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userpelmetman
Posted: 23 June 2020 8:06 AM
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Barryd999 - 2020-06-22 3:20 PM

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 6:35 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.


Yep......and it was overturned .......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry .......



That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/official-eu-remain-campaign-and-lib-dems-fined-thousands-by-election-watchdogs

Yeah.......do try and keep up .........

userBarryd999
Posted: 23 June 2020 9:49 AM
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pelmetman - 2020-06-23 8:06 AM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-22 3:20 PM

pelmetman - 2020-06-21 6:35 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-06-21 6:28 PM

Vote Leave broke the law and was prosecuted and fined. Fact. So that is not an opinion. Its a thing. It actually happened. The fact that the referendum was not overturned was because it was not legally binding anyway. Had it been then it might have been a different story.


Yep......and it was overturned .......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-appeal-darren-grimes-eu-referendum-spending-rules-vote-leave-a9012981.html

Do try and keep up Dreary Deidre,......aka Loser Barry .......



That was one persons appeal for his involvement. Vote leave still broke the law and were fined £61000. Please try and keep up.


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/official-eu-remain-campaign-and-lib-dems-fined-thousands-by-election-watchdogs

Yeah.......do try and keep up .........



They didnt break the law though. They got fined by the electoral commission for a crappy filing system. Not enough receipts or incomplete records on a few accounts.
userHarveyHeaven
Posted: 24 June 2020 9:53 AM
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OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!
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Posted: 24 June 2020 2:55 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.
userjumpstart
Posted: 24 June 2020 3:07 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 9:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


The massive unicorn staring us in the face is the over bureaucratic EU. If you think it is all going swimmingly in the EU ,you clearly haven’t been paying attention to the news.
userBulletguy
Posted: 24 June 2020 3:20 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?
userNicepix
Posted: 24 June 2020 3:20 PM
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Yes, but apart from them not agreeing a budget after three or was it four, days of meetings. And the total side lining of Brussels whilst every country did their own thing regards COVID-19 many breaking EU rules in the process, France and Italy fighting over medical supplies, Greek coastguards taking the engines off refugee's boats and then towing them back into Turkish waters, Germany breaking EU fiscal rules and their Parliament publicly stating that EU laws do not supersede German laws despite the Treaties saying otherwise, Hungary blatantly breaking any rules they see fit, Poland likewise whilst the Czech PM appears to be using EU funding to subsidise his own companies and Macron stating that he will give massive state aid to save Renault from bankruptcy, despite that breaking EU fair play rules, things are going swimmingly in the EU.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 3:43 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show." Again a direct quote. You appear to be making an assumption because Statistica says:

"The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom is expected to reach ten percent in the second quarter of 2020, following the outbreak of coronavirus and the closure of several businesses due to social distancing measures. Should the full lockdown end after three months, then unemployment is expected to gradually fall throughout late 2020 and 2021. "

This appears to show a different and totally understandable cause of the rise in unemployment and nothing to do with your allegations.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107870/uk-unemployment-forecast/

No two countries are reporting the COVID-19 deaths or infections the same. They are all using different criteria. So at the present time you cannot draw conclusions as to who has done it better or worse. The FT report you posted on Page 1 says as much. Death rates in countries reporting low COVID-19 cases are much higher than normal suggesting that many deaths that may be COVID-19 related have not been recorded as such.

Get the whole facts, not just the ones that support your opinions.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 4:27 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:43 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-06-24 4:20 PM

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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.
2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 6:02 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.
2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.


In your opinion. That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You see, unlike you I don't believe that the UK Government has only two things on their agenda. According to your posts they are pre-occupied with COVID-19 and Brexit, nothing else. I would suggest that they might also be keeping their eye on security issues in the Middle East, Far East, South America and Ireland for example. They might have their eye on other matters; generation of electricity, pollution, the environment and other issues.

Governments also have a duty to consider wider issues than the obvious. What you are making your allegations on are based purely on the medical advice given to Government. But the Government also have to consider the wider issues such as employment, financial, law and order, public safety, etc. If the Government had acted purely on medical advice and acted purely on that it could have created even more problems for the public at large. We already saw panic buying and other anti-social behaviour. That could have been a lot worse if the Government had gone into full lock down earlier. It also could have over loaded the NHS and resulted in more medical staff being affected. It could have resulted in localised shortages of food and medicines on a much larger scale than happened creating more problems for the vulnerable. These things need a structured approach based n a wider view.

All you see is something to beat Johnson and Cummins with.
userBulletguy
Posted: 24 June 2020 6:58 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.
2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.


In your opinion. That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 7:35 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.
2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.


In your opinion. That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.


No. I asked you what point that you were making from the jobless figures and you claimed it showed that Johnson had mis-managed the COVID-19 situation. You made that link. Nobody else and I have not seen it documented elsewhere.

You have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence of the things that you claim and you have repeatedly avoided answering the questions, and you still cannot provide answers. Your stance has shifted only because you cannot justify your initial allegations so you are changing track and trying to prove something else instead.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 7:41 PM
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Nicepix - 2020-06-24 3:20 PM

Yes, but apart from them not agreeing a budget after three or was it four, days of meetings. And the total side lining of Brussels whilst every country did their own thing regards COVID-19 many breaking EU rules in the process, France and Italy fighting over medical supplies, Greek coastguards taking the engines off refugee's boats and then towing them back into Turkish waters, Germany breaking EU fiscal rules and their Parliament publicly stating that EU laws do not supersede German laws despite the Treaties saying otherwise, Hungary blatantly breaking any rules they see fit, Poland likewise whilst the Czech PM appears to be using EU funding to subsidise his own companies and Macron stating that he will give massive state aid to save Renault from bankruptcy, despite that breaking EU fair play rules, things are going swimmingly in the EU.


Summed up perfectly.
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Posted: 24 June 2020 10:03 PM
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 10:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


You seem to have overlooked that the author of this thread alleges that half a million jobs has been lost through Boris Johnson mis-handling the COVID-19 situation. Yet several days in we still haven't seen any evidence from the OP to support that claim. We are supposed to imagine it or look for facts that don't exist. Perhaps you are the ideal person to present this evidence given that you claim to have seen it. I am not holding my breath though.

We've gone round in circles on this. The evidence of mis-handling has been staring you in the face the past three months as our figures rose to become the second highest in the world and only recently been knocked down into third place after Brazil. I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. But you ignore that and continually attempt to conflate the reported fact of lost jobs with my opinion that lockdown wasn't early enough and has been poor managed. If you think it's been managed brilliantly then perhaps you can inform how a country with a comparable population to UK has just 3000 Covid cases and 58 fatalities whilst we have 306,210 cases and 42,927 deaths?


Once again;

1) You said " I've already stated there is no 'allegation' of half a million jobs lost during lockdown due to Covid as that is an ONS fact and linked. " That is a direct quote from you taken from your post above.

2) The number of jobless is a fact. OK. Now explain how this is linked to your allegation made on Page 1 : "Our lockdown wasn't early enough and been poorly managed from the outset as the results clearly show."

1) Which according to ONS it is a fact and if you read the linked article you'd note i quoted it verbatim.
2) It actually states "The ONS found that the number of UK workers on payrolls fell by more than 600,000 between March and May as the coronavirus crisis took its toll on the UK economy."

So in my opinion had lockdown been earlier and much better managed those job losses could have been avoided or at the very least, minimised. I would have thought that to be obvious.


In your opinion. That opinion seems to precede facts not follow them. At least you now admit that there is no evidence to support your allegations so at least we can take some comfort from that and we can understand why you were unable to find the evidence to support your allegation.

You conflate fact, the article report, with expressing an opinion which i said last week, one which i stand by as it's become more apparent with time that lockdown was not called early enough, neither has it been well managed and i've seen nothing to show the opposite. Johnson dithered and dallied, told everyone it's just flu, boasted about shaking hands with Covid victims, only to end up in hospital himself. As for an earlier lockdown affecting medical staff, government had been warned three years back about insufficient PPE stocks but chose to ignore.

Johnson doesn't need 'beating' from anyone as he does a good job of that himself each time he's let loose, hence the reason he's rarely been seen since emerging from hospital.


No. I asked you what point that you were making from the jobless figures and you claimed it showed that Johnson had mis-managed the COVID-19 situation. You made that link. Nobody else and I have not seen it documented elsewhere.

You have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence of the things that you claim and you have repeatedly avoided answering the questions, and you still cannot provide answers. Your stance has shifted only because you cannot justify your initial allegations so you are changing track and trying to prove something else instead.

And as i said in the preceding post i still stand by that. Johnson has mis-managed the Covid outbreak and the stats for such a small country are horrendous. As for changing track that was you when asked for countries i though had handled it better. I gave you links so you could see for yourself, but then you changed track once again to then wanting data on job losses. Outside of UK that was a pretty ludicrous, and pointless expectation, as why would anyone in UK want to know job losses due to Covid in another country?
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-06-24 9:53 AM

OMG....DOH!!! you can't seem to read the facts presented...but then anyone gullible enough to be taken in by Fascists Cummings and Johnson would be unable to relate to facts or evidence. So you have to carry on believing the unbeliveable despite all the evience to the contrary...cognitive dissonance is a psychological problem all Brexiters have to contend with therefore you have to keep repeating the same message to yourselves and everyone else that the lies you've been told and believed all this time are really the truth....that will go on...Brexiters simply cannot face the reality of their mistake they do not have the psycholigical or emotional strength to do so. Brexiters are simply stuck in Brexit land despite the massive unicorns staring them in the face!!!!


I see no Unicorns ...........

Just bitter and twisted Losers .........

5 days until No Way Back Day ..........

191 days until Gloaty McGloatface Day .........
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Posted: 30 June 2020 7:49 PM
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