Bulletguy Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Boris has pledged to give it to higher income earners instead. Poland does the opposite and exempts their low income earners from tax. That's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 6:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Boris has pledged to give it to higher income earners instead. Poland does the opposite and exempts their low income earners from tax. That's the difference. The difference is they have 8 billion of OUR money to give away *-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bulletguy Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:57 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 6:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Boris has pledged to give it to higher income earners instead. Poland does the opposite and exempts their low income earners from tax. That's the difference. The difference is they have 8 billion of OUR money to give away *-) ......... Absolute tosh. Show where Poland received £8 billion of "our money". You really do spout utter drivel and codswallop. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 7:25 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:57 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 6:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Boris has pledged to give it to higher income earners instead. Poland does the opposite and exempts their low income earners from tax. That's the difference. The difference is they have 8 billion of OUR money to give away *-) ......... Absolute tosh. Show where Poland received £8 billion of "our money". You really do spout utter drivel and codswallop. *-) The UK gave 9 billion (net) to the EU last year ;-) ...........Or are you saying we didn't? >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-31 7:25 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 7:25 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:57 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 6:54 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-30 6:38 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-30 2:24 PM As from August 1st all Polish workers under the age of 26 who earn less than 85,528 Polish zloty (£18,243) a year will be exempt from the country's 18% income tax. The allowance is generous, considering the average Polish salary stands at just below 60,000 zloty (£12,800) a year. The government said 2 million people will qualify for the benefit. Even if the policy doesn't work as intended, Polish people might reconsider their British futures. The slump in the value of the pound following the Brexit referendum in 2016 has made working in the UK much less attractive. The atmosphere has soured too. The debate around Brexit was centered around immigration and police statistics showed that reported hate crimes against immigrants spiked after the referendum. Confusion around Brexit and the country's future migration policy is already pushing people away. Statistics show there are now more Polish people leaving the UK than arriving. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/30/europe/poland-income-tax-youths-intl/index.html Meantime UK hands tax breaks to high income earners costing £9.6 billion the proles will have to pay for. *-) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html If we received 8 billion (net) from the EU we'd be able to reduce the tax bill for millions to *-) ........... Boris has pledged to give it to higher income earners instead. Poland does the opposite and exempts their low income earners from tax. That's the difference. The difference is they have 8 billion of OUR money to give away *-) ......... Absolute tosh. Show where Poland received £8 billion of "our money". You really do spout utter drivel and codswallop. *-) The UK gave 9 billion (net) to the EU last year ;-) ...........Or are you saying we didn't? >:-) ......... NOT Poland which was what you implied. You've skewed basic facts to obfuscate and deflect in your desire to pursue a silly narrative. All contribs are based on a countries GNI hence the reason Germany pay double the amount UK does (i never see you complaining about us paying less than them though). Poland pays a lower amount because their GNI is less than UK. UK is the worlds fifth wealthiest nation......Poland is 31st; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth So back to facts......the worlds fifth wealthiest nation gives tax breaks to it's high income earners at cost to the lower paid, where Poland (31st in world wealth) gives a tax exemption to it's low income earners. What part of that do you find so difficult to agree Poland is actually treating it's low income earners decently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-31 10:33 AM [so back to facts......the worlds fifth wealthiest nation gives tax breaks to it's high income earners at cost to the lower paid, where Poland (31st in world wealth) gives a tax exemption to it's low income earners. What part of that do you find so difficult to agree Poland is actually treating it's low income earners decently? The Polish average wage is £12,800 you say, in the UK this would attract an income tax of £60 a year, which is considerably less than would be paid in Poland! In 2017 there was an EU report into Polish income tax, it's findings where that there was an "Alarming" amount of income tax on the poor, This measure will help those under 26, but as soon as they are over 26 they will be hit by some of the highest taxes in Europe for the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Your facts are better than bulletlies facts Colin. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 colin - 2019-07-31 12:57 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-31 10:33 AM [so back to facts......the worlds fifth wealthiest nation gives tax breaks to it's high income earners at cost to the lower paid, where Poland (31st in world wealth) gives a tax exemption to it's low income earners. What part of that do you find so difficult to agree Poland is actually treating it's low income earners decently? The Polish average wage is £12,800 you say, in the UK this would attract an income tax of £60 a year, which is considerably less than would be paid in Poland! In 2017 there was an EU report into Polish income tax, it's findings where that there was an "Alarming" amount of income tax on the poor, This measure will help those under 26, but as soon as they are over 26 they will be hit by some of the highest taxes in Europe for the poor. Not what "i say" Colin but what a number of msm reports have and yes i was aware it was for those under 26 and on low income as i've pointed that out a few times. The draft legislation now needs to be passed by Polish lawmakers, which is expected to happen given the ruling Law and Justice party’s majority in parliament. Don't you at least feel that exempting low income earners is a move to be applauded rather than criticised? Is it not shameful the worlds fifth wealthiest nation cannot do the same instead of handing tax cuts to the wealthy? https://emerging-europe.com/news/poland-to-exempt-the-young-from-paying-income-tax/ https://www.activpayroll.com/news-articles/poland-exempts-young-workers-from-income-tax Here are the current tax rates; https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2011/12/poland-income-tax.html Here is just a 'snapshot' example of how tax works differently in Poland. Vehicle owners pay no VED like we do here in UK. Their tax is on the fuel so those who drive 500 miles a week pay more than the person driving 500 miles a month. Seems pretty fair to me. And their pump price is lower than UK fuel. I will find you the price i was paying last year and post later if you want to know the figure. Even Germany was lower pump price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-31 1:27 PM colin - 2019-07-31 12:57 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-31 10:33 AM [so back to facts......the worlds fifth wealthiest nation gives tax breaks to it's high income earners at cost to the lower paid, where Poland (31st in world wealth) gives a tax exemption to it's low income earners. What part of that do you find so difficult to agree Poland is actually treating it's low income earners decently? The Polish average wage is £12,800 you say, in the UK this would attract an income tax of £60 a year, which is considerably less than would be paid in Poland! In 2017 there was an EU report into Polish income tax, it's findings where that there was an "Alarming" amount of income tax on the poor, This measure will help those under 26, but as soon as they are over 26 they will be hit by some of the highest taxes in Europe for the poor. Not what "i say" Colin but what a number of msm reports have and yes i was aware it was for those under 26 and on low income as i've pointed that out a few times. The draft legislation now needs to be passed by Polish lawmakers, which is expected to happen given the ruling Law and Justice party’s majority in parliament. Don't you at least feel that exempting low income earners is a move to be applauded rather than criticised? Is it not shameful the worlds fifth wealthiest nation cannot do the same instead of handing tax cuts to the wealthy? https://emerging-europe.com/news/poland-to-exempt-the-young-from-paying-income-tax/ https://www.activpayroll.com/news-articles/poland-exempts-young-workers-from-income-tax Here are the current tax rates; https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2011/12/poland-income-tax.html Here is just a 'snapshot' example of how tax works differently in Poland. Vehicle owners pay no VED like we do here in UK. Their tax is on the fuel so those who drive 500 miles a week pay more than the person driving 500 miles a month. Seems pretty fair to me. And their pump price is lower than UK fuel. I will find you the price i was paying last year and post later if you want to know the figure. Even Germany was lower pump price. I'm not sure on present rates, but as of 2017, poles started paying tax at 1,517Euro per year, the poor in Poland are taxed at a rate which could be described as nothing less than despicable, no UK government would ever be so cold hearted. Yes they have a totally different tax regime, and those under 26 will be fine, but once they are over 26 and starting to settle down and think of having a family they will be paying income tax on every single zloty they earn above subsistence rates. They have attracted criticism from the European Commission about this, which as far as I can see is the only reason they have introduced the small allowances they have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Out of interest I checked on National Insurance, in the UK when you go over the allowance you pay (class 1) 12% up to £50,000 a year then it's 2%, before you start on how the rich get off on higher rates, the Polish equivalent is 17% on all wages up to £30,000 then it's zero over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 747 - 2019-07-31 1:00 PM Your facts are better than bulletlies facts Colin. :D Bullet doesn't like reality ;-) ....... That's why he votes for Corbyn :D ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 colin - 2019-07-31 3:04 PM Out of interest I checked on National Insurance, in the UK when you go over the allowance you pay (class 1) 12% up to £50,000 a year then it's 2%, before you start on how the rich get off on higher rates, the Polish equivalent is 17% on all wages up to £30,000 then it's zero over that. 8-) ...........and that's a country that Bullet uses to slag off Tory's?????????? (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... I doubt many Poles will actually be leaving the UK despite their protestations........except perhaps to go to another EU country :D ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 To be fair, I do hold BG to higher standards than some other posters, maybe a little unkind, and when we descend to the punch and judy show on some threads I usually can't be bothered with posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 colin - 2019-07-31 3:48 PM To be fair, I do hold BG to higher standards than some other posters, maybe a little unkind, and when we descend to the punch and judy show on some threads I usually can't be bothered with posting. That's the way to do it :D ........said in a squeaky voice (lol) ......... Perhaps when I grow up I'll become a responsible adult? :-S ....... Hmmm.......61 years and counting 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-31 4:02 PM Perhaps when I grow up I'll become a responsible adult? :-S ....... I'll not be holding my breath on that one, but you did once give what I consider some 'sage advice', I now pay no income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 colin - 2019-07-31 4:14 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-31 4:02 PM Perhaps when I grow up I'll become a responsible adult? :-S ....... I'll not be holding my breath on that one, but you did once give what I consider some 'sage advice', I now pay no income tax. :D ......... B-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 colin - 2019-07-31 3:04 PM Out of interest I checked on National Insurance, in the UK when you go over the allowance you pay (class 1) 12% up to £50,000 a year then it's 2%, before you start on how the rich get off on higher rates, the Polish equivalent is 17% on all wages up to £30,000 then it's zero over that. I think according to the link i posted it's 18%. However the point i'd been trying to make from the outset was i think it admirable a government look firstly to it less well off whereas here they're largely ignored, some slipping through the safety net altogether. That the Polish government exempted and not just lowered the tax, i think is more than a step in the right direction. I have family who were higher rate tax payers (until retirement) though my son also was when in the forces...he isn't now. On tax breaks they openly said, whilst very nice, they never actually needed it. My cousins husband who was earning a six figure salary once said to me, "crazy isn't it...i now get paid silly money for actually doing less work than i ever did before". Anyway, i digress. Poverty in Poland? For sure, but how to define it? It's not that easy particularly when never having lived there. During my travels there i've met many Polish undoubtedly "comfortable", one family i got to know very well who run a huge campsite....quite surprised when i eventually found it was owned by them so God knows how much Robert and his family are worth. He drives a new(ish) BMW X5 and they have a 6 berth motorhome which only gets used out of season after they close the campground down for winter. This opinion piece from a Polish citizen to the question, "Is Poland a very poor country?" gives a fairly balanced answer. Though i have to disagree with the quote on the bottom photo, "this is what Poland looks like for most Polish people". You actually have to search pretty hard to find communist era tower blocks like that with the paint schemes. https://www.quora.com/Is-Poland-a-very-poor-country Pump fuel prices can vary by a few cent from station to station just as UK but last year i was paying 4.95 zloty (£1.05) per litre of diesel. Before leaving UK i tanked up at my local Morrison....the cheapest pump price, and paid £1.28 per litre. That difference in Poland soon adds up when sticking full tanks of 80 litres in! But interestingly their pump price has remained pretty much around the same for the past six or eight years now, and remember, for them that includes their VED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-08-01 12:06 AM colin - 2019-07-31 3:04 PM Out of interest I checked on National Insurance, in the UK when you go over the allowance you pay (class 1) 12% up to £50,000 a year then it's 2%, before you start on how the rich get off on higher rates, the Polish equivalent is 17% on all wages up to £30,000 then it's zero over that. I think according to the link i posted it's 18%. However the point i'd been trying to make from the outset was i think it admirable a government look firstly to it less well off whereas here they're largely ignored, some slipping through the safety net altogether. That the Polish government exempted and not just lowered the tax, i think is more than a step in the right direction. The point is Poland has had a far more draconian tax regime for the low paid than the UK for years ;-) ......... They can only afford to take that step in the right direction, because they are net receivers from the EU of 8 billion pounds a year of OUR money *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-08-01 8:18 AM Bulletguy - 2019-08-01 12:06 AM colin - 2019-07-31 3:04 PM Out of interest I checked on National Insurance, in the UK when you go over the allowance you pay (class 1) 12% up to £50,000 a year then it's 2%, before you start on how the rich get off on higher rates, the Polish equivalent is 17% on all wages up to £30,000 then it's zero over that. I think according to the link i posted it's 18%. However the point i'd been trying to make from the outset was i think it admirable a government look firstly to it less well off whereas here they're largely ignored, some slipping through the safety net altogether. That the Polish government exempted and not just lowered the tax, i think is more than a step in the right direction. The point is Poland has had a far more draconian tax regime for the low paid than the UK for years ;-) ......... They can only afford to take that step in the right direction, because they are net receivers from the EU of 8 billion pounds a year of OUR money *-) ........... 1) Perhaps you'd care to share your insight into the Polish tax system with something a bit more credible than a comment based on conjecture? I'm sure we'd all be fascinated. The best i can offer is from links as i've no working knowledge of our own tax system, let alone that of another country, so i look forward to reading something a little more substantial from you. 2) Pelmet you've got this hopelessly wrong. Poland do not receive £8bn of "our money from the EU". Contributors and net receivers are spread around 28 countries.....funds do not flow solely from one country to another! If this is what you thought, then i can see why it was easy to persuade you to vote Brexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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