Bulletguy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 He is a good speaker, pity there is no fecker there to listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 How crass are you Remoaners *-) ........... To try to link the death of a criminal to the fight for democracy :-| ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 It was indeed a powerful and clearly heart-felt speech - but flawed in it's logic. "Socialism in one country doesn't work", he said. But it doesn't follow, as he was trying to claim as a consequence, because he believes in the socialist dream, that socialism works in 28 countries either. The EU is fairly clearly in the process of going pear shaped and Brexit probably offers the UK an opportunity to leave the sinking ship. Theresa May's Deal may not be ideal, indeed it may not even be very good, I don't know enough to judge that, but there seems to be a consensus that Theresa's Deal is far better than No Deal, if we are still determined that the UK should leave the EU. Unfortunately the Labour Opposition are not offering a constructive alternative to Theresa May's Deal at all, they are merely taking the opportunity of the prevailing political chaos to ask for another opportunity for their uncertain and conflicting versions of the socialist dream. Jeremy Corbyn clearly wants Brexit too, regardless of the widespread wish to remain among Labour supporters - but he wants an opportunity to govern much more so he will sacrifice Brexit to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Much more powerful speech here ... https://brexitcentral.com/leaving-eu-wto-terms-will-make-businesses-competitive-innovative/ ... "The IMF estimate that 90% of global growth in the next 10-15years is likely to come from outside the EU" ... The world is our oyster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-01-13 11:56 AM Much more powerful speech here ... https://brexitcentral.com/leaving-eu-wto-terms-will-make-businesses-competitive-innovative/ ... "The IMF estimate that 90% of global growth in the next 10-15years is likely to come from outside the EU" ... The world is our oyster Brexit Central! Oh Pleeeeeze! If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? Come on Antony. Even most Brexiteers have given up on this trade deal nonsense and any hope of us being better off post Brexit unless your Tim not so nice but Dim Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-13 1:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Well it would make sense for the EU to set up its trading bloc to be beneficial to its members Dave wouldnt it? Or did you actually mean beneficial to this mythical being that you seem to have in your head? A big blue and gold Monster? The EU is us, France, Germany etc. As for the populist band wagon its got more to do with far right nut jobs jumping on stuff like the Migrant crisis rather than membership of the EU. Its happened time and time again throughout history and it never ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-13 1:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Well it would make sense for the EU to set up its trading bloc to be beneficial to its members Dave wouldnt it? Or did you actually mean beneficial to this mythical being that you seem to have in your head? A big blue and gold Monster? The EU is us, France, Germany etc. As for the populist band wagon its got more to do with far right nut jobs jumping on stuff like the Migrant crisis rather than membership of the EU. Its happened time and time again throughout history and it never ends well. You keep dreaming Barry ... If populism is rising because of "stuff like the migrant crisis" rather than EU membership as you claim why is populism rising in countries with hardly any of those migrant types in em like Poland , Czech Republic , Hungary etc etc ... Nice to see that rag EU flag getting burnt and stamped on in riot torn France yesterday by the way ... Populism is rising because of numerous reasons and like it or not the EU is one of those reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-13 1:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Well it would make sense for the EU to set up its trading bloc to be beneficial to its members Dave wouldnt it? . Like I said the EU is beneficial to its self *-) .......... It's more than evident "our" job is to supply the dosh and be a receptacle for their dross :-| ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 2:34 PM As for the populist band wagon its got more to do with far right nut jobs jumping on stuff like the Migrant crisis rather than membership of the EU. Its happened time and time again throughout history and it never ends well. Yep.....that's me :D .......a far right nut job B-) .......... There's a lot of us about nowadays (lol) ........ Looks to me like there's an empire on the wain because of us >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-01-13 3:09 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-13 1:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Well it would make sense for the EU to set up its trading bloc to be beneficial to its members Dave wouldnt it? Or did you actually mean beneficial to this mythical being that you seem to have in your head? A big blue and gold Monster? The EU is us, France, Germany etc. As for the populist band wagon its got more to do with far right nut jobs jumping on stuff like the Migrant crisis rather than membership of the EU. Its happened time and time again throughout history and it never ends well. You keep dreaming Barry ... If populism is rising because of "stuff like the migrant crisis" rather than EU membership as you claim why is populism rising in countries with hardly any of those migrant types in em like Poland , Czech Republic , Hungary etc etc ... Nice to see that rag EU flag getting burnt and stamped on in riot torn France yesterday by the way ... Populism is rising because of numerous reasons and like it or not the EU is one of those reasons Because thats how it starts, countries like Germany etc that opened the flood gates sparked it off and it spreads. The far right extremists have just used it as a spring board. Burning and stomping on EU Flags in western Europe like we are in some kind of dictatorship in "Bongo Bongo land" *-) FFS! Yeah because life has been made so intolerable for European citizens because of the EU. Even you mate in Italy has said he has no intention of leaving the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 5:21 PM Even you mate in Italy has said he has no intention of leaving the EU. Yeah......he's young......he thinks he can change the EU *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 5:21 PM antony1969 - 2019-01-13 3:09 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 2:34 PM pelmetman - 2019-01-13 1:14 PM Barryd999 - 2019-01-13 12:54 PM If being alone on WTO rules and the only country in the entire world that will be trading on WTO only is so brilliant then why is the rest of the world setting up single market trading blocs which are growing all the time with the EU Single market being the biggest and the envy of the world? The difference being they're setting them up to be mutually beneficial to the two countries involved.........where as the EU sets them up to be mutually beneficial to the EU *-) .......... Besides if the EU was so wonderful why are so many EU citizens jumping on the populists band wagon? >:-) ....... Well it would make sense for the EU to set up its trading bloc to be beneficial to its members Dave wouldnt it? Or did you actually mean beneficial to this mythical being that you seem to have in your head? A big blue and gold Monster? The EU is us, France, Germany etc. As for the populist band wagon its got more to do with far right nut jobs jumping on stuff like the Migrant crisis rather than membership of the EU. Its happened time and time again throughout history and it never ends well. You keep dreaming Barry ... If populism is rising because of "stuff like the migrant crisis" rather than EU membership as you claim why is populism rising in countries with hardly any of those migrant types in em like Poland , Czech Republic , Hungary etc etc ... Nice to see that rag EU flag getting burnt and stamped on in riot torn France yesterday by the way ... Populism is rising because of numerous reasons and like it or not the EU is one of those reasons Because thats how it starts, countries like Germany etc that opened the flood gates sparked it off and it spreads. The far right extremists have just used it as a spring board. Burning and stomping on EU Flags in western Europe like we are in some kind of dictatorship in "Bongo Bongo land" *-) FFS! Yeah because life has been made so intolerable for European citizens because of the EU. Even you mate in Italy has said he has no intention of leaving the EU. Princess I think you really need to read up on Mr Salvini and his views on the EU ... The EU would no way reform to the liking of Salvini ... https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/09/italy-s-salvini-goes-to-poland-for-discussions-on-eurosceptic-alliance "overhaul the EU institutions from within" is what he would like but like PM Camerons last desperate attempt showed they will not ... Bye bye the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 StuartO - 2019-01-13 9:10 AM It was indeed a powerful and clearly heart-felt speech - but flawed in it's logic. "Socialism in one country doesn't work", he said. But it doesn't follow, as he was trying to claim as a consequence, because he believes in the socialist dream, that socialism works in 28 countries either. The EU is fairly clearly in the process of going pear shaped and Brexit probably offers the UK an opportunity to leave the sinking ship. Theresa May's Deal may not be ideal, indeed it may not even be very good, I don't know enough to judge that, but there seems to be a consensus that Theresa's Deal is far better than No Deal, if we are still determined that the UK should leave the EU. Unfortunately the Labour Opposition are not offering a constructive alternative to Theresa May's Deal at all, they are merely taking the opportunity of the prevailing political chaos to ask for another opportunity for their uncertain and conflicting versions of the socialist dream. Jeremy Corbyn clearly wants Brexit too, regardless of the widespread wish to remain among Labour supporters - but he wants an opportunity to govern much more so he will sacrifice Brexit to get it. Apart from his slip on Churchill i'd say he'd got everything else spot on. His comment that "socialism confined to one country will not work" is right and if you followed the rest of his speech he went on to say, " the world we live in is global and we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border-lines". I don't see anything to indicate the EU going 'pear shaped' at all, in fact the absolute opposite as their economy has grown whilst ours continues to plummet into the abyss. May of course boldly announced at the Tory conference, "austerity is at an end". Haven't seen any evidence of that...have you? Once again, the total opposite. $800 billion worth of banking, previously based in London has now shipped out of UK over to Frankfurt due to Brexit. The automotive industry announced moves to EU in order to continue frictionless movement necessary to maintain production. Along with this goes thousands of job losses yet for some peculiar reason, Brexiters are still hell bent on wreaking further damage. Imagine for a moment Stuart you are one of those car workers whose been told this week your job is on the line. Your wife who works in banking is also among those to lose her job. You have three children you had hoped to be able to see through university and a hefty mortgage to pay. Both cars are also on finance so those are the first to go and your house will quickly need to follow. Neither of you have had any alternative job offers......where are you going to go? These are the harsh realities which some people will now find themselves facing some of whom may even have voted Brexit themselves......but now regretting and realising how they've been misled. I agree Corbyn has always been a closet Brexiteer but moreover (imo) lacks the leadership qualities which Lammy displays. Corbyn is a knowledgeable politician but that alone isn't enough to make a good leader. He lacks assertiveness (i think by nature) and misses many occasions to go on the attack with May. Lammy is the type who would and he's made very powerful speeches before which rattled more than a few on the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-13 5:52 PM StuartO - 2019-01-13 9:10 AM It was indeed a powerful and clearly heart-felt speech - but flawed in it's logic. "Socialism in one country doesn't work", he said. But it doesn't follow, as he was trying to claim as a consequence, because he believes in the socialist dream, that socialism works in 28 countries either. The EU is fairly clearly in the process of going pear shaped and Brexit probably offers the UK an opportunity to leave the sinking ship. Theresa May's Deal may not be ideal, indeed it may not even be very good, I don't know enough to judge that, but there seems to be a consensus that Theresa's Deal is far better than No Deal, if we are still determined that the UK should leave the EU. Unfortunately the Labour Opposition are not offering a constructive alternative to Theresa May's Deal at all, they are merely taking the opportunity of the prevailing political chaos to ask for another opportunity for their uncertain and conflicting versions of the socialist dream. Jeremy Corbyn clearly wants Brexit too, regardless of the widespread wish to remain among Labour supporters - but he wants an opportunity to govern much more so he will sacrifice Brexit to get it. Apart from his slip on Churchill i'd say he'd got everything else spot on. His comment that "socialism confined to one country will not work" is right and if you followed the rest of his speech he went on to say, " the world we live in is global and we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border-lines". I don't see anything to indicate the EU going 'pear shaped' at all, in fact the absolute opposite as their economy has grown whilst ours continues to plummet into the abyss. May of course boldly announced at the Tory conference, "austerity is at an end". Haven't seen any evidence of that...have you? Once again, the total opposite. $800 billion worth of banking, previously based in London has now shipped out of UK over to Frankfurt due to Brexit. The automotive industry announced moves to EU in order to continue frictionless movement necessary to maintain production. Along with this goes thousands of job losses yet for some peculiar reason, Brexiters are still hell bent on wreaking further damage. Imagine for a moment Stuart you are one of those car workers whose been told this week your job is on the line. Your wife who works in banking is also among those to lose her job. You have three children you had hoped to be able to see through university and a hefty mortgage to pay. Both cars are also on finance so those are the first to go and your house will quickly need to follow. Neither of you have had any alternative job offers......where are you going to go? These are the harsh realities which some people will now find themselves facing some of whom may even have voted Brexit themselves......but now regretting and realising how they've been misled. I agree Corbyn has always been a closet Brexiteer but moreover (imo) lacks the leadership qualities which Lammy displays. Corbyn is a knowledgeable politician but that alone isn't enough to make a good leader. He lacks assertiveness (i think by nature) and misses many occasions to go on the attack with May. Lammy is the type who would and he's made very powerful speeches before which rattled more than a few on the opposition. Everyone ... Corbyn apparently "lacks the leadership qualities which LAMMY displays" ... Ive just p!$$ed myself ... The old tools gone total Stan and Ollie ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The man who could be Liebour leader according to Ollie ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Family Income Support was the same. It's mere pedantry over 'in-work' tax credit payments. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-15 8:21 PM Family Income Support was the same. It's mere pedantry over 'in-work' tax credit payments. *-) Lordy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-01-13 11:56 AM Much more powerful speech here ... https://brexitcentral.com/leaving-eu-wto-terms-will-make-businesses-competitive-innovative/ ... "The IMF estimate that 90% of global growth in the next 10-15years is likely to come from outside the EU" ... The world is our oyster But, that is a rather misleading statistic. 90% of global growth is, of course, a forecast. How could you Antony? I mean, a forecast! :-D But, seriously, what is it based on? Emerging markets will always tend to grow faster than mature markets, they start from lower, so they rise faster. That doesn't make it sensible to reject a large, wealthy, mature market on one's doorstep, merely to cultivate ties with the emerging markets - which will, by their nature, be more volatile than the mature markets. Better by far to remain close to the mature market, even more so if one trades with the mature market tariff free. The mature market provides the bread and butter, and the emerging markets can then provide the cherries on the cake as and where they generate growth. Nothing presently stops the UK from doing this. There is no legal restraint on it. Germany does it far more successfully from within the EU than the UK, by a factor of, if I remember, about 10. Why? We do not need trade deals to trade, as some seem to think. The EU does not prevent external trade, only the conclusion of trade deals by one EU member that could place other EU states at an unfair disadvantage within the single market. Our problem, which has been the case since well before we joined the EU, is that we import much more than we export, and we have low productivity. We were, and we remain, a high cost - low wage economy with poor productivity. If we fixed the productivity problem, mainly attributable to low investment levels, we could begin to reverse that long established trend. Instead of investing, our industrialists have traditionally sought to import labour as a cheap fix. When they no longer need the labour, they are laid off - which means handed over to the state to pay for. It used to be called "hire and fire", and underlies much of the labour relations problems that gave rise to belligerent unionisation. But, once here, those migrants tend to stay, swelling our population and increasing demands on housing, the NHS, education, infrastructure etc. etc. Since the 2008 crash our governments have not increased spending on these functions to match the increase in population, so housing has become expensive and services and infrastructure have deteriorated. They have, instead, used the additional tax take from the migrants to try to pay down the cost of bailing out the banks in preference to increasing taxation for the same end. In short, our problem is, as ever, economic short termism. People prefer to suspend their intelligence and vote for whatever manifesto they think will be cheapest for them tomorrow, and then moan when cheapest doesn't turn out to be best. But, these are the same people whose short sighted wishes we must all bow to in the name of democracy. Phooey! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 9:07 PM antony1969 - 2019-01-13 11:56 AM Much more powerful speech here ... https://brexitcentral.com/leaving-eu-wto-terms-will-make-businesses-competitive-innovative/ ... "The IMF estimate that 90% of global growth in the next 10-15years is likely to come from outside the EU" ... The world is our oyster But, that is a rather misleading statistic. 90% of global growth is, of course, a forecast. How could you Antony? I mean, a forecast! :-D But, seriously, what is it based on? Emerging markets will always tend to grow faster than mature markets, they start from lower, so they rise faster. That doesn't make it sensible to reject a large, wealthy, mature market on one's doorstep, merely to cultivate ties with the emerging markets - which will, by their nature, be more volatile than the mature markets. Better by far to remain close to the mature market, even more so if one trades with the mature market tariff free. The mature market provides the bread and butter, and the emerging markets can then provide the cherries on the cake as and where they generate growth. Nothing presently stops the UK from doing this. There is no legal restraint on it. Germany does it far more successfully from within the EU than the UK, by a factor of, if I remember, about 10. Why? We do not need trade deals to trade, as some seem to think. The EU does not prevent external trade, only the conclusion of trade deals by one EU member that could place other EU states at an unfair disadvantage within the single market. Our problem, which has been the case since well before we joined the EU, is that we import much more than we export, and we have low productivity. We were, and we remain, a high cost - low wage economy with poor productivity. If we fixed the productivity problem, mainly attributable to low investment levels, we could begin to reverse that long established trend. Instead of investing, our industrialists have traditionally sought to import labour as a cheap fix. When they no longer need the labour, they are laid off - which means handed over to the state to pay for. It used to be called "hire and fire", and underlies much of the labour relations problems that gave rise to belligerent unionisation. But, once here, those migrants tend to stay, swelling our population and increasing demands on housing, the NHS, education, infrastructure etc. etc. Since the 2008 crash our governments have not increased spending on these functions to match the increase in population, so housing has become expensive and services and infrastructure have deteriorated. They have, instead, used the additional tax take from the migrants to try to pay down the cost of bailing out the banks in preference to increasing taxation for the same end. In short, our problem is, as ever, economic short termism. People prefer to suspend their intelligence and vote for whatever manifesto they think will be cheapest for them tomorrow, and then moan when cheapest doesn't turn out to be best. But, these are the same people whose short sighted wishes we must all bow to in the name of democracy. Phooey! :-D As the world is entering recession led by Germany >:-) ......... It makes sense to trim unnecessary overheads like the money we give to the EU ;-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 antony1969 - 2019-01-15 7:53 PM The man who could be Liebour leader according to Ollie ... The Marxist Government of Comrade Corbyn will be short lived. After the knife in his back, Keir Starmer will take over leadership of the Labour Party. Remember, you heard it here first. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-01-15 10:42 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 9:07 PM antony1969 - 2019-01-13 11:56 AM Much more powerful speech here ... https://brexitcentral.com/leaving-eu-wto-terms-will-make-businesses-competitive-innovative/ ... "The IMF estimate that 90% of global growth in the next 10-15years is likely to come from outside the EU" ... The world is our oyster But, that is a rather misleading statistic. 90% of global growth is, of course, a forecast. How could you Antony? I mean, a forecast! :-D But, seriously, what is it based on? Emerging markets will always tend to grow faster than mature markets, they start from lower, so they rise faster. That doesn't make it sensible to reject a large, wealthy, mature market on one's doorstep, merely to cultivate ties with the emerging markets - which will, by their nature, be more volatile than the mature markets. Better by far to remain close to the mature market, even more so if one trades with the mature market tariff free. The mature market provides the bread and butter, and the emerging markets can then provide the cherries on the cake as and where they generate growth. Nothing presently stops the UK from doing this. There is no legal restraint on it. Germany does it far more successfully from within the EU than the UK, by a factor of, if I remember, about 10. Why? We do not need trade deals to trade, as some seem to think. The EU does not prevent external trade, only the conclusion of trade deals by one EU member that could place other EU states at an unfair disadvantage within the single market. Our problem, which has been the case since well before we joined the EU, is that we import much more than we export, and we have low productivity. We were, and we remain, a high cost - low wage economy with poor productivity. If we fixed the productivity problem, mainly attributable to low investment levels, we could begin to reverse that long established trend. Instead of investing, our industrialists have traditionally sought to import labour as a cheap fix. When they no longer need the labour, they are laid off - which means handed over to the state to pay for. It used to be called "hire and fire", and underlies much of the labour relations problems that gave rise to belligerent unionisation. But, once here, those migrants tend to stay, swelling our population and increasing demands on housing, the NHS, education, infrastructure etc. etc. Since the 2008 crash our governments have not increased spending on these functions to match the increase in population, so housing has become expensive and services and infrastructure have deteriorated. They have, instead, used the additional tax take from the migrants to try to pay down the cost of bailing out the banks in preference to increasing taxation for the same end. In short, our problem is, as ever, economic short termism. People prefer to suspend their intelligence and vote for whatever manifesto they think will be cheapest for them tomorrow, and then moan when cheapest doesn't turn out to be best. But, these are the same people whose short sighted wishes we must all bow to in the name of democracy. Phooey! :-D As the world is entering recession led by Germany >:-) ......... It makes sense to trim unnecessary overheads like the money we give to the EU ;-) ........... Yet over the past two and half years it's cost UK billions more than what we would have paid EU......and not one pip squeak from you rabid Brexiters over that insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-01-16 12:04 AM Yet over the past two and half years it's cost UK billions more than what we would have paid EU...... Still spreading that myth Bullet *-) ........... If folk want to see the country lose REAL billions......vote for Corbyn 8-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony1969 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 747 - 2019-01-15 11:53 PM antony1969 - 2019-01-15 7:53 PM The man who could be Liebour leader according to Ollie ... The Marxist Government of Comrade Corbyn will be short lived. After the knife in his back, Keir Starmer will take over leadership of the Labour Party. Remember, you heard it here first. ;-) Aaaaaw c'mon .... Surely Diane Abbott deserves a shot first ... She would work 28 hours a day , 11 days a week and 437 days a year to make a success of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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