John52 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Are any of the genuinely poor actually paying any taxes? And how do you connect their tax-paying, if there is any, with the funds which will pay for the Chancellor's efforts the get the economy going, which so far are all done by borrowing? Clearly we willl have to pay all the borrowing back eventually, but isn't it just a little bit fanciful to claim that the poor are already being taxed to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-09 11:11 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Are any of the genuinely poor actually paying any taxes? And how do you connect their tax-paying, if there is any, with the funds which will pay for the Chancellor's efforts the get the economy going, which so far are all done by borrowing? Clearly we willl have to pay all the borrowing back eventually, but isn't it just a little bit fanciful to claim that the poor are already being taxed to do it? John52's trouble is....... he believes his own Codswallop :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-09 11:11 AM Are any of the genuinely poor actually paying any taxes? Of course VAT for a start Then all the stealth taxes like tax on lorries that deliver their goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 StuartO - 2020-07-09 11:11 AM Chancellor's efforts the get the economy going, Efforts to make sure they can pay their rent more like. High street & casual dining sector was already in crisis before the plague. Hardly going to be economic now And should we be encouraging people to go back to pubs? Last I heard we were having as many deaths from the plague in one day as all the rest of the EU put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 A fraudster's charter, badly timed and poorly targeted https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/09/rishi-sunak-jobs-policies-badly-timed-poorly-targeted-ifs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-09 7:16 PM A fraudster's charter, badly timed and poorly targeted https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/09/rishi-sunak-jobs-policies-badly-timed-poorly-targeted-ifs More Loser drivel from the Daily Bumwipe *-) ........ Maybe it's me ;-) ....... If you are a typical Scot? 8-) ....... Then I think you do need another "Once" in a life time referendum >:-) ........ But if you want to win ;-) ........ Best get Mrs Krankie to ask the English to vote (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-07-09 9:08 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 7:16 PM A fraudster's charter, badly timed and poorly targeted https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/09/rishi-sunak-jobs-policies-badly-timed-poorly-targeted-ifs More Loser drivel from the Daily Bumwipe *-) ........ Maybe it's me ;-) ....... If you are a typical Scot? 8-) ....... Then I think you do need another "Once" in a life time referendum >:-) ........ But if you want to win ;-) ........ Best get Mrs Krankie to ask the English to vote (lol) (lol) (lol) ........ If you read links before commenting on them you might have realised where the report came from *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Just when you think it can't get worse, it does The Chancellor subsidising people to go out to uneconomic restaurants, and serving them with no mask, and no gloves - when we are having as many covid deaths as all the other 27 countries of the EU added together Now they have opted out of the EU vaccine scheme as if they can do it better >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/09/no-masks-wagamama-criticised-over-rishi-sunak-photo-op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. I'll translate ... You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? John, name me a single business in which the "poor" do not pay for a service that ultimately benefits the "rich" financially. Isn't that prospect the main reason people start businesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-10 12:17 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? John, name me a single business in which the "poor" do not pay for a service that ultimately benefits the "rich" financially. Isn't that prospect the main reason people start businesses? Yes but I'm talking about taxes taken from the poor and given to the (comparatively) rich Not that its necessarily working as intended The twitter links show Rishi Sunak prancing about without mask or gloves has put people off going to Wagamana :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 8:41 AM John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle It doesn't take much to find that 1.6 million people used foodbanks last year, an increase of 250,000 from the previous year and the chart shows how the number has increased relentlessly over the past ten years. However that figure was from Trussell Trust foodbanks only and as there are hundreds of other independent foodbanks run by different charities supplying, it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". https://tinyurl.com/y9j59k9p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-10 1:57 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-10 12:17 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? John, name me a single business in which the "poor" do not pay for a service that ultimately benefits the "rich" financially. Isn't that prospect the main reason people start businesses? Yes but I'm talking about taxes taken from the poor and given to the (comparatively) rich Not that its necessarily working as intended The twitter links show Rishi Sunak prancing about without mask or gloves has put people off going to Wagamana :-S Time to give up Johnwhateveryournameis ;-) ......... Even Waldorf is struggling with your Lefty Marxist mantra (lol) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 John52 - 2020-07-10 1:57 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-07-10 12:17 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? John, name me a single business in which the "poor" do not pay for a service that ultimately benefits the "rich" financially. Isn't that prospect the main reason people start businesses? Yes but I'm talking about taxes taken from the poor and given to the (comparatively) rich Not that its necessarily working as intended The twitter links show Rishi Sunak prancing about without mask or gloves has put people off going to Wagamana :-S Yes, but the poor don't pay tax. The less well off do, as do the majority of us. Ultimately, the idea is to get the staff and the customers back into the pubs and restaurants to try to get that part of the economy ticking over. Whether it will work or not we shall have to wait and see. Re the stamp duty I'm inclined to agree, it's hitting the wrong target. But, these are ideas adopted in haste, with little refinement or research, and can be adjusted if necessary. Besides, I've more time for Sunak than the rest of the cabinet! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 3:14 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 8:41 AM John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle It doesn't take much to find that 1.6 million people used foodbanks last year, an increase of 250,000 from the previous year and the chart shows how the number has increased relentlessly over the past ten years. However that figure was from Trussell Trust foodbanks only and as there are hundreds of other independent foodbanks run by different charities supplying, it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". https://tinyurl.com/y9j59k9p Errr ... Even if that figure is correct its not "millions" is it sweet cheeks ??? ... From what I have witnessed of food banks the only ones "reliant on food banks" are drunks and druggies who get free food from losers and therefore spend there money getting drunk and high ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 7:28 PM Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 3:14 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 8:41 AM John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle It doesn't take much to find that 1.6 million people used foodbanks last year, an increase of 250,000 from the previous year and the chart shows how the number has increased relentlessly over the past ten years. However that figure was from Trussell Trust foodbanks only and as there are hundreds of other independent foodbanks run by different charities supplying, it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". https://tinyurl.com/y9j59k9p Errr ... Even if that figure is correct its not "millions" is it? Engage brain instead of looking for childish pedantry. It's been clearly explained to you the figures on that link are from the Trussell Trust only who themselves state; "Trussell Trust figures cannot be used to fully explain the scale of the food poverty across the UK, because our figures only relate to Trussell Trust foodbanks and not to the hundreds of other independent food aid providers." So taking those into consideration along with the fact Trussell Trust account for 1.6 million (note; plural), it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". Meantime, read and learn. https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/04/24/eleven-foodbank-myths-you-must-not-fall-for/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 7:28 PM Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 3:14 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 8:41 AM John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle It doesn't take much to find that 1.6 million people used foodbanks last year, an increase of 250,000 from the previous year and the chart shows how the number has increased relentlessly over the past ten years. However that figure was from Trussell Trust foodbanks only and as there are hundreds of other independent foodbanks run by different charities supplying, it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". https://tinyurl.com/y9j59k9p Errr ... Even if that figure is correct its not "millions" is it? Engage brain instead of looking for childish pedantry. It's been clearly explained to you the figures on that link are from the Trussell Trust only who themselves state; "Trussell Trust figures cannot be used to fully explain the scale of the food poverty across the UK, because our figures only relate to Trussell Trust foodbanks and not to the hundreds of other independent food aid providers." So taking those into consideration along with the fact Trussell Trust account for 1.6 million (note; plural), it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". Meantime, read and learn. https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/04/24/eleven-foodbank-myths-you-must-not-fall-for/ Then show "millions" princess ... Most food bank users in my experience are druggies, drunks and freeloaders who dont need to rely on food banks , they choose to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-10 7:20 PM the poor don't pay tax. T Yes they do. They don't pay income tax, but recent English Governments have cut income tax (helping the better off) and replaced it with stealth taxes that everyone pays. Hence the widening gap between rich and poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-07-10 7:20 PM the idea is to get the staff and the customers back into the pubs and restaurants to try to get that part of the economy ticking over. The high street and casual dining sector was already in crisis before the plague and the Governments catastrophic mishandling of it. The realty is we have too many shops, pubs and restaurants. Sadly, some need to close. And it isn't the best use of borrowed money to subsidise them - especially when it risks spreading the virus with the likes of Rishi Sunak prancing about with no mask and no gloves :'( Sadly we can only stop the virus by people keeping apart, not by getting together indoors in pubs and restaurants. Drunks don't do social distancing Is it a coincidence that everything this government does helps to keep people paying their rents, and keeps property prices high *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 7:56 PM Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 7:46 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 7:28 PM Bulletguy - 2020-07-10 3:14 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-10 8:41 AM John52 - 2020-07-10 7:12 AM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 2:19 PM John52 - 2020-07-09 1:56 PM Birdbrain - 2020-07-09 10:04 AM John52 - 2020-07-09 9:28 AM Taxing the poor to subsidise stamp duty holiday and meals for the rich Should we really be subsidising the better off to eat in pubs and restaurants where the risk of spreading the plague is greater? Crikey ... To eat out now you have to be "rich" ... Motorhome owners like you must be super rich then if those that have a pub lunch are "rich" ... Hate on ... If the "poor" cant afford to eat out then at least they wont catch Chins Virus will they Millions are reliant on charity food banks But the chancellor would rather subsidise restaurants. Chuckle ... "Millions are reliant on food banks" ... Proof ??? ... Your funny You might think its funny for people to be reliant on charity food banks but I don't. You cant show "millions are reliant on food banks" ... Chuckle It doesn't take much to find that 1.6 million people used foodbanks last year, an increase of 250,000 from the previous year and the chart shows how the number has increased relentlessly over the past ten years. However that figure was from Trussell Trust foodbanks only and as there are hundreds of other independent foodbanks run by different charities supplying, it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". https://tinyurl.com/y9j59k9p Errr ... Even if that figure is correct its not "millions" is it? Engage brain instead of looking for childish pedantry. It's been clearly explained to you the figures on that link are from the Trussell Trust only who themselves state; "Trussell Trust figures cannot be used to fully explain the scale of the food poverty across the UK, because our figures only relate to Trussell Trust foodbanks and not to the hundreds of other independent food aid providers." So taking those into consideration along with the fact Trussell Trust account for 1.6 million (note; plural), it's perfectly within reason that "millions are reliant on foodbanks". Meantime, read and learn. https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/04/24/eleven-foodbank-myths-you-must-not-fall-for/ Then show "millions" princess . To use one of your own silly terms, i'll translate. The Trussell Trust figure alone is more than a million. Got that bit now? Good. Now listen up for the next bit. The Trussell Trust state; our figures only relate to Trussell Trust foodbanks and not to the hundreds of other independent food aid providers." So as the Trussell Trust is well in excess of a million and there are "hundreds of other independent food aid providers", it's logical there will be 'millions' reliant on foodbanks. If you still cannot grasp that then as usual you're just trolling with childish pedantry being your typical bolshie self. Finally Antony, persist in insulting the same fm's with your effeminate 'put downs', then expect the same back. Most food bank users in my experience are druggies, drunks and freeloaders who dont need to rely on food banks , they choose to I'm calling you out on that rubbish. PROVE it. Thats what you're always asking others for so lets see it. You claim "most are druggies and freeloaders who don't need to rely on food banks" so you must have plenty of evidence. Post it up Motormouth. One day you might fall on your ass and be wondering where help and empathy is. Imo that's the only way you, and people like you, will ever learn and in your case, the harder it hits the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.