Bulletguy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Latest from yet another Leave voting city.....Derby. Rolls-Royce has announced that it will be shifting work from Derby to Germany to limit disruption caused by Brexit. The company confirmed in a trading update today that it is to transfer design approval work for its large aero engines away from Derby. Engines designed and built by the firm, which has its civil aerospace division in Sinfin, have to be signed off by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). No anticipation of job transfers which is some relief and they do say the move could be "reversible".....hmm, a bit like Brexit could be if folk see sense and realise frictionless JIT trade is essential for production companies to function. https://tinyurl.com/ya5bxmay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-13 9:18 PM No anticipation of job transfers which is some relief and they do say the move could be "reversible"..... So yet another Remoaner non story *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-14 8:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-13 9:18 PM No anticipation of job transfers which is some relief and they do say the move could be "reversible"..... So yet another Remoaner non story *-) .......... That depends much on the outcome. With Mays deal, possibly....but you don't want that because it's still keeping ties to EU. Without a deal, then they definitely won't be returning to a country stuck in a time warp they cannot possibly continue production. Naturally if none of this madness had come about then they wouldn't have moved out of UK at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-14 2:57 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-14 8:40 AM Bulletguy - 2018-12-13 9:18 PM No anticipation of job transfers which is some relief and they do say the move could be "reversible"..... So yet another Remoaner non story *-) .......... That depends much on the outcome. With Mays deal, possibly....but you don't want that because it's still keeping ties to EU. Without a deal, then they definitely won't be returning to a country stuck in a time warp they cannot possibly continue production. Naturally if none of this madness had come about then they wouldn't have moved out of UK at all. So Rolls Royce only sell engines to the EU? *-) .......... Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 An interesting one with RR, like me they trade around the world, mostly with no tariffs. Brexit or not there will be no tariffs on EU trade. A couple of years back they did a deal with the U.S. I supplied a few bits and bobs to a German company, these went to RR and where shipped to the U.S. as the deal meant they had to set up a new factory over there, I guess any surplus profit will come back to the corporate headquarters, but the biggest benefactors will be the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 colin - 2018-12-15 7:10 PM An interesting one with RR, like me they trade around the world, mostly with no tariffs. Brexit or not there will be no tariffs on EU trade. A couple of years back they did a deal with the U.S. I supplied a few bits and bobs to a German company, these went to RR and where shipped to the U.S. as the deal meant they had to set up a new factory over there, I guess any surplus profit will come back to the corporate headquarters, but the biggest benefactors will be the U.S. There are no tariffs on aero engines and parts world wide but their engines have to be signed off by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), hence the move. So yet another example of something entirely overlooked, ignored, or people not told about until it's too late. I expect the reason they've played down any impact the move will have will be to placate those shouting 'project fear' who default to this phrase each time anything negative about Brexit comes to light. It's their way of shutting down bad Brexit related news in the same way Trump wails "fake news" each time anything negative about him comes to light. It will be interesting to see what develops with Nissan and Sunderland.....who voted Leave. Staggering to imagine why on earth any Nissan employee (very well paid job in a deprived area) would vote to effectively sack themselves but no doubt some did, and it may be only a matter of time before that plant is in the news for all the wrong reasons. The clearest explanation of how its UK business depends on EU membership was provided in February 2017 by Nissan executive Colin Lawther, appearing before parliament’s international trade committee. Lawther, a chemist by training, began his career with Nissan in 1985, as one of the key workers responsible for setting up the laboratory operation in the Sunderland plant. He went on to become Nissan Europe’s senior vice-president for manufacturing, purchasing and supply-chain management, before retiring earlier this year. To produce as many cars as it does, Lawther explained, Nissan Sunderland needs to receive and fit 5m parts each day. Of these parts, 85% are imported, mainly from Europe. The plant holds only enough parts for half a day’s production, because it is expensive to store them, so the whole multi-billion pound operation relies on these millions of parts arriving daily with no barriers or customs delays. “We build two cars every minute,” Lawther told the committee in 2017. “So you have 5m parts coming in every day, and you have half a day’s worth of stock. Any disruption to that supply chain is a complete disaster. “We are talking about plant efficiency, downtime efficiency – to be world-class, we have to be 97% efficient. We are talking about two, three, four, six minutes a day of downtime on the production line. More than that is a disaster. If you start talking about interruption of supply of parts for hours, that is completely off the scale.” https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/oct/04/will-nissan-stay-once-britain-leaves-sunderland-brexit-business-dilemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers.........It's about getting the right stamp on the correct piece of paper ;-) ...........and as EASA is the "European" Aviation Safety Agency........it makes sense that it will be done in Europe after we've left :D .......... No doubt they have to get the same approval from the authorities in the US, China, Russia etc? :-| ......... So as I said ......just another Remoaner Propaganda Non story *-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-16 9:44 AM John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers......... Yet previously you stated, "Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off". Make your mind up. *-) I seem to remember you previously trying to use the "cheap labour supplies" as an excuse for Dyson deciding to build his electric car in Singapore when in reality Singapore has one of the highest wage levels plus hugely expensive land for industry.....not to mention the uncomfortable (for you) fact that Singapore had just signed FTA's with the EU days before Dysons decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 3:27 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 9:44 AM John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers......... Yet previously you stated, "Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off". Make your mind up. *-) I seem to remember you previously trying to use the "cheap labour supplies" as an excuse for Dyson deciding to build his electric car in Singapore when in reality Singapore has one of the highest wage levels plus hugely expensive land for industry.....not to mention the uncomfortable (for you) fact that Singapore had just signed FTA's with the EU days before Dysons decision. So it's not about Rolls Royce now..........its about my reply (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-16 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 3:27 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 9:44 AM John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers......... Yet previously you stated, "Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off". Make your mind up. *-) I seem to remember you previously trying to use the "cheap labour supplies" as an excuse for Dyson deciding to build his electric car in Singapore when in reality Singapore has one of the highest wage levels plus hugely expensive land for industry.....not to mention the uncomfortable (for you) fact that Singapore had just signed FTA's with the EU days before Dysons decision. So it's not about Rolls Royce now..........its about my reply (lol) ......... The thread topic is about RR over which you made totally contradictory statements in two posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 4:26 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 3:27 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 9:44 AM John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers......... Yet previously you stated, "Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off". Make your mind up. *-) I seem to remember you previously trying to use the "cheap labour supplies" as an excuse for Dyson deciding to build his electric car in Singapore when in reality Singapore has one of the highest wage levels plus hugely expensive land for industry.....not to mention the uncomfortable (for you) fact that Singapore had just signed FTA's with the EU days before Dysons decision. So it's not about Rolls Royce now..........its about my reply (lol) ......... The thread topic is about RR over which you made totally contradictory statements in two posts. So is this thread about the loss of British RR jobs or not? ;-) ......... Nope its about the loss of the rubber stamp operatives change of venue (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-16 5:38 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 4:26 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 3:31 PM Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 3:27 PM pelmetman - 2018-12-16 9:44 AM John52 - 2018-12-16 9:01 AM pelmetman - 2018-12-15 8:57 AM Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off >:-) ........ Thats all you can see because thats the limit of your intelligence :D But just because you can't see anything else doesn't mean it isn't there. And, at the risk of stating the obvious, even what little you have observed is wrong because an aero engine manufacturer is going to be looking for Skilled labour, not Cheap labour. :-S As Bullets link stated..........its not about the workers......... Yet previously you stated, "Its nothing more than big business whinging about their cheap labour supplies being cut off". Make your mind up. *-) I seem to remember you previously trying to use the "cheap labour supplies" as an excuse for Dyson deciding to build his electric car in Singapore when in reality Singapore has one of the highest wage levels plus hugely expensive land for industry.....not to mention the uncomfortable (for you) fact that Singapore had just signed FTA's with the EU days before Dysons decision. So it's not about Rolls Royce now..........its about my reply (lol) ......... The thread topic is about RR over which you made totally contradictory statements in two posts. So is this thread about the loss of British RR jobs or not? ;-) ......... First you implied it was (loss of 'cheap labour supply'), then you decided it wasn't. *-) Nope its about the loss of the rubber stamp operatives change of venue (lol) ......... "Rubber stamp operatives".....whats that supposed to mean?? You are drunk.....again. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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