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Posted: 13 March 2019 6:30 AM
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Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.
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Posted: 13 March 2019 10:45 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-13 10:33 AM

Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.


Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-13 10:33 AM

Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.


Surely you don't think that if you manage to prevent Brexit you will have won??? ..........

All you will have achieved is bolting the Brexit Trojan horse into the EU stable .......

Be careful what EU wish for ..........

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Posted: 13 March 2019 12:23 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?

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Barryd999 - 2019-03-13 10:33 AM

Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.


Surely you don't think that if you manage to prevent Brexit you will have won??? ..........

All you will have achieved is bolting the Brexit Trojan horse into the EU stable .......

Be careful what EU wish for ..........



I dont give a toss about "winning" Dave. I just care about this once great country of ours and the self harm we are doing to ourselves. To be honest if Brexit is overturned I dont think I will leap around full of joy and come on here shouting "loosers" or whatever. I probably will feel genuinely aggrieved and bad for those who voted to leave for genuine reasons or who believed the s**te spun by the big Brexit backers.

I dare say your right, it wont be the end of it if we dont go but equally you could say that about all those remainers who will probably start the campaign to rejoin ten minutes after we leave. I Dont think they will wait the 50 years Smuggy was suggesting it would take to reap the benefits.

The way the Brexit faithful like yourself go on about it you would think the EU were going around eating our children. Its just an obsession with winning now, its nothing to do with what is best for the country.
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-13 10:33 AM

Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.


Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???


Well Brian has given you one good example in an endless list but face it Antony if nothing else they have proved themselves (apart from a few clever lawyers) to be not much better clued up than the rest of us, probably less so some of them. They had no choice but to try and deliver Brexit by triggering A50 but two years down the line they have failed massively to deliver Brexit or at least the kind of Brexit most people probably imagined so now what with no majority in the public or Parliament for a cliff edge.

You have to admit its a mess.
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Posted: 13 March 2019 1:03 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


So you are saying our MPs elected to represent us when voting for article 50 twoyears ago had no idea what
they were voting for and had no idea what a no deal meant ??? ... C'mon Brian ... Really
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Posted: 13 March 2019 1:06 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM

Barryd999 - 2019-03-13 10:33 AM

Well he is partly correct but Parliament is sovereign. Its what you wanted. The public voted marginally to leave nearly three years ago in and advisory referendum. The pollys have tried to implement the result but have failed massively because its clear a compromise on Brexit is simply not possible and a no deal Brexit unthinkable and certainly nobody was talking about a no deal Brexit when we voted nearly three years ago.

It was always going to be the case that Parliament would reject a suicidal no deal Brexit but it was always going to be the case that any deal would be crap and heavily in the EU's favour because again as predicted we dont hold all the cards and they dont need us more than we need them.

How many times did many of us say back in 2016 it would end up this way? You Brexiteers were having none of it though.

If Brexit had been sold on No Deal and the fact that we would be walking away with nothing then it would have been an honest Brexit and that is what we would have done but it wasnt was it? Of course if it had been sold that way and we knew then what no deal would mean as we do now there is no way Leave would have won. If it fails now dont blame remainers, the EU or Parliament. Blame the Brexit orchestrators.


Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???


Well Brian has given you one good example in an endless list but face it Antony if nothing else they have proved themselves (apart from a few clever lawyers) to be not much better clued up than the rest of us, probably less so some of them. They had no choice but to try and deliver Brexit by triggering A50 but two years down the line they have failed massively to deliver Brexit or at least the kind of Brexit most people probably imagined so now what with no majority in the public or Parliament for a cliff edge.

You have to admit its a mess.


They had a choice not to vote for article 50 as some MPs did ... Now they are saying they want to challenge the legal ending of the game they triggered because they dont like it anymore or never did but didn't have the bolox to say no 2 years ago ... Lordy
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Posted: 13 March 2019 2:56 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 1:06 PM

They had a choice not to vote for article 50 as some MPs did ... Now they are saying they want to challenge the legal ending of the game they triggered because they dont like it anymore or never did but didn't have the bolox to say no 2 years ago ... Lordy


Or perhaps they hoped that the unicorns could be delivered, after all the brexiters were so certain in their promises. Now they've seen that its only unicorn s**t that their constituents are going to get they have changed their minds.
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Posted: 13 March 2019 4:25 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 1:03 PM...……………………..So you are saying our MPs elected to represent us when voting for article 50 twoyears ago had no idea what
they were voting for and had no idea what a no deal meant ??? ... C'mon Brian ... Really

Cast your mind back two years Antony, and consider how much has emerged since.

Then just try to pick up the interview on the "World at One" today (it's on I-player) with Rory Stewart (Justice Secretary) and John Trickett. (The relevant bit begins around 25:22 in.)

Then listen to what Stewart says regarding the Malthouse amendment. He flatly says it is illegal under EU law, and yet MPs are trying to vote it through. So, is Stewart right, in which case those supporting that proposal must be wrong (and therefore have no idea what is involved legally), or the Justice Secretary is wrong (and therefore has no idea when is involved legally). Question, based on the evidence, do all MPs understand what the legalities are? Second question, based on the evidence, do enough MPs understand what the legalities are?

Now, back to the Irish border. EU law requires a "normal" land border installation at frontiers between the EU and third countries. These borders exist, so far as I can see, at every physical crossing point from those between northern Finland and Russia, down to those between southern Greece and Turkey - including those between Romania and Moldova. The Belfast Agreement says there will be no such border installations, and the Common Travel Area says that people can move freely between Ireland and the six counties. How can those three conflicting requirements be reconciled? Various groups of MPs including the talking cod-piece(apologies, Attorney General ), have all been trying, and failing, to come up with a solution since we began trying to "negotiate" a withdrawal agreement. It is what the so-called "backstop" is all about.

Where is the evidence that all those pro-Brexit MPs who were saying (and in some cases still are, despite all the evidence to the contrary) that Brexit would be quick and easy, had understood the intractable legal problem that they were creating by voting to submit the Article 50 notification before they had solved the Irish border problem? I don't see it.

So to answer your question above: yes, really. Not because I say so, but because I see no evidence to the contrary.

Unless that is, you think they all understood the nature of the problem, but carried on blindly in the full knowledge they were selling a pup.

More generous, I think, to take the view that they just didn't know, than to take the view that they knew full well it was a fool's errand they were setting the country off upon? Fools, or rogues: which do you prefer?

Or perhaps you knew all the time, but somehow forgot to tell them?

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Posted: 13 March 2019 5:34 PM
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Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario
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Posted: 13 March 2019 5:53 PM
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Lets hope your right again Sir Jacob ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8629645/jacob-rees-mogg-insists-were-still-heading-for-a-no-deal-brexit-even-if-theresa-may-wins-tonights-vote-to-rule-it-out/ ... At least your not one of the gutless brigade that voted for article 50 to be set in motion to now be squealing like pigs at its end game come the 29th of March ... Our so called leaders are worse than rats ... Shame on us
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 5:34 PM

Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario


Ah but back then when it was actually discussed it was brushed under the carpet as something that we could easily solve with technology or magic Unicorns. Thats been the whole problem with Brexit. It was just an extremely high level idea. By high level I mean a big bold idea but nobody did any detail. That was all for someone else to sort out and the concentration was all on pedalling enough bulls**t to get it over the line. They weren't expected to pull it off but thanks to the very clever Dominic Cummings and a very high tech campaign they did (oh and a bit of illegal activity and probably some help from Putin).

Trouble is eventually you have to deliver on the detail and you cant continue to rely on someone else to sort out the details or that some magic technology will arrive (again from someone else) to make it work. On a smaller scale ive seen this happen in large IT business projects many times. If Brexit had been an IT project as a consultant I would have condemned it as unworkable from day one and if they had insisted on going ahead anyway I would have walked off the job as I have done several times.

Now we are completely in the s**t and nobody has the foggiest, not even the PM what happens next or what the future plan is. Even if your rooting for no deal you must realise that this is no position to be in. To call it crazy is an understatement.
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 5:34 PM

Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario


Ah but back then when it was actually discussed it was brushed under the carpet as something that we could easily solve with technology or magic Unicorns. Thats been the whole problem with Brexit. It was just an extremely high level idea. By high level I mean a big bold idea but nobody did any detail. That was all for someone else to sort out and the concentration was all on pedalling enough bulls**t to get it over the line. They weren't expected to pull it off but thanks to the very clever Dominic Cummings and a very high tech campaign they did (oh and a bit of illegal activity and probably some help from Putin).

Trouble is eventually you have to deliver on the detail and you cant continue to rely on someone else to sort out the details or that some magic technology will arrive (again from someone else) to make it work. On a smaller scale ive seen this happen in large IT business projects many times. If Brexit had been an IT project as a consultant I would have condemned it as unworkable from day one and if they had insisted on going ahead anyway I would have walked off the job as I have done several times.

Now we are completely in the s**t and nobody has the foggiest, not even the PM what happens next or what the future plan is. Even if your rooting for no deal you must realise that this is no position to be in. To call it crazy is an understatement.


Aaaah so it was discussed back then , though I dont see anything in my link about brushing it under the carpet "with technology" ... I think you and Brian need to stop the well we didn't know routine because they the politicians that triggered article 50 did ... We've already heard today from team UK that in a no deal scenario hardly anything changes on the border , the EU would be bat sh!t crazy to do anything other surely ... Those vile MPs who vote against a no deal tonight but voted for article 50 will hopefully come next election time be treated by the public with the respect they deserve
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 5:34 PM

Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario

Interesting, but it doesn't really touch on the legal complexity of that border. Still, supposing you are right, and all our MP's had seen that article or similar (I don't remember it being highlighted in the UK media at the time, but we were away) we are left with MPs who knew it could be a show-stopper.

So why then, would they have voted, over a year later, for something that was and remains unattainable - unless they are prepared to trash both the Belfast Agreement and the Common Travel Area? Instead, they have all lined up to recite "we don't want the reintroduction of a hard border" - when in fact there has never been a "hard" border there of the type Brexit requires, and that "hard" border is a legal necessity.

Maybe I was wrong to try to be kind, and merely portray them as fools. Perhaps you are right - and they should be portrayed as rogues. Neither is acceptable, is it?
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 5:34 PM

Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario

Interesting, but it doesn't really touch on the legal complexity of that border. Still, supposing you are right, and all our MP's had seen that article or similar (I don't remember it being highlighted in the UK media at the time, but we were away) we are left with MPs who knew it could be a show-stopper.

So why then, would they have voted, over a year later, for something that was and remains unattainable - unless they are prepared to trash both the Belfast Agreement and the Common Travel Area? Instead, they have all lined up to recite "we don't want the reintroduction of a hard border" - when in fact there has never been a "hard" border there of the type Brexit requires, and that "hard" border is a legal necessity.

Maybe I was wrong to try to be kind, and merely portray them as fools. Perhaps you are right - and they should be portrayed as rogues. Neither is acceptable, is it?


I believe we can agree they are fools and rogues and many things in between ... I like many others regardless of which way you voted in the referendum believe our politicians are not fit for purpose ... At the moment I feel like we need a French moment , a public show of outrage ... They are a disgrace
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 6:26 PM...............….I think you and Brian need to stop the well we didn't know routine because they the politicians that triggered article 50 did ... We've already heard today from team UK that in a no deal scenario hardly anything changes on the border , the EU would be bat sh!t crazy to do anything other surely ... ………………..

Interesting combination of assertion and uncertainty. I didn't hear that assertion from "team UK" (or any other "team" for that matter) during the course of today, so am unclear exactly what you are referring to. Your uncertainty over what might be done merely reflects the legal impossibility of satisfying the requirements of all the various agreements and treaties for the status of that border if/when we leave the EU.

Although the exact number roads crossing that border is disputed (not least because the border runs down the middle of some roads, and because other crossings are private roads), even the lowest agreed figure of, I think, 168 (the highest being 270!), exceeds the number of road crossings on the whole of the EU's eastern border (said to number 137). Add to that, that the border wanders unmarked all over the place, and trying to formalise it becomes a virtual impossibility.

The people who make these lazy assertions clearly do not know of what they speak, yet you seem happy to accept their word. This has been the problem with Brexit from the outset. People have believed what they wanted to hear, and rejected as untrue what they didn't want to hear, irrespective of which was, actually, true.

But of course, no-one must deign to suggest that the average Joe might not have fully grasped the complexity, even as those who are our lawmakers demonstrate they don't "get it"!
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 5:34 PM

Brian ... A very , very quick look on the t'interweb ... This from June 2016 ... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/unionism-split-prospect-new-irish-border/ ... Please dont try telling us politicians didn't know when voting for article 50 two years ago after this linked piece didn't have any idea what the Irish border issue meant in a no deal scenario

Interesting, but it doesn't really touch on the legal complexity of that border. Still, supposing you are right, and all our MP's had seen that article or similar (I don't remember it being highlighted in the UK media at the time, but we were away) we are left with MPs who knew it could be a show-stopper.

So why then, would they have voted, over a year later, for something that was and remains unattainable - unless they are prepared to trash both the Belfast Agreement and the Common Travel Area? Instead, they have all lined up to recite "we don't want the reintroduction of a hard border" - when in fact there has never been a "hard" border there of the type Brexit requires, and that "hard" border is a legal necessity.

Maybe I was wrong to try to be kind, and merely portray them as fools. Perhaps you are right - and they should be portrayed as rogues. Neither is acceptable, is it?


I believe we can agree they are fools and rogues and many things in between ... I like many others regardless of which way you voted in the referendum believe our politicians are not fit for purpose ... At the moment I feel like we need a French moment , a public show of outrage ... They are a disgrace


If we are lining them up against the wall can I "do" Smuggy and IDS please?

I would like to point out to the social media police that the above is a joke before they send MI5 round. Those two are not nearly enough. Lets have Sewage and Loathsome up there as well. Throw in Jezza just to balance it out a bit.

Not that nice Mr Chukka though or Mrs Soubry.
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All in this together https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/11/jacob-rees-mogg-earned-7000000-investments-since-brexit-8884678/
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Aaaah the bitter socialist strikes again ... How many in Jeremys hard left shadow socialist cabinet are millionaires who supposedly represent the working class ???
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Strange how those helping line his pockets fawn and bow obsequiously at his feet. Turkeys begging for Christmas.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-03-13 12:23 PM

antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?




Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.
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7 million is that all???.........How much did your Remoaner hero Soros earn off the UK taxpayer? ......

A BILLION ..........

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7 million is that all???.........How much did your Remoaner hero Soros earn off the UK taxpayer? ......

A BILLION ..........


When did Soros sit in parliament and direct policy to give him financial gain?
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Posted: 15 March 2019 9:09 AM
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Fast Pat - 2019-03-15 9:03 AM

pelmetman - 2019-03-15 8:25 AM



7 million is that all???.........How much did your Remoaner hero Soros earn off the UK taxpayer? ......

A BILLION ..........


When did Soros sit in parliament and direct policy to give him financial gain?


When has Rees Mogg directed parliament? .........

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Posted: 15 March 2019 9:40 AM
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Fast Pat - 2019-03-15 9:03 AM

pelmetman - 2019-03-15 8:25 AM



7 million is that all???.........How much did your Remoaner hero Soros earn off the UK taxpayer? ......

A BILLION ..........


When did Soros sit in parliament and direct policy to give him financial gain?


When you are in the big league, you direct things from a distance. Are you simple enough to not be aware of how these things work. Rupert Murdoch is another manipulator who buys Politicians and CEOs' with pocket change (to him).
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 6:30 AM

As always ... https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1105559367045144576 ... Out a touch they are


He’s always been right.... far right. Rabid right, if you prefer.
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teflon2 - 2019-03-14 6:44 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-03-13 12:23 PM
antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.
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