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userpelmetman
Posted: 15 March 2019 3:16 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

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Posted: 15 March 2019 4:03 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms
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Posted: 15 March 2019 5:27 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?
OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?

Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.

True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

No? What change of circumstance requires that the border be enforced?
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Posted: 15 March 2019 11:23 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


Oh, the sweet irony of that.
userpelmetman
Posted: 16 March 2019 7:44 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......

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Posted: 16 March 2019 8:03 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu

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Posted: 16 March 2019 8:08 AM
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As always ... https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1105559367045144576 ... Out a touch they are


He’s always been right.... far right. Rabid right, if you prefer.


Thought you'd put "rabbi right" then for a momentum .... Given who you support n'all that thought it was another failed attempt at humour by ya ... Still is a failure though
userpelmetman
Posted: 16 March 2019 8:15 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu



.......and we'll have one......courtesy of the ROI and the EU .........

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Posted: 16 March 2019 8:28 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu



.......and we'll have one......courtesy of the ROI and the EU .........



Nope, it us trading on WTO terms that's why the onus falls on us and Mays attempt to fudge the issue with a "temporary" border in the Irish sea.
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Posted: 16 March 2019 8:31 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu



.......and we'll have one......courtesy of the ROI and the EU .........



Nope, it us trading on WTO terms that's why the onus falls on us and Mays attempt to fudge the issue with a "temporary" border in the Irish sea.


I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........

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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu



.......and we'll have one......courtesy of the ROI and the EU .........



Nope, it us trading on WTO terms that's why the onus falls on us and Mays attempt to fudge the issue with a "temporary" border in the Irish sea.


I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........

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I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........



You've been doing quite a bit of that wait and see, as you watch Project Fear become reality.

Still blue passports...............
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu



Easily sorted.

One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.
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Posted: 16 March 2019 11:13 AM
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I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........



You've been doing quite a bit of that wait and see, as you watch Project Fear become reality.

Still blue passports...............


You mean that reality where none of your "EXPERTS" predictions came true? ........

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pelmetman - 2019-03-16 8:31 AM

I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........



You've been doing quite a bit of that wait and see, as you watch Project Fear become reality.

Still blue passports...............


You mean that reality where none of your "EXPERTS" predictions came true? ........



Its official, you're in denial.
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Posted: 16 March 2019 11:36 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-03-16 8:31 AM

I guess we'll have to wait and see wont we......seeing as its third time lucky for Mrs May.......along with another bumper payday for the DUP ...........



You've been doing quite a bit of that wait and see, as you watch Project Fear become reality.

Still blue passports...............


You mean that reality where none of your "EXPERTS" predictions came true? ........



Its official, you're in denial.


Why would I want to deny the best employment figures since the 70's.....the best wage growth in 10 years......a economy that is out performing Germany? .........

I've never had it so good ........

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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?
OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?

Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.

True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........
It will if you want to trade on WTO terms

What did Mrs May say? ...........
There will be no NI border ..........
If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......

Totally delusional. Do you really suppose that those who have erected posters saying "We're back" will fail to notice why those borders have been hardened? I'm sorry Dave, but your capacity for self-deception is exceeded only by your failure to think through the consequences of what you advocate!
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One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?
OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?

Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.

True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........
It will if you want to trade on WTO terms

What did Mrs May say? ...........
There will be no NI border ..........
If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......

Totally delusional. Do you really suppose that those who have erected posters saying "We're back" will fail to notice why those borders have been hardened? I'm sorry Dave, but your capacity for self-deception is exceeded only by your failure to think through the consequences of what you advocate!


The only people who are delusional are those who think NI wont vote to reunite at the first opportunity .........

Seems to me you Remoaners have made your last stand on quicksand ..........

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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.


No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).

I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.
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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.


No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).

I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.

But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side.

Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from.

To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine.

It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at.

Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations.

If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit.
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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.


No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).

I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.

But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side.

Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from.

To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine.

It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at.

Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations.

If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit.


Yeah ......like they're not wide open already .........

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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.


No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).

I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.

But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side.

Part of the reason the UK opted out of Schengen, is that our government had limited faith in the border controls operated by certain other countries. What you are proposing would totally cede control of the UK border to any/all EU states. All they'd need to do is enter via Ireland, wherever they'd come from.

To see the equivalent to what the (non EU) UK/ (EU but non-Schengen) Ireland border would be expected to become (in terms of installations) it is only necessary to look at the border crossings between Croatia, Bulgaria, and Romania (all EU but non-Schengen) and the non-EU states of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Turkey, Kosovo, Moldova, and Ukraine.

It is especially interesting to contrast the crossings between (non-EU) Turkey and (EU Schengen) Greece, with those between Turkey and Bulgaria (EU but non-Schengen). In terms of installations, there is no discernable difference on Google Earth. They all have substantial physical installations both sides of the border, mostly restricted to major roads, with minor roads physically cut at the border. To do that between Ireland and Northern Ireland would cause total chaos on both sides of that border that even the pro Brexit DUP would baulk at.

Even the border crossings between Croatia (EU, but non Schengen) and Slovenia (EU Schengen) have similar border installations.

If we want borders we can control, we have to face up to the implications that imposes on us and introduce controls. Either that, or forget "control of our borders", or forget Brexit.


Yeah ......like they're not wide open already .........



Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU.

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Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU.

Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it?
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU.

Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it?


Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ........

Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? ......







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Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU.

Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it?

Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ........
Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? ......

We did - it was Brexiters who had been persuaded we didn't. Otherwise why were you all so fussed about taking back control? They were only "wide open" to those who didn't couldn't understand that it was the government that opened them, because it wanted to. God, you do love (and misunderstand) that word, don't you? Know another one?
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antony1969 - 2019-03-13 10:45 AM...………………..Parliament voted massively in favour of triggering Article 50 ... They knew what it meant to trigger it then , what didn't they know 2 years ago about leaving without a deal that they know now ???

Gosh, that's really hard Antony. Let me see. Er how long have you got? This is going to go on for pages and pages. Do you really want to know?

OK, let's start with the Irish border. If they had known that that complying with EU "law" for an external border after we had left, would necessitate tearing up the Belfast Agreement and rescinding the Common Travel Area, the only basis on which they could have voted for the Article 50 notification would be if they wished deliberately to mislead the public, or were suffering temporary mass delusion. 'Nuff said?


Not so Brian the only EU countries legally required to maintain an external border are signatories to Shengan, neither the ROI or the UK are signatories so neither country ha to have a tin fence also we will not be members of the EU so will not be bound by EU law. . Unless of course our parliament sells us down the river.

But Ireland will remain a member of the EU, and appears to have entered into arrangements that mirror those of the UK regarding adoption of various parts of the Schengen agreement, which implies that border checks must take place at its border. The requirement merely shifts from UK to ROI, it does not go away.


True ...........But it wont be US implementing the border ........

It will if you want to trade on WTO terms


What did Mrs May say? ...........

There will be no NI border ..........

If the Irish/EU feel the need to install one......that's their problem .......



What do WTO rules say? If we want to trade under them then to comply the UK will have to have an external border control.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47559880

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.htmlu





There are no WTO rules requiring members to have border controls only that the member country maintains what it has declared to be the existing status. It's on the WTO website not on the media bias papers.
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Barryd999 - 2019-03-16 6:27 PM...............….Eh? Of course they are wide open Einstein, we are in the EU.

Funny how often one has to point out the bleeding obvious, isn't it?

Didn't you lot say "WE HAD CONTROL" ........
Funny how often one has to point out YOUR bleeding HYPOCRISY, Isn't it? ......

We did - it was Brexiters who had been persuaded we didn't. Otherwise why were you all so fussed about taking back control? They were only "wide open" to those who didn't couldn't understand that it was the government that opened them, because it wanted to. God, you do love (and misunderstand) that word, don't you? Know another one?



Even more Cobblers ........

If we even felt slightly in control do you think 52% (or in your EU biased mind 37% ) would have voted to leave? ........

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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.


No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).

I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.



But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side.
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What do you mean "Who would agree to that"?

If we have left, we can do as we damn well please. Theresa has already said we will leave the Irish Border as it is and will not put tariffs on most imports from the EU. If the EU Commissioners don't like it then tough titty.
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747 - 2019-03-16 10:43 AM...………………….Easily sorted.
One Border official and a hut. He can just wave traffic through. It has been done before.

Has it? When? You also need to account for the number of crossing points. That means about 270 border officials, and 270 huts - and that assumes each border crossing is open only 8 hours per day, and they are all self-managing and self-sufficient in their (presumably bullet-proof) huts. Hmmmm! Still, off you go.

No. Make it clear that all goods must be transported on the N1 to comply with regulations. It would be a Control in name only. What happens elsewhere would be illegal (if followed up).
I seem to remember that the French did something similar years ago to protect their industry. All electronic goods from (I think Japan) the Far East were subject to strict examination. They gave the task to ONE MAN.

But who would agree to that? If the UK decides to leave it's side wide open to be crossed by anything and anyone, the Irish will be compelled to close their side.

What do you mean "Who would agree to that"?
If we have left, we can do as we damn well please. Theresa has already said we will leave the Irish Border as it is and will not put tariffs on most imports from the EU. If the EU Commissioners don't like it then tough titty.

It is a border, so shared responsibility. It is true we can do as we please on our side, and could even do as you say and leave our side open. However, that would mean anyone and anything the Irish chose to let out of Ireland would be free to enter the UK. That may be OK now, while both UK and Ireland are in the EU, but wasn't part of the reason many voted for Brexit because they thought the existing border controls inadequate? Even disregarding that aspect, once we leave we shall be a third country, and the EU will require Ireland to close that border to prevent non-compliant goods/unauthorised people crossing into Ireland, and thence to the rest of the EU. That is what I mean by "who would agree to that"?

Theresa did indeed say that, but I strongly suspect she will soon discover the limitations of what she says, insofar as it can compel Ireland or the EU to do as she says. The UK no longer runs Ireland, and it definitely doesn't run the EU. I can somehow hear an echo of your "tough titty" coming back from the Irish/EU side of that border! We can't deny our responsibility for what our actions impose on others, no matter how much we may wish to.
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