Barryd999 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Is he wrong? Nope. A spot on summary of a legacy of disasters from The Clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet1956 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Can't wait until Keir is our Prime Minister. I don't subscribe to any left or right wing tribe. All I want is someone that is competent to be the head of our government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Violet1956 - 2021-01-07 3:28 PM Can't wait until Keir is our Prime Minister. I don't subscribe to any left or right wing tribe. All I want is someone that is competent to be the head of our government. The manner in which he delivers his speeches precisely and coherently are such a marked contrast from Johnsons mumbling, rambling, and stuttering huff and bluster. We all know the reason Johnson was picked out to be PM and many knew back then it was entirely the wrong reason and time has proved them right. Johnson has caused an horrendous amount of damage to the country which will take generations to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 The trouble is however at the moment the Labour party is torn between the Corbynistas and the Starmer supporters. Unless they get their act together and get behind the new regime i spell trouble for Labour moving forward. Listening to Starmer he is a breath of fresh air from Johnson though but both parties IMO need to head towards the centre ground but my opinion is not shared by everyone on both sides of the divide and Labour need to be in tune if they are ever to topple the Tories. Mind you from what I have seen so far on a lot of Northern political facebook groups and our MP's posts the support for the Tories is rapidly going down. I assumed it would be Brexit they would finally realise was a big con but its not (so far at least), its the handling of Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:12 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Nope it was predominantly some of your far right mates, and those jailed were all Priti boys. There are in fact three people who have actually gone to prison after being convicted of race hate crimes against Berger, not one of whom is a leftwinger. They are Garron Helm (who received a four-week sentence in October 2014), Joshua Bonehill-Paine (two years in January 2016) and John Nimmo (two years and three months in February 2017). All of them were active fascists. It was the far-right cases that involved threats against Berger. In a sickening endorsement of Nazi mass murder, Garron Helm tweeted a photo of her with a yellow star superimposed on her forehead accompanied by the hashtag “Hitler was right”. John Nimmo issued explicit death threats against Berger, sending her a picture of a knife, warning her to “watch your back, Jewish scum” and declaring that “you will get it like Jo Cox”. Another fascist named Jack Coulson (who was sentenced to four years and eight months last July) was in fact convicted of a terrorist offence, but the police investigation into his far-right activities was initiated by an allegation that he had verbally threatened to kill Berger, reportedly saying he would would “get the bitch” and “put two bullets in the back of her head”. In her LBC interview Berger gave no information about the two instances in which leftwingers had been supposedly been “convicted of antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, apart from saying that one court case was from the end of last year and the other from 2013. Let us examine those cases in more detail. Last December a Corbyn supporter and former Labour Party member named Nick Nelson did receive a 20-week suspended prison sentence for sending abusive emails to Berger in which he described her as a “vile useless Tory ****”. Obviously this language was totally unacceptable (though not much more so, I would say, than denouncing Jeremy Corbyn to his face as “a fecking antisemite and a racist”, or shouting at Ken Livingstone that he’s “a fecking disgrace” and “a Nazi apologist”). But there were certainly no death threats involved, nor did the prosecution claim that the abuse was antisemitic. Nelson wasn’t charged with a racially aggravated offence but with “harassment without violence”. He is reportedly Jewish himself and one of his complaints against Berger was that she was “using Judaism as a weapon” against the party. In the second case where a leftwinger was convicted, a Merseyside music promoter named Philip Hayes subjected Berger to abuse after an argument about Israel’s policy in Gaza. In that instance the abuse was definitely antisemitic. Hayes drunkenly told Berger that he hated Jews and he pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence, receiving a £120 fine. Again, however, there were no death threats involved, or indeed any threat of violence at all. Berger now says she believes Hayes was a member of the Labour Party, although nobody mentioned that at the time. On top of which, the incident took place back in November 2012, long before Corbyn’s election as Labour leader and the outbreak of antisemitism in the party that supposedly followed his victory. So, of the two leftwingers who according to Berger were among those convicted of “antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, neither was charged with threatening behaviour and only one of the cases (which dates from over six years ago) involved antisemitism. Neither case was serious enough to merit a custodial sentence. Clearly there is a distinction to be made between the leftwing cases of abuse against Berger, reprehensible though they are, and the much more serious far-right ones. Her wilful failure to make such a distinction explains why Matt Carr could cite Berger as the source for his mistaken claim that “two of the six people convicted of sending death threats were leftwing”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 12:24 PM Is he wrong? Nope. A spot on summary of a legacy of disasters from The Clown. As usual all rhetoric and no responsibility *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-01-07 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 12:24 PM Is he wrong? Nope. A spot on summary of a legacy of disasters from The Clown. As usual all rhetoric and no responsibility *-) He is doing what he should be doing, holding our hapless PM to account and it appears he has him banged to rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-01-07 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 12:24 PM Is he wrong? Nope. A spot on summary of a legacy of disasters from The Clown. As usual all rhetoric and no responsibility *-) Here is some responsibility for you, Boris Johnson is responsible for more Covid deaths per capita than even America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:12 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Nope it was predominantly some of your far right mates, and those jailed were all Priti boys. There are in fact three people who have actually gone to prison after being convicted of race hate crimes against Berger, not one of whom is a leftwinger. They are Garron Helm (who received a four-week sentence in October 2014), Joshua Bonehill-Paine (two years in January 2016) and John Nimmo (two years and three months in February 2017). All of them were active fascists. It was the far-right cases that involved threats against Berger. In a sickening endorsement of Nazi mass murder, Garron Helm tweeted a photo of her with a yellow star superimposed on her forehead accompanied by the hashtag “Hitler was right”. John Nimmo issued explicit death threats against Berger, sending her a picture of a knife, warning her to “watch your back, Jewish scum” and declaring that “you will get it like Jo Cox”. Another fascist named Jack Coulson (who was sentenced to four years and eight months last July) was in fact convicted of a terrorist offence, but the police investigation into his far-right activities was initiated by an allegation that he had verbally threatened to kill Berger, reportedly saying he would would “get the bitch” and “put two bullets in the back of her head”. In her LBC interview Berger gave no information about the two instances in which leftwingers had been supposedly been “convicted of antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, apart from saying that one court case was from the end of last year and the other from 2013. Let us examine those cases in more detail. Last December a Corbyn supporter and former Labour Party member named Nick Nelson did receive a 20-week suspended prison sentence for sending abusive emails to Berger in which he described her as a “vile useless Tory ****”. Obviously this language was totally unacceptable (though not much more so, I would say, than denouncing Jeremy Corbyn to his face as “a fecking antisemite and a racist”, or shouting at Ken Livingstone that he’s “a fecking disgrace” and “a Nazi apologist”). But there were certainly no death threats involved, nor did the prosecution claim that the abuse was antisemitic. Nelson wasn’t charged with a racially aggravated offence but with “harassment without violence”. He is reportedly Jewish himself and one of his complaints against Berger was that she was “using Judaism as a weapon” against the party. In the second case where a leftwinger was convicted, a Merseyside music promoter named Philip Hayes subjected Berger to abuse after an argument about Israel’s policy in Gaza. In that instance the abuse was definitely antisemitic. Hayes drunkenly told Berger that he hated Jews and he pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence, receiving a £120 fine. Again, however, there were no death threats involved, or indeed any threat of violence at all. Berger now says she believes Hayes was a member of the Labour Party, although nobody mentioned that at the time. On top of which, the incident took place back in November 2012, long before Corbyn’s election as Labour leader and the outbreak of antisemitism in the party that supposedly followed his victory. So, of the two leftwingers who according to Berger were among those convicted of “antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, neither was charged with threatening behaviour and only one of the cases (which dates from over six years ago) involved antisemitism. Neither case was serious enough to merit a custodial sentence. Clearly there is a distinction to be made between the leftwing cases of abuse against Berger, reprehensible though they are, and the much more serious far-right ones. Her wilful failure to make such a distinction explains why Matt Carr could cite Berger as the source for his mistaken claim that “two of the six people convicted of sending death threats were leftwing”. Errr... Read again Farty ... The Labour Party Conference I mentioned was in 2018 ... Her Labour Party conference that she dare not attend without security ... Youve gone all Hollywood about sumat else way before that ... Makes for a good Hollywood script though ... Nice try but a really embarrassing fail ... What a loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 7:24 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:12 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Nope it was predominantly some of your far right mates, and those jailed were all Priti boys. There are in fact three people who have actually gone to prison after being convicted of race hate crimes against Berger, not one of whom is a leftwinger. They are Garron Helm (who received a four-week sentence in October 2014), Joshua Bonehill-Paine (two years in January 2016) and John Nimmo (two years and three months in February 2017). All of them were active fascists. It was the far-right cases that involved threats against Berger. In a sickening endorsement of Nazi mass murder, Garron Helm tweeted a photo of her with a yellow star superimposed on her forehead accompanied by the hashtag “Hitler was right”. John Nimmo issued explicit death threats against Berger, sending her a picture of a knife, warning her to “watch your back, Jewish scum” and declaring that “you will get it like Jo Cox”. Another fascist named Jack Coulson (who was sentenced to four years and eight months last July) was in fact convicted of a terrorist offence, but the police investigation into his far-right activities was initiated by an allegation that he had verbally threatened to kill Berger, reportedly saying he would would “get the bitch” and “put two bullets in the back of her head”. In her LBC interview Berger gave no information about the two instances in which leftwingers had been supposedly been “convicted of antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, apart from saying that one court case was from the end of last year and the other from 2013. Let us examine those cases in more detail. Last December a Corbyn supporter and former Labour Party member named Nick Nelson did receive a 20-week suspended prison sentence for sending abusive emails to Berger in which he described her as a “vile useless Tory ****”. Obviously this language was totally unacceptable (though not much more so, I would say, than denouncing Jeremy Corbyn to his face as “a fecking antisemite and a racist”, or shouting at Ken Livingstone that he’s “a fecking disgrace” and “a Nazi apologist”). But there were certainly no death threats involved, nor did the prosecution claim that the abuse was antisemitic. Nelson wasn’t charged with a racially aggravated offence but with “harassment without violence”. He is reportedly Jewish himself and one of his complaints against Berger was that she was “using Judaism as a weapon” against the party. In the second case where a leftwinger was convicted, a Merseyside music promoter named Philip Hayes subjected Berger to abuse after an argument about Israel’s policy in Gaza. In that instance the abuse was definitely antisemitic. Hayes drunkenly told Berger that he hated Jews and he pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence, receiving a £120 fine. Again, however, there were no death threats involved, or indeed any threat of violence at all. Berger now says she believes Hayes was a member of the Labour Party, although nobody mentioned that at the time. On top of which, the incident took place back in November 2012, long before Corbyn’s election as Labour leader and the outbreak of antisemitism in the party that supposedly followed his victory. So, of the two leftwingers who according to Berger were among those convicted of “antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, neither was charged with threatening behaviour and only one of the cases (which dates from over six years ago) involved antisemitism. Neither case was serious enough to merit a custodial sentence. Clearly there is a distinction to be made between the leftwing cases of abuse against Berger, reprehensible though they are, and the much more serious far-right ones. Her wilful failure to make such a distinction explains why Matt Carr could cite Berger as the source for his mistaken claim that “two of the six people convicted of sending death threats were leftwing”. Errr... Read again Farty ... The Labour Party Conference I mentioned was in 2018 ... Her Labour Party conference that she dare not attend without security ... Youve gone all Hollywood about sumat else way before that ... Makes for a good Hollywood script though ... Nice try but a really embarrassing fail ... What a loop Yes she made allegations at the 2018 LPC, but as the text I provided shows no one was ever charged or indeed found. The only left wing verbal assault linked to her was 2012, long before Corbyn was leader. The three jailed for threatening her were your right wing mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Violet1956 - 2021-01-07 3:28 PM Can't wait until Keir is our Prime Minister. I don't subscribe to any left or right wing tribe. All I want is someone that is competent to be the head of our government. Absolutely agree. Except not sure about looking forward to when Keir Starmer is Prime Minister because I have grave fears of the state the UK will be in by then. When I look at the damage BoJo has done in his first year and remember he has 4 more years to go 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 8:52 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 7:24 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:12 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Nope it was predominantly some of your far right mates, and those jailed were all Priti boys. There are in fact three people who have actually gone to prison after being convicted of race hate crimes against Berger, not one of whom is a leftwinger. They are Garron Helm (who received a four-week sentence in October 2014), Joshua Bonehill-Paine (two years in January 2016) and John Nimmo (two years and three months in February 2017). All of them were active fascists. It was the far-right cases that involved threats against Berger. In a sickening endorsement of Nazi mass murder, Garron Helm tweeted a photo of her with a yellow star superimposed on her forehead accompanied by the hashtag “Hitler was right”. John Nimmo issued explicit death threats against Berger, sending her a picture of a knife, warning her to “watch your back, Jewish scum” and declaring that “you will get it like Jo Cox”. Another fascist named Jack Coulson (who was sentenced to four years and eight months last July) was in fact convicted of a terrorist offence, but the police investigation into his far-right activities was initiated by an allegation that he had verbally threatened to kill Berger, reportedly saying he would would “get the bitch” and “put two bullets in the back of her head”. In her LBC interview Berger gave no information about the two instances in which leftwingers had been supposedly been “convicted of antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, apart from saying that one court case was from the end of last year and the other from 2013. Let us examine those cases in more detail. Last December a Corbyn supporter and former Labour Party member named Nick Nelson did receive a 20-week suspended prison sentence for sending abusive emails to Berger in which he described her as a “vile useless Tory ****”. Obviously this language was totally unacceptable (though not much more so, I would say, than denouncing Jeremy Corbyn to his face as “a fecking antisemite and a racist”, or shouting at Ken Livingstone that he’s “a fecking disgrace” and “a Nazi apologist”). But there were certainly no death threats involved, nor did the prosecution claim that the abuse was antisemitic. Nelson wasn’t charged with a racially aggravated offence but with “harassment without violence”. He is reportedly Jewish himself and one of his complaints against Berger was that she was “using Judaism as a weapon” against the party. In the second case where a leftwinger was convicted, a Merseyside music promoter named Philip Hayes subjected Berger to abuse after an argument about Israel’s policy in Gaza. In that instance the abuse was definitely antisemitic. Hayes drunkenly told Berger that he hated Jews and he pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence, receiving a £120 fine. Again, however, there were no death threats involved, or indeed any threat of violence at all. Berger now says she believes Hayes was a member of the Labour Party, although nobody mentioned that at the time. On top of which, the incident took place back in November 2012, long before Corbyn’s election as Labour leader and the outbreak of antisemitism in the party that supposedly followed his victory. So, of the two leftwingers who according to Berger were among those convicted of “antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, neither was charged with threatening behaviour and only one of the cases (which dates from over six years ago) involved antisemitism. Neither case was serious enough to merit a custodial sentence. Clearly there is a distinction to be made between the leftwing cases of abuse against Berger, reprehensible though they are, and the much more serious far-right ones. Her wilful failure to make such a distinction explains why Matt Carr could cite Berger as the source for his mistaken claim that “two of the six people convicted of sending death threats were leftwing”. Errr... Read again Farty ... The Labour Party Conference I mentioned was in 2018 ... Her Labour Party conference that she dare not attend without security ... Youve gone all Hollywood about sumat else way before that ... Makes for a good Hollywood script though ... Nice try but a really embarrassing fail ... What a loop Yes she made allegations at the 2018 LPC, but as the text I provided shows no one was ever charged or indeed found. The only left wing verbal assault linked to her was 2012, long before Corbyn was leader. The three jailed for threatening her were your right wing mates. Chuckle ... You seem desperate to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-08 6:12 AM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 8:52 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 7:24 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:12 PM Bulletguy - 2021-01-07 5:06 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 3:59 PM jumpstart - 2021-01-07 3:55 PM Its difficult not to take him seriously for the next PM slot. However our politics as with the US are in need of a cleanup. The Guardian: Lawyer calling for Dominic Cummings investigation forced to move after attacks on home. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/07/lawyer-calling-for-dominic-cummings-investigation-forced-to-move-after-attacks-on-home This sort of thing is unacceptable. Too right ... I remember a Jewish lady Labour MP who had to hire a private bodyguard ... To protect her at ........ The Labour Party Conference Luciana Berger was escorted by police to the conference after receiving sm threats and abuse which were publicly condemned by John McDonnell. Threats of acid attacks and rape from ........................................................ Errrrrr .....................Labour supporters ... No chuckle, Yuk Nope it was predominantly some of your far right mates, and those jailed were all Priti boys. There are in fact three people who have actually gone to prison after being convicted of race hate crimes against Berger, not one of whom is a leftwinger. They are Garron Helm (who received a four-week sentence in October 2014), Joshua Bonehill-Paine (two years in January 2016) and John Nimmo (two years and three months in February 2017). All of them were active fascists. It was the far-right cases that involved threats against Berger. In a sickening endorsement of Nazi mass murder, Garron Helm tweeted a photo of her with a yellow star superimposed on her forehead accompanied by the hashtag “Hitler was right”. John Nimmo issued explicit death threats against Berger, sending her a picture of a knife, warning her to “watch your back, Jewish scum” and declaring that “you will get it like Jo Cox”. Another fascist named Jack Coulson (who was sentenced to four years and eight months last July) was in fact convicted of a terrorist offence, but the police investigation into his far-right activities was initiated by an allegation that he had verbally threatened to kill Berger, reportedly saying he would would “get the bitch” and “put two bullets in the back of her head”. In her LBC interview Berger gave no information about the two instances in which leftwingers had been supposedly been “convicted of antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, apart from saying that one court case was from the end of last year and the other from 2013. Let us examine those cases in more detail. Last December a Corbyn supporter and former Labour Party member named Nick Nelson did receive a 20-week suspended prison sentence for sending abusive emails to Berger in which he described her as a “vile useless Tory ****”. Obviously this language was totally unacceptable (though not much more so, I would say, than denouncing Jeremy Corbyn to his face as “a fecking antisemite and a racist”, or shouting at Ken Livingstone that he’s “a fecking disgrace” and “a Nazi apologist”). But there were certainly no death threats involved, nor did the prosecution claim that the abuse was antisemitic. Nelson wasn’t charged with a racially aggravated offence but with “harassment without violence”. He is reportedly Jewish himself and one of his complaints against Berger was that she was “using Judaism as a weapon” against the party. In the second case where a leftwinger was convicted, a Merseyside music promoter named Philip Hayes subjected Berger to abuse after an argument about Israel’s policy in Gaza. In that instance the abuse was definitely antisemitic. Hayes drunkenly told Berger that he hated Jews and he pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence, receiving a £120 fine. Again, however, there were no death threats involved, or indeed any threat of violence at all. Berger now says she believes Hayes was a member of the Labour Party, although nobody mentioned that at the time. On top of which, the incident took place back in November 2012, long before Corbyn’s election as Labour leader and the outbreak of antisemitism in the party that supposedly followed his victory. So, of the two leftwingers who according to Berger were among those convicted of “antisemitic threats and abuse” against her, neither was charged with threatening behaviour and only one of the cases (which dates from over six years ago) involved antisemitism. Neither case was serious enough to merit a custodial sentence. Clearly there is a distinction to be made between the leftwing cases of abuse against Berger, reprehensible though they are, and the much more serious far-right ones. Her wilful failure to make such a distinction explains why Matt Carr could cite Berger as the source for his mistaken claim that “two of the six people convicted of sending death threats were leftwing”. Errr... Read again Farty ... The Labour Party Conference I mentioned was in 2018 ... Her Labour Party conference that she dare not attend without security ... Youve gone all Hollywood about sumat else way before that ... Makes for a good Hollywood script though ... Nice try but a really embarrassing fail ... What a loop Yes she made allegations at the 2018 LPC, but as the text I provided shows no one was ever charged or indeed found. The only left wing verbal assault linked to her was 2012, long before Corbyn was leader. The three jailed for threatening her were your right wing mates. Chuckle ... You seem desperate to defend Chuckle.....You seem desperate to deflect. Especially when confronted with facts that you cannot refute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 7:21 PM teflon2 - 2021-01-07 6:41 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 12:24 PM Is he wrong? Nope. A spot on summary of a legacy of disasters from The Clown. As usual all rhetoric and no responsibility *-)[/QUO Here is some responsibility for you, Boris Johnson is responsible for more Covid deaths per capita than even America So according to you Boris caused the corona-virus and there was me thinking it was the Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Boris is responsible for the nations response to CV19, after all how many times has he taken personal charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-08 8:20 PM Boris is responsible for the nations response to CV19, after all how many times has he taken personal charge I like your sense of humor, quote from Wiki on private eye "resembles in format and content a comic" and the tweet is plagarised directly from that stalwart of the truth "The Guardian " (?) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-01-09 6:05 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-08 8:20 PM Boris is responsible for the nations response to CV19, after all how many times has he taken personal charge I like your sense of humor, quote from Wiki on private eye "resembles in format and content a comic" and the tweet is plagarised directly from that stalwart of the truth "The Guardian " (?) . Well, albeit you don't trust either source, that doesn't make either actually wrong, does it? Pure ad-hom, or whatever an argument against a publication, rather than its reported facts, is to be called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-09 6:37 PM teflon2 - 2021-01-09 6:05 PM CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-08 8:20 PM Boris is responsible for the nations response to CV19, after all how many times has he taken personal charge I like your sense of humor, quote from Wiki on private eye "resembles in format and content a comic" and the tweet is plagarised directly from that stalwart of the truth "The Guardian " (?) . Well, albeit you don't trust either source, that doesn't make either actually wrong, does it? Pure ad-hom, or whatever an argument against a publication, rather than its reported facts, is to be called. No Brian it does not but it illustrates the bias and blinkered attitude of modern day publications. I do not have any favorite or political biased readings I consider that all newspapers only reflect the political bias of either their owners or editors as to what they report. My attitudes are a reflection of many years of the results of either political party and my opinion is that most times the conservatives have given the better outcome. I would draw you attention to the fact that the Oxford anti-virus was supported with finance by this government, that we created a massive medical unit in 7 days that this government was one of the first to gain allocation of large amounts of antiviral products for the benefit of our population even that despite much antipathy by global countries that we rushed the certification of some antivirus agents they are only just coming to the same results our virologists with government aid came to earlier, which the left biased publications gloss over because heaven forbid Boris did the right thing My observation of Sir Starmer is that although he begins his speeches with what seems to be reason he quickly moves into critical mode. While constructive criticism is to be welcomed I have yet to observe a constructive criticism from him. As a final comment the Chinese released this virus on the world so they are responsible no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-01-10 7:14 PM that we created a massive medical unit in 7 days Care to explain why none of those massive medical units or Nightingale Hospitals to give them their correct PR name, built at a cost of £220 million has yet to be used? I'll help you out, at the start of this disaster the NHS had a shortage of 40,000 nurses and 11,000 doctors, reflecting the way in which it has been run by this Tory government for the last ten years. For the Xcel hospital in Docklands to operate at full capacity 24/7 it would need 16,000 staff. Although the Tories can play magic numbers they cannot actually magic real doctors and nurses. Ask yourself why we are world beating in the number of Covid deaths per capita? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 teflon2 - 2021-01-10 7:14 PM we rushed the certification of some antivirus agents they are only just coming to the same results our virologists with government aid came to earlier, Did it occur to you they might be testing it out on us first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-10 7:34 PM teflon2 - 2021-01-10 7:14 PM that we created a massive medical unit in 7 days Care to explain why none of those massive medical units or Nightingale Hospitals to give them their correct PR name, built at a cost of £220 million has yet to be used? I'll help you out, at the start of this disaster the NHS had a shortage of 40,000 nurses and 11,000 doctors, reflecting the way in which it has been run by this Tory government for the last ten years. For the Xcel hospital in Docklands to operate at full capacity 24/7 it would need 16,000 staff. Although the Tories can play magic numbers they cannot actually magic real doctors and nurses. Ask yourself why we are world beating in the number of Covid deaths per capita?[/QUOT I do not know where you get your information but according to Statista our position while not good is 7th in the world and by the same organisation 4th in Europe. When you consider that we have the 2nd highest population density in Europe and how contagious this latest virus mutation is also the amount of stupidity shown by younger generations they need to pay attention to the rules. It could be even worse As to the Xcel hospital it's a precaution against the normal hospitals becoming overwhelmed as to staffing I have no doubt that the armed forces medical units who have battlefield experience and are well trained will be called in and no doubt they will find the peaceful and well laid out facilities a sinecure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.