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userantony1969
Posted: 15 January 2019 9:37 AM
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Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops
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Posted: 15 January 2019 10:26 AM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops


If thats true and I have my doubts then they really (still) dont know what they are voting for. A town that relies on manufacturing, Nissan and is not exactly the wealthiest North east city that will be the hardest hit in the country in a no deal Brexit and 70% want no deal!! If it really is a true reflection of Sunderland when as you say we supposedly are now better informed then they really are as thick as mince.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 12:01 PM
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What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do
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Posted: 15 January 2019 1:37 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-15 1:39 PM
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Posted: 15 January 2019 3:29 PM
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I'm dipping in and out of the debate in Parliament today. Some notable speeches from all sides. Geoffrey Cox and Hilary Benn stand out for me. I'm in two, three or four minds!
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Posted: 15 January 2019 3:41 PM
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Short and sweet Dominic Grieve just now. My gut tells me he's the one talking most sense.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 4:00 PM
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The great problem with which, Veronica, is that if you saw "Brexit - the uncivil war" (of course to be taken with a pinch of salt - but nevertheless with many instances that chimed with memory) it is not talking sense that counts in this matter, but stirring emotion - irrespective of whether that stirring is based on fact, error, lies or sheer fantasy.

It seems it matters little whether the initial claim is subsequently contested, it is the first statement that people remember - later corrections just go into the mental bin. On which sad basis, electioneering (referendumeering?) is just a cynic's charter.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 4:10 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 1:37 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit
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Posted: 15 January 2019 4:29 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 4:00 PM

The great problem with which, Veronica, is that if you saw "Brexit - the uncivil war" (of course to be taken with a pinch of salt - but nevertheless with many instances that chimed with memory) it is not talking sense that counts in this matter, but stirring emotion - irrespective of whether that stirring is based on fact, error, lies or sheer fantasy.

It seems it matters little whether the initial claim is subsequently contested, it is the first statement that people remember - later corrections just go into the mental bin. On which sad basis, electioneering (referendumeering?) is just a cynic's charter.


I haven't seen "Brexit- the uncivil war" it so I must get it on "catch up". Don't you think that for the majority it is a feeling in one's gut because the ramifications and the complexity of it all are beyond most of us? I see a decision to support or reject Brexit as a leap of faith. There are too many variables for me so it comes down to how I feel about it. I suspect that it is the same for my friends and family who are a mixture of for and against.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 4:42 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 4:10 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 1:37 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 4:49 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 4:00 PM

The great problem with which, Veronica, is that if you saw "Brexit - the uncivil war" (of course to be taken with a pinch of salt - but nevertheless with many instances that chimed with memory) it is not talking sense that counts in this matter, but stirring emotion - irrespective of whether that stirring is based on fact, error, lies or sheer fantasy.

It seems it matters little whether the initial claim is subsequently contested, it is the first statement that people remember - later corrections just go into the mental bin. On which sad basis, electioneering (referendumeering?) is just a cynic's charter.


Totally agree and the drama highlighted that well. Its for this reason I have started to wonder if we would win a second vote because its all way too emotional. People will just believe what they want to believe now even if the facts are staring them right in the face and whoever comes out with the most spectacular lies and guff that supports their stance such as Free Unicorns for all if we Brexit will win the day.

In theory it should be like shooting fish in a barrel now challenging the Brexit lies in a second campaign as they have all been debunked but even when the lies have been proved to be lies people still want to believe the lies because their emotions have taken over.

The country (well half of it) have entered some kind of Alice in Wonderland adventure or are all on drugs I dunno which.

Maybe the only route to prove what a disaster it really all will be is just to pull the plug and walk away and let Brexit unfold and burn the country to the ground.
userViolet1956
Posted: 15 January 2019 4:56 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 4:49 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 4:00 PM

The great problem with which, Veronica, is that if you saw "Brexit - the uncivil war" (of course to be taken with a pinch of salt - but nevertheless with many instances that chimed with memory) it is not talking sense that counts in this matter, but stirring emotion - irrespective of whether that stirring is based on fact, error, lies or sheer fantasy.

It seems it matters little whether the initial claim is subsequently contested, it is the first statement that people remember - later corrections just go into the mental bin. On which sad basis, electioneering (referendumeering?) is just a cynic's charter.


Totally agree and the drama highlighted that well. Its for this reason I have started to wonder if we would win a second vote because its all way too emotional. People will just believe what they want to believe now even if the facts are staring them right in the face and whoever comes out with the most spectacular lies and guff that supports their stance such as Free Unicorns for all if we Brexit will win the day.

In theory it should be like shooting fish in a barrel now challenging the Brexit lies in a second campaign as they have all been debunked but even when the lies have been proved to be lies people still want to believe the lies because their emotions have taken over.

The country (well half of it) have entered some kind of Alice in Wonderland adventure or are all on drugs I dunno which.

Maybe the only route to prove what a disaster it really all will be is just to pull the plug and walk away and let Brexit unfold and burn the country to the ground.

Spoken from the heart and the head Barry.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 5:11 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-15 4:29 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 4:00 PM

The great problem with which, Veronica, is that if you saw "Brexit - the uncivil war" (of course to be taken with a pinch of salt - but nevertheless with many instances that chimed with memory) it is not talking sense that counts in this matter, but stirring emotion - irrespective of whether that stirring is based on fact, error, lies or sheer fantasy.

It seems it matters little whether the initial claim is subsequently contested, it is the first statement that people remember - later corrections just go into the mental bin. On which sad basis, electioneering (referendumeering?) is just a cynic's charter.


I haven't seen "Brexit- the uncivil war" it so I must get it on "catch up". Don't you think that for the majority it is a feeling in one's gut because the ramifications and the complexity of it all are beyond most of us? I see a decision to support or reject Brexit as a leap of faith. There are too many variables for me so it comes down to how I feel about it. I suspect that it is the same for my friends and family who are a mixture of for and against.

I imagine politics will now be strictly off limits at any family/friends gatherings due to this.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 5:24 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-15 4:29 PM


. There are too many variables for me so it comes down to how I feel about it. I suspect that it is the same for my friends and family who are a mixture of for and against.




Seems to me that the campaign of lies on one side against a campaign of scaremongering on the other side have cancelled each other out.

So most people have stuck with their original opinions.

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Posted: 15 January 2019 7:42 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.


Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote
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Posted: 15 January 2019 7:50 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops

So why did they vote Brexit, Antony? You seem to understand, but I still don't get it. Can you explain, for a bear of very little brain, please? No-one ever seems to want to say. If I knew, I might even begin to understand.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 8:59 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 10:53 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........



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Posted: 15 January 2019 11:22 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-15 11:22 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.


You shouldn't believe that Remoaner propaganda bilge Barry ..........

My reports from the coalface say that the UK PLC is doing very nicely ..........

Plus our gdp is still growing .......unlike some other EU countries .........

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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.


You shouldn't believe that Remoaner propaganda bilge Barry ..........

My reports from the coalface say that the UK PLC is doing very nicely ..........

Plus our gdp is still growing .......unlike some other EU countries .........

Your "coalface" has just suffered a massive shaft collapse......the worst defeat in history.
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Posted: 15 January 2019 11:38 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-15 11:35 PM

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antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.


You shouldn't believe that Remoaner propaganda bilge Barry ..........

My reports from the coalface say that the UK PLC is doing very nicely ..........

Plus our gdp is still growing .......unlike some other EU countries .........

Your "coalface" has just suffered a massive shaft collapse......the worst defeat in history.


Nope.......the coalface I refer to are people who run businesses in the soft furnishings sector, the kind of businesses that would be the first to notice any slow down ...........

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I was born 3 miles from Sunderland and as a leaver. I can assure the forum that I am not 'as thick as mince'.

I have also genuinely worked 'at the Coalface'. I found it preferable to being part of the EU.
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pelmetman - 2019-01-15 11:38 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-15 11:35 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-15 11:26 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 11:22 PM

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 8:59 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 7:42 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 4:42 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 4:10 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 1:37 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.


You shouldn't believe that Remoaner propaganda bilge Barry ..........

My reports from the coalface say that the UK PLC is doing very nicely ..........

Plus our gdp is still growing .......unlike some other EU countries .........

Your "coalface" has just suffered a massive shaft collapse......the worst defeat in history.


Nope.......the coalface I refer to are people who run businesses in the soft furnishings sector, the kind of businesses that would be the first to notice any slow down ...........

I don't think puffs and curtains is enough to keep the country from going to hell in a handbasket. How about you go and talk to some of those thousands of car workers faced with losing their jobs and see what they think of your 'coalface report'?
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747 - 2019-01-15 11:41 PM

I was born 3 miles from Sunderland and as a leaver. I can assure the forum that I am not 'as thick as mince'.

I have also genuinely worked 'at the Coalface'. I found it preferable to being part of the EU.


Straight from thee hosses marth Brian ... You could do worse than asking a respected fellow member and Sunderland type person like 74777 why Sunderland looks like it prefers a no deal
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Posted: 16 January 2019 8:49 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 7:50 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops

So why did they vote Brexit, Antony? You seem to understand, but I still don't get it. Can you explain, for a bear of very little brain, please? No-one ever seems to want to say. If I knew, I might even begin to understand.


Well, understand this Brian:

Barrry keeps harping on about shooting ourselves in the foot because we will lose the Nissan factory in Sunderland. If Nissan does go (and it will), the biggest employer in the area will be Sunderland Council. This is the same Council who paid most of the costs to build the Nissan factory in the first place, which means WE (the local people) paid for it.

If you take into account a number of factors ..... traditional high unemployment, an influx of EU citizens, migrants from other parts of the World, shortage of housing (exacerbated by migrants) and no sign of any change in these circumstances ...... then no wonder there has been a revolt against the EU.

Perhaps if they were given the same prospects as those in East Sussex, it may have been a different result in the referendum. Our staple industries disappeared over a number of years. Mining, Shipbuilding and Steel, hundreds of thousands of jobs went, turning some areas into wastelands of high unemployment without hope.

You can preach about Brexit if you like but it is only from one perspective. Unless you understand what it is like to be in the position of the Sunderland (and other North East areas) people, then you just sound like a privileged Southerner with no clue. You sound like Barry in that you have never been in their position.
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747 - 2019-01-16 8:49 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 7:50 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops

So why did they vote Brexit, Antony? You seem to understand, but I still don't get it. Can you explain, for a bear of very little brain, please? No-one ever seems to want to say. If I knew, I might even begin to understand.


Well, understand this Brian:

Barrry keeps harping on about shooting ourselves in the foot because we will lose the Nissan factory in Sunderland. If Nissan does go (and it will), the biggest employer in the area will be Sunderland Council. This is the same Council who paid most of the costs to build the Nissan factory in the first place, which means WE (the local people) paid for it.

If you take into account a number of factors ..... traditional high unemployment, an influx of EU citizens, migrants from other parts of the World, shortage of housing (exacerbated by migrants) and no sign of any change in these circumstances ...... then no wonder there has been a revolt against the EU.

Perhaps if they were given the same prospects as those in East Sussex, it may have been a different result in the referendum. Our staple industries disappeared over a number of years. Mining, Shipbuilding and Steel, hundreds of thousands of jobs went, turning some areas into wastelands of high unemployment without hope.

You can preach about Brexit if you like but it is only from one perspective. Unless you understand what it is like to be in the position of the Sunderland (and other North East areas) people, then you just sound like a privileged Southerner with no clue. You sound like Barry in that you have never been in their position.


Speaking as a Southerner.............Well said .........



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Bulletguy - 2019-01-15 11:57 PM

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pelmetman - 2019-01-15 11:26 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 11:22 PM

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 8:59 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 7:42 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 4:42 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 4:10 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-15 1:37 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 12:01 PM

What exactly are you doubting ??? Is it the Sunderland Echo ??? ... Maybe the "thick as mince" Sunderland lot don't fall for the misery forecasts you do


Well I seem to remember posting something from the Sunderland Echo and another Poll on Sunderland not long ago that reported a shift to remain so one of them is complete bollox.

It might be right Antony who knows? I watched a BBC clip just now in the gym where they talked to people in Great Yarmouth about Brexit and how they feel now two and a half years later and most of them were adamant as ever but just didnt have a fecking clue about any of it. It was like we had gone back in a time machine to June 2016 or a bit like being at the Panto where your shouting out that the villain is behind you but the dim idiot on stage cannot see him.

I honestly think these people have no more idea about what Brexit means now than they did back in 2016. A second referendum and a new campaign though would perhaps focus their minds a bit and perhaps bring them up to speed. Places like Sunderland and Great Yarmouth will just sink under a no deal Brexit or probably any kind of Brexit.

If all that sounds a bit condescending then I wont be apologising. I said over two years ago I felt sorry for people in those towns and cities that voted to make themselves poorer after being fed a raft of lies and promises of Unicorns. If they havent bothered to get up to speed and realise what they are about do to themselves and their towns by supporting a no deal Brexit then thats their lookout.


Very condescending yes ... You base your Sunderland will be poorer theory on you being correct on all things Brexit but with respect you've not got a great track record for that on here regarding Brexit


Examples please.



Where do you want me to start Barry , the very beginning and how you told us we would be in the sh!t immediately after the vote


We are in the s**t! Next.


Look on the bright side ........There's a recession coming and you'll be able to blame it on Brexit ............

Germany's already in recession, and no doubt that's Brexits fault? .........





Well if its coming anyway as has already been said, its probably not a good idea to put ourselves in a much weaker position beforehand is it? We are already between £400-500m a week worse off and we havent left yet. If those economic forecasts are even remotely accurate about the No Deal Brexit you desire and we have to cope with a further down turn as well then I guess the sunlit uplands aint happening.


You shouldn't believe that Remoaner propaganda bilge Barry ..........

My reports from the coalface say that the UK PLC is doing very nicely ..........

Plus our gdp is still growing .......unlike some other EU countries .........

Your "coalface" has just suffered a massive shaft collapse......the worst defeat in history.


Nope.......the coalface I refer to are people who run businesses in the soft furnishings sector, the kind of businesses that would be the first to notice any slow down ...........

I don't think puffs and curtains is enough to keep the country from going to hell in a handbasket. How about you go and talk to some of those thousands of car workers faced with losing their jobs and see what they think of your 'coalface report'?


Soft furnishings are a non essential purchase ...........

So from experience I know when the country is in recession .........

With regard to the car industry that is in terminal decline in its present form regardless of Brexit .........

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Posted: 16 January 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: Sunderland
 


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747 - 2019-01-16 8:49 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 7:50 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops

So why did they vote Brexit, Antony? You seem to understand, but I still don't get it. Can you explain, for a bear of very little brain, please? No-one ever seems to want to say. If I knew, I might even begin to understand.


Well, understand this Brian:

Barrry keeps harping on about shooting ourselves in the foot because we will lose the Nissan factory in Sunderland. If Nissan does go (and it will), the biggest employer in the area will be Sunderland Council. This is the same Council who paid most of the costs to build the Nissan factory in the first place, which means WE (the local people) paid for it.

If you take into account a number of factors ..... traditional high unemployment, an influx of EU citizens, migrants from other parts of the World, shortage of housing (exacerbated by migrants) and no sign of any change in these circumstances ...... then no wonder there has been a revolt against the EU.

Perhaps if they were given the same prospects as those in East Sussex, it may have been a different result in the referendum. Our staple industries disappeared over a number of years. Mining, Shipbuilding and Steel, hundreds of thousands of jobs went, turning some areas into wastelands of high unemployment without hope.

You can preach about Brexit if you like but it is only from one perspective. Unless you understand what it is like to be in the position of the Sunderland (and other North East areas) people, then you just sound like a privileged Southerner with no clue. You sound like Barry in that you have never been in their position.



Something doesn’t add up 747. Why the influx of EU citizens, are they all on the dole? Here’s an article I found on what the EU has done for the North East. I am not denying that the decline of heavy industry hit the NE hard but will exiting the EU make anything better. Seems not if you read the article. And before you observe that I am one of the privileged Southerners I come from Scunthorpe originally and my dad was a steelworker and lost his job back in the 70s.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/what-european-union-ever-done-11480870
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Posted: 16 January 2019 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Sunderland
 


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Violet1956 - 2019-01-16 9:21 AM

747 - 2019-01-16 8:49 AM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-15 7:50 PM

antony1969 - 2019-01-15 9:37 AM

Seems Brexit Barry is confused ... Despite telling us constantly how folk didn't know what they were voting for it now seems the good people of Sunderland who voted by 60% to leave now they are better informed would according to the latest Sunderland Echo poll vote by 70% to leave with no deal ... Oooops

So why did they vote Brexit, Antony? You seem to understand, but I still don't get it. Can you explain, for a bear of very little brain, please? No-one ever seems to want to say. If I knew, I might even begin to understand.


Well, understand this Brian:

Barrry keeps harping on about shooting ourselves in the foot because we will lose the Nissan factory in Sunderland. If Nissan does go (and it will), the biggest employer in the area will be Sunderland Council. This is the same Council who paid most of the costs to build the Nissan factory in the first place, which means WE (the local people) paid for it.

If you take into account a number of factors ..... traditional high unemployment, an influx of EU citizens, migrants from other parts of the World, shortage of housing (exacerbated by migrants) and no sign of any change in these circumstances ...... then no wonder there has been a revolt against the EU.

Perhaps if they were given the same prospects as those in East Sussex, it may have been a different result in the referendum. Our staple industries disappeared over a number of years. Mining, Shipbuilding and Steel, hundreds of thousands of jobs went, turning some areas into wastelands of high unemployment without hope.

You can preach about Brexit if you like but it is only from one perspective. Unless you understand what it is like to be in the position of the Sunderland (and other North East areas) people, then you just sound like a privileged Southerner with no clue. You sound like Barry in that you have never been in their position.



Something doesn’t add up 747. Why the influx of EU citizens, are they all on the dole? Here’s an article I found on what the EU has done for the North East. I am not denying that the decline of heavy industry hit the NE hard but will exiting the EU make anything better. Seems not if you read the article. And before you observe that I am one of the privileged Southerners I come from Scunthorpe originally and my dad was a steelworker and lost his job back in the 70s.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/what-european-union-ever-done-11480870


Seems more like a list of where the EU spent OUR money ...........

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