Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Brexiteers often say its not about the money while constantly banging on about the money we send to the EU. Have a read of this. Its astonishing. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389 New bus required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 If we had been told the likely cost of the Second World War would you say we should have had second thoughts about entering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 10:57 AM Brexiteers often say its not about the money while constantly banging on about the money we send to the EU. Have a read of this. Its astonishing. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389 New bus required. Its not just about the money for me but if you laid every economist in the world from end to end they wouldn't reach a conclusion. Since the election business confidence has never been higher. Of course three years of blocking the will of the people created uncertainty but now the dam has been breached and investment will flood in. The biggest threat facing companies and the reason for lack of investment wasn't Brexit but fear of Corbyn. That's all gone now and in a survey from investments giant Blackrock they believe that the UK will outperform the EU over the next year. You're going to look pretty daft when the UK becomes a thriving independent nation, free of the shackles and the sclerotic economy of the failing European Union. And when we've shown how it can be done, mark my words, we won't be the last to exit this disaster. This is a long-term project. I don't care if in the first year or two the uncertainty has stifled economic growth. What matters is the next twenty years and in that time we'll be richer, more free and with a stronger currency. The EU in the meantime will have collapsed under the weight of its own empire-building and ambition, and its chronic mismanagement and overspending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-01-12 11:48 AM If we had been told the likely cost of the Second World War would you say we should have had second thoughts about entering. You make an excellent point. Regrettably, yes they would have done. And the Corbyn types would have refused to fight Hitler and explained to us that all is needed is a nice chat with him and he'd have abandoned his plans to conquer Europe. The really thick ones would have told us to abandon our principles and let Hitler and Stalin fight it out and stay neutral. They're too dim to understand that the victor would have been immensely strong and would have rolled over Britain in no time. We'd now be speaking German or Russian and have starved to death under Stalin or been slave labourers under Hitler. Although of course Jeremy, if he'd been around, would have had a little chat and everyone would have dropped their plans and committed to world peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-01-12 10:48 AM If we had been told the likely cost of the Second World War would you say we should have had second thoughts about entering. No because we had to fight that war and the vast majority were behind it despite FunnyJohns attempt above to try and make out that everyone who was against Brexit is a surrender monkey lefty that would have apposed the war which is complete bollox although he might be right about Corbyn himself. We didnt need to Brexit though and certainly the majority are not behind it, 50% at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:05 AM Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 10:57 AM Brexiteers often say its not about the money while constantly banging on about the money we send to the EU. Have a read of this. Its astonishing. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389 New bus required. Its not just about the money for me but if you laid every economist in the world from end to end they wouldn't reach a conclusion. Since the election business confidence has never been higher. Of course three years of blocking the will of the people created uncertainty but now the dam has been breached and investment will flood in. The biggest threat facing companies and the reason for lack of investment wasn't Brexit but fear of Corbyn. That's all gone now and in a survey from investments giant Blackrock they believe that the UK will outperform the EU over the next year. You're going to look pretty daft when the UK becomes a thriving independent nation, free of the shackles and the sclerotic economy of the failing European Union. And when we've shown how it can be done, mark my words, we won't be the last to exit this disaster. This is a long-term project. I don't care if in the first year or two the uncertainty has stifled economic growth. What matters is the next twenty years and in that time we'll be richer, more free and with a stronger currency. The EU in the meantime will have collapsed under the weight of its own empire-building and ambition, and its chronic mismanagement and overspending. Well we have seen on here recently that the vast majority of economists did indeed reach a conclusion over Brexit and that conclusion was that it would be bad for the UK economy. So far it seems it has been. I suspect there will be a bit of growth and a lull in 2020 but thats because there is some certainty and of course because we havent left, we will still be (all but in name) in the EU all of this year. Your happy to wait 20 years to see some benefits but I assume your a wealthy motorhomer. Im not so sure the new raft of bright eyed working class Tory voters will be ok with that. I think they will be expecting benefits by February. Im sure they wont be happy if their factories go or they end up with another decade of austerity. I guess we wont know the true cost of Brexit until we finally leave properly in 2021 (Assuming thats what happens). I am indeed going to look incredibly daft if it all turns out to be a huge success. I am totally fine with that and I sincerely hope that is what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 We were due to enter the euro but decided it wasn’t worth it. You could argue that the decision was not in keeping with being in the European project. So we have only really dabbled with inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:05 AM The biggest threat facing companies and the reason for lack of investment wasn't Brexit but fear of Corbyn. So why did the pound fall when F*ck Business BoJo 'won' *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:11 AM The really thick ones would have told us to abandon our principles and let Hitler and Stalin fight it out and stay neutral. They're too dim to understand that the victor would have been immensely strong Yeah, 2 armies annihilating each other would have made the 'victor' stronger wouldn't it *-) Wheras starving ourselves to send Stalin our supplies, and attacking his enemy for him, left him too weak to threaten us *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 1:42 PM FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:11 AM The really thick ones would have told us to abandon our principles and let Hitler and Stalin fight it out and stay neutral. They're too dim to understand that the victor would have been immensely strong Yeah, 2 armies annihilating each other would have made the 'victor' stronger wouldn't it *-) Wheras starving ourselves to send Stalin our supplies, and attacking his enemy for him, left him too weak to threaten us *-) Except one side could have won and emerged ruler of Europe. And the USSR did win anyway and we've seen how they then went on to swallow up most of Eastern Europe. You live in some weird parallel universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-01-12 12:19 PM We were due to enter the euro but decided it wasn’t worth it. You could argue that the decision was not in keeping with being in the European project. So we have only really dabbled with inclusion. I think you could argue that we were never wholeheartedly "in". We had (have) more opt outs than any other member. I think a lot of people maybe never realised that. We actually had a pretty good deal. Of course it now depends on Brexit being a huge success as to whether people will wake up to the fact that what we had was actually pretty dammed good. I doubt however if we have to eat humble pie and rejoin we will get all the opt outs but perhaps that will be for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:05 AM The biggest threat facing companies and the reason for lack of investment wasn't Brexit but fear of Corbyn. So why did the pound fall when F*ck Business BoJo 'won' *-) Is that the pound that's hovering around the highest point that it's been for a year? Now that companies know that we're not going to have a Marxist who, as usual, will trash the economy, many are already hiring and expanding. Fear of Comrade Corbyn and his fellow travellers has been responsible for business not investing. Thank God we're now safe from the evils of Socialism for a generation, if not forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 12:43 PM jumpstart - 2020-01-12 10:48 AM If we had been told the likely cost of the Second World War would you say we shunould have had second thoughts about entering. No because we had to fight that war and the vast majority were behind it despite FunnyJohns attempt above to try and make out that everyone who was against Brexit is a surrender monkey lefty that would have apposed the war which is complete bollox although he might be right about Corbyn himself. We didnt need to Brexit though and certainly the majority are not behind it, 50% at best. I have never said that Brexiteers are cowardly pacifists who would let any of our enemies walk over us. I was writing about Marxist Corbynistas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I saw some polls recently that seemed to suggest “ youngsters” wanted a chance to get back in within 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 12:54 PM John52 - 2020-01-12 1:42 PM FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:11 AM The really thick ones would have told us to abandon our principles and let Hitler and Stalin fight it out and stay neutral. They're too dim to understand that the victor would have been immensely strong Yeah, 2 armies annihilating each other would have made the 'victor' stronger wouldn't it *-) Wheras starving ourselves to send Stalin our supplies, and attacking his enemy for him, left him too weak to threaten us *-) Except one side could have won and emerged ruler of Europe. And the USSR did win anyway and we've seen how they then went on to swallow up most of Eastern Europe. You live in some weird parallel universe. In his VE Day speech, Churchill didn't mention the lads who had the worst job of the war on the Arctic Convoys, because their following his orders to support Stalin had become an embarrassment to him. Portillo's secret Britain TV series revealed that at the end of WW2, Churchilll wanted us to join the remnants of Hitler's Army to fight Stalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM So why did the pound fall when F*ck Business BoJo 'won' *-) FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 1:00 PM Is that the pound that's hovering around the highest point that it's been for a year? . *-) Thats not an answer is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 3:05 PM John52 - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM So why did the pound fall when F*ck Business BoJo 'won' *-) FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 1:00 PM Is that the pound that's hovering around the highest point that it's been for a year? . *-) Thats not an answer is it Of course it's an answer. Now that Johnson is PM the pound has hovered around the highest point for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 3:04 PM FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 12:54 PM John52 - 2020-01-12 1:42 PM FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 11:11 AM The really thick ones would have told us to abandon our principles and let Hitler and Stalin fight it out and stay neutral. They're too dim to understand that the victor would have been immensely strong Yeah, 2 armies annihilating each other would have made the 'victor' stronger wouldn't it *-) Wheras starving ourselves to send Stalin our supplies, and attacking his enemy for him, left him too weak to threaten us *-) Except one side could have won and emerged ruler of Europe. And the USSR did win anyway and we've seen how they then went on to swallow up most of Eastern Europe. You live in some weird parallel universe. In his VE Day speech, Churchill didn't mention the lads who had the worst job of the war on the Arctic Convoys, because their following his orders to support Stalin had become an embarrassment to him. Portillo's secret Britain TV series revealed that at the end of WW2, Churchilll wanted us to join the remnants of Hitler's Army to fight Stalin. You're getting even better at whataboutery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM I saw some polls recently that seemed to suggest “ youngsters” wanted a chance to get back in within 10 years. Without doubt. Brexit generally was driven and supported by the older generation. The younger you were the less likely you were to vote leave and vice versa. Trouble is its the younger generation that will have to live with it so if it goes badly then I think its fairly certain we will be rejoining especially when you consider many that supported it will have popped their clogs and more younger pro Europe youngsters will have become old enough to vote. Young people in general see it as a backward insular step and I agree with them. Its robbed them of a lot of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 3:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM I saw some polls recently that seemed to suggest “ youngsters” wanted a chance to get back in within 10 years. Without doubt. Brexit generally was driven and supported by the older generation. The younger you were the less likely you were to vote leave and vice versa. Trouble is its the younger generation that will have to live with it so if it goes badly then I think its fairly certain we will be rejoining especially when you consider many that supported it will have popped their clogs and more younger pro Europe youngsters will have become old enough to vote. Young people in general see it as a backward insular step and I agree with them. Its robbed them of a lot of opportunity. What has the average British youngster been robbed of? I wonder how youngsters cope in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, NZ and the US? Somehow they manage to have vibrant economies without being in the EU. And in twenty years those who are thirty will be fifty. This myth about older people popping off and young people being in a majority is nonsense. Young people become old people and enjoy the wisdom and experience that we have. How many ignorant youngsters worshipped Corbyn because they knew nothing of his past and the past failures of Socialism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 John52 - 2020-01-12 2:04 PM In his VE Day speech, Churchill didn't mention the lads who had the worst job of the war on the Arctic Convoys, because their following his orders to support Stalin had become an embarrassment to him. Portillo's secret Britain TV series revealed that at the end of WW2, Churchilll wanted us to join the remnants of Hitler's Army to fight Stalin. As far as I can see, in his VE Day speech, Churchill didn't mention the Army, Navy or Air Force by name - but he did praise " our great Russian allies " :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 2:30 PM Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 3:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM I saw some polls recently that seemed to suggest “ youngsters” wanted a chance to get back in within 10 years. Without doubt. Brexit generally was driven and supported by the older generation. The younger you were the less likely you were to vote leave and vice versa. Trouble is its the younger generation that will have to live with it so if it goes badly then I think its fairly certain we will be rejoining especially when you consider many that supported it will have popped their clogs and more younger pro Europe youngsters will have become old enough to vote. Young people in general see it as a backward insular step and I agree with them. Its robbed them of a lot of opportunity. What has the average British youngster been robbed of? I wonder how youngsters cope in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, NZ and the US? Somehow they manage to have vibrant economies without being in the EU. And in twenty years those who are thirty will be fifty. This myth about older people popping off and young people being in a majority is nonsense. Young people become old people and enjoy the wisdom and experience that we have. How many ignorant youngsters worshipped Corbyn because they knew nothing of his past and the past failures of Socialism? Well if you cant see what young people have been robbed off then you have kind of backed up my point about being insular and Brexit being a backward step. What about only this week we hear The Tories have decided not to include access to the brilliant Erasmus scheme in any negotiations? That just smacks of pettiness to me (I assume you know what it is). So there we go, one prime example there. We also have on hand 27 countries of opportunity for young people to go and work and live and expand their opportunities, skills and culture. Most of the important scientific collaborations and research groups will go up in smoke as well. As for other countries, just about any major country is part of some kind of trading bloc offering opportunities for not only trade but employment and other similar benefits to the ones I just outlined within the EU for youngsters. As for young people gaining the kind of wisdom you claim to have well that very much depends on the outcome of Brexit doesn't it? Right now they are pretty miffed and angry about losing their EU Citizenship. If Brexit goes badly for them and the country what on earth makes you think that as they grow older they will suddenly become Anti EU? You keep banging on about Socialism like its the spawn of the devil but you do realise the UK is essentially a socialist country? I take it you support and use organisations such as the NHS and other state controlled institutions? Maybe you don't but the UK even under the Tories still supports some socialist principles, values and methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 9:57 AM Brexiteers often say its not about the money while constantly banging on about the money we send to the EU. Have a read of this. Its astonishing. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389 New bus required. I think some Brexiteers realise they've been duped but as with all scams people caught up in any rarely admit to it and in the case of Brexit will continue parroting they knew what they were voting for. They have to keep saying that in order to convince themselves. They won't change their mantra until they personally are hit extremely hard and suffer the grave consequences of their actions. If only those consequences could be distributed solely to those that "knew what they were voting for", then the harsher the better. Unfortunately the damage has been inflicted on people who never asked for it but those that did must now be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 FunsterJohn - 2020-01-12 2:30 PM Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 3:17 PM jumpstart - 2020-01-12 1:37 PM I saw some polls recently that seemed to suggest “ youngsters” wanted a chance to get back in within 10 years. Without doubt. Brexit generally was driven and supported by the older generation. The younger you were the less likely you were to vote leave and vice versa. Trouble is its the younger generation that will have to live with it so if it goes badly then I think its fairly certain we will be rejoining especially when you consider many that supported it will have popped their clogs and more younger pro Europe youngsters will have become old enough to vote. Young people in general see it as a backward insular step and I agree with them. Its robbed them of a lot of opportunity. What has the average British youngster been robbed of? I wonder how youngsters cope in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, NZ and the US? Somehow they manage to have vibrant economies without being in the EU. And in twenty years those who are thirty will be fifty. This myth about older people popping off and young people being in a majority is nonsense. Young people become old people and enjoy the wisdom and experience that we have. How many ignorant youngsters worshipped Corbyn because they knew nothing of his past and the past failures of Socialism? They worshipped Corbyn because he promised them no fees for university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-01-12 3:29 PM Barryd999 - 2020-01-12 9:57 AM Brexiteers often say its not about the money while constantly banging on about the money we send to the EU. Have a read of this. Its astonishing. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/brexit-cost-reach-billions-highest-boris-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389 New bus required. I think some Brexiteers realise they've been duped but as with all scams people caught up in any rarely admit to it and in the case of Brexit will continue parroting they knew what they were voting for. They have to keep saying that in order to convince themselves. They won't change their mantra until they personally are hit extremely hard and suffer the grave consequences of their actions. If only those consequences could be distributed solely to those that "knew what they were voting for", then the harsher the better. Unfortunately the damage has been inflicted on people who never asked for it but those that did must now be held to account. A bit like voting for a new government then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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