FunsterJohn Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Britain could face paying more than €200bn to the European Union in the event of a eurozone bail-out unless the UK leaves under a managed clean Brexit, according to leading City and business figures. Still, this is only from leading City and business people so what do they know eh? Some of our 'leading experts' have 'studied this for three years' and these silly leading city and business peoples obviously forgot to ask them. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/06/britain-could-face-200bn-eu-bail-out-bill-unless-clean-brexit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-07 11:16 AM Britain could face paying more than €200bn to the European Union in the event of a eurozone bail-out unless the UK leaves under a managed clean Brexit, according to leading City and business figures. Still, this is only from leading City and business people so what do they know eh? Well what WE know from the clip is that the 'Warning ' comes from a group called the " Brexit Coalition " - a group representing 29 diverse PRO BREXIT organisations ……………. ……… that doesn't mean they are wrong --- but it does mean that a certain amount of bias is involved. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Could be liable, but under what circumstances? (Refused to register just to read the piece :-)) What is the bail-out that might lead to this outcome, and how likely is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Project fear! 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Under the atrocious terms of Theresa Mays EU agreement, we will certainly be liable to contribute large sums of money, despite being 'out' of the EU. And Barry knows that fact but jokes about Project Feat instead. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 malc d - 2019-07-07 3:20 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Hear, hear. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 malc d - 2019-07-07 11:36 AM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-07 11:16 AM Britain could face paying more than €200bn to the European Union in the event of a eurozone bail-out unless the UK leaves under a managed clean Brexit, according to leading City and business figures. Still, this is only from leading City and business people so what do they know eh? Well what WE know from the clip is that the 'Warning ' comes from a group called the " Brexit Coalition " - a group representing 29 diverse PRO BREXIT organisations ……………. ……… that doesn't mean they are wrong --- but it does mean that a certain amount of bias is involved. :-| A case of 'well they would say that wouldn't they'!! Disaster capitalists have vested interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 747 - 2019-07-07 4:40 PM malc d - 2019-07-07 3:20 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Hear, hear. Well said. OK, but why then is it inappropriate for Britain to make similar transfers to stimulate economic growth elsewhere in the EU? The intended result is no different. Invest in depressed areas to stimulate their economic growth and a) they cease to be depressed areas, and b) as a result, they begin contributing to everyone's wealth. These are long term investments with long pay-back periods. If we want the benefits, we first have to make the investments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 4:52 PM 747 - 2019-07-07 4:40 PM malc d - 2019-07-07 3:20 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Hear, hear. Well said. OK, but why then is it inappropriate for Britain to make similar transfers to stimulate economic growth elsewhere in the EU? . Because the north of England has been ignored financially for ( probably ) hundreds of years - the EU has only come along recently. Why invest in other countries BEFORE investing in our own ? :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 malc d - 2019-07-07 5:16 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 4:52 PM 747 - 2019-07-07 4:40 PM malc d - 2019-07-07 3:20 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Hear, hear. Well said. OK, but why then is it inappropriate for Britain to make similar transfers to stimulate economic growth elsewhere in the EU? . Because the north of England has been ignored financially for ( probably ) hundreds of years - the EU has only come along recently. Why invest in other countries BEFORE investing in our own ? :-| By our own government.....or EU? EU has pumped a fair bit of funding into the north, more than you probably think as the map in the article shows. In January James Wharton, the pro-Brexit Northern Powerhouse Minister, listed 20,000 projects in the north of England that had received funding from this pot between 2007-2013. Analysis by the University of Sheffield estimates that over 70,000 jobs were created in the area as a result - as well as a further 80,000 between Scotland and Wales. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 5:46 PM malc d - 2019-07-07 11:36 AM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-07 11:16 AM Britain could face paying more than €200bn to the European Union in the event of a eurozone bail-out unless the UK leaves under a managed clean Brexit, according to leading City and business figures. Still, this is only from leading City and business people so what do they know eh? Well what WE know from the clip is that the 'Warning ' comes from a group called the " Brexit Coalition " - a group representing 29 diverse PRO BREXIT organisations ……………. ……… that doesn't mean they are wrong --- but it does mean that a certain amount of bias is involved. :-| A case of 'well they would say that wouldn't they'!! Disaster capitalists have vested interests. Ha ha! You're beyond parody once more. I'm sure that the following organisations are all mythical 'disaster capitalists'. 29 diverse pro-Brexit campaigning organisations, including the Alliance of British Entrepreneurs, Artists for Brexit and Farmers for Britain as well as Labour Leave and Green Leaves.' Yep, definitely sound like a really evil bunch of 'disaster capitalists' don't they? You've trotted out that term a few times when anyone has tried to tell you that there are people out there whose views differ from yours. The woman who wrote about it has been thoroughly rubbished by real economists and it's about as real as your laughable claim about Rees Mogg taking his millions and his non-existent 'hedge fund' to Dublin. Brexit derangement syndrome has affected you so badly that you really do think that Labour Leave and Farmers for Britain are 'disaster capitalists'. That is very worrying and incredibly sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 malc d - 2019-07-07 5:16 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 4:52 PM 747 - 2019-07-07 4:40 PM malc d - 2019-07-07 3:20 PM Brian Kirby - 2019-07-07 2:53 PM According to the ONS, the North East of the UK has the highest negative fiscal balance (-20%) of all the UK's regions. This means that the rest of the UK, but especially London and the South East) subsidise it. What should we do about that? Stop the fiscal transfers? No. The government should invest more in the north. I get the impression that successive governments have regarded any money spent " up north " in the same way they regard "foreign aid ". :-( Hear, hear. Well said. OK, but why then is it inappropriate for Britain to make similar transfers to stimulate economic growth elsewhere in the EU? . Because the north of England has been ignored financially for ( probably ) hundreds of years - the EU has only come along recently. Why invest in other countries BEFORE investing in our own ? :-| Exactly! ;-) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Pat Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... Collateral damage Dave the victims of crime ... https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/evil-slavery-gang-made-2m-16463447 ... Some are good employers by the look of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:42 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Great stuff, apart from the fact that EU law forbids us from deporting some of the most vile EU citizens. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/judges-rule-romanian-criminal-cannot-deported-eu-law/ It appears that you're not too clear on how the justice system works. Good try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:42 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Great stuff, apart from the fact that EU law forbids us from deporting some of the most vile EU citizens. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/judges-rule-romanian-criminal-cannot-deported-eu-law/ It appears that you're not too clear on how the justice system works. Good try though. From the linked article it appears the mistake government lawyers made was incorrectly interpreting the law over residency arguing he was not entitled to enhanced protection under EU law because the time he had spent in custody 'broke the continuity of lawful residence'. But a judge (British) held that, since Viscu was a juvenile he could not be sentenced to imprisonment and so his residence in the United Kingdom had been 'continuous and uninterrupted' availing him of special EU protection. So the beef is not so much to do with EU law but UK residency laws......and pesky British judges for correctly interpreting and applying British laws which i imagine to be reciprocal (at the moment) with any British resident in an EU country, though if we become a third country status, that will likely end with unsuspecting Brits finding themselves unceremoniously kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunsterJohn Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 6:10 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:42 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Great stuff, apart from the fact that EU law forbids us from deporting some of the most vile EU citizens. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/judges-rule-romanian-criminal-cannot-deported-eu-law/ It appears that you're not too clear on how the justice system works. Good try though. From the linked article it appears the mistake government lawyers made was incorrectly interpreting the law over residency arguing he was not entitled to enhanced protection under EU law because the time he had spent in custody 'broke the continuity of lawful residence'. But a judge (British) held that, since Viscu was a juvenile he could not be sentenced to imprisonment and so his residence in the United Kingdom had been 'continuous and uninterrupted' availing him of special EU protection. So the beef is not so much to do with EU law but UK residency laws......and pesky British judges for correctly interpreting and applying British laws which i imagine to be reciprocal (at the moment) with any British resident in an EU country, though if we become a third country status, that will likely end with unsuspecting Brits finding themselves unceremoniously kicked out. 'But when the Home Office tried to deport him they were blocked by judges who held that under EU law he had rights to enhanced protection under the EU Citizens' Directive as he had lived in the UK for five years.' Isn't that clear? The EU Citizens' Directive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 5:15 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 6:10 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:42 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Great stuff, apart from the fact that EU law forbids us from deporting some of the most vile EU citizens. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/judges-rule-romanian-criminal-cannot-deported-eu-law/ It appears that you're not too clear on how the justice system works. Good try though. From the linked article it appears the mistake government lawyers made was incorrectly interpreting the law over residency arguing he was not entitled to enhanced protection under EU law because the time he had spent in custody 'broke the continuity of lawful residence'. But a judge (British) held that, since Viscu was a juvenile he could not be sentenced to imprisonment and so his residence in the United Kingdom had been 'continuous and uninterrupted' availing him of special EU protection. So the beef is not so much to do with EU law but UK residency laws......and pesky British judges for correctly interpreting and applying British laws which i imagine to be reciprocal (at the moment) with any British resident in an EU country, though if we become a third country status, that will likely end with unsuspecting Brits finding themselves unceremoniously kicked out. 'But when the Home Office tried to deport him they were blocked by judges who held that under EU law he had rights to enhanced protection under the EU Citizens' Directive as he had lived in the UK for five years.' Isn't that clear? The EU Citizens' Directive? Transposed into The Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 which is UK law the judge applied. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/1003/contents/made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 5:34 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 5:15 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 6:10 PM FunsterJohn - 2019-07-08 2:28 PM Bulletguy - 2019-07-08 2:42 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-08 7:46 AM Bulletguy - 2019-07-07 10:43 PM pelmetman - 2019-07-07 9:50 PM Fast Pat - 2019-07-07 9:32 PM EU Membership: 34p per person per day. Cost spent on Brexit since 2016: 91p per person per day. Estimated cost of Brexit: £4.15 per person per day Estimated cost of No Deal Brexit: £5.81 per person per day Nigel Farage’s earnings from TV & radio since 2016: £541.10 per day Just checked my bank statement ;-) ........... Nothing on there about 91p or £4.15 a day? :-S ........ So its just more Remoaner TOSH >:-) ......... It's not on your bank statement......dummy. *-) It's on annual tax summary slips but as you're a non-paying tax dodging skiver, you won't have one of those. My contributions to the EU budget for 2017-18 was £4.......absolute bargain. Does that £4 include the £140 million it costs to keep EU criminals banged up in our prisons every year? ........ Does it include the millions they cost our police and judiciary?......... Does that include the emotional cost of families who were Robbed Raped or murdered?........ Not such a bargain now is it? :-| ........... No......i paid £25 quid for that last year which is still a bargain. It doesn't tell me how many £millions a year tax payers in Europe are having to shell out to keep British criminals in their prisons which their tax paying citizens have to pick up the tab for......but you don't give a fig about that. You don't understand how the justice system works do you? It's quite simple. Whoever commits the crime, they are sentenced and imprisoned in the country they committed it in, then either half way through sentence or on completion, deported back to their country. If foreign criminals were deported straight away you'd moan and whine they were having it cushy and should be made to do time here. *-) Great stuff, apart from the fact that EU law forbids us from deporting some of the most vile EU citizens. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/07/judges-rule-romanian-criminal-cannot-deported-eu-law/ It appears that you're not too clear on how the justice system works. Good try though. From the linked article it appears the mistake government lawyers made was incorrectly interpreting the law over residency arguing he was not entitled to enhanced protection under EU law because the time he had spent in custody 'broke the continuity of lawful residence'. But a judge (British) held that, since Viscu was a juvenile he could not be sentenced to imprisonment and so his residence in the United Kingdom had been 'continuous and uninterrupted' availing him of special EU protection. So the beef is not so much to do with EU law but UK residency laws......and pesky British judges for correctly interpreting and applying British laws which i imagine to be reciprocal (at the moment) with any British resident in an EU country, though if we become a third country status, that will likely end with unsuspecting Brits finding themselves unceremoniously kicked out. 'But when the Home Office tried to deport him they were blocked by judges who held that under EU law he had rights to enhanced protection under the EU Citizens' Directive as he had lived in the UK for five years.' Isn't that clear? The EU Citizens' Directive? Transposed into The Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 which is UK law the judge applied. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/1003/contents/made Which is EU law in the first place! *-) ........... Christ you Remoaners make a piece of 4" by 2" look intelligent 8-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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