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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:00 AM
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4 years of violence, thuggery and death in the US not condemned by MSM, many Democrat politicians, BLM or our very own sisters ... https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1347302588434284544 ... Only now they screech their disapproval ... Lordy ... Hypocrites
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:25 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 8:48 AM

What a surprise ... The sisters see it differently ... Chuckle


What sisters?
And just to be clear
who is 'Queer Stammer'?
Is it someone who actually stammers?
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:27 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:37 AM
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I'm in.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:38 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:38 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 9:44 AM
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


"Gentleman of Chatterbox" ... You do know we have women on Chatterbox or do you just prefer if it were a gentlemen club ??? ... As for your other stuff ... How very childish and how very brave of you to want to shut someone down rather than debate ... As for your new found dislike of supposed insults its pretty much like your new found dislike of violence in the US as in I dont see you taking issue with others who supposedly use "insults" ... Of course you and others could shut me up very, very easily by giving the proof of what you preach but you cant ...By the way If you asked me to post up where in speeches delivered by Hitler he incited hatred towards Jews I could do that easily and lets be fair we have a member on here who has likened POTUS Trump to Hitler more than once ... Try growing some Stuart rather than running ... I will say though I appreciate you have said this publicly rather than sending PMs privately to members like you have to me in the past ... Regards
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Posted: 14 January 2021 10:16 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?
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Posted: 14 January 2021 10:42 AM
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Perhaps the thing that will really hang Trump is his refusal to agree to the National Guard being deployed, aided and abetted by the stooges he appointed to the Pentagon after the November election.

"On the day of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the first National Guard members arrived to assist at about 5:40 p.m. By then, most of the violence had subsided.

In the critical minutes before rioters had breached the Capitol building around 2 p.m., the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police force and the mayor of Washington, D.C., put out urgent requests for guard backup. But it took more than an hour to get formal approval for their deployment, and then nearly three more hours for the first guard reinforcements to arrive.

The D.C. National Guard reports to the president.

In a recorded video the following day, President Donald Trump claimed that he “immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders.” But Trump’s claim that he acted quickly is contradicted by news reports citing unnamed sources who say the president initially resisted efforts to bring in the National Guard at the outset of the Capitol riot.

The New York Times, citing unnamed Defense Department officials, said it was Vice President Mike Pence, not Trump, who approved deployment of the D.C. National Guard that afternoon. The Times also cited a “person with knowledge of the events” who said Trump “initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard “and that the “mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials.”

CNN also reported that Trump “initially resisted” deploying the guard, according to an unnamed “source familiar” with the decision to call in the National Guard. Neither report says how long Trump may have resisted the call — minutes, hours? — whether that led to any appreciable delay in activating the guard, or whether an earlier deployment could have averted the worst of the violence.

Defense Department officials stress that Capitol Police did not request National Guard troops for the Capitol prior to the event — despite repeated offers from the military. The guard is “not designed to be an emergency response force,” one defense official told the Wall Street Journal.

So why weren’t National Guard troops included in the plans leading up to the rally to guard the Capitol that day? Why did it take so long for the guard to arrive that afternoon? And what was Trump’s role? The answers to those questions are likely to emerge as investigations about the response unfold.

Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy National Guard troops. We’ll supplement this report as we learn more.

The Planning
Dec. 31: Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, the D.C. director of homeland security and emergency management agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard support of the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department for the rally, according to a Pentagon timeline issued Jan. 8. In her letter, Bowser says, “No DCNG personnel shall be armed during this mission, and at no time, will DCNG personnel or assets be engaged in domestic surveillance, searches, or seizures of US persons.”

That same day, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters has an hourlong phone conversation with Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund to express her “grave concerns” about proposed security for the rally, given that several right-wing extremist groups were expected to be in attendance. Waters says Sund — who did not request National Guard backup prior to the day of the riot — assured her the Capitol plaza would be “absolutely secured” and that rally attendees “would not be able to get inside or on top of the Capitol building.”

The Capitol Police has jurisdiction over the federal Capitol building and grounds, while the D.C. police force has jurisdiction over city streets and property.

Jan. 3: The Department of Defense confirms with Capitol Police that there is no request for DoD support, according to the Pentagon.

Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller meets with “select Cabinet Members to discuss DoD support to law enforcement agencies and potential requirements for DoD support,” the Pentagon says.

Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meet with Trump, according to the Department of Defense. Trump agrees to activate the D.C. National Guard to support D.C. police (not Capitol Police) with crowd and traffic control. The Pentagon later tells Pro Publica, “The President had no role in tactical matters as the capabilities deployed and location were dictated solely by the request from D.C. government.”

D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee says 340 guardsmen will assist with crowd management and traffic control to free up the city police officers to respond to potential acts of violence and other security issues, according to CNN.

Jan. 4: Capitol Police again confirms there is no need for DoD support in a phone call with Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, according to the Pentagon. Miller, in consultation with Milley, McCarthy and DoD general counsel, “reviews the Department’s plan to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.” The support is mostly for traffic control, crowd control at subway stations and logistics support. Miller also authorizes McCarthy to deploy a “Quick Reaction Force” of 40 National Guard members staged at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland “if additional support is requested by civil authorities.”

Capitol Police Chief Sund asks the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms about the possibility of placing the D.C. National Guard on standby, in case the Capitol Police needed quick backup. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says they were hesitant to agree. According to the article, “House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he wasn’t comfortable with the ‘optics’ of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration, Sund said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that Sund should informally seek out his Guard contacts, asking them to ‘lean forward’ and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.” All three officials — Sund, Irving and Stenger — have since resigned.

Jan. 5: According to the Pentagon, Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the U.S. acting attorney general, Miller and McCarthy confirming that there are no additional support requests from the D.C. National Guard. Bowser later says that she already had the support she requested from the National Guard and that any decision to request guard forces to protect the Capitol is not hers. “The Capitol Police and the leadership at the Capitol, they did not make the decision to call in guard support,” Bowser later says in a press conference on Jan. 7. “I cannot order the Army, the National Guard, to the United States Capitol grounds. I can, in the district, with the approval of the secretary of the Army.”

According to an internal document reviewed by the Washington Post, an FBI office in Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to commit violence in Washington on Jan. 6. According to the bulletin — which Steven D’Antuono, head of the FBI’s Washington field office, said was shared “with all our law enforcement partners” through the joint terrorism task force — “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” Sund told the Post he never received nor was made aware of the FBI’s field bulletin.

The Day of the Rally
12:40 p.m.: The first protesters arrive at the Capitol, where Congress is meeting in joint session to certify Joe Biden’s election.

1.p.m.: Trump begins to wrap up his speech at the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse, a park near the White House. He tells rallygoers the presidential election was “stolen” by Democrats and the “fake news media,” and says that he’s going to walk with the crowd to the Capitol “to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones … the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” But Trump does not accompany the rally attendees to the Capitol.

Sund says he already realizes “things aren’t going well,” that the protesters came with riot helmets, gas masks, pepper spray, fireworks, metal pipes and baseball bats. Sund calls Metropolitan Police Chief Contee, who sends 100 officers to the Capitol, with the first ones arriving within 10 minutes, according to Sund’s interview with the Washington Post.

1:09 p.m.: Sund tells Irving and Stenger by phone that the National Guard is needed. Sund says both men told him they would “run it up the chain.”

1:26 p.m.: Capitol Police order the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

1:34 p.m.: In a phone call with Secretary of the Army McCarthy, Bowser requests an “unspecified number of additional forces,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

1:49 p.m.: Sund, in a phone call with the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, requests immediate assistance, and tells him to prepare to bring in the guard.

About 2 p.m.: Rioters breach the Capitol. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says, “If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive.”

2:10 p.m.: Sund says Irving calls him back with formal approval to send in the guard. But as the Washington Post noted, “Sund finally had approval to call the National Guard. But that would prove to be just the beginning of a bureaucratic nightmare to get soldiers on the scene.”

2:22 p.m.: The secretary of the Army, Bowser, D.C. police leadership and others “discuss the current situation and to request additional DCNG support,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:26 p.m.: Sund says he joins the conference call to plead for additional backup. “I am making urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund recalls saying. According to Sund and others on the call, the Washington Post reports, Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army staff, says he could not recommend that to his boss, McCarthy, because, “I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background.”

However, Piatt disputed that, saying in a statement: “I did not make the statement or any comments similar to what was attributed to me by Chief Sund in the Washington Post article — but would note that even in his telling he makes it clear that neither I, nor anyone else from [the Department of Defense], denied the deployment of requested personnel.”

2:30 p.m.: Miller, Milley and McCarthy meet to discuss the requests from Capitol Police and Bowser.

3 p.m.: Miller “determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD [Metropolitan Police Department] and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex,” according to the Pentagon timeline. Simultaneously, the D.C. National Guard prepares to move 150 personnel to support Capitol Police, pending Miller’s approval.

3:04 p.m.: Miller “provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG (1100 total) in support of the MPD,” according to the Pentagon. In response, McCarthy immediately directs the D.C. National Guard “to initiate movement and full mobilization.” That means the D.C. guard members helping with traffic and crowd control are redeployed to support the Metropolitan Police Department at the Capitol, and the entire D.C. guard begins full mobilization.

3:19 p.m.: McCarthy explains in a phone call to Sen. Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Miller has already approved full DCNG mobilization. Miller later releases a statement saying, “Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C. National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to peacefully address the situation.” No mention is made of Trump’s involvement.

3:36 p.m.: White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweets: “At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services.”

4:17 p.m.: Trump releases a video on social media in which he states, in part, “We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. … We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

5:02 p.m.: 154 members of the D.C. National Guard leave the D.C. Armory.

5:40 p.m.: The first National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol. By then, most of the violence had ended.

6 p.m.: A citywide curfew goes into effect.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

6:14 p.m.: Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police and the D.C. National Guard “successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol,” the Pentagon timeline states.

8 p.m.: Capitol Police declare the Capitol building secure.

8:06 p.m.: Vice President Mike Pence reopens the Senate. “The Capitol is secured and the people’s work continues,” Pence says. “To those who wreaked havoc in our Capitol today, you did not win. Violence never wins. Freedom wins, and this is still the people’s house.” Pelosi brings the House back into session less than an hour later.

Early the next morning, Pence officially affirmed the election results and that Joe Biden won the presidency.

In total, five people died as a result of the riot, including Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who was “injured while physically engaging with protesters” and died as a result of those injuries the day after the riot, according to Capitol Police.

Two Senate committees have announced a joint investigation into security failures related to the Jan. 6 riot.

“I think that there’s going to be a lot of time for us to figure out what happened,” D.C. Mayor Bowser said on Jan. 7. “Obviously it was a failure or you would not have had police lines breached and people enter the Capitol building by breaking windows and terrorizing the people, the members of Congress who were doing a very sacred constitutional requirement of their jobs. So clearly there was a failure there.”"
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Posted: 14 January 2021 11:02 AM
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.



The vast majority of forum members already do ignore his posts.

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Posted: 14 January 2021 11:04 AM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 10:16 AM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 6:12 AM

Barryd999 - 2021-01-13 9:41 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 8:02 PM

jumpstart - 2021-01-13 7:57 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?


"Trumps entire steal campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment" ... Are you mad ... What on earth would he gain by whipping up "the mob" to violently break into one of the US most sacred buildings causing death along the way ??? ... If as you more than suggest that was the intention what was the long term plan ??? ... Were the terrorists going to take over with POTUS Trump at the helm ??? ... For 2 months POTUS Trump has alleged the election was stolen and you seem more than annoyed by that but yet you dont mind that The Democrats have done the same for the last 4 years over Trumps election win and you might want to educate on what Pelosi has previously said regarding that election being stolen ... Dont know why you are posting about the US anyway ... Remember you "dont give a toss about America" ... Hypocrite and you'll upset new self appointed moderator Stuart by replying to me so check with him first and his new Nazi like rules on here
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Posted: 14 January 2021 11:19 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 11:20 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Posted: 14 January 2021 11:56 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 11:04 AM

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 6:12 AM

Barryd999 - 2021-01-13 9:41 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 8:02 PM

jumpstart - 2021-01-13 7:57 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?


"Trumps entire steal campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment" ... Are you mad ... What on earth would he gain by whipping up "the mob" to violently break into one of the US most sacred buildings causing death along the way ??? ... If as you more than suggest that was the intention what was the long term plan ??? ... Were the terrorists going to take over with POTUS Trump at the helm ??? ... For 2 months POTUS Trump has alleged the election was stolen and you seem more than annoyed by that but yet you dont mind that The Democrats have done the same for the last 4 years over Trumps election win and you might want to educate on what Pelosi has previously said regarding that election being stolen ... Dont know why you are posting about the US anyway ... Remember you "dont give a toss about America" ... Hypocrite and you'll upset new self appointed moderator Stuart by replying to me so check with him first and his new Nazi like rules on here


Because he is a moron intent on leaving as big a mess as possible and leaving a trail of disruption, doubt and anger in his wake. The objective being to disrupt and hinder as much as possible Biden and Harris over the next four years. He has succeeded in convincing millions of people that they were robbed despite the humongous amount of evidence to the contrary and the lack of any evidence supporting his claim. Some of his supporters are now so radicalised they just refuse to see it. Comparing that to anything the Democrats have claimed is laughable.

I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 11:56 AM .... I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".


I have merely suggested to everyone that we take this opportunity, after a particularly blinkered, offensive and insulting set of postings from Birdbrain, that we ignore his posts for a while. I think your suggestion to him (that he reflects on what has been throwing at us all, quite pointlessly as I see it) makes excellent sense. His is of course perfectly entitled to express his own opinions and to defend Trump if he genuinely feels that way but I didn't get the impression he was doing that - but instead was arguing for arguing's sake and demanding his own barrack-room lawyerish nit picking standards of proof to back up other people's accusations about Trump inciting the rabble - and being gratuitously offensive and insulting to everyone else on here in the process.

And by the way I don't think wholesale insulting of other contributors is within the Forum Rules since you've brought them into it.

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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 11:56 AM .... I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".


I have merely suggested to everyone that we take this opportunity, after a particularly blinkered, offensive and insulting set of postings from Birdbrain, that we ignore his posts for a while. I think your suggestion to him (that he reflects on what has been throwing at us all, quite pointlessly as I see it) makes excellent sense. His is of course perfectly entitled to express his own opinions and to defend Trump if he genuinely feels that way but I didn't get the impression he was doing that - but instead was arguing for arguing's sake and demanding his own barrack-room lawyerish nit picking standards of proof to back up other people's accusations about Trump inciting the rabble - and being gratuitously offensive and insulting to everyone else on here in the process.

And by the way I don't think wholesale insulting of other contributors is within the Forum Rules since you've brought them into it.


Yes but I keep hoping that one day he might see the light. I feel its my duty as a moderate to try and convince Mr Birdbrain of the errors of his ways in supporting the likes of Trump. I can take the insults. Its hurtful at times especially when he calls me "Fatso" etc but I am willing to take it on the chin for the greater good.
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Back on topic......

Trump seems to have wound his neck in, restricting himself to a concise "let's not have any violence" clip without addressing it particularly to his supporters but at least he seems to have worked out that encouraging the riotus invasion of the Capital seriously backfired. One of his sons is reported to have sucked back on the attempts to get Trump a replacement voice on another social media platform as well. Ten Republicans in the House voted for his impeachment and the majority leader of the Senate (a powerful Republican) is saying he will decide on the day, so it's by no means impossible that Trump will be found guilty by the Senate, and then banned from holding any future public office.

I suppose it will boil down to whether enough Republican Senators vote to get rid of Trump; they need 17 in order to achieve the 2/3 majority.
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 12:38 PM ....Yes but I keep hoping that one day he might see the light. I feel its my duty as a moderate to try and convince Mr Birdbrain of the errors of his ways in supporting the likes of Trump. I can take the insults. Its hurtful at times especially when he calls me "Fatso" etc but I am willing to take it on the chin for the greater good.


Then just ignore the fool for a while, that should get the message across.

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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.

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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


I'm not trying to run Birdbrain off the forum altogether and this has nothing to do with whether he supports Trump or not. I've already explained that I am not trying to censor Birdbrain's opinions,merely encouraging everyone to ignore his posts for a period (say a couple of weeks) to get him to realise that arguing aggressively for arguing's sake while also dishing out gratuitous insults to all and sundry (because they were not immediately dancing to his tune) is such poor behaviour that even on Chatterbox it needs bringing to heel. Birdbrain is above all an attention-seeker, which is why he goes OTT like this from time to time. Let's agree to ignore his posts (completely) for a couple of weeks to encourage him to behave a bit less like an exhibitionist idiot, eh?

Chatterbox is not moderated but we, the users, can nevertheless effectively chastise a contributor who goes so completely OTT if we wish, as I believe Birdbrain was persisting in doing, by simply ignoring him for a period. If we deny him the attention he craves for a while he should get the message.

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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.

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StuartO - 2021-01-14 2:15 PM

Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM

StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


I'm not trying to run Birdbrain off the forum altogether and this has nothing to do with whether he supports Trump or not. I've already explained that I am not trying to censor Birdbrain's opinions,merely encouraging everyone to ignore his posts for a period (say a couple of weeks) to get him to realise that arguing aggressively for arguing's sake while also dishing out gratuitous insults to all and sundry (because they were not immediately dancing to his tune) is such poor behaviour that even on Chatterbox it needs bringing to heel. Birdbrain is above all an attention-seeker, which is why he goes OTT like this from time to time. Let's agree to ignore his posts (completely) for a couple of weeks to encourage him to behave a bit less like an exhibitionist idiot, eh?

Chatterbox is not moderated but we, the users, can nevertheless effectively chastise a contributor who goes so completely OTT if we wish, as I believe Birdbrain was persisting in doing, by simply ignoring him for a period. If we deny him the attention he craves for a while he should get the message.


Dear oh dear ... Hypocrisy lives ... You ignore the arguing by others on this thread yet I am the troll and attention seeker because I supposedly argue and dare ask for proof ... You ignore the insults towards me on this thread and when I supposedly insult others I am the troll and attention seeker ... Others on threads all over Chatterbox have poor behaviour as I supposedly do yet I am the troll and attention seeker ... I disagree with most of the left leaning opinions on here and get called anything and everything for doing so yet I have never called for others to ignore those I disagree with, unlike you have yet I am the troll and attention seeker ... Chuckle
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 2:21 PM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.


Will you be doing this every time I post
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 2:24 PM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.


Will you be doing this every time I post
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM .... [Birdbrain] has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


You are the lawyer of course but I suggest that the Senate Trial's decison will have relatively little to do with the law or logic or even the US Constitution and more to do with partisan politics, as of course did the "not guilty" verdict last time Trump was impeached. It will all hang on whether enough Republican Senators are willing to vote for impeachment because a 2/3 majority is needed, which means that 17 Republicans will need to be brave enough to cross the floor on this "trial" vote. Whether enough of them do this might not even have much to do with whether they think Trump engaged in high misdemeanours (or whatever it is that he's supposed to have done) so much as whether the GOP realises that enough is enough and they now need to put Trump firmly behind them so the the Republican party can move on without Trump as a threat to their future by insisting on running in the 2024 Presidential Election.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towrds others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty.
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