Mike Parke Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Just seen an article in the Daily Mail. It says that H.M.G. want 90% of milk to be U.H.T. in order to reduce carbon emissions by reducing waste and the need to store it refridgerated. H.M.G. (DEFRA) are quote as saying that it is not the govt. intention to tell people what kind of milk to drink but their role is to provide the facts to enable the consumer to make an informed choice based on a range of considerations one being the need to take action to reduce 'greenhouse gas' emissions. So now you know, drink U.H.T. milk and save the planet!! Being a lifelong dedicated cynic I query the point that H.M.G. has never provided us with 'the facts' merely what they wish us to be told!! Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Yup, it has that effect on me too 8-) D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ultra Horrible Taste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twooks Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 to me ALL milk is in that category Rich, only good thing maggie did and it came too late for me B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Tracker - 2007-10-16 9:43 PM Ultra Horrible Taste I agree - I'd rather do without than have something that tastes like old cabbages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 J9withdogs - 2007-10-16 9:49 PM Tracker - 2007-10-16 9:43 PM Ultra Horrible Taste I agree - I'd rather do without than have something that tastes like old cabbages. Oh is that why you dumped me then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 OK Rich, so you made a mistake when you dumped me. Let's put all of that behind us. Richard Gumfuttock, will you marry me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 The man from Delmonti he say NO :D stop flirting you to it makes me laugh :D :D Or go get a room :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Hey - stop laughing, I'm being serious here. I want to be Mrs Janine Gumfuttock - it's got a nice ring to it, don't you think? *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Mike Parke - 2007-10-16 9:41 PM Just seen an article in the Daily Mail. I remember when the Daily Mail had news instead of articles 8-) Graham (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Mike Parke - 2007-10-16 9:41 PM Being a lifelong dedicated cynic I query the point that H.M.G. has never provided us with 'the facts' merely what they wish us to be told!! Regards Mike 'the facts' are the facts when it comes to this milk, it does require a lot less energy from coming out the cow, to going down your neck.........but i do agree that its something they wish us to be told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Newell Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This was discussed the other day on Jeremy vine's show. A caller made a very good point though, just because you don't need to refrigerate UHT milk you wouldn't switch your fridge off by using UHT would you 'cos there's all sorts of perishabel items kept in your fridge besides milk. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Dave Newell - 2007-10-17 8:26 AM This was discussed the other day on Jeremy vine's show. A caller made a very good point though, just because you don't need to refrigerate UHT milk you wouldn't switch your fridge off by using UHT would you 'cos there's all sorts of perishabel items kept in your fridge besides milk. D. That is a good point. If I recall correctly (and I may be mistaken), manufacturer advice is to keep fridges and freezers full rather than empty as they work more effectively that way. If that is the case removing milk might increase the amount of energy used to keep the fridge at the required temperature. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This is where it all breaks down for people like myself who are looking for simple changes to lifestyle that will improve our green credentials. Whether or not we should be cynical, the UHT proposal might, at face value, have some legs. But then, as mentioned above, we need to factor in energy changes due to a lesser filled fridge. And I for one would like to know the impact of the "Heat" part of Ultra Heat Treated. The milk is raised to 135 - 145 degrees C for 1 - 2 seconds. Somewhere along the line we need to count the energy to do this for millions of gallons of milk. We also need to count the lost UHT milk through spillage, due to Tesco containers never pouring correctly (I am reasonably well travelled and Tesco are the only company in the world who make pouring containers that don't actually pour!) Light-hearted, I know, but it is actually a real issue - every drop spilled costs us and the environment. We should look at the relative energies used in recycling plastic vs cardboard milk containers (inc. overseas transport to the recycling depots). And we should look into the relative energies needed to make these containers. And I'm sure there are a dozen other energy inputs and outputs to be considered, requiring expertice in farming, milk production, storage and transport, recycling etc etc. And all of them open to debate and criticism. We get our milk delivered in re-used bottles by a milkman in a small van. We buy only what we need. But I'm sure there can be holes picked in our logic as well. This is where it all falls down, too many unknowns, leaving good suggestions open to criticism, and leaving the well-meaning rudderless. There is only one way through all this, in my opinion. Consume less of everything, steer away as much as possible from those things you won't personally keep or re-use, and teach the kids to do the same. Don't give up your 21st century lifestyle, just turn it back a notch. And petition your local politicians to do the same. An interesting related snippet, in the Australian papers the other day - the Australian Government is set to ban all plasma and most LCD TVs. The energy consumption by these is apparently 30% of the normal household energy bill. Now I know that flat screen owners will leap to the defence of their pride and joy. But 30%? Thats an awfully big number! If all governments banned them, I guarantee with a capital G that flat screen manufacturers would improve the technology to get back on the shelves again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo3090 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Isn't UHT milk only for people with dirty houses? That's what my gran used to say anyway! How dare the Govt. infer I have a dirty house! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Had some UHT milk today when we ran out of real milk and it was not too bad - no really - not wonderful but not too bad and I could probably get used to it if I had to - but I would not choose to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 We drink semi-skimmed UHT all the time, we don't have 'normal' milk now. We used have 'normal' pasteurised milk to but as we were used to sterilised milk I cold never get used to the taste of pasteurised in my tea/coffee etc, so as bottled sterilised became more and more difficult to get hold of, not to mention very expensive, we switched to UHT. We actually prefer it to pasteurised now as it has more taste - some pasteurised can be quite watery and tasteless. It also means that we can bulk buy and not have to keep going to the shop for milk (so less use of the car! :-D ). We get ours from Lidl as it's the cheapest by around 17p a carton compared to Tesco etc plus I agree that the Tesco ones are absolute sods to try to pour with, you end up wasting more than you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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