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Posted: 24 November 2018 12:16 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-11-24 12:02 PM



………………………. we find out whether all versions of Brexit make us poorer.




That is the theory - but in practice it will be more speculation.

Those who wish to believe it will do so.

Those who chose not to believe it - won't.


Back to square one !


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Posted: 24 November 2018 1:06 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-11-24 12:02 PM
………………………. we find out whether all versions of Brexit make us poorer.

That is the theory - but in practice it will be more speculation.

Those who wish to believe it will do so.

Those who chose not to believe it - won't.

Back to square one !

To some extent, I agree, Malc, though I think the figures are better than mere speculation. At least they try to project forward from present data, extrapolating known trends into the future, and it is to be hoped that all projections will be on an even basis.

If any such forecast exactly foretells the future, its authors have been very lucky indeed (think weather forecasts!). But, I think such projections, if read properly, and for all their potential shortcomings, give a better indication of probability than just trusting to luck.
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Posted: 24 November 2018 2:14 PM
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Have you looked at the withdrawal agreement? Its completely terrible. .


The EU were never going to give us a better deal out than we had when we were in.
And with a Chaotic Divided 'Government' under the thumb of the DUP, its even worse than I thought it would be.
And of course nothing like we were promised when we voted.
No wonder they won't give us a vote on it before they do it


Have you noticed that whenever a members of the government is asked if the deal is projected to be economically better than being in, they won't answer? They instead try to justify it on political grounds, saying how bitterly divided the country might become were Brexit to be denied. Why is that?

May was asked this directly by a phone caller and she just went running off with the fairies through her fields of wheat.....deflection/waffle/deflection/waffle. The funniest part was after May finished waffling the radio show host asked the caller if May had answered his question......and he replies with a firm "no"!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909


My expectation is that when the figures are released next week, they will show us being worse off economically under the deal than if we ditch Brexit. If I'm right, then all they are arguing for is "peace in our time", in the hope that someone else will be in government at the time people work out that a less buoyant economy means most of them get poorer. So, that's that can kicked a bit further down the road, then!

If the deal is worse than membership, so people will be poorer than they are now, they must be told just that. Leaving them to find out later is a fool's mission, and anyone who thinks drawing a veil over that inconvenient little truth will secure future political peace is seriously deluded.

Totally agree Brian and from what i've seen so far we are already worse off. Businesses have upped sticks and left to relocate in the EU where they know they can continue. That means jobs have gone and every business that leaves means collateral damage too. That pro-Brexiter Dyson announced he'd build his electric car in Singapore just days after the country signed FTA with the EU should have been more than enough to drive the message home to the most rabidly pro-Brexiters, leaving the EU is a rather silly idea.

As a member state we would still have a seat at the table and be in a position to debate any future regulations......if we withdraw we won't be able to. I'm staggered as to why anyone continues dragging the country into an abyss of bloody minded recklessness, and for what exactly? When asked, no Brexiters appear able to give credible answers as to how they believe they will benefit.

Personally i think May is desperate to get her 'deal' signed, sealed and approved ahead of any legal hearing. In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

Edited by Bulletguy 2018-11-24 2:16 PM
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………………………. we find out whether all versions of Brexit make us poorer.




That is the theory - but in practice it will be more speculation.

Those who wish to believe it will do so.

Those who chose not to believe it - won't.


Back to square one !




Yep ..........

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Posted: 25 November 2018 12:24 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?

Edited by Brian Kirby 2018-11-25 12:34 PM
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Posted: 25 November 2018 3:22 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-11-25 12:24 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


Obviously that's just your view and that of your Remoaner lawyers ........

No doubt your Remoaner's pet Judge will agree with you ........



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Posted: 25 November 2018 3:26 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-11-25 12:24 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.
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Posted: 25 November 2018 3:38 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........



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Posted: 25 November 2018 5:42 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 3:38 PM.........……….
Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........

It won't need to go back to any earlier time, Dave - time travel is the Brexiters fantasy. They want to travel back to 1972, though God knows why. See here: http://tinyurl.com/73dvlfk

If Brexit is averted, the UK will continue gently evolving, just as it has over the intervening 46 years.
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 3:38 PM.........……….
Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........

It won't need to go back to any earlier time, Dave - time travel is the Brexiters fantasy. They want to travel back to 1972, though God knows why. See here: http://tinyurl.com/73dvlfk

If Brexit is averted, the UK will continue gently evolving, just as it has over the intervening 46 years.


We , the UK will continue evolving just as the EU is dissolving ... Cool
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 3:38 PM.........……….
Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........

It won't need to go back to any earlier time, Dave - time travel is the Brexiters fantasy. They want to travel back to 1972, though God knows why. See here: http://tinyurl.com/73dvlfk

If Brexit is averted, the UK will continue gently evolving, just as it has over the intervening 46 years.


Aaaah the fabled Remoaner La La Land of "Status Quo" eh Brian? ............

Unfortunately that lid you Federalists are trying to keep on ........

Keeps popping open all over Europe .......

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Posted: 25 November 2018 6:06 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 3:38 PM.........……….
Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........

It won't need to go back to any earlier time, Dave - time travel is the Brexiters fantasy. They want to travel back to 1972, though God knows why. See here: http://tinyurl.com/73dvlfk

If Brexit is averted, the UK will continue gently evolving, just as it has over the intervening 46 years.


Aaaah the fabled Remoaner La La Land of "Status Quo" eh Brian? ............

Unfortunately that lid you Federalists are trying to keep on ........

Keeps popping open all over Europe .......

I just call it the present, Dave. It doesn't need any fancy titles. It is simply where we are now.

I don't know what "lid" federalists might want, I have no contact with federalists, and I don't think the EU will become a federation anytime soon - if ever.

Might that be the reason your "lid" keeps popping open? People simply don't want to be federalised. Fox, and shot?
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Posted: 25 November 2018 6:21 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 3:38 PM.........……….
Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........

It won't need to go back to any earlier time, Dave - time travel is the Brexiters fantasy. They want to travel back to 1972, though God knows why. See here: http://tinyurl.com/73dvlfk

If Brexit is averted, the UK will continue gently evolving, just as it has over the intervening 46 years.


Aaaah the fabled Remoaner La La Land of "Status Quo" eh Brian? ............

Unfortunately that lid you Federalists are trying to keep on ........

Keeps popping open all over Europe .......

I just call it the present, Dave. It doesn't need any fancy titles. It is simply where we are now.

I don't know what "lid" federalists might want, I have no contact with federalists, and I don't think the EU will become a federation anytime soon - if ever.

Might that be the reason your "lid" keeps popping open? People simply don't want to be federalised. Fox, and shot?


It's too late Brian even if EU do mess the trail ........

The Federalist Fox is in the open..........and us Brexiteers have got the scent ..........Talley-Ho!! ........



Edited by pelmetman 2018-11-25 6:22 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.
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Brian Kirby - 2018-11-25 12:24 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


Precisely Brian and i'm just totally staggered at why the entire Brexit process wasn't put on hold until proceedings against Banks have been properly heard. It's crystal clear that with some it's Brexit at any cost....even if laws have been broken or they need to break a few more to achieve it. The criminal investigation into Banks is an extremely serious matter and those flippantly ignoring it or trying to brush the matter under the carpet are, in my opinion, culpable of subverting democracy and, if Banks is found guilty, culpable of assisting criminality.

I would never be comfortable living with that and i'm shocked and disappointed by those who crowed so loudly about justice, but in reality only want justice when favourable to their own political ends. That isn't democracy.....it's totalitarianism.
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........



Edited by pelmetman 2018-11-25 8:07 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........

Jeeez.......this has to be the most insane 'reason' i've yet read for wanting Brexit at any cost.
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........

Jeeez.......this has to be the most insane 'reason' i've yet read for wanting Brexit at any cost.


Because there wont be any cost Bullet ........

We'll be taking back control of £350 million quid A WEEK ..........

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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........

Jeeez.......this has to be the most insane 'reason' i've yet read for wanting Brexit at any cost.


Because there wont be any cost Bullet ........

We'll be taking back control of £350 million quid A WEEK ..........

No you won't and you know you won't as that's been explained very clearly to you from Brian (it was noticed you were unable to dispute what he said too).
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........



Leave how though? Thats the six million dollar question. Nobody likes the deal Theresa is proposing and even less people seem to favour your Kamikaze cliff edge chaos no deal Brexit. If it comes to a choice of Theresa's deal or no deal though your option would be the fastest route to us rejoining so ill go for no deal in that case. Throws Ni under the bus but hopefully not for long.

Edited by Barryd999 2018-11-25 10:06 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-24 2:14 PM.........…………... In fact once it was known Banks was under criminal investigation, Brexit proceedings should have been put on hold as we still don't know whether democracy was subverted and May still hasn't given an answer as to why she blocked security services from investigating him two years ago. This appears to be getting swept under the carpet.

See here: http://tinyurl.com/yavg5t3t
A further case is being fast-tracked through the high court to determine whether, in view of Banks' shenanigans, the Article 50 notice was invalid. Apparently set to be heard before Christmas.

If only the UK government had observed UK law (made in our very own treasured parliament, of course, by our very own duly elected MPs), in exactly the way those who voted to be freed from EU laws wanted, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Instead, they seem to be riding roughshod over UK law in their anxiety to ram through Brexit. How foolish. What a disgrace that a UK government of whatever political persuasion (but especially the self-avowed party of law and order) has to be taken to court by its citizens to force it to comply with its own laws. What have we become?


What better Christmas present than to find that Brexit is simply "Void" and all because of the Criminal Arron Banks. Oh the irony.

Its a great get of jail free card for the Tories as well if Brexit is cancelled because of a corrupt campaign. Not our fault Gov.


Do you ACTUALLY THINK that if Brexit is thwarted the UK will go back to some pre Brexit La La Land Barry? .........





Probably after a few weeks of shouting and screaming. Despite what we might think on social media most of the country have lost interest. If we end up staying though I wouldn't be against reviewing the matter in say five years time. When you think about it, its without doubt that we have made a complete pigs ear of this attempt I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Better to live to fight another day and be better prepared than to continue now with this half arsed fudge.


Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

What are you afraid of? .........



Leave how though? Thats the six million dollar question. Nobody likes the deal Theresa is proposing and even less people seem to favour your Kamikaze cliff edge chaos no deal Brexit. If it comes to a choice of Theresa's deal or no deal though your option would be the fastest route to us rejoining so ill go for no deal in that case. Throws Ni under the bus but hopefully not for long.

Maybe you missed Brians link. In addition to what i opened this thread with, the criminal case against Banks could void the entire batty Brexit business and sink it for good.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-void-high-court-ruling-arron-banks-investigation-when-december-christmas-a8649001.html
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-25 9:08 PM

No you won't and you know you won't as that's been explained very clearly to you from Brian (it was noticed you were unable to dispute what he said too).


If we leave with no deal we will ...........

BTW I view Brian's propaganda with the same cynical eye as yours .........

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My reply was so good it repeated itself ............



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No you won't and you know you won't as that's been explained very clearly to you from Brian (it was noticed you were unable to dispute what he said too).


If we leave with no deal we will ...........

BTW I view Brian's propaganda with the same cynical eye as yours .........

I realise you are often away with the fairies in your parallel universe, but there never was nor is, any "£350 million a week", even though it said so on the side of big red bus.

Brian spent far more time and patience than i have with you explaining this to you very clearly. So you cannot "take back control" of something that was never there in the first place.
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 8:06 PM.........………….
1 Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

2 What are you afraid of? .........

On all present evidence, it is not better to leave. So leaving just so that we could say "I told you so" would be self destructive and highly irresponsible? We can't just join again, if leave turns out to be a bad and costly decision.

2 The economic consequences of leaving.
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 8:06 PM.........………….
1 Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

2 What are you afraid of? .........

On all present evidence, it is not better to leave. So leaving just so that we could say "I told you so" would be self destructive and highly irresponsible? We can't just join again, if leave turns out to be a bad and costly decision.

2 The economic consequences of leaving.

His answer as posted elsewhere to the same was he "couldn't give a toss".....which begs the question why he bothered to vote in the first place!
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pelmetman - 2018-11-25 8:06 PM.........………….
1 Is it not better to leave ........and then you whinging Remoaners can tell us we told you so ...........

2 What are you afraid of? .........

On all present evidence, it is not better to leave. So leaving just so that we could say "I told you so" would be self destructive and highly irresponsible? We can't just join again, if leave turns out to be a bad and costly decision.

2 The economic consequences of leaving.


1......There is No "Evidence" ........Just Remoaner hyperbole .........

2......The only known "Actual"economic consequences of leaving without a deal are...... we'll immediately take back control of £350 million a week, control of our borders, and our laws........

Not forgetting the Bruce'y bonus of saving £39 Billion ........
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-26 12:55 PM

I realise you are often away with the fairies in your parallel universe, but there never was nor is, any "£350 million a week", even though it said so on the side of big red bus.

Brian spent far more time and patience than i have with you explaining this to you very clearly. So you cannot "take back control" of something that was never there in the first place.


Just for a bit of clarity ........

Boris Johnson
September 17, 2017 ·
You may have seen the UK stats authority comments today. Here is my official reply back to Sir David Norgrove.

Dear Sir David

I must say that I was surprised and disappointed by your letter of today, since it was based on what appeared to be a wilful distortion of the text of my article.

When we spoke you conceded that you were more concerned by the headline and the BBC coverage, though you accepted that I was not responsible for those. I suggest if the BBC coverage offends you that you write to the BBC.

You say that I claim that there would be £350 million that "might be available for extra public spending" when we leave the EU.

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said and I would like you to withdraw it. I in fact said : "once we have settled our accounts we will take back control of roughly £350m per week. It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS. "

That is very different from claiming that there would be an extra £350m available for public spending and I am amazed that you should impute such a statement to me.

You claim in your defence that we would not really be taking back control of that sum, because it includes the rebate and other EU spending in this country. But, as you accept, these sums - amounting to about half the £350 million - are spent at the discretion of the EU. We do not control them.

To give you an example: when I was Mayor of London I thought it would be a good idea if we persuaded the Commission to spend £8m on the Emirates cable car. We succeeded, and the Commissioner concerned was so delighted with the results that he said he would like to fund some more cable cars in London. I was delighted, too, and was glad to have steered some of our EU contributions back to this country. But the decision was his. Control was in the hands of the Commission, not the UK. Or do you suggest otherwise ?

As for the balance of the £350 million, it of course disappears around the rest of the EU, and is spent as the EU sees fit in other countries. Once we leave the EU we will take back control of all such UK-funded spending, and, although of course I have no doubt that we will continue to spend significantly on UK priorities such as agriculture and research, that spending will be done under UK control.

As for the rebate - whose value you did not know - it only forms part of the EU’s financing arrangements with the agreement of all other EU Member States. We do not control it ourselves.

What is beyond doubt is that, upon withdrawal, we will have complete discretion over the £350m per week and that huge sums will indeed will be available for public spending on priorities such as the NHS. I believe that would be a fine thing.

If you had any concerns about my article, it would of course have been open to you to address the points with me in private rather than in this way in a public letter. As it is, if you seriously disagree with any of the above, I look forward to hearing your reasoning.

Boris Johnson
Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs

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pelmetman - 2018-11-27 8:24 AM
1......There is No "Evidence" ........Just Remoaner hyperbole .........

2......The only known "Actual"economic consequences of leaving without a deal are...... we'll immediately take back control of £350 million a week, control of our borders, and our laws........

Not forgetting the Bruce'y bonus of saving £39 Billion ........

1 There is, but you won't read/understand it.

2 Wrong, because the £350 million a week was a) £200 million a week, and b) not "actual", but a forecast.

The £39 billion is a consequence of the decision to leave the EU. It is not a fixed sum (it is calculated in €), and it is unlikely the sum payable would be any different were we to leave with no deal. It represents the value of future payments the UK had undertaken to make to the EU. If you withdraw from contractual commitments, you incur debts to the other party. If we leave, however we do so, the debt arises.
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Bulletguy - 2018-11-26 12:55 PM

I realise you are often away with the fairies in your parallel universe, but there never was nor is, any "£350 million a week", even though it said so on the side of big red bus.

Brian spent far more time and patience than i have with you explaining this to you very clearly. So you cannot "take back control" of something that was never there in the first place.


Just for a bit of clarity ........

You'll note Brians post and respond? Be interesting to read your latest deflection as you''re running out off excuses.
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