Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Pelmet won't like this and still be trying to make 7000+ a "higher" figure than 30,000+ of deaths. UK now has highest coronavirus death rate in Europe Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed more than 32,000 people in the UK have died with suspected Covid-19, which is more than Italy, previously Europe’s worst hit country. There were 29,648 Covid-19 deaths in England and Wales, as of April 24. Including deaths for Scotland and Northern Ireland, the toll now stands at 32,313. https://tinyurl.com/yb2ud9yu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 No,we are fourth highest death Rate. See below https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/ Belgium is the highest rate. Highest number and highest rate are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 and when you consider we started off in the strongest position, having plenty of notice, being surrounded by water so it could only come through the borders BoJo had 'taken back control' of. If only they had tested and quarantined at the borders, or at least started the lockdown when Jeremy Corbyn was asking them to do. .. and yet we still have morons sucking up all the spin put out by the Downing Street Press Briefings, saying 'Boris is doing a good job', snitching on their own class for harmlessly self isolating in a motorHome , whist ignoring BoJo and the Duke of Cornwall taking the virus to their second homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-05 2:46 PM No,we are fourth highest death Rate. See below https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/ Belgium is the highest rate. Highest number and highest rate are two different things. That's per 100,000 population j/start as opposed to total rate, or number if you prefer. Thats what Pelmet has been using to try minimising our own horrendous figure of 32,313 against Belgiums 8,016 (as of today). As Brian said on the other thread 'population size does not govern rates of infection. Government actions govern rates of infection, and the UK has among the worst.' So UK has the highest death rate now and has overtaken that of Italy just as i predicted yesterday it would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I think you would need to qualify your figures as being Total death rate. To have a comparison of figures you need to take an equal density of population,hence per 100,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-05 3:32 PM I think you would need to qualify your figures as being Total death rate. To have a comparison of figures you need to take an equal density of population,hence per 100,000. They are total death figures for both countries and fairly easy to see that 32,313 is a much higher figure than 8,016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtravel Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 As far as I know, Belgium is the only country to count all the deceased regardless of whether pneumonia is caused by coronavirus or not. It also appears to be the only one to accurately track events in care homes for the elderly. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstart Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 3:41 PM jumpstart - 2020-05-05 3:32 PM I think you would need to qualify your figures as being Total death rate. To have a comparison of figures you need to take an equal density of population,hence per 100,000. They are total death figures for both countries and fairly easy to see that 32,313 is a much higher figure than 8,016. With statistics it is standard to use 100,000 population size to compare. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19bylocalareasanddeprivation/deathsoccurringbetween1marchand17april This does not affect the Total number of deaths rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Sad darlings ... 1 , 1000 , 10.000 , 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 jumpstart - 2020-05-05 4:00 PM...………………………. This does not affect the Total number of deaths rate. Begging pardon, but actually the total number of deaths is not a rate, as a rate must be expressed as a ratio (i.e. 1 in 100, 1 in 1,000 etc) of some sort. A total is just that, and it becomes pointless quoting total deaths in the absence of population figures for comparative purposes. It is the number of deaths per (in the present case 100,000) of population, over a constant time (ideally the number of weeks since the first case in the country) that would give a rough guide as to how effectively this or that country has dealt with the virus. So what we really need is weekly figures, expressed as x per 100.000 for each week since week 1. Then we could see the national rates of spread. It's all there somewhere, but I haven't seen any log of week on week figures. Has anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Und the rest ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8289221/The-Sage-Files-UK-scientists-believe-coronavirus-cases-China-TEN-TIMES-higher-claimed.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK ... Maybe the Tories are to blame for Chinas failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless Government inactions, indecisiveness, sloppy handling, and downgrading Covid-19 to weaken PPE guidelines they themselves had originally drawn up but now chose to ignore, is inexcusable so criticism is certainly justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 6:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless Government inactions, indecisiveness, sloppy handling, and downgrading Covid-19 to weaken PPE guidelines they themselves had originally drawn up but now chose to ignore, is inexcusable so criticism is certainly justified. You forgot to list the one thing that outweighs all those youve mentioned ... Our Government currently by a large majority is Conservative ... Like others on here thats your gripe ... Hate on ... Hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:21 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 6:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless Government inactions, indecisiveness, sloppy handling, and downgrading Covid-19 to weaken PPE guidelines they themselves had originally drawn up but now chose to ignore, is inexcusable so criticism is certainly justified. You forgot to list the one thing that outweighs all those youve mentioned ... Our Government currently by a large majority is Conservative ... Like others on here thats your gripe ... Hate on ... Hater How could anyone not criticise all the aforementioned facts........apart from the most rabid fanatical Tory supporter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:21 PM . Our Government currently by a large majority is Conservative ... Like others on here thats your gripe ... Hate on ... Hater So the best you can do is to say we can't point out their failings because they are Conservatives :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 What I find obscene is the creation of sensationalist headlines and manipulation of such figures purely to try to make a political point. But then again, why would I expect any better behaviour from politically motivated miscreants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 John52 - 2020-05-05 6:59 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:21 PM . Our Government currently by a large majority is Conservative ... Like others on here thats your gripe ... Hate on ... Hater So the best you can do is to say we can't point out their failings because they are Conservatives :-( Err ... Please show where I said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 6:47 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:21 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 6:17 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless Government inactions, indecisiveness, sloppy handling, and downgrading Covid-19 to weaken PPE guidelines they themselves had originally drawn up but now chose to ignore, is inexcusable so criticism is certainly justified. You forgot to list the one thing that outweighs all those youve mentioned ... Our Government currently by a large majority is Conservative ... Like others on here thats your gripe ... Hate on ... Hater How could anyone not criticise all the aforementioned facts........apart from the most rabid fanatical Tory supporter? I will condemn our Government whatever rosette colour they wear as and when it is has been shown they didn't act as they should ... You condemn simply because they are Tories ... Hate on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Tracker - 2020-05-05 7:05 PM What I find obscene is the creation of sensationalist headlines and manipulation of such figures purely to try to make a political point. But then again, why would I expect any better behaviour from politically motivated miscreants? There is the NHS site but that gives a daily count as opposed to current total. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ Telegraph The UK now has the highest Covid-19 death toll in Europe totalling 32,375, the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) data shows https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-test-track-contact-tracing-cases-update/ This FT article from last month is interesting; https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rael Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless The problem with trying to lay the blame on whole countries is you always get some thick tosspots deciding the easy solution is to attack someone from that country. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hate-crimes-against-chinese-people-soar-in-uk-during-covid-19-crisis-11979388 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 7:57 PM Tracker - 2020-05-05 7:05 PM What I find obscene is the creation of sensationalist headlines and manipulation of such figures purely to try to make a political point. But then again, why would I expect any better behaviour from politically motivated miscreants? There is the NHS site but that gives a daily count as opposed to current total. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ Telegraph The UK now has the highest Covid-19 death toll in Europe totalling 32,375, the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) data shows https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-test-track-contact-tracing-cases-update/ This FT article from last month is interesting; https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab None of which excuses your attempts to make a political point out of tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 rael - 2020-05-05 7:57 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 6:47 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-05-05 5:28 PM Birdbrain - 2020-05-05 5:11 PM Sad darlings ... 1, 1000, 10.000, 100.000 deaths and not one mention of the numero uno culprits ... The Chinese ... Maybe its racist to say it No Antony it's pointless, not racist - as we all know where it originated, so it is not necessary to keep harping on about it. We are where we now are, and we have to go forward, not back. So its OK to blame our Government because "we are where we are" but to blame the country of its origin is pointless The problem with trying to lay the blame on whole countries is you always get some thick tosspots deciding the easy solution is to attack someone from that country. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hate-crimes-against-chinese-people-soar-in-uk-during-covid-19-crisis-11979388 Ye I get ya ... 260 alleged race attacks here in Blighty with no deaths against 30.000 confirmed covid19 deaths from a virus the Chinese crushed info on , including shutting up a Chinese doctor who tried to expose it to the world ... Dummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Tracker - 2020-05-05 8:02 PM Bulletguy - 2020-05-05 7:57 PM Tracker - 2020-05-05 7:05 PM What I find obscene is the creation of sensationalist headlines and manipulation of such figures purely to try to make a political point. But then again, why would I expect any better behaviour from politically motivated miscreants? There is the NHS site but that gives a daily count as opposed to current total. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ Telegraph The UK now has the highest Covid-19 death toll in Europe totalling 32,375, the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) data shows https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-test-track-contact-tracing-cases-update/ This FT article from last month is interesting; https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab None of which excuses your attempts to make a political point out of tragedy. He has form ... Grenfell was another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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