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userBulletguy
Posted: 2 July 2020 4:50 PM
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Police have arrested 746 suspects and seized more than £54 million in the UK’s biggest ever crime operation. A military-grade encrypted communication system used by organised criminals trading in drugs and guns was hacked in a four-year investigation involving police teams across the world.

Thousands of officers from the National Crime Agency (NCA), regional crime squads and every force in the UK took part in the massive international sting.

Serious stuff right up there in the top league after police had hacked into a sophisticated encrypted comms network.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/02/746-arrests-54000000-seized-encrochat-secret-police-hacking-12934301/


userBulletguy
Posted: 2 July 2020 5:37 PM
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Seems Encrochat wasn't as sophisticated as they thought!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3aza95/how-police-took-over-encrochat-hacked


And.......typically, there's even a YouTube 'how to' vid on it! Good old YT!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdugZjTPho


BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk
userBarryd999
Posted: 2 July 2020 6:50 PM
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I believe it was the French and Dutch Police that cracked it.

Just goes to show how important cross border policing and data sharing in Europe is huh?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-dutch-police-bust-encrypted-criminal-communications-71572298#:~:text=THE%20HAGUE%2C%20Netherlands%20%2D%2D%20Dutch,and%20torture%2C%20officers%20announced%20Thursday.
userJohn52
Posted: 2 July 2020 11:18 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not
userJohn52
Posted: 2 July 2020 11:19 PM
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Barryd999 - 2020-07-02 6:50 PM

I believe it was the French and Dutch Police that cracked it.

Just goes to show how important cross border policing and data sharing in Europe is huh?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-dutch-police-bust-encrypted-criminal-communications-71572298#:~:text=THE%20HAGUE%2C%20Netherlands%20%2D%2D%20Dutch,and%20torture%2C%20officers%20announced%20Thursday.


Indeed
Won't stop BoJo claiming the credit for it though
userBulletguy
Posted: 3 July 2020 2:13 PM
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John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.
userpelmetman
Posted: 3 July 2020 2:52 PM
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I see the Forums CB Loser Muppet Munchkins have been having a field day of self flagellation .......

userJohn52
Posted: 3 July 2020 4:36 PM
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Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.

Edited by John52 2020-07-03 4:38 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 3 July 2020 4:52 PM
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John52 - 2020-07-03 4:36 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.


Yes dear Deidre... Lefty Loser....... if you say so ........

Talking of money ......

How is your Warren Buffet stash going? ......

Just askin for a idiot who has never invested ......

userJohn52
Posted: 4 July 2020 8:17 AM
Subject: RE: UK's largest crime bust
 


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pelmetman - 2020-07-03 4:52 PM

John52 - 2020-07-03 4:36 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.


Yes dear Deidre... Lefty Loser....... if you say so ........

Talking of money ......

How is your Warren Buffet stash going? ......

Just askin for a idiot who has never invested ......



Its well up
https://markets.ft.com/data/etfs/tearsheet/summary?s=CSP1:LSE:GBX
Which is kind of reassuring and worrying that it has a long way to fall
But I'd be more worried if it was all in £ cash with BoJo in charge
userpelmetman
Posted: 5 July 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: UK's largest crime bust
 


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John52 - 2020-07-04 8:17 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-03 4:52 PM

John52 - 2020-07-03 4:36 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.


Yes dear Deidre... Lefty Loser....... if you say so ........

Talking of money ......

How is your Warren Buffet stash going? ......

Just askin for a idiot who has never invested ......



Its well up
https://markets.ft.com/data/etfs/tearsheet/summary?s=CSP1:LSE:GBX
Which is kind of reassuring and worrying that it has a long way to fall
But I'd be more worried if it was all in £ cash with BoJo in charge


They've prolly been boosted by all those jobs Trump has created recently ...........

userJohn52
Posted: 5 July 2020 5:50 PM
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pelmetman - 2020-07-05 8:48 AM

John52 - 2020-07-04 8:17 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-03 4:52 PM

John52 - 2020-07-03 4:36 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.


Yes dear Deidre... Lefty Loser....... if you say so ........

Talking of money ......

How is your Warren Buffet stash going? ......

Just askin for a idiot who has never invested ......



Its well up
https://markets.ft.com/data/etfs/tearsheet/summary?s=CSP1:LSE:GBX
Which is kind of reassuring and worrying that it has a long way to fall
But I'd be more worried if it was all in £ cash with BoJo in charge


They've prolly been boosted by all those jobs Trump has created recently ...........



More like your Brexit Crash of the £ against the $
userBarryd999
Posted: 5 July 2020 6:33 PM
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John52 - 2020-07-04 8:17 AM

pelmetman - 2020-07-03 4:52 PM

John52 - 2020-07-03 4:36 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-03 2:13 PM

John52 - 2020-07-02 11:18 PM

Bulletguy - 2020-07-02 5:37 PM




BUT.......British law is very complex!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP9yskzjSOk

My understanding is
They want to hack our phones and computers, but they don't want us hacking theirs.
So a judge appointed by BoJo decides, on a case by case basis, whether its legal or not

Well it's certainly worth listening to that barrister giving a short explanation of how the authorities will have to tread very carefully to keep within the law, but as shown in the other clip, Encrocrypt was hardly as secure as the users seemed to think it was anyway and very easy to access.

It's worth remembering computer records was Dr Shipmans undoing and sealed his fate as police seized his surgery computer which was then examined by an IT forensics guy who found numerous alterations he'd made regarding cause of death, in some cases actually altering the date/time of death BEFORE killing the patient. Coupled with his sheer arrogance once police presented him with that fact he was left with nowhere to go so sat the rest of the interview out with his back turned! He knew then his game was up.

These chumps would have been better off using old tech methods of comms such as one time pads as used in 60's espionage. No encryption is unbreakable when sent electronically.


Yes but looking at who they have got so far in England doesn't look like they have got the top Dogs.
They don't touch the drugs, or the violence, and get someone else to do the day to day running as well.
But they can't distance themselves from the money, and thats how they are usually found - with money they can't explain.
Like Al Capone wasn't done for murder, racketeering etc, just for tax evasion because he couldn't explain his wealth.
Same with the Adams family in North London.
Problem is Britain's opaque property laws - the same laws the Duke of Westminster used to avoid paying tax on his £10 billion inheritance, can be used by the drugs lords to hide their wealth. So London has become the EU cesspit of dirty money.


Yes dear Deidre... Lefty Loser....... if you say so ........

Talking of money ......

How is your Warren Buffet stash going? ......

Just askin for a idiot who has never invested ......



Its well up
https://markets.ft.com/data/etfs/tearsheet/summary?s=CSP1:LSE:GBX
Which is kind of reassuring and worrying that it has a long way to fall
But I'd be more worried if it was all in £ cash with BoJo in charge


That graph looks similar if better to some but its got that massive dip from March that they all had but its still not back where it was. FTSE All share index hasnt recovered as well. About half way I think. I watch it every day as my new motorhome fund is in the fecker. Back in March it looked like it would just about pay for the tyres.
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