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Posted: 23 January 2021 7:19 PM
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Posted: 23 January 2021 7:43 PM
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Posted: 23 January 2021 8:15 PM
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pelmetman - 2021-01-23 6:53 PM

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Brian Kirby - 2021-01-23 3:24 PM

However, it seems reasonably clear that the vaccination has little useful effect for the first two weeks following the first injection, with its protective benefit only arriving after the third week. It seems he must have picked up the virus relatively soon after the first injection, before he had developed sufficient anti-body to fight it off. It appears just a very sad and unfortunate chance conjunction of events.


Unfortunately .gov haven't seen fit to fully advise those getting the jab of it's limitations, surely just a small leaflet would suffice. How many times have we seen on TV patients saying along lines of "now I can go and hug my grandchildren", t'other week on radio phone in someone said this, the hosts didn't even bother to tell her not too.




Colin I had my first jab this morning and along with my card showing which anti-virus I had been given I received a leaflet by public health England giving a great deal of information and on the 2nd page it tells that "there is no cure for COVID-19" so the leaflet is available. It also informs that the vaccinations help to reduce the risk of complications.


Thanks for the update .......

This could have been a useful thread if it hadn't been hyjacked by the usual LOSERS doing their usual Boris Bashing ........

Get a Life LOSERS ........


Its not a useful thread because its mainly guesswork.
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Posted: 23 January 2021 9:15 PM
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pelmetman - 2021-01-23 6:53 PM

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colin - 2021-01-23 3:48 PM

Brian Kirby - 2021-01-23 3:24 PM

However, it seems reasonably clear that the vaccination has little useful effect for the first two weeks following the first injection, with its protective benefit only arriving after the third week. It seems he must have picked up the virus relatively soon after the first injection, before he had developed sufficient anti-body to fight it off. It appears just a very sad and unfortunate chance conjunction of events.


Unfortunately .gov haven't seen fit to fully advise those getting the jab of it's limitations, surely just a small leaflet would suffice. How many times have we seen on TV patients saying along lines of "now I can go and hug my grandchildren", t'other week on radio phone in someone said this, the hosts didn't even bother to tell her not too.




Colin I had my first jab this morning and along with my card showing which anti-virus I had been given I received a leaflet by public health England giving a great deal of information and on the 2nd page it tells that "there is no cure for COVID-19" so the leaflet is available. It also informs that the vaccinations help to reduce the risk of complications.


Thanks for the update .......

This could have been a useful thread if it hadn't been hyjacked by the usual LOSERS doing their usual Boris Bashing ........

Get a Life LOSERS ........


Finally got the wifi working in the luxury greenhouse then.
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Posted: 23 January 2021 9:29 PM
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Well I had my zoom interview yesterday to become a volunteer vaccinator, I've now got to compete some online training courses that take approximately eight hours and a one day "hands on" course which will be putting on and removing PPE and I'll probably be injecting a lot of oranges, again.

Part of the online course which I started this evening is about the three vaccines we might be using, so that we can answer peoples questions about them, I note with interest that the only mention of the second injection is that they will be contacted as to when to come in for it. Although I'd guess when these learning programmes were put together it wasn't the issue it is today. In theory it will be two weeks before I'm let loose on the general public, here's hoping it's all resolved by then!

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Posted: 23 January 2021 9:33 PM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-23 9:15 PM

pelmetman - 2021-01-23 6:53 PM

teflon2 - 2021-01-23 6:16 PM

colin - 2021-01-23 3:48 PM

Brian Kirby - 2021-01-23 3:24 PM

However, it seems reasonably clear that the vaccination has little useful effect for the first two weeks following the first injection, with its protective benefit only arriving after the third week. It seems he must have picked up the virus relatively soon after the first injection, before he had developed sufficient anti-body to fight it off. It appears just a very sad and unfortunate chance conjunction of events.


Unfortunately .gov haven't seen fit to fully advise those getting the jab of it's limitations, surely just a small leaflet would suffice. How many times have we seen on TV patients saying along lines of "now I can go and hug my grandchildren", t'other week on radio phone in someone said this, the hosts didn't even bother to tell her not too.




Colin I had my first jab this morning and along with my card showing which anti-virus I had been given I received a leaflet by public health England giving a great deal of information and on the 2nd page it tells that "there is no cure for COVID-19" so the leaflet is available. It also informs that the vaccinations help to reduce the risk of complications.


Thanks for the update .......

This could have been a useful thread if it hadn't been hyjacked by the usual LOSERS doing their usual Boris Bashing ........

Get a Life LOSERS ........


Finally got the wifi working in the luxury greenhouse then.


Not until Thursday .........

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Posted: 23 January 2021 9:38 PM
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-23 9:29 PM

Well I had my zoom interview yesterday to become a volunteer vaccinator, I've now got to compete some online training courses that take approximately eight hours and a one day "hands on" course which will be putting on and removing PPE and I'll probably be injecting a lot of oranges, again.

Part of the online course which I started this evening is about the three vaccines we might be using, so that we can answer peoples questions about them, I note with interest that the only mention of the second injection is that they will be contacted as to when to come in for it. Although I'd guess when these learning programmes were put together it wasn't the issue it is today. In theory it will be two weeks before I'm let loose on the general public, here's hoping it's all resolved by then!



Well done you. Nice one.
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Posted: 23 January 2021 10:08 PM
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-23 9:29 PM

Well I had my zoom interview yesterday to become a volunteer vaccinator, I've now got to compete some online training courses that take approximately eight hours and a one day "hands on" course which will be putting on and removing PPE and I'll probably be injecting a lot of oranges, again.

Part of the online course which I started this evening is about the three vaccines we might be using, so that we can answer peoples questions about them, I note with interest that the only mention of the second injection is that they will be contacted as to when to come in for it. Although I'd guess when these learning programmes were put together it wasn't the issue it is today. In theory it will be two weeks before I'm let loose on the general public, here's hoping it's all resolved by then!



Well done you. Nice one.


Purely selfish! If we're going to get travelling again then need to get everyone jabbed as soon as possible.

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Posted: 23 January 2021 11:18 PM
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-23 10:08 PM

Barryd999 - 2021-01-23 9:38 PM

CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-23 9:29 PM

Well I had my zoom interview yesterday to become a volunteer vaccinator, I've now got to compete some online training courses that take approximately eight hours and a one day "hands on" course which will be putting on and removing PPE and I'll probably be injecting a lot of oranges, again.

Part of the online course which I started this evening is about the three vaccines we might be using, so that we can answer peoples questions about them, I note with interest that the only mention of the second injection is that they will be contacted as to when to come in for it. Although I'd guess when these learning programmes were put together it wasn't the issue it is today. In theory it will be two weeks before I'm let loose on the general public, here's hoping it's all resolved by then!



Well done you. Nice one.


Purely selfish! If we're going to get travelling again then need to get everyone jabbed as soon as possible.



Nah. Hats off. You are putting yourself at risk to help others in a crisis and for free. Thats commendable.

I have heard you have to jump through hoops to be able to do it, hope its not too complicated.
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Posted: 24 January 2021 12:23 AM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-23 9:38 PM

CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-23 9:29 PM

Well I had my zoom interview yesterday to become a volunteer vaccinator, I've now got to compete some online training courses that take approximately eight hours and a one day "hands on" course which will be putting on and removing PPE and I'll probably be injecting a lot of oranges, again.

Part of the online course which I started this evening is about the three vaccines we might be using, so that we can answer peoples questions about them, I note with interest that the only mention of the second injection is that they will be contacted as to when to come in for it. Although I'd guess when these learning programmes were put together it wasn't the issue it is today. In theory it will be two weeks before I'm let loose on the general public, here's hoping it's all resolved by then!



Well done you. Nice one.


Purely selfish! If we're going to get travelling again then need to get everyone jabbed as soon as possible.



Nah. Hats off. You are putting yourself at risk to help others in a crisis and for free. Thats commendable.

I have heard you have to jump through hoops to be able to do it, hope its not too complicated.


The madness is I, as just a advanced wilderness first aider, have to do less training courses than a friend in a neighbouring village who retired as a GP just three years ago. But that's bureaucracy for you.
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Posted: 24 January 2021 8:08 AM
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UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle
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Posted: 24 January 2021 9:23 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-24 8:08 AM

UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle


Except we have not vaccinated anywhere near 10%. Having a first jab is not being vaccinated. Its having a first jab. You are not vaccinated until you have had the full course and Johnson took a massive gamble by going against the recommendations of the vaccine manufacturers and most of the scientific advice changing the second jab time from three weeks to three months.

Edited by Barryd999 2021-01-24 9:24 AM
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Posted: 24 January 2021 10:46 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-24 8:08 AM

UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle


Except we have not vaccinated anywhere near 10%.


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... and the EU isn't a country.

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Posted: 24 January 2021 11:35 AM
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UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle


Except we have not vaccinated anywhere near 10%. Having a first jab is not being vaccinated. Its having a first jab. You are not vaccinated until you have had the full course and Johnson took a massive gamble by going against the recommendations of the vaccine manufacturers and most of the scientific advice changing the second jab time from three weeks to three months.


Chuckle ... We might not want to do EU countries by individual percentages ... We might find certain EU countries aint anywhere near 1.8% vaccinated ... Its OK for me to disagree isnt it??? ... Not guna go through the whole hate campaign again???
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Posted: 24 January 2021 2:17 PM
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I know this is a long read but to those interested in where the virus came from and could it happen again.......this is fascinating.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
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Posted: 24 January 2021 4:35 PM
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UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle


Except we have not vaccinated anywhere near 10%.


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... and the EU isn't a country.


Brainless thinks it is but funniest part is going off his figures, with a total population of 450 million, 1.8% puts the EU ahead of the UK by almost 2 million!
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Posted: 24 January 2021 7:45 PM
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UK = Nearly 10% of population vaccinated ... EU = 1.8% of population vaccinated ... Boris bad guy ... EU good guy ... Chuckle


Except we have not vaccinated anywhere near 10%.


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... and the EU isn't a country.


Brainless thinks it is but funniest part is going off his figures, with a total population of 450 million, 1.8% puts the EU ahead of the UK by almost 2 million!


Dont recall ever once claiming the EU is a county
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Posted: 24 January 2021 8:03 PM
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Lies,lies and more lies....

The Canary: Matt Hancock’s lies just crashed and burned live on TV.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2021/01/24/matt-hancocks-lies-just-crashed-and-burned-live-on-tv/
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Posted: 24 January 2021 8:12 PM
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Posted: 24 January 2021 8:22 PM
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jumpstart - 2021-01-24 8:03 PM

Lies,lies and more lies....

The Canary: Matt Hancock’s lies just crashed and burned live on TV.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2021/01/24/matt-hancocks-lies-just-crashed-and-burned-live-on-tv/

Precisely the point Barry made in a post up thread. Government are falsely inflating the figures by claiming "over 5 million vaccinated" when the fact is they haven't because 75% have only received their first jab.

From your link;

Dr Rosie Shire from the Doctors’ Association UK told from the tweet below] Dixon:

It’s really important just to mention here that we’re hearing a lot of statistics about three quarters of over-80s have been vaccinated. Well actually, no – they haven’t been.

Three quarters of over-80 year-olds have received their first dose of the vaccination. And they’re not going to be fully vaccinated until they’ve received that second dose. And if they’ve had the Pfizer vaccination, we don’t know if they are going to be fully vaccinated when they receive the second dose, because that schedule has been changed from what was studied and what was licenced.
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Posted: 24 January 2021 8:52 PM
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Unbelievable....

Evening Standard: Rioters torch Covid testing facility as Dutch police clash with lockdown protesters in Amsterdam.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/amsterdam-lockdown-protests-fire-covid-testing-b900951.html
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jumpstart - 2021-01-24 8:52 PM

Unbelievable....

Evening Standard: Rioters torch Covid testing facility as Dutch police clash with lockdown protesters in Amsterdam.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/amsterdam-lockdown-protests-fire-covid-testing-b900951.html

Idiots are probably Covid deniers and anti-vaxxers. Their time will come when any one of them is gasping for breath in hospital with the Grim Reaper hovering.
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Posted: 25 January 2021 9:23 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-24 8:12 PM

Chuckle ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1353405114875166721 ... Merci Macron xxx


Where Great Britain leads.......the EU trails behind ...........

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Posted: 25 January 2021 9:54 AM
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Here are more extremists , probably should be excluded from getting a jab......

Al Jazeera English: Israeli ultra-Orthodox clash with police over school closures.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/24/israeli-ultra-orthodox-clash-with-police-over-school-closures

Edited by jumpstart 2021-01-25 9:55 AM
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Posted: 25 January 2021 10:01 AM
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Credit where credit is due. The roll out of the first shots of the vaccine does seem to be going well but lets remember who is responsible for that. The NHS and Public health England. Not the Tories.

For once we have a Covid success story. Two vaccines developed and approved in record time in Europe through cooperation and a monumental effort by European scientists and then rolled out by our NHS in double quick time.

The reason its a success is the Government have had fcuk all to do with it! Just look at everything they have had a hand in like the failed track and trace system, the procurement of PPE and just about anything they have spaffed billions on to their dodgy mates where everyone down the chain skims a piece off the top of the pie before what is delivered is total s**te. At least (so far) they have been unable to taint this one.

Of course they have still stuck their mitts in and decided to meddle with against scientific advice the roll out of the second jab to complete the vaccine. A total gamble.
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Of course they have still stuck their mitts in and decided to meddle with against scientific advice the roll out of the second jab to complete the vaccine. A total gamble.


There are reports that a number of people have died of the virus after their first jab, while waiting for the second.

Let's just hope that does not mean that the governments experiment on the eldely and vulnerable people has not failed.

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Of course they have still stuck their mitts in and decided to meddle with against scientific advice the roll out of the second jab to complete the vaccine. A total gamble.


There are reports that a number of people have died of the virus after their first jab, while waiting for the second.

Let's just hope that does not mean that the governments experiment on the eldely and vulnerable people has failed.




Edited to correct last line !

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Posted: 25 January 2021 11:05 AM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-25 10:01 AM

Credit where credit is due. The roll out of the first shots of the vaccine does seem to be going well but lets remember who is responsible for that. The NHS and Public health England. Not the Tories.

For once we have a Covid success story. Two vaccines developed and approved in record time in Europe through cooperation and a monumental effort by European scientists and then rolled out by our NHS in double quick time.

The reason its a success is the Government have had fcuk all to do with it! Just look at everything they have had a hand in like the failed track and trace system, the procurement of PPE and just about anything they have spaffed billions on to their dodgy mates where everyone down the chain skims a piece off the top of the pie before what is delivered is total s**te. At least (so far) they have been unable to taint this one.

Of course they have still stuck their mitts in and decided to meddle with against scientific advice the roll out of the second jab to complete the vaccine. A total gamble.


You seem to suffering from memory loss.
One of the reasons the UK is in this advantageous position was Boris's gamble on staying out of the EU buying program and going it alone, he was criticised on this very forum for doing this, but it paid off.
So 'Credit where credit is due', it's one of the few things .gov has got right.
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Posted: 25 January 2021 11:11 AM
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Although overall the figures sound encouraging ,as has been mentioned, they are very "patchy"...
I saw figures for our county over the weekend and they were only running at 49% of over 80s having been vaccinated, whereas many of the surrounding counties were at 60-70% upwards(one at 89%!).
I also heard/read that the south of our county is only due to START the over 80s this coming Thurs because they haven't received any vaccines yet!
Okay, we as a county are "quite" rural but we are no more rural than those around us (and certainly not as rural as many other areas of the UK) and any other "reasons" that there may be for this lag- organisational, vaccine supply etc- are reasons should/could also apply to other areas anyway...?
(my OH has a 95 year old relation, who goes in for dialysis three times a week..and he still has not had his jab! )

So we are what?..6+ weeks into vaccinations? and overall we are still only 3/4 the way through those over 80?....

(Edit- Sorry Colin, I crossed your post)

Edited by pepe63 2021-01-25 11:12 AM
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Posted: 25 January 2021 11:29 AM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-25 10:01 AM

Credit where credit is due. The roll out of the first shots of the vaccine does seem to be going well but lets remember who is responsible for that. The NHS and Public health England. Not the Tories.

For once we have a Covid success story. Two vaccines developed and approved in record time in Europe through cooperation and a monumental effort by European scientists and then rolled out by our NHS in double quick time.

The reason its a success is the Government have had fcuk all to do with it! Just look at everything they have had a hand in like the failed track and trace system, the procurement of PPE and just about anything they have spaffed billions on to their dodgy mates where everyone down the chain skims a piece off the top of the pie before what is delivered is total s**te. At least (so far) they have been unable to taint this one.

Of course they have still stuck their mitts in and decided to meddle with against scientific advice the roll out of the second jab to complete the vaccine. A total gamble.


You seem to suffering from memory loss.
One of the reasons the UK is in this advantageous position was Boris's gamble on staying out of the EU buying program and going it alone, he was criticised on this very forum for doing this, but it paid off.
So 'Credit where credit is due', it's one of the few things .gov has got right.


What difference would that have made? There is no reason any country could not have done what we did in or out of the Eu program. The government tried to claim that they were able to go ahead first because of Brexit but that was utter tripe. I supported however us rolling out the vaccine when we did as the word from the developers that it had passed all the relevant tests was good enough for me. I am also however sceptical over the governments decision to meddle with the vaccine process by going against the recommended dose intervals to complete the vaccine.
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