StuartO Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Ye but what they want is to kick up such a stink with the help of the drips of the world like our own Hate Squad that the Police become too scared to approach them ... All Lives Matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I assume this is the incident? https://tinyurl.com/yboef48k Others can then decide where any fault lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? https://tinyurl.com/ybmw8uaf Do you not think you would get a bit p*ssed off if you were a law abiding citizen and you were constantly getting pulled or questioned because you were black and might be "up to something"? I Cant remember the last time I was pulled over in a car and certainly never for looking at a police car. Reminds me of the not the 9 oclock news sketch. "Looking at me in a funny way" being one of the reasons constable "Savage" was being questioned for the various reasons he arrested the same man. A mr Winston Kodogo. Funny but based on fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-06-12 6:34 PM I assume this is the incident? https://tinyurl.com/yboef48k Others can then decide where any fault lies. Ive been stopped by the cops , many times back in the day ... Was that because Im bald , 6 foot , have big ears , have tattoos , like ice cream ??? ... Blame , blame , blame ... Blame actually aint far off being BLM , coincidence surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-12 6:36 PM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? https://tinyurl.com/ybmw8uaf Do you not think you would get a bit p*ssed off if you were a law abiding citizen and you were constantly getting pulled or questioned because you were black and might be "up to something"? I Cant remember the last time I was pulled over in a car and certainly never for looking at a police car. In 51 years of driving i've been stopped just once by police. It's common knowledge blacks are disproportionately subject to stop and checks as this shows. https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/black-people-are-being-disproportionately-targeted-by-police/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-12 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-06-12 6:34 PM I assume this is the incident? https://tinyurl.com/yboef48k Others can then decide where any fault lies. Ive been stopped by the cops , many times back in the day ... Was that because Im bald , 6 foot , have big ears , have tattoos , like ice cream ??? ... Blame , blame , blame ... Blame actually aint far off being BLM , coincidence surely No. It was probably because you were a young hooligan and actually were "up to something". (lol) I too was stopped a lot but mainly because I thought I was Hannu Mikkola and every one was probably well deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This 74 year old pensioner and stroke victim was dragged from his car by police after they'd finished vandalising it.......all because he hadn't got his seat belt on. The pensioner got his car repaired but the officer who smashed a window fared even better after the video went viral on YouTube and other officers ribbed him, so he left.....with a £430k payout for "hurt feelings". :-S https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10619513/Policeman-who-smashed-up-pensioners-car-receives-400000-compensation.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 An informative clip here from Practical Photography on the matter of what you can and can't take photos/video of in UK in public. A police Inspector also gives the legal side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? You probably can't understand what its like without experiencing it yourself. What is making it far worse is when they have discrimination, and then see statues of racists on plinths outside Government buildings, as if they are heroes. BoJo tries to dismiss it by saying its part of our history. Well of course it is, everyone knows that - so he says something his morons will understand and agree to. But just because racists are part of our history doesn't mean we should rub the blacks noses in it by treating racists as heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 John52 - 2020-06-13 7:11 AM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? You probably can't understand what its like without experiencing it yourself. What is making it far worse is when they have discrimination, and then see statues of racists on plinths outside Government buildings, as if they are heroes. BoJo tries to dismiss it by saying its part of our history. Well of course it is, everyone knows that - so he says something his morons will understand and agree to. But just because racists are part of our history doesn't mean we should rub the blacks noses in it by treating racists as heroes. You do have another choice of course if you dont like it ... Move ... Just like thousands and thousands of folk have moved out of London and Bradford etc because they dont like what they've become in their lifetimes , unlike the statues of course which on the whole were in place long before we were born Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 John52 - 2020-06-13 7:11 AM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? You probably can't understand what its like without experiencing it yourself. What is making it far worse is when they have discrimination, and then see statues of racists on plinths outside Government buildings, as if they are heroes. BoJo tries to dismiss it by saying its part of our history. Well of course it is, everyone knows that - so he says something his morons will understand and agree to. But just because racists are part of our history doesn't mean we should rub the blacks noses in it by treating racists as heroes. Yeah.......It's high time that statue to the racist Mahatma Ghandi was pulled down >:-) ......... https://originalpeople.org/mahatma-gandhi-racist-quotes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-06-12 7:38 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-12 6:36 PM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? https://tinyurl.com/ybmw8uaf Do you not think you would get a bit p*ssed off if you were a law abiding citizen and you were constantly getting pulled or questioned because you were black and might be "up to something"? I Cant remember the last time I was pulled over in a car and certainly never for looking at a police car. In 51 years of driving i've been stopped just once by police. It's common knowledge blacks are disproportionately subject to stop and checks as this shows. https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/black-people-are-being-disproportionately-targeted-by-police/ It's also common knowledge that most BAME folk murdered in the UK are killed by BAME folk *-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 I’ve been stopped only occasionally by police, usually for speeding when I was younger, and was always polite and apologetic so there was never any tension or agro. I remember once, sitting in the police car on the hard standing, dying to ask questions about all the switches and stuff but keeping it meekly quiet, when I responded to the revelation that I’d been doing 98 mph by saying “It’s a fair cop” and he burst out laughing. There was never any tension. But I can imagine that if I had been a black medical student instead of a white one and almost every time I walked home from the Tube into Brixton or some other black district I was stopped just walking along carrying a bag and yet again had to show the contents and stay calm and cooperative, lest I got arrested again under the “Suss” laws, I would have come to resent it. Maybe I would have ended taking the opportunity of today’s climate to be stroppy instead of submissive. But it would have been a mistake. I still think blacks have the same citizen’s rights and obligations as everyone else to be cooperative and helpful to police and other authorities. No excuses, no snowflakes, it’s part of the price we pay to be a British Citizen. Ultimately there’s no compulsion and we are not prisoners. If we want change we can demonstrate peacefully and run for election, same as everyone else. We can always walk away and take our chances outside UK if we prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 StuartO - 2020-06-13 9:26 AM I’ve been stopped only occasionally by police, usually for speeding when I was younger, and was always polite and apologetic so there was never any tension or agro. I remember once, sitting in the police car on the hard standing, dying to ask questions about all the switches and stuff but keeping it meekly quiet, when I responded to the revelation that I’d been doing 98 mph by saying “It’s a fair cop” and he burst out laughing. There was never any tension. But I can imagine that if I had been a black medical student instead of a white one and almost every time I walked home from the Tube into Brixton or some other black district I was stopped just walking along carrying a bag and yet again had to show the contents and stay calm and cooperative, lest I got arrested again under the “Suss” laws, I would have come to resent it. Maybe I would have ended taking the opportunity of today’s climate to be stroppy instead of submissive. But it would have been a mistake. I still think blacks have the same citizen’s rights and obligations as everyone else to be cooperative and helpful to police and other authorities. No excuses, no snowflakes, it’s part of the price we pay to be a British Citizen. Ultimately there’s no compulsion and we are not prisoners. If we want change we can demonstrate peacefully and run for election, same as everyone else. We can always walk away and take our chances outside UK if we prefer. Maybe blacks in London need to blame their fellow blacks for Police checks ... Doesnt take a genius to work out its blacks that are behind much of Londons knife crime , gun crime and crime in general ... I personally would be glad the Police were doing checks , if your innocent whats the big deal they are helping protect the community ... Its like when we now go to concerts , now because of Muslim terrorists slaughtering folk at gigs we have to queue like never before , have checks etc , do you moan about it ??? No you dont because its for protection ... If I hear anyone complain I tell them maybe they ought to blame Muslim terrorists , same can be said for all our extra security at Christmas markets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 Our BBC local TV news at 6.30pm yesterday was trailering that the whole programme would be about Black Lives Matter and the black couple who were complaining about being stopped by police in Ipswich and had videoed the encounter - and subsequently had an apology from Suffolk Constabulary were to be featured. I usually watch that programme which is usually about local news and almost never about heavy politics was clearly going to make an exception. I couldn't imagine that the BBC was going to do anything other than empathise with Black Lives Matter and make critical comment about white imperialist and slavery history - and I simply couldn't face watching it. I get a free TV licence at the moment, just for a month or so since I turned 75 but it won't last long. Maybe I'll be looking for opportunities not to keep supporting the BBC when they want to start charging me again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 7:20 AM John52 - 2020-06-13 7:11 AM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? You probably can't understand what its like without experiencing it yourself. What is making it far worse is when they have discrimination, and then see statues of racists on plinths outside Government buildings, as if they are heroes. BoJo tries to dismiss it by saying its part of our history. Well of course it is, everyone knows that - so he says something his morons will understand and agree to. But just because racists are part of our history doesn't mean we should rub the blacks noses in it by treating racists as heroes. You do have another choice of course if you dont like it ... Move ... Just like thousands and thousands of folk have moved out of London and Bradford etc because they dont like what they've become in their lifetimes , unlike the statues of course which on the whole were in place long before we were born The civilised part of our society think its the racists who should move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 9:40 AM StuartO - 2020-06-13 9:26 AM I’ve been stopped only occasionally by police, usually for speeding when I was younger, and was always polite and apologetic so there was never any tension or agro. I remember once, sitting in the police car on the hard standing, dying to ask questions about all the switches and stuff but keeping it meekly quiet, when I responded to the revelation that I’d been doing 98 mph by saying “It’s a fair cop” and he burst out laughing. There was never any tension. But I can imagine that if I had been a black medical student instead of a white one and almost every time I walked home from the Tube into Brixton or some other black district I was stopped just walking along carrying a bag and yet again had to show the contents and stay calm and cooperative, lest I got arrested again under the “Suss” laws, I would have come to resent it. Maybe I would have ended taking the opportunity of today’s climate to be stroppy instead of submissive. But it would have been a mistake. I still think blacks have the same citizen’s rights and obligations as everyone else to be cooperative and helpful to police and other authorities. No excuses, no snowflakes, it’s part of the price we pay to be a British Citizen. Ultimately there’s no compulsion and we are not prisoners. If we want change we can demonstrate peacefully and run for election, same as everyone else. We can always walk away and take our chances outside UK if we prefer. Maybe blacks in London need to blame their fellow blacks for Police checks ... Doesnt take a genius to work out its blacks that are behind much of Londons knife crime , gun crime and crime in general ... I personally would be glad the Police were doing checks , if your innocent whats the big deal they are helping protect the community ... Its like when we now go to concerts , now because of Muslim terrorists slaughtering folk at gigs we have to queue like never before , have checks etc , do you moan about it ??? No you dont because its for protection ... If I hear anyone complain I tell them maybe they ought to blame Muslim terrorists , same can be said for all our extra security at Christmas markets If that is true and I am not disputing it then why do you think that is? Are Black people just more stupid than white people and just naturally more violent or with more criminal tendencies? Or is it that you are more likely to turn to crime and violence if you have less opportunity, face more prejudice and are More likely to be brought up in poverty and surrounded by a more or less closed community of those in the same boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I can see that wartime propaganda was necessary to get people to fight, and afterwards to convince the bereaved their loved one's deaths were necessary. But gradually the truth will out, and more people will realise the likes of Churchill weren't how the wartime propaganda and his statue portrays him So how much longer can they keep it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-13 10:18 AM ...... why do you think that is? [that black people are angry] Are Black people just more stupid than white people and just naturally more violent or with more criminal tendencies? Or is it that you are more likely to turn to crime and violence if you have less opportunity, face more prejudice and are More likely to be brought up in poverty and surrounded by a more or less closed community of those in the same boat? I suspect that black people who are born into poverty in a black getto district are almost bound to end up following the well trodden path into gangs and crime and violence. Part of the reason for that inevitability is that the average aptitude of blacks from this background to make their way in our society is very low, so even if they do get schooling of reasonable quality and theoretical opportunities to get on, their personal limitations and the pressures of their environment are an overwhelming obstacle. The scale of this problem (for society) is enormous and we have yet to find a way forwards at all. I wish I could see a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 This gave me heart: Borrowed from facebook: "This is from Caroline Crockett Brock I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south, and today was the first time I spoke frankly about racism with a black man. When Ernest, my appliance repairman, came to the front door, I welcomed him in. As this was his second visit and we’d established a friendly rapport, I asked him how he was feeling in the current national climate. Naturally, he assumed I was talking about the coronavirus, because what white person actually addresses racism head on, in person, in their own home? When Ernest realized I wanted to know about his experience with racism, he began answering my questions. What’s it like for you on a day-to-day basis as a black man? Do cops ever give you any trouble? The answers were illuminating. Ernest, a middle-aged, friendly, successful business owner, gets pulled over in Myrtle Beach at least 6 times a year. He doesn’t get pulled over for traffic violations, but on the suspicion of him being a suspect in one crime or another. Mind you, he is in uniform, driving in a work van clearly marked with his business on the side. They ask him about the boxes in his car--parts and pieces of appliances. They ask to see his invoices and ask him why there is money and checks in his invoice clipboard. They ask if he’s selling drugs. These cops get angry if he asks for a badge number or pushes back in any way. Everytime he is the one who has to explain himself, although they have no real cause to question him. Ernest used to help folks out after dark with emergencies. Not anymore. He does not work past dinnertime, not because he doesn’t need the business, but because it isn’t safe for him to be out after dark. He says “There’s nothing out there in the world for me past dark”. Let me say that again. Ernest, a middle aged black man in uniform cannot work past dark in Myrtle Beach in 2020 because it’s not safe for him. He did not say this with any kind of agenda. It was a quiet, matter of fact truth. A truth that needs to be heard. When I asked Ernest what ethnic terms he gets offended at, he said that the most offensive term people use is ‘boy’. Ernest has a bachelors in electronics and an associates in HVAC. He is not a ‘boy’, and the term ‘boy’ in the south implies inferiority in station and status. He came to Myrtle Beach and got a job at Hobart. The supervisor repeatedly used the term ‘boy’. Ernest complained. After several complaints Ernest was fired. Ernest says most white people are a little scared of him, and he’s often put in a position where he has to prove himself, as though he’s not qualified to repair appliances. After getting a job for 2 years at Sears appliance, Ernest started his own company, one he’s been running for several years. He is the best repairman we’ve had, and has taught me about washer dryers and how to maintain them myself, even helping me with another washer/dryer set and a dishwasher without charging me. I highly recommend his company, Grand Strand Appliance. I asked Ernest what he thought of “black bike week” in Myrtle Beach, where thousands of black people come with bullet bikes and trash our town. He says it hurts black people in our city, and he disagrees with the NAACP coming in to sue businesses that close on black bike week. He hates working that week. Ernest doesn’t have hope that racism will change, no matter who the president is. His dad taught him “It’s a white man’s world”, and he’s done his best to live within it. When I asked him what I could do, he said, “everyone needs to pray and realize we’re all just one country and one people”. I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south. I can begin healing our country by talking frankly with African Americans in my world---by LISTENING to their lived experience and speaking up. I can help by actively promoting black owned businesses. That’s what I can do today. Let’s start by listening and lifting up. It’s that simple. #listenandlift ===== Edit: I asked Ernest if I could take his picture and post our conversation on facebook. He thought it was a great idea. As he left my house an hour later, he looked me in the eye and said, "If you ever march, or have a meeting on this topic, or want to change things in Myrtle Beach, I'll stand with you." What a great idea. Let's begin standing together. === Edit: 1pm EST on 6/1. Ernest just called me and we had one of the sweetest moments, both laughing and crying about the response to this post. He started the conversation by saying, "Caroline, I don't know if I should kill you or kiss you--my phone is ringing off the hook!" He doesn't have a FB profile, so he's coming over later so I can help him set one up. He's been absolutely overwhelmed, as have I, with the response. We're going to be sitting down together to read your comments. They mean so much. In addition, the Myrtle Beach city manager has contacted me and I'm getting all of us together to be sure this doesn't happen in our city any longer. THANK YOU WORLD. Edit 6/2 9am. Just got off the phone with Ernest and the local news. They will be interviewing us today, and it will be on the local news in Myrtle beach tonight. I'll post it on my page later. This is how we change our country. Normal folks. One town at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 John52 - 2020-06-13 10:17 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 7:20 AM John52 - 2020-06-13 7:11 AM StuartO - 2020-06-12 5:34 PM A black couple were driving a BMW in Ipswich yesterday when they attracted the attention of a couple of police officers, who then asked to see the driver's licence. No big deal you might think; we all have to cooperate when that sort of thing happens. But would we all switch our phones to video and start demanding to know why, behaving in fact like barrack room lawyers? But it seems black people can, and they get an apology for feeling upset, even though the senior police officer being interviewed said that the two officers did have a legitimate police reason for making the stop. I'm getting fed up of blacks who feel entitled to get upset about a citizen's duty to cooperate with police enquiries. So they feel they are being picked on? Couldn't we all respond in that way if we decided to be awkward when, as the policeman pointed out if they simply done as asked, they would have been on their way in no time. Maybe the police did take the decision to make the stop because it was a black couple in a BMW and maybe that's all there was to it. But are blacks over-represented among criminals so they make police suspicious more often, and shouldn't non-criminal blacks be just as willing as non-criminal whites to help the police? You probably can't understand what its like without experiencing it yourself. What is making it far worse is when they have discrimination, and then see statues of racists on plinths outside Government buildings, as if they are heroes. BoJo tries to dismiss it by saying its part of our history. Well of course it is, everyone knows that - so he says something his morons will understand and agree to. But just because racists are part of our history doesn't mean we should rub the blacks noses in it by treating racists as heroes. You do have another choice of course if you dont like it ... Move ... Just like thousands and thousands of folk have moved out of London and Bradford etc because they dont like what they've become in their lifetimes , unlike the statues of course which on the whole were in place long before we were born The civilised part of our society think its the racists who should move You racist Scottish Nationalists better pack then ... You aint saying you who poos in bins is civilised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-06-13 10:18 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 9:40 AM StuartO - 2020-06-13 9:26 AM I’ve been stopped only occasionally by police, usually for speeding when I was younger, and was always polite and apologetic so there was never any tension or agro. I remember once, sitting in the police car on the hard standing, dying to ask questions about all the switches and stuff but keeping it meekly quiet, when I responded to the revelation that I’d been doing 98 mph by saying “It’s a fair cop” and he burst out laughing. There was never any tension. But I can imagine that if I had been a black medical student instead of a white one and almost every time I walked home from the Tube into Brixton or some other black district I was stopped just walking along carrying a bag and yet again had to show the contents and stay calm and cooperative, lest I got arrested again under the “Suss” laws, I would have come to resent it. Maybe I would have ended taking the opportunity of today’s climate to be stroppy instead of submissive. But it would have been a mistake. I still think blacks have the same citizen’s rights and obligations as everyone else to be cooperative and helpful to police and other authorities. No excuses, no snowflakes, it’s part of the price we pay to be a British Citizen. Ultimately there’s no compulsion and we are not prisoners. If we want change we can demonstrate peacefully and run for election, same as everyone else. We can always walk away and take our chances outside UK if we prefer. Maybe blacks in London need to blame their fellow blacks for Police checks ... Doesnt take a genius to work out its blacks that are behind much of Londons knife crime , gun crime and crime in general ... I personally would be glad the Police were doing checks , if your innocent whats the big deal they are helping protect the community ... Its like when we now go to concerts , now because of Muslim terrorists slaughtering folk at gigs we have to queue like never before , have checks etc , do you moan about it ??? No you dont because its for protection ... If I hear anyone complain I tell them maybe they ought to blame Muslim terrorists , same can be said for all our extra security at Christmas markets If that is true and I am not disputing it then why do you think that is? Are Black people just more stupid than white people and just naturally more violent or with more criminal tendencies? Or is it that you are more likely to turn to crime and violence if you have less opportunity, face more prejudice and are More likely to be brought up in poverty and surrounded by a more or less closed community of those in the same boat? They are attracted to easy money , gang culture , gangsta lifestyle ... Give up with poverty FFS , they have iPhones , expensive trainers , the latest this and that , they have no idea of poverty ... My grandmother brought up kids in poverty just like many others of her generation ... You by your own admittance havent had to deal with poverty or know any black folk ... Stick to sumat you know about which is ... Sulking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-12 6:45 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-06-12 6:34 PM I assume this is the incident? https://tinyurl.com/yboef48k Others can then decide where any fault lies. Ive been stopped by the cops , many times back in the day ... Was that because Im bald , 6 foot , have big ears , have tattoos , like ice cream ??? ... Blame , blame , blame ... Blame actually aint far off being BLM , coincidence surely How can one "be" Black Lives Matter? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 12:15 PM Barryd999 - 2020-06-13 10:18 AM Birdbrain - 2020-06-13 9:40 AM StuartO - 2020-06-13 9:26 AM I’ve been stopped only occasionally by police, usually for speeding when I was younger, and was always polite and apologetic so there was never any tension or agro. I remember once, sitting in the police car on the hard standing, dying to ask questions about all the switches and stuff but keeping it meekly quiet, when I responded to the revelation that I’d been doing 98 mph by saying “It’s a fair cop” and he burst out laughing. There was never any tension. But I can imagine that if I had been a black medical student instead of a white one and almost every time I walked home from the Tube into Brixton or some other black district I was stopped just walking along carrying a bag and yet again had to show the contents and stay calm and cooperative, lest I got arrested again under the “Suss” laws, I would have come to resent it. Maybe I would have ended taking the opportunity of today’s climate to be stroppy instead of submissive. But it would have been a mistake. I still think blacks have the same citizen’s rights and obligations as everyone else to be cooperative and helpful to police and other authorities. No excuses, no snowflakes, it’s part of the price we pay to be a British Citizen. Ultimately there’s no compulsion and we are not prisoners. If we want change we can demonstrate peacefully and run for election, same as everyone else. We can always walk away and take our chances outside UK if we prefer. Maybe blacks in London need to blame their fellow blacks for Police checks ... Doesnt take a genius to work out its blacks that are behind much of Londons knife crime , gun crime and crime in general ... I personally would be glad the Police were doing checks , if your innocent whats the big deal they are helping protect the community ... Its like when we now go to concerts , now because of Muslim terrorists slaughtering folk at gigs we have to queue like never before , have checks etc , do you moan about it ??? No you dont because its for protection ... If I hear anyone complain I tell them maybe they ought to blame Muslim terrorists , same can be said for all our extra security at Christmas markets If that is true and I am not disputing it then why do you think that is? Are Black people just more stupid than white people and just naturally more violent or with more criminal tendencies? Or is it that you are more likely to turn to crime and violence if you have less opportunity, face more prejudice and are More likely to be brought up in poverty and surrounded by a more or less closed community of those in the same boat? They are attracted to easy money , gang culture , gangsta lifestyle ... Give up with poverty FFS , they have iPhones , expensive trainers , the latest this and that , they have no idea of poverty ... My grandmother brought up kids in poverty just like many others of her generation ... You by your own admittance havent had to deal with poverty or know any black folk ... Stick to sumat you know about which is ... Sulking Ah I see. So because I have never experienced poverty my opinion counts for nothing then and yours is somehow more valid. Didnt you also post the other day how you were brought up in a six bedroom house and wanted for nothing? I think Stuarts reply to my post above makes a lot more sense than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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