Birdbrain Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 ... Promised Eurotunnel delays, port delays, medical shortages, food shortages blah blah blah start ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-01 11:54 AM ... Promised Eurotunnel delays, port delays, medical shortages, food shortages blah blah blah start ??? Probably when the massive amount of stuff we stockpiled before Brexit that led to thousands of trucks being gridlocked in Kent runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Right ... So the gridlock in Kent before and during Christmas was caused by stockpiling and not Macron closing the border ... Chuckle ... So when the stockpiles have gone what time do you think your promised shortages will start ??? ... You could ask your government insider for help if ya struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 8:28 AM Right ... So the gridlock in Kent before and during Christmas was caused by stockpiling and not Macron closing the border ... Chuckle ... So when the stockpiles have gone what time do you think your promised shortages will start ??? ... You could ask your government insider for help if ya struggling No but its one reason there were so many foreign trucks in the UK stuck when Macron shut the border. Even without that experts were saying that early Jan it might not be so bad as traffic would be low anyway. i guess we will find out in the coming weeks wont we if their systems, checks (although I hear there just wont be any UK side) are up to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-01-02 10:16 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 8:28 AM Right ... So the gridlock in Kent before and during Christmas was caused by stockpiling and not Macron closing the border ... Chuckle ... So when the stockpiles have gone what time do you think your promised shortages will start ??? ... You could ask your government insider for help if ya struggling No but its one reason there were so many foreign trucks in the UK stuck when Macron shut the border. Even without that experts were saying that early Jan it might not be so bad as traffic would be low anyway. i guess we will find out in the coming weeks wont we if their systems, checks (although I hear there just wont be any UK side) are up to the job. Aaaah ... So the gridlock now wasn't caused by stockpiling ... It was just one of the reasons and the main reason was Macron but of course you seem to be ignoring that ... So "in the coming weeks" we'll find out if all your delays and shortages doomsday guff which included blaming Brexit voters for deaths due to medical shortages comes true ... Should be interesting, given your prediction success rate my money aint on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 If the pre-Christmas closing of their Borderby the French was OTT (in relation to the relatively low risk which lorry drivers pose of transmitting COVID-19) then the French made their point (about givingin to them about fishing rights) so that issue isn't likely to cropup again for several years. Both Countries now seem to want to make the cross-Channel flow of goods work smoothly so perhaps it will; UK Customs are taking a relaxed approach for the first six months and the French also appear to be avoiding being overtly obstructive. There appears to be no reason at the moment why either side will do otherwise, so maybe commercial traffic will continue to flow. Let's hope so. I can't see that continuing the arguments for and against Brexit has any value at all for now, we are where we are and we simply need to hope things will work out smoothly and in due course we can look at whether Brexit has been worthwhile or not. No point in pre-judging that, just because it would suit our own deeply held hopes to be proved right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 StuartO - 2021-01-02 11:25 AM If the pre-Christmas closing of their Borderby the French was OTT (in relation to the relatively low risk which lorry drivers pose of transmitting COVID-19) then the French made their point (about givingin to them about fishing rights) so that issue isn't likely to cropup again for several years. Both Countries now seem to want to make the cross-Channel flow of goods work smoothly so perhaps it will; UK Customs are taking a relaxed approach for the first six months and the French also appear to be avoiding being overtly obstructive. There appears to be no reason at the moment why either side will do otherwise, so maybe commercial traffic will continue to flow. Let's hope so. I can't see that continuing the arguments for and against Brexit has any value at all for now, we are where we are and we simply need to hope things will work out smoothly and in due course we can look at whether Brexit has been worthwhile or not. No point in pre-judging that, just because it would suit our own deeply held hopes to be proved right. Well yes. I guess we will just have to wait and see but its likely some of the chaos will have been avoided because we did agree a deal on tariff free goods access at least but it remains to be seen what effect the none tariff barriers will have. The main concern seems to be the unwillingness of European drivers and haulage companies actually coming to the UK and if they do what extra costs will be involved to ensure they do. That I suspect will depend on how well it flows over the next few weeks. Meanwhile. There will be blue trucks over, the white cliffs of Dover, tomorrow, just you wait and see! (lol) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 StuartO - 2021-01-02 11:25 AM UK Customs are taking a relaxed approach for the first six months and the French also appear to be avoiding being overtly obstructive. There appears to be no reason at the moment why either side will do otherwise, so maybe commercial traffic will continue to flow. Because the alternative, documenting every single HGV through the ports as they should be, would bring the country to it's knees in a matter of hours. We have neither the manpower or equipment to cope. From the promised extra 3000 - 5000 border force staff they've recruited just 16. Currently the ports commercial traffic is running as per EU status so companies will still be getting JIT deliveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-01-02 12:19 PM StuartO - 2021-01-02 11:25 AM If the pre-Christmas closing of their Borderby the French was OTT (in relation to the relatively low risk which lorry drivers pose of transmitting COVID-19) then the French made their point (about givingin to them about fishing rights) so that issue isn't likely to cropup again for several years. Both Countries now seem to want to make the cross-Channel flow of goods work smoothly so perhaps it will; UK Customs are taking a relaxed approach for the first six months and the French also appear to be avoiding being overtly obstructive. There appears to be no reason at the moment why either side will do otherwise, so maybe commercial traffic will continue to flow. Let's hope so. I can't see that continuing the arguments for and against Brexit has any value at all for now, we are where we are and we simply need to hope things will work out smoothly and in due course we can look at whether Brexit has been worthwhile or not. No point in pre-judging that, just because it would suit our own deeply held hopes to be proved right. The main concern seems to be the unwillingness of European drivers and haulage companies actually coming to the UK and if they do what extra costs will be involved to ensure they do. Meanwhile. There will be blue trucks over, the white cliffs of Dover, tomorrow, just you wait and see! (lol) https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village There's an element of schadenfreude about that but i'd love to know what the main reason such a high percentage (59%) voted Brexit. I suspect it was immigration. Now they're about to have a massive truck park stuck in their back yard they feel "betrayed'' and "trapped by the lies of government". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 No delays at ferry ports today ... No food shortages today ... No medical supplies shortages today ... No truth in all the doomsday scare stories today ... Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 3:56 PM No delays at ferry ports today ... No food shortages today ... No medical supplies shortages today ... No truth in all the doomsday scare stories today ... Oh dear From which, after one day, one should conclude what? That nothing will change from now on? Hold your nerve, give it three months, and then make judgements. You sound like that man who famously fell off the Empire State Building and was heard muttering, as he fell, so far so good! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-02 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 3:56 PM No delays at ferry ports today ... No food shortages today ... No medical supplies shortages today ... No truth in all the doomsday scare stories today ... Oh dear From which, after one day, one should conclude what? That nothing will change from now on? Hold your nerve, give it three months, and then make judgements. You sound like that man who famously fell off the Empire State Building and was heard muttering, as he fell, so far so good! :-D The reason there are no delays as yet is because they're waving commercial trucks through Brian because the infrastructure to cope with the logistics of documenting every single truck is not in place. This is scheduled to continue for at least six month, so effectively all our ports are still running as per EU status and not third country. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/future-relationship-gb-eu-border Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-02 5:24 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 3:56 PM No delays at ferry ports today ... No food shortages today ... No medical supplies shortages today ... No truth in all the doomsday scare stories today ... Oh dear From which, after one day, one should conclude what? That nothing will change from now on? Hold your nerve, give it three months, and then make judgements. You sound like that man who famously fell off the Empire State Building and was heard muttering, as he fell, so far so good! :-D Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Cant see anything on the news about delays or shortages today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 1:42 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. "It was said for a while" well when and where and who has been saying it "for a while" or is that just more Barry guff ??? ... When will we start seeing the return to 1970s/80s terrorist numbers in Northern Ireland, will we have to wait till things "normalise" there n'all ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtainRaiser Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 3:05 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 1:42 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. "It was said for a while" well when and where and who has been saying it "for a while" or is that just more Barry guff ??? ... When will we start seeing the return to 1970s/80s terrorist numbers in Northern Ireland, will we have to wait till things "normalise" there n'all ??? Well its beginning to bite, now I understand why you were so concerned about possible delays, is your dictation machine stuck in customs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 3:05 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 1:42 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. "It was said for a while" well when and where and who has been saying it "for a while" or is that just more Barry guff ??? ... When will we start seeing the return to 1970s/80s terrorist numbers in Northern Ireland, will we have to wait till things "normalise" there n'all ??? Nope. Not guff. Most thought on here and in the media that early Jan would not be a true reflection of what was to come plus as I said we got a deal and the UK has just opened its borders anyway so a good time to be a smuggler!! As for a return to the troubles, well Northern Ireland is effectively still in the EU. Thats how they solved the Irish border problem. Keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM.............................Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up Summer, who mentioned summer? Use your nous, the same as everyone else has to. You voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Double post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 5:23 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 3:05 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 1:42 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. "It was said for a while" well when and where and who has been saying it "for a while" or is that just more Barry guff ??? ... When will we start seeing the return to 1970s/80s terrorist numbers in Northern Ireland, will we have to wait till things "normalise" there n'all ??? Nope. Not guff. Most thought on here and in the media that early Jan would not be a true reflection of what was to come plus as I said we got a deal and the UK has just opened its borders anyway so a good time to be a smuggler!! As for a return to the troubles, well Northern Ireland is effectively still in the EU. Thats how they solved the Irish border problem. Keep up! So you cant show "when and where and who has been saying it for a while" ??? ... What a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 6:03 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM.............................Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up Summer, who mentioned summer? Use your nous, the same as everyone else has to. You voted for it. Errrr ... I mentioned summer ... Summer I presume is the busy months so I presume thats when your delays and guff is guna start ??? Is it earlier, later ??? You guys are the experts, you guys are the ones who claimed this, that and t'other ... Do tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdbrain Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-03 3:47 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 3:05 PM Barryd999 - 2021-01-03 1:42 PM Birdbrain - 2021-01-03 1:34 PM Brian Kirby - 2021-01-03 11:43 AM Birdbrain - 2021-01-02 7:15 PM...................Aaaah ... You hatey types never mentioned "Hold your nerve" and give it time ... You should have said before that we would have to wait Probably because the "hatey types" didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think otherwise. This is a normally a period when movements between UK and the continent are low. If there are to be problems they will begin to emerge when the cross border flows normalise. Bit obvious, no? Aaaah ... Right ... So all those promised delays and shortages were/are going to happen during the busy summer months or sumat ??? ... Give us a clue will ya and then I can stock up with grub and you lot can get ya depression tablets stocked up It was said for a while that in the first few weeks of January it would probably be quiet, plus your moron in chief managed to get a tariff free deal, plus they just seem to have forgotten about fortress Britain and taking back control of our borders and are just letting anything through. "It was said for a while" well when and where and who has been saying it "for a while" or is that just more Barry guff ??? ... When will we start seeing the return to 1970s/80s terrorist numbers in Northern Ireland, will we have to wait till things "normalise" there n'all ??? Well its beginning to bite, now I understand why you were so concerned about possible delays, is your dictation machine stuck in customs? Ah ... Thats why you havent answered my question on another thread then ... You were busy reading ya paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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