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Barryd999 - 2020-02-01 12:21 AM
Everyone on all the motorhome forums is under the impression the 90 days thing does not come in until 2021 or later if thats extended Brian. Doesnt mean they are right of course.

Thats what the BBC are saying too
'You will can still travel freely with a passport until the end of the transition period, in 2020. This applies to UK citizens going to the EU and EU citizens coming to visit the UK.
After transition, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries for up to 90 days in every 180 days without a visa, but they will not be allowed to work or study. The EU says this will remain the case for as long as the UK gives the same visa-free travel to EU citizens who want to visit the UK.' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46627083
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Bulletguy - 2020-01-25 3:51 PM
Brexpress and the Daily Fail will make stories up......

I find one of the most astonishing things is how Billionaire 'newspaper' owners, Hedge fund managers and Etonians have successfully cast themselves as opponents of the Elite
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Posted: 1 February 2020 2:56 PM
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Brexpress and the Daily Fail will make stories up......

I find one of the most astonishing things is how Billionaire 'newspaper' owners, Hedge fund managers and Etonians have successfully cast themselves as opponents of the Elite

False prophets who easily deceived the gullible by switching their userbase hate from single mums and the unemployed to immigration, Muslims and the EU.
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Everyone on all the motorhome forums is under the impression the 90 days thing does not come in until 2021 or later if thats extended Brian. Doesnt mean they are right of course.

Thats what the BBC are saying too
'You will can still travel freely with a passport until the end of the transition period, in 2020. This applies to UK citizens going to the EU and EU citizens coming to visit the UK.
After transition, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries for up to 90 days in every 180 days without a visa, but they will not be allowed to work or study. The EU says this will remain the case for as long as the UK gives the same visa-free travel to EU citizens who want to visit the UK.' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46627083

Well, see what you think this is saying: http://tinyurl.com/s9f523g

Download the .pdf and go to Section 1 "Transition Period" which, I agree, appears to say that so far as free movement is concerned, nothing changes. But click on the .html link in the first line, which will take you to Section 2, "Personal Scope" and read on. This appears to me to refer to movement rights gained through residency.

Then, move on the Section 5 "Entry and Exit" "After Brexit, will I be able to travel to the UK?" and look down to the last paragraph under that sub-heading, where it says "Entry rules to the UK for other EU citizens (those who have not resided in the UK at the end of the transition period) and to the EU for UK nationals fall outside the scope of the Withdrawal Agreement."

I read that to mean that because I have a) not resided in an EU state, and b) the Withdrawal Agreement does not stipulate otherwise, the right to enter the Schengen/EEA zones is limited to that for "third countries" (i.e. 90 days in any 180 day period), and that accordingly our EU citizen's rights do not carry over into the Transition Period. To me, that suggests that as of 11:00 pm on 31 January 2020 our rights to travel in excess of 90 days in 180 days effectively expired.

It is less than sparklingly clear, and it is possible that as this relates specifically to May's Withdrawal Agreement, Johnson's "renegotiated" Withdrawal Agreement makes different provision for travel by non-residents, but the Commission has not, so far as I can see, issued a revised version of the memo which, were that the case, I would have expected.

I have sought clarification as to whether the above is the correct interpretation from the French embassy, whose only response was that as we had not yet left they could not say, and from DExEU, who merely referred me to the government website in which all advice is given in terms of "may", and "might" - so completely non-specific!

I have relied in the Commission document for the simple reason that it is EU territory I wish to visit, so the EU seems more likely to know reliably what they have agreed to in terms of access than anyone else!

The above seems also to be the conclusion reached in this Guardian article from last December - see "1. Holiday in the EU

You can still travel to any EU member state up to 31 December 2020 with no impediments such as visas. After Brexit it is likely that visa-free trips will continue for stays of up to 90 days." …………………....
"Brexit" took place at 11:00 pm on Friday 31 January 2020.

Ditto here, from last Thursday's Independent: https://tinyurl.com/wh59amf in which it states "Tourists will still be able to take short trips abroad to EU countries, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland, for up to 90 days within any one 180-day period without needing to fill out any additional applications."

What do you think?
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Brian Kirby - 2020-02-01 6:37 PM


What do you think?

I Dunno Brian.
I think I'm glad I'm not trying to run a business from England when its all so confusing
But I think I have found something that clearly has changed.
Germany's Extradition agreements are only to other EU countries - which no longer applies to the UK.
So Germany could become the next 'Costa Del Crime'
Don't know about the other EU countries.
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I Dont think I would worry about it this year regardless. I guess we will find out if some of the Snow birds start returning beyond the end of March. Dave Pelmet could be the first to get caught!
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What do you think?

I Dunno Brian.
I think I'm glad I'm not trying to run a business from England when its all so confusing
But I think I have found something that clearly has changed.
Germany's Extradition agreements are only to other EU countries - which no longer applies to the UK.
So Germany could become the next 'Costa Del Crime'
Don't know about the other EU countries.

Also Austria and Slovenia will refuse to extradite as it's against their constitution;

All three countries are forbidden by their own constitutions to extradite their own citizens to non-EU countries, which the UK will became on Thursday.

https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-countries-have-stopped-extraditing-criminals-to-uk-after-brexit-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
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Barryd999 - 2020-02-01 12:21 AM
Everyone on all the motorhome forums is under the impression the 90 days thing does not come in until 2021 or later if thats extended Brian. Doesnt mean they are right of course.

Thats what the BBC are saying too
'You will can still travel freely with a passport until the end of the transition period, in 2020. This applies to UK citizens going to the EU and EU citizens coming to visit the UK.
After transition, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries for up to 90 days in every 180 days without a visa, but they will not be allowed to work or study. The EU says this will remain the case for as long as the UK gives the same visa-free travel to EU citizens who want to visit the UK.' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46627083

Well, see what you think this is saying: http://tinyurl.com/s9f523g

Download the .pdf and go to Section 1 "Transition Period" which, I agree, appears to say that so far as free movement is concerned, nothing changes. But click on the .html link in the first line, which will take you to Section 2, "Personal Scope" and read on. This appears to me to refer to movement rights gained through residency.

Then, move on the Section 5 "Entry and Exit" "After Brexit, will I be able to travel to the UK?" and look down to the last paragraph under that sub-heading, where it says "Entry rules to the UK for other EU citizens (those who have not resided in the UK at the end of the transition period) and to the EU for UK nationals fall outside the scope of the Withdrawal Agreement."

I read that to mean that because I have a) not resided in an EU state, and b) the Withdrawal Agreement does not stipulate otherwise, the right to enter the Schengen/EEA zones is limited to that for "third countries" (i.e. 90 days in any 180 day period), and that accordingly our EU citizen's rights do not carry over into the Transition Period. To me, that suggests that as of 11:00 pm on 31 January 2020 our rights to travel in excess of 90 days in 180 days effectively expired.

It is less than sparklingly clear, and it is possible that as this relates specifically to May's Withdrawal Agreement, Johnson's "renegotiated" Withdrawal Agreement makes different provision for travel by non-residents, but the Commission has not, so far as I can see, issued a revised version of the memo which, were that the case, I would have expected.

What do you think?

I think a lot of Brits are going to find themselves paying fines with a marker on their passport at best, and at worst, kicked out of whichever country! Admittedly some will be innocent victims fallen foul of 'the rules'....but many are not and openly flout what they do. From reading comments on 'ex-pat' (immigrant Brits) forums, that much seems to be well known.
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Barryd999 - 2020-02-02 10:30 AM

I Dont think I would worry about it this year regardless. I guess we will find out if some of the Snow birds start returning beyond the end of March. Dave Pelmet could be the first to get caught!

I would imagine that those who departed UK before 31/1/20 will not be penalised, as they will not (as far as I am aware) have had their date of Schengen/EEA entry recorded.

It will be interesting to find out whether people leaving after 1/2/20 have their passports stamped with their date of entry. If they do, I'd suspect that there will also be a "leave before date" somewhere, which would point to the border police being under instruction to do so. If not, then either they have forgotten, they have yet to be instructed, or the alternative interpretation that we retain our unlimited "right to roam" during transition is correct.

This is a bit fundamental, so it is very troubling and more than a bit irritating that there is still no clarity available.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-02-02 6:23 PM

Barryd999 - 2020-02-02 10:30 AM

I Dont think I would worry about it this year regardless. I guess we will find out if some of the Snow birds start returning beyond the end of March. Dave Pelmet could be the first to get caught!

It will be interesting to find out whether people leaving after 1/2/20 have their passports stamped with their date of entry......

That's all electronic now though Brian and held on a database. When i was in Romania a couple of years ago and had four roadside checks by the police, they just keyed my reg number in and that told them the date, time and which border i'd entered at. Took just seconds and if they can do it, so can every other EU country...even vassal state third country UK!
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Posted: 3 February 2020 3:07 PM
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"We're getting our courts back from Germany"

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1223518314913259520

Caller on JOB....oh dear!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/last-ever-brexit-caller-one-of-the-best/

A list of gems including sunburnt Barry and Diane who hate the EU that much they LIVE in Spain!

https://twitter.com/indy38195936/status/1223601651027714049
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"We're getting our courts back from Germany"

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1223518314913259520

Caller on JOB....oh dear!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/last-ever-brexit-caller-one-of-the-best/

A list of gems including sunburnt Barry and Diane who hate the EU that much they LIVE in Spain!

https://twitter.com/indy38195936/status/1223601651027714049


No wonder Dominic Cummins stopped BoJo from being interviewed like the other party leaders
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Posted: 3 February 2020 4:22 PM
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"We're getting our courts back from Germany"

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1223518314913259520

Caller on JOB....oh dear!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/last-ever-brexit-caller-one-of-the-best/

A list of gems including sunburnt Barry and Diane who hate the EU that much they LIVE in Spain!

https://twitter.com/indy38195936/status/1223601651027714049


No wonder Dominic Cummins stopped BoJo from being interviewed like the other party leaders

He'd have been torn to shreds in seconds. Seems Cummings just tried to bar selected political journalists from a Downing street briefing.......so all have walked out in support.

https://twitter.com/faizashaheen/status/1224362855539060739

Johnson already blaming EU for 'reneging' on a free trade deal.....without explaining it hadn't been fully signed off, but it suits his agenda to continue blaming the EU as he knows his sycophants will swallow his lies. He's just playing a propaganda war to push no deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/01/boris-johnson-infuriated-eu-reneges-free-trade-deal/
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Posted: 3 February 2020 4:27 PM
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Question to Brexiter;

"So what did you vote for and what were you hoping for?"

Brexiter lady; "d'ya know i'm not entirely sure...."

https://twitter.com/altmann_tim/status/1223916220778455041
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I Dont think I would worry about it this year regardless. I guess we will find out if some of the Snow birds start returning beyond the end of March. Dave Pelmet could be the first to get caught!

It will be interesting to find out whether people leaving after 1/2/20 have their passports stamped with their date of entry......

That's all electronic now though Brian and held on a database. When i was in Romania a couple of years ago and had four roadside checks by the police, they just keyed my reg number in and that told them the date, time and which border i'd entered at. Took just seconds and if they can do it, so can every other EU country...even vassal state third country UK!

According to the ETIAS website it comes into effect in 2021, which I assume to mean 1/1/21, Paul, so not quite yet active. But hey, I's going to be a huge database, and getting databases to work right first time is not a foolproof activity - so who knows? But, that they may record the passports of entrants at the time of entry logically requires the passport holder to be notified of what was recorded, and when they must leave, and to have the passport recorder on exit, with unused time stated, as otherwise there will be considerable trouble when people present their passports again to re-enter!
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I Dont think I would worry about it this year regardless. I guess we will find out if some of the Snow birds start returning beyond the end of March. Dave Pelmet could be the first to get caught!

It will be interesting to find out whether people leaving after 1/2/20 have their passports stamped with their date of entry......

That's all electronic now though Brian and held on a database. When i was in Romania a couple of years ago and had four roadside checks by the police, they just keyed my reg number in and that told them the date, time and which border i'd entered at. Took just seconds and if they can do it, so can every other EU country...even vassal state third country UK!

According to the ETIAS website it comes into effect in 2021, which I assume to mean 1/1/21, Paul, so not quite yet active. But hey, I's going to be a huge database, and getting databases to work right first time is not a foolproof activity - so who knows? But, that they may record the passports of entrants at the time of entry logically requires the passport holder to be notified of what was recorded, and when they must leave, and to have the passport recorder on exit, with unused time stated, as otherwise there will be considerable trouble when people present their passports again to re-enter!

I don't know what database the Romanian police accessed when they stopped me but it instantly 'connected' me to show them where i'd entered (into Romania), what date and time. My passport id number was also logged. The officers used what looked similar to an ipad but much thicker. They got every detail they wanted just from my registration number.

I would assume the same method extends throughout all Europe. All UK ports check-in booths have long been fitted with ANPR hence half the time they never bother asking to see your ticket, only your passport which gets scanned and recorded. So yes, in future Brexity Brits who like to puff their chest about being a "non-EU citizen" whilst sitting half the year inside an EU country thanks to the EU they've turned their backs on will see their wings get seriously clipped!

There will be no escape for these miscreants any longer.....they've burnt their boats in their eagerness to wreck it for everyone else and judging by those links i posted upthread, they still cannot give one logical reason as to how leaving will benefit everyone.
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Forgot to add this link;

How Will ETIAS & BREXIT Affect UK Citizens?

The free movement of people is one of the EU’s key principles. Once the UK is no longer a part of the union’s regulatory framework, British people will no longer be able to move around the continent as freely as before.

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens
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Forgot to add this link;

How Will ETIAS & BREXIT Affect UK Citizens?

The free movement of people is one of the EU’s key principles. Once the UK is no longer a part of the union’s regulatory framework, British people will no longer be able to move around the continent as freely as before.

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens


A totally unnecessary bit of red tape which will not be echoed by Britain but sounds about right for the EU.
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Forgot to add this link;

How Will ETIAS & BREXIT Affect UK Citizens?

The free movement of people is one of the EU’s key principles. Once the UK is no longer a part of the union’s regulatory framework, British people will no longer be able to move around the continent as freely as before.

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens


A totally unnecessary bit of red tape which will not be echoed by Britain but sounds about right for the EU.

Far from 'red tape' fom rules were already there and UK, when still a member state, agreed to them and enjoyed the unfettered access it gave its citizens but thats now changed for UK since they chose to turn their back on EU, throw fom down the pan, and become a third country.

"From 2021, UK citizens will not be able to enter the Schengen Area with only their passports. The EU Commission has confirmed that UK citizens will need to pay a fee to visit Europe and will need to complete the online ETIAS application form before setting off."

"However, the implementation of the law is conditional. Members of the European Parliament also said this arrangement is conditional upon the UK granting EU nationals the same benefits. This means British travelers will only be visa-exempt as long as EU citizens can enter the UK without a visa."


The EU are protecting the interests of their 27 member states and if UK want visa-free travel they must extend the same to EU nationals.....seems fair to me. Third country UK cannot start stomping its feet expecting some kind of 'specialty'. Our cherry picking days are over. There are some resident immigrant Brits in for a rude awakening too when they find unless they apply for citizenship of their chosen country, they won't be able to move freely from one country to another.
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Good find Paul. I don't think 747 fully read the link before posting!

The reason the EU are introducing the rule is clearly stated (enhanced border security) plus that it applies to the 61 other "third countries" that are granted visa free access to the Schengen area, so is not Brexit related (other than "we" apparently voted for it! ).

After all, it is quite usual for states to decide how they wish to police their borders. Although the EU is not a "state" (it is technically a confederation of nation states) the introduction of ETIAS is policy agreed by all 27 member states and, as pointed out within the link, is a form of border control that mirrors current practice in the USA and elsewhere.

It is for the EU to decide what they consider necessary, and it seems they have.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-02-04 6:36 PM

Good find Paul. I don't think 747 fully read the link before posting!

The reason the EU are introducing the rule is clearly stated (enhanced border security) plus that it applies to the 61 other "third countries" that are granted visa free access to the Schengen area, so is not Brexit related (other than "we" apparently voted for it! ).

After all, it is quite usual for states to decide how they wish to police their borders. Although the EU is not a "state" (it is technically a confederation of nation states) the introduction of ETIAS is policy agreed by all 27 member states and, as pointed out within the link, is a form of border control that mirrors current practice in the USA and elsewhere.

It is for the EU to decide what they consider necessary, and it seems they have.


Can you show me where the British Government has said it will require a similar system for EU Nationals Brian? If that is so then I will apologise. My understanding was that EU Nationals could travel to the UK on a Passport, the only restrictions would apply to coming here for employment purposes once a new system was in place.

Edited by 747 2020-02-04 7:25 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2020-02-04 6:36 PM

Good find Paul. I don't think 747 fully read the link before posting!

The reason the EU are introducing the rule is clearly stated (enhanced border security) plus that it applies to the 61 other "third countries" that are granted visa free access to the Schengen area, so is not Brexit related (other than "we" apparently voted for it! ).

After all, it is quite usual for states to decide how they wish to police their borders. Although the EU is not a "state" (it is technically a confederation of nation states) the introduction of ETIAS is policy agreed by all 27 member states and, as pointed out within the link, is a form of border control that mirrors current practice in the USA and elsewhere.

It is for the EU to decide what they consider necessary, and it seems they have.

You would have thought all the Brexity types would have been cheering this on wouldn't you, same as over the Spain/Gib border issue....."taking back control" etc and all that stuff, but instead see it as the EU "being nasty", failing to grasp the EU is simply protecting and acting in the interests of its member states.....which we once were but no longer are yet some still appear to expect 'specialty'.
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Brian Kirby - 2020-02-04 6:36 PM

Good find Paul. I don't think 747 fully read the link before posting!

The reason the EU are introducing the rule is clearly stated (enhanced border security) plus that it applies to the 61 other "third countries" that are granted visa free access to the Schengen area, so is not Brexit related (other than "we" apparently voted for it! ).

After all, it is quite usual for states to decide how they wish to police their borders. Although the EU is not a "state" (it is technically a confederation of nation states) the introduction of ETIAS is policy agreed by all 27 member states and, as pointed out within the link, is a form of border control that mirrors current practice in the USA and elsewhere.

It is for the EU to decide what they consider necessary, and it seems they have.


Can you show me where the British Government has said it will require a similar system for EU Nationals Brian? If that is so then I will apologise. My understanding was that EU Nationals could travel to the UK on a Passport, the only restrictions would apply to coming here for employment purposes once a new system was in place.

At the moment they can.....but UK has already stated its intention to end fom. UK gov cannot have everything they want and are not going to get it either. We forfeited our seat at the table four days ago.

It has been suggested by the UK Home Office that EU tourists will be able to travel to Britain and Northern Ireland with an eTA visa waiver in the near future. Until this is launched EU visitors can visit with passports as before.

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens
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Why dont they just agree to allow freedom of movement?

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Which nation in Europe has the most citizens living abroad? Its us. about five million or 8% of the population, 1.3 million of them within Europe.

The myth that EU Citizens coming here are spongers, taking our jobs and clogging up our services has been exposed as just that, a total myth. Regardless of which its also been proved just how valuable to us these workers are from the NHS to the Cabbage pullers. The government is already having to relax the rules to allow others in from the rest of the world and immigration numbers wont change, they will just come from Asia and Africa if the Europeans all clear off. Immigration from Europe is already declining thanks to Brexit and the nose dive the pound took.

So why are we so insistent on ending Free Movement? I Thought it was all about getting control and sovereignty back. Well you will have that so whats the problem? Do you really want millions of elderly ex pat pensioners coming back to the UK and clogging up our services and if foreigners do bother you do you want to see European faces replaced by African and Asian ones? (has to be said).

So why are we ending freedom of movement? Why is it such a dirty word? (Two words)

Edited by Barryd999 2020-02-05 8:25 AM
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Political Trick
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Creating a foreign enemy.

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747 - 2020-02-03 11:38 PM
A totally unnecessary bit of red tape which will not be echoed by Britain but sounds about right for the EU.


Can you point out one bit of EU 'Red Tape' that Britain did not vote for and which has seriously disadvantaged us
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Barryd999 - 2020-02-05 8:24 AM
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Political Trick
Probably the oldest one in the book -
Creating a foreign enemy.



I wonder who they will blame in the future then. They cant blame Corbyn anymore or the remainers and very soon they wont be able to blame foreigners or the EU although I suspect they will try the latter two for some time yet.
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Barryd999 - 2020-02-05 8:24 AM

Which nation in Europe has the most citizens living abroad? Its us. about five million or 8% of the population, 1.3 million of them within Europe.

The myth that EU Citizens coming here are spongers, taking our jobs and clogging up our services has been exposed as just that, a total myth.

One of the best posts i read on that topic titled, "EU workers stealing British jobs", was met with a reply by one poster who said; "Well they've been doing a pretty good job of 'stealing' work from my bone idle nephew who hasn't done a days work in his life since leaving school 15 years ago and has no intention of working".
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Barryd999 - 2020-02-05 12:26 PM

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Barryd999 - 2020-02-05 8:24 AM
(Two words)

Political Trick
Probably the oldest one in the book -
Creating a foreign enemy.



I wonder who they will blame in the future then. They cant blame Corbyn anymore or the remainers and very soon they wont be able to blame foreigners or the EU although I suspect they will try the latter two for some time yet.

The weather, climate change, leaves on the line......anything but themselves though this guy has a short message for them.

https://twitter.com/MitchBenn/status/1223382193197723648
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