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What’s really driving Brexit: bigotry
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userBulletguy
Posted: 3 December 2018 9:25 PM
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Good article which nails it.


Beneath all the talk of “control” and “global Britain”, there is the germ of an extremely unpleasant nativism. Again, we pesky centrists are told to be quiet and to heed the concerns of those who have been “left behind”. But since there is not a shred of respectable evidence that immigration has had more than a marginal impact upon public service capacity, wage levels or net welfare costs, I am forced to conclude that there is now a sufficiency of Britons who just don’t much like people of foreign extraction, and certainly don’t want many more of them around the place.

So often one hears that the British people “were not consulted” about immigration levels. To which the answer is: oh yes you damn well were. Every time you insisted on a properly staffed NHS, on social care that was halfway decent, on a service economy that worked, on affordable decorators, on your Tesco and Amazon deliveries arriving on time. Each time you took that landscape for granted, you were complicit in the immigration policy that preceded the Brexit vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/honest-brexit-bigotry-ugly-chapter-history?CMP=share_btn_tw
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 8:16 AM
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More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......



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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!
userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 1:52 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

I suppose you have this skewed venom for Irish media too?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/let-s-be-honest-about-what-s-really-driving-brexit-bigotry-1.3718257
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Posted: 4 December 2018 2:01 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

I suppose you have this skewed venom for Irish media too?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/let-s-be-honest-about-what-s-really-driving-brexit-bigotry-1.3718257


Written by the same Guardian loop journalist ... Ooooops ... Same fella who says "we face political collapse" ... Your kinda read , few pictures as well
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Posted: 4 December 2018 3:41 PM
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Posted: 4 December 2018 3:46 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........



Edited by pelmetman 2018-12-04 3:47 PM
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Posted: 4 December 2018 4:12 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 3:41 PM

Play the ball, Antony, not the man.

He dropped the ball long ago!
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Posted: 4 December 2018 4:19 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 4:34 PM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 4:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.


What's to debate? .............

We've chosen our sides .........

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 4 December 2018 6:15 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 4:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.


What's to debate? .............

We've chosen our sides .........

Everything is to debate. I assume that is why you keep adding your own comments. Taking sides doesn't prevent anyone listening to, or reading, opposing views. If they don't, they become ignorant.
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 December 2018 7:11 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:15 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 4:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.


What's to debate? .............

We've chosen our sides .........

Everything is to debate. I assume that is why you keep adding your own comments. Taking sides doesn't prevent anyone listening to, or reading, opposing views. If they don't, they become ignorant.


There's nothing left to debate ........

I'm just doing my bit to disrupt the Remoaner propaganda machine .........

If I don't, they'll become arrogant .........

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Posted: 4 December 2018 8:21 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 3:41 PM

Play the ball, Antony, not the man.


userBulletguy
Posted: 4 December 2018 11:00 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:11 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:15 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 4:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.


What's to debate? .............

We've chosen our sides .........

Everything is to debate. I assume that is why you keep adding your own comments. Taking sides doesn't prevent anyone listening to, or reading, opposing views. If they don't, they become ignorant.


There's nothing left to debate ........

I'm just doing my bit to disrupt the Remoaner propaganda machine .........

If I don't, they'll become arrogant .........

Try reading it...then impress us with a mind-blowing composition of intelligent grammar rather than inane one liner tweet like sentences of half a dozen words padded out with streams of full stops and emoticons.

Are you using a phone to post on here with?

Edited by Bulletguy 2018-12-04 11:00 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 5 December 2018 9:40 AM
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Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 11:00 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:11 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 6:15 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 4:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2018-12-04 4:19 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 3:46 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-04 1:06 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 8:16 AM

More left wing bile from the font of Tosh...............the Guardian .......

Dave, you really need to stop standing in the middle of the room with your eyes closed, and saying "you can't see me"!


Perhaps you should stop being a sponge and soaking up all the doom & gloom ........

As long as you refuse to read the article you aren't in a position to pass comment or debate because you haven't a clue what you're posting about. You can bury your head in the sand as long as you like but that won't make uncomfortable truths disappear.


What's to debate? .............

We've chosen our sides .........

Everything is to debate. I assume that is why you keep adding your own comments. Taking sides doesn't prevent anyone listening to, or reading, opposing views. If they don't, they become ignorant.


There's nothing left to debate ........

I'm just doing my bit to disrupt the Remoaner propaganda machine .........

If I don't, they'll become arrogant .........

Try reading it...then impress us with a mind-blowing composition of intelligent grammar rather than inane one liner tweet like sentences of half a dozen words padded out with streams of full stops and emoticons.

Are you using a phone to post on here with?


Why would I want to read the Biased outpourings of a Remoaner Journo? ..........

I'd rather polish my knobs ..........14 done......10 to go ..........

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 5 December 2018 3:05 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:11 PM...……………..There's nothing left to debate ........

I'm just doing my bit to disrupt the Remoaner propaganda machine .........

If I don't, they'll become arrogant .........

You can't know that, because you don't debate.

You are therefore not in a position to disrupt anything.

You are confusing arrogance with reason!
userpelmetman
Posted: 5 December 2018 3:47 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-05 3:05 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-04 7:11 PM...……………..There's nothing left to debate ........

I'm just doing my bit to disrupt the Remoaner propaganda machine .........

If I don't, they'll become arrogant .........

You can't know that, because you don't debate.

You are therefore not in a position to disrupt anything.

You are confusing arrogance with reason!


You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

userBrian Kirby
Posted: 5 December 2018 4:33 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!
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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:04 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-05 4:33 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........

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Posted: 5 December 2018 5:42 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........



To the remain lot no ... The grievances they had/have with the EU as winners of the referendum dont count ... In the eyes of the remainers leavers are either too thick to understand the consequences of leaving or too thick to see through the lies ... They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed
userpelmetman
Posted: 5 December 2018 6:13 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-05 4:33 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........



To the remain lot no ... The grievances they had/have with the EU as winners of the referendum dont count ... In the eyes of the remainers leavers are either too thick to understand the consequences of leaving or too thick to see through the lies ... They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed


What gets me...... is they say that "Parliament has taken back control" ...........

Hmmmm........ I wonder who it is that puts them in control? ..........

The next election will be either interesting .......or....... payback time ........

Depending on what happens in a 114 days time .........



Edited by pelmetman 2018-12-05 6:14 PM
userantony1969
Posted: 5 December 2018 6:17 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 5:04 PM

Brian Kirby - 2018-12-05 4:33 PM

pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........



To the remain lot no ... The grievances they had/have with the EU as winners of the referendum dont count ... In the eyes of the remainers leavers are either too thick to understand the consequences of leaving or too thick to see through the lies ... They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed


What gets me...... is they say that "Parliament has taken back control" ...........

Hmmmm........ I wonder who it is that puts them in control? ..........

The next election will be either interesting .......or....... payback time ........

Depending on what happens in a 114 days time .........



Remain or leave , Tory or Labour who trusts Parliament ??? ... In 50 years time they will write and talk about this time if Brexit gets blobbed as the turning point for the UK ... We might need that EU army here soon
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Posted: 5 December 2018 6:23 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........

Many have since smelled the coffee, woken up and Bregreting big time. Still a few knuckle dragging stragglers though such as the "massive" turnout for this pro-Brexit rally which attracted 10 sheep and a dog. Maybe folk heard Hopkins was coming so decided to stay away.



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userBrian Kirby
Posted: 5 December 2018 6:31 PM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 3:47 PM...........You are confusing stopping Brexit ......with winning .........

No, I am not at all confused by those concepts. Stop Brexit and UK Plc wins. Same thing!


So what about the 17.4 million? ..........I guess they don't matter ..........and you call us arrogant ........

But I didn't, that is your favourite word!

What matters to me is the economic health of the UK, not "winning".

Yes, 17.4 million was a 51% majority of the votes cast - but it was only 38% of the electorate, and 26% of the population. So the "Brexit won" claims are only true if very selectively applied.

What you are both pursuing is a personal "win" that would leave the majority of people worse off. What I am pursuing is a future that leaves the majority of people better off.

You need to declare that clearly when you say that another referendum would be un democratic. Then ask people what the want. If they then say they want Brexit, fine; but until Brexiters are honest about what they are pursuing the results of any referendum will be unsafe.
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Posted: 5 December 2018 6:37 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-05 5:42 PM...……….. They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed

Well, that's really democratic, Antony! If you don't get your way, and make the UK worse off, you and your mates will riot. I imagine you'll be widely admired for that. Statues will be erected to you. Songs written about you. Poetry dedicated to you. Or not!
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Posted: 5 December 2018 6:49 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-05 5:42 PM...……….. They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed

Well, that's really democratic, Antony! If you don't get your way, and make the UK worse off, you and your mates will riot. I imagine you'll be widely admired for that. Statues will be erected to you. Songs written about you. Poetry dedicated to you. Or not!


Never said I would riot ... I dont drive a white van , mines silver ... If democracy fails and our much loved system fails then what can you expect Brian ... We are talking about the dregs of society , the knuckle draggers that voted to leave ... Its the only way they know how to behave ... They only just managed to put X on that card , they aint guna be happy if you lot spoil all that hard work are they ... That statue idea is a good one though ... Remove the Harold Wilson one here in the pits and erect me please x
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Posted: 5 December 2018 6:50 PM
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What you are both pursuing is a personal "win" that would leave the majority of people worse off. What I am pursuing is a future that leaves the majority of people better off.



Based on the opinion of Remoaners .........

All your pursuing is your European Federalist agenda ........

Are you ashamed of being British Brian? .........

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antony1969 - 2018-12-05 5:42 PM...……….. They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed

Well, that's really democratic, Antony! If you don't get your way, and make the UK worse off, you and your mates will riot. I imagine you'll be widely admired for that. Statues will be erected to you. Songs written about you. Poetry dedicated to you. Or not!


Works in France ..........

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Posted: 5 December 2018 6:56 PM
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antony1969 - 2018-12-05 5:42 PM...……….. They wanna be careful cos white van man will make Paris riots look peaceful if Brexit gets blobbed

Well, that's really democratic, Antony! If you don't get your way, and make the UK worse off, you and your mates will riot. I imagine you'll be widely admired for that. Statues will be erected to you. Songs written about you. Poetry dedicated to you. Or not!

He doesn't believe in democracy.....the same poster threatened school teachers daring to exercise their democratic right to strike, "if there outside my local school waving there placards am going straight on pavement for em in me van"
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pelmetman - 2018-12-05 6:50 PM.................Works in France ..........

So, you now see rioting as the new democracy? Is that the official Brexit view, or just yours?
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