Guest pelmetman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 About their Nasty Leader >:-) ............. "He goes further stating he is the face of Law and Order….well lets look into that. He informed the police to not pursue the Muslim grooming gangs who were raping and abusing thousands of white girls, infact he goes even further to rub the salt into the wound and promotes Naz Shah to his shadow front bench as the communities shadow secretary. The same Naz Shah who told those white girls who were being abused to shut up for the sake of diversity. Is he for real? He has no sympathy for those who are victims of abuse because he stated that there is no real evidence on Jimmy Saville, and let one of the biggest paedophiles die in peace without having to stand trial for his crimes. In effect he robbed the victims of justice on both occasions. When he worked as the Director of Public Prosecutions he ran the place in to the ground and they only received a rating of 12% for staff morale, and it was considered the worse run than at any other time. When not the DPP he defended a known IRA terrorist who had his teeth broken when trying to escape and who shot at…SHOT AT THE GUARDS, and quite rightly he was stopped and what did Sir Keir I AM THE LAW do??? Well he sued the government on behalf of said scumbag..…now call me a bit picky….but that’s not defending law and order. He also defended ISIS members who were up in court and defended them as not so much bad guys! What planet is he is on? As part of his bid to become the next Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer has made political capital out of his legal career by highlighting the cases he has pursued on behalf of the ‘underdog’. But there are some cases he appears to have airbrushed out of his CV – including representing convicted IRA terrorists who staged a botched jailbreak in which a prison guard was shot, and then sued for injuries they sustained. He also teamed up with a notorious human rights lawyer to free a suspected Iraqi terrorist who plotted to bomb British troops in Iraq. Acting under the instruction of Public Interest Lawyers, a now defunct firm run by disgraced human rights lawyer Phil Shiner, Starmer headed the legal team which sued the Government over a breach to Al-Jedda’s human rights. In 2007 the House of Lords ruled the detention of the suspected terrorist was lawful, but that ruling was then overturned in 2011 by the European courts. In 2017, Shiner was struck off the roll of solicitors after earning more than £1.6 million from an improper deal carving up fees from pursuing abuse claims against British troops. Starmer was criticised by former Labour Home Office Minister Kate Hoey, who said: ‘Keir Starmer likes to talk up his credentials as a human rights campaigner. However there is quite a lot of airbrushing of his CV going on here and the truth about his career outside politics is a good deal more complicated than this. ‘What you won’t hear Keir Starmer talk about is how he defended IRA terrorists suing the British taxpayer for injuries they sustained after breaking out of prison, how he worked with disgraced solicitor Phil Shiner to prevent British troops from detaining a suspected Iraqi terrorist.’ Ms Hoey added: ‘Of course everyone is entitled to legal representation, however, I am not sure where this fits Keir Starmer’s frequently stated synopsis of his career as ‘fighting for justice, standing up for the powerless and against the powerful’. ‘As a potential political leader he must be much more transparent about his previous work’." https://politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays.blog/2020/09/22/captain-hindsight-strikes-again-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartO Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Your Mutley signature cartoon is getting very irritating Pelmetman, partly because it takes up a lot of space on the page. It was funny once but now it stops me from bothering to read your posts. Just saying....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 StuartO - 2020-10-23 12:01 PM Your Mutley signature cartoon is getting very irritating Pelmetman, partly because it takes up a lot of space on the page. It was funny once but now it stops me from bothering to read your posts. Just saying....... OK Doc, out of deference to you I will retire Mutely ;-) ......... I'll only let him out again at 1 minute past midnight on the 1st of January 2021 :D .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-23 12:44 PM John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... A browse over the articles is enough to tell anyone it's heavily pro-right wing, racist, and xenophobic flying under the dubious obscurity of "politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays" as its blog url publishing opinion pieces. Looks like it's run by a bunch of swivel eyed right wing circle jerk loons hence the appeal to the op. *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-10-23 4:10 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-23 12:44 PM John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... A browse over the articles is enough to tell anyone it's heavily pro-right wing, racist, and xenophobic flying under the dubious obscurity of "politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays" as its blog url publishing opinion pieces. Looks like it's run by a bunch of swivel eyed right wing circle jerk loons hence the appeal to the op. *-) I found her on Facebook. Its just the rantings of some mad woman with no followers called Sue. (lol) Anyone could slap together a wordpress blog which is what that is. Ive done them myself for April Fools day. The best one I think was a news report stating there would be no motorhomes allowed on Ferries after Brexit. This was a goodun when Farage launched his new Brexiteer Newspaper. (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 This was one of mine as well that went viral. Not heard of old Francois for a while. I wonder why. Well I know why. 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. For one or two on here it seems they'd prefer a country run by some kind of political junta. They just need to remember how that generally ends for the citizenry at large. Whichever political extreme dominates justice suffers. Trying to counter the allegation that extreme right wing views mirror Fascist views, on the basis that Fascism called itself International Socialism, is facile. If a dog were called Rudolph it wouldn't turn it into a reindeer, would it? See here for a Wiki on Fascism: https://tinyurl.com/yxe73xvh The effect on the ordinary citizen of Fascism is little different from that of Leninism, Marxism, Maoism or whatever. All end up with paranoid purges as the leaders become increasingly isolated and begin to imagine they are under attack on all sides. The extremes, whether political or religious, end with violence as their increasing paranoid leaderships seek to reinforce their grip on an increasingly reluctant populous by eliminating their opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Dangerous indeed.....both the perpetrators and those daft enough to soak up it's bile. First thing i noticed was it's total anonymity so whoever is behind it hasn't the courage of their convictions. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. For one or two on here it seems they'd prefer a country run by some kind of political junta. They just need to remember how that generally ends for the citizenry at large. Whichever political extreme dominates justice suffers. Precisely......and the real life experience would be a harsh wake up call they'd spend the rest of their miserable lives regretting they'd ever supported and would knock the arrogance and cockiness out of them for good.....assuming they managed to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. For one or two on here it seems they'd prefer a country run by some kind of political junta. They just need to remember how that generally ends for the citizenry at large. Whichever political extreme dominates justice suffers. Trying to counter the allegation that extreme right wing views mirror Fascist views, on the basis that Fascism called itself International Socialism, is facile. If a dog were called Rudolph it wouldn't turn it into a reindeer, would it? See here for a Wiki on Fascism: https://tinyurl.com/yxe73xvh The effect on the ordinary citizen of Fascism is little different from that of Leninism, Marxism, Maoism or whatever. All end up with paranoid purges as the leaders become increasingly isolated and begin to imagine they are under attack on all sides. The extremes, whether political or religious, end with violence as their increasing paranoid leaderships seek to reinforce their grip on an increasingly reluctant populous by eliminating their opponents. Yes so why do people believe it? BoJo has got something out of it. As have his £billionaire 'newspaper' owner supporters, who will now be outside the scope of an EU tax treaty in Her Majesty's tax havens. As have all the private companies getting £billions for so called 'world beating ' test and trace systems that don't work, useless PPE, and gawd knows what else since over £3 billion of our money remains unaccounted for. But most people will be worse off, so why do they fall for it? The likes of Hitler/Cummings/Johnson seem to have the knack of finding out what pushes their buttons, and promising it to them - even if that promise is to be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Bulletguy - 2020-10-23 7:43 PM Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Dangerous indeed.....both the perpetrators and those daft enough to soak up it's bile. First thing i noticed was it's total anonymity so whoever is behind it hasn't the courage of their convictions. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. For one or two on here it seems they'd prefer a country run by some kind of political junta. They just need to remember how that generally ends for the citizenry at large. Whichever political extreme dominates justice suffers. Precisely......and the real life experience would be a harsh wake up call they'd spend the rest of their miserable lives regretting they'd ever supported and would knock the arrogance and cockiness out of them for good.....assuming they managed to stay alive. Things that can hold the Government to account are under attack like The EU The Judiciary The BBC Head of state just been given an inflation busting pay rise other organisations are being threatened and bribed to promote the Government on social media >:-) https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/oct/18/want-an-arts-bailout-then-youd-better-praise-sunak-co By the time people wake up to what Bojo is doing it will be too late >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. So in your opinion....... the FACT that Starmer was one of the Vipers involved with Phil Shiner Public Interest Lawyers persecution of British troops should be ignored? :-| ............ Are you also going to claim that those false prosecutions were NOT polictically motivated? *-) ........ Do you really want to live in a country run by Snake Starmer? 8-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-24 7:33 AM But most people will be worse off, so why do they fall for it? Says the SNP voter 8-) ........... (lol) (lol) (lol) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-10-23 4:53 PM Bulletguy - 2020-10-23 4:10 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-23 12:44 PM John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... A browse over the articles is enough to tell anyone it's heavily pro-right wing, racist, and xenophobic flying under the dubious obscurity of "politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays" as its blog url publishing opinion pieces. Looks like it's run by a bunch of swivel eyed right wing circle jerk loons hence the appeal to the op. *-) I found her on Facebook. Its just the rantings of some mad woman with no followers called Sue. (lol) Anyone could slap together a wordpress blog which is what that is. Ive done them myself for April Fools day. The best one I think was a news report stating there would be no motorhomes allowed on Ferries after Brexit. This was a goodun when Farage launched his new Brexiteer Newspaper. (lol) So you admit you've been involved in peddling FAKE NEWS >:-) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 This is what happened when Her Majesty's Soldiers were not held to account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre Who is to stop us going back to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-24 9:37 AM This is what happened when Her Majesty's Soldiers were not held to account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre Who is to stop us going back to that? MalcD shot you down about your claim only a few days ago ;-) ......... Have you got dementia? :-S ......... Talking about your Claims/Lies :D ........... Have you found any evidence of Snake Starmer prosecuting IRA terrorists yet? >:-) ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryd999 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:27 AM Barryd999 - 2020-10-23 4:53 PM Bulletguy - 2020-10-23 4:10 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-23 12:44 PM John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... A browse over the articles is enough to tell anyone it's heavily pro-right wing, racist, and xenophobic flying under the dubious obscurity of "politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays" as its blog url publishing opinion pieces. Looks like it's run by a bunch of swivel eyed right wing circle jerk loons hence the appeal to the op. *-) I found her on Facebook. Its just the rantings of some mad woman with no followers called Sue. (lol) Anyone could slap together a wordpress blog which is what that is. Ive done them myself for April Fools day. The best one I think was a news report stating there would be no motorhomes allowed on Ferries after Brexit. This was a goodun when Farage launched his new Brexiteer Newspaper. (lol) So you admit you've been involved in peddling FAKE NEWS >:-) ........... Oh yes! Of course the difference is my fake news is clearly Parody and satire unless your a thicko of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Barryd999 - 2020-10-24 10:07 AM pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:27 AM Barryd999 - 2020-10-23 4:53 PM Bulletguy - 2020-10-23 4:10 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-23 12:44 PM John52 - 2020-10-23 11:30 AM You only need to read the thread title to see its biased. An unbiased article would present the facts and let the reader make up their own minds about who is nasty or not According to your Loony Lefty biased mind >:-) ......... A browse over the articles is enough to tell anyone it's heavily pro-right wing, racist, and xenophobic flying under the dubious obscurity of "politicsrestuarantsclothesandholidays" as its blog url publishing opinion pieces. Looks like it's run by a bunch of swivel eyed right wing circle jerk loons hence the appeal to the op. *-) I found her on Facebook. Its just the rantings of some mad woman with no followers called Sue. (lol) Anyone could slap together a wordpress blog which is what that is. Ive done them myself for April Fools day. The best one I think was a news report stating there would be no motorhomes allowed on Ferries after Brexit. This was a goodun when Farage launched his new Brexiteer Newspaper. (lol) So you admit you've been involved in peddling FAKE NEWS >:-) ........... Oh yes! Of course the difference is my fake news is clearly Parody and satire unless your a thicko of course. So you admit that other LOSER fake news is not parody and satire? ;-) ........ For example Joke52 claiming that the Snake Starmer prosecuted IRA terrorists? >:-) .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:54 AM John52 - 2020-10-24 9:37 AM This is what happened when Her Majesty's Soldiers were not held to account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre Who is to stop us going back to that? MalcD shot you down about your claim only a few days ago ;-) ......... There was some debate about whether they should be called 'Her Majesty's soldiers' But that is beside the point. Which is what happens when soldiers are not held accountable. Can't you see that? All the things that could hold the Government and (its soldiers) to account are being denigrated and attacked. Which is what happens in the stages of a dictatorship. By the time you realise whats happening its too late. QUOTE]pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:54 AM Have you found any evidence of Snake Starmer prosecuting IRA terrorists yet? >:-) ........ Plenty, but I'm not going to waste my time posting links that you won't read He stated it in the House of Commons and would surely have been shot down if it wasn't true. You are so desperate to dig the dirt on Labour you start a thread castigating a Labour Councillor just because he has a blue badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-24 10:14 AM LOSER fake news is not parody and satire? ;-) ........ For example Joke52 So this LOSER is effectively getting your money Bojo is taxing off you to bribe us not to vote for the nationalists, and maintain his empire at you expense. Can you at least just tell me something I have lost that you haven't *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-24 12:30 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-24 10:14 AM LOSER fake news is not parody and satire? ;-) ........ For example Joke52 So this LOSER is effectively getting your money Bojo is taxing off you to bribe us not to vote for the nationalists, and maintain his empire at you expense. Can you at least just tell me something I have lost that you haven't *-) Your marbles (lol) (lol) (lol) ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 John52 - 2020-10-24 12:24 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:54 AM John52 - 2020-10-24 9:37 AM This is what happened when Her Majesty's Soldiers were not held to account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre Who is to stop us going back to that? MalcD shot you down about your claim only a few days ago ;-) ......... There was some debate about whether they should be called 'Her Majesty's soldiers' But that is beside the point. Which is what happens when soldiers are not held accountable. Can't you see that? All the things that could hold the Government and (its soldiers) to account are being denigrated and attacked. Which is what happens in the stages of a dictatorship. By the time you realise whats happening its too late. QUOTE]pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:54 AM Have you found any evidence of Snake Starmer prosecuting IRA terrorists yet? >:-) ........ Plenty, but I'm not going to waste my time posting links that you won't read He stated it in the House of Commons and would surely have been shot down if it wasn't true. You said the Snake Starmer was prosecuting IRA terrorists whilst Boris was getting sacked ;-) ....... The Snake Starmer wasn't the head of the CPS when Boris got the sack so where is your evidence? >:-) ........ Or are you just another Loony Lefty Liar? (lol) (lol) (lol) ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. 1 So in your opinion....... the FACT that Starmer was one of the Vipers involved with Phil Shiner Public Interest Lawyers persecution of British troops should be ignored? :-| ............ 2 Are you also going to claim that those false prosecutions were NOT polictically motivated? *-) ........ 3 Do you really want to live in a country run by Snake Starmer? 8-) ........... 1 I don't think you understand the British legal system Dave. Barristers are (generally) hired by solicitors to either prosecute, or defend, an accused in court. There must be prosecution and defence for a fair trial, in which evidence for, and against, a charge is argued before a jury. The jury then decides who they think had the most persuasive argument, and find the accused either guilty or not guilty. To do that, defence barristers at times have to hold their noses. Notwithstanding, they are obliged to present the best defence for their client they can muster. It is a job that only a barrister can do. They may not like the case, but ultimately, someone has to take it. Otherwise, the legal system collapses. Shiner was a bent solicitor, and as a solicitor will presumably have briefed many barristers in many cases. He was investigated before his professional disciplinary tribunal for gross misconduct in 2014 and struck off in 2017. Starmer was a barrister from 1987 to 2008, and DPP from 2008 to 2013, so he would have needed considerable powers of clairvoyance to foresee Shiner's subsequent misconduct during the time he was a practising barrister. 2 No, though greed seems to me an equally plausible motive. However, that was Shiner, not Starmer, who was never DPP, MP, or held public office. 3 Tough choice isn't it? As things stand, Starmer or Johnson. The largely unknown lawyer (whose integrity seems sound) or the indecisive libertarian buffoon (who seems a total stranger to the concept of integrity). Hmmm! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Brian Kirby - 2020-10-24 3:45 PM pelmetman - 2020-10-24 9:22 AM Brian Kirby - 2020-10-23 6:58 PM As opinion, it has no credibility. It is anonymous, unbalanced, dangerous, untraceable nonsense. Few DPPs get out with everyone lauding their decisions. The balancing acts they have to perform in office invariably earn them brickbats - from supporters and detractors alike. Those who think that the law should be subject to political influence need to think hard about what kind of country they really want to live in. 1 So in your opinion....... the FACT that Starmer was one of the Vipers involved with Phil Shiner Public Interest Lawyers persecution of British troops should be ignored? :-| ............ 2 Are you also going to claim that those false prosecutions were NOT polictically motivated? *-) ........ 3 Do you really want to live in a country run by Snake Starmer? 8-) ........... 1 I don't think you understand the British legal system Dave. Barristers are (generally) hired by solicitors to either prosecute, or defend, an accused in court. There must be prosecution and defence for a fair trial, in which evidence for, and against, a charge is argued before a jury. The jury then decides who they think had the most persuasive argument, and find the accused either guilty or not guilty. To do that, defence barristers at times have to hold their noses. Notwithstanding, they are obliged to present the best defence for their client they can muster. It is a job that only a barrister can do. They may not like the case, but ultimately, someone has to take it. Otherwise, the legal system collapses. Shiner was a bent solicitor, and as a solicitor will presumably have briefed many barristers in many cases. He was investigated before his professional disciplinary tribunal for gross misconduct in 2014 and struck off in 2017. Starmer was a barrister from 1987 to 2008, and DPP from 2008 to 2013, so he would have needed considerable powers of clairvoyance to foresee Shiner's subsequent misconduct during the time he was a practising barrister. 2 No, though greed seems to me an equally plausible motive. However, that was Shiner, not Starmer, who was never DPP, MP, or held public office. 3 Tough choice isn't it? As things stand, Starmer or Johnson. The largely unknown lawyer (whose integrity seems sound) or the indecisive libertarian buffoon (who seems a total stranger to the concept of integrity). Hmmm! :-D Pelmet ran away to consult his manual of dodges after you posted this so you'll probably get a "Snigger" and a silly cartoon as a reply in an hours time. :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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