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userantony1969
Posted: 2 February 2019 8:24 AM
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Great to see all those women out yesterday showing the world they choose to freely wear the hijab and certainly aren't told to cover up by their husbands, brothers , fathers , sons or just other Muslim males ... Really touching , heart warming stuff
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Posted: 2 February 2019 8:49 AM
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So what do you choose to wear on world racist day? Little moustache and jackboots or do you go for the hijab that's all in white with a pointy hat?
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Posted: 2 February 2019 9:32 AM
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Posted: 2 February 2019 9:47 AM
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-02 9:32 AM




When are we going to get a World Moob Day? ...........

Then you can get yours out Barry ........

But I guess some would find that offensive ...........

Just as some find celebrating mass brain washing offensive ............



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userantony1969
Posted: 2 February 2019 9:57 AM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-02 8:49 AM

So what do you choose to wear on world racist day? Little moustache and jackboots or do you go for the hijab that's all in white with a pointy hat?


According to some on here every days a racist day for me though when I ask for evidence from the name callers they strangely cant find any ... Maybe you can sweetheart
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Posted: 2 February 2019 10:00 AM
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If that characters from The Simpsons Barry you might wanna be aware in our brave new world that the programmes makers and its attitude towards certain characters in the show are now seen as racist ... Wouldnt want you to peddle racism
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Posted: 2 February 2019 10:29 AM
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Oops tried to embed a "clutching at straws" meme but I am hopeless at that kind of stuff.

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Posted: 2 February 2019 10:46 AM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 10:29 AM

Oops tried to embed a "clutching at straws" meme but I am hopeless at that kind of stuff.


That would have been funny Veronica , shame that ... Bet women forced to wear the hijab would prolly find it funny too
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Posted: 2 February 2019 11:14 AM
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It's funny how the forums liberals are falling over themselves to defend a anti liberal religion .........

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Posted: 2 February 2019 11:39 AM
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It’s a tricky one Dave. If you believe in the freedom of thought conscience and religion then even though you may disagree with someone’s beliefs you will defend their right to hold them unless of course they are translated into action which is unlawful. Wearing a hijab harms no one so it doesn’t bother me at all any more than a nun wearing a veil, an orthodox Jew wearing a Kippah and so on...
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Posted: 2 February 2019 11:46 AM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 11:39 AM

It’s a tricky one Dave. If you believe in the freedom of thought conscience and religion then even though you may disagree with someone’s beliefs you will defend their right to hold them unless of course they are translated into action which is unlawful. Wearing a hijab harms no one so it doesn’t bother me at all any more than a nun wearing a veil, an orthodox Jew wearing a Kippah and so on...


"Harms no one" ... That obviously includes those who are forced to wear it ... Wow
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Posted: 2 February 2019 11:52 AM
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Of course, you’re right on that score Antony, that would be to take away someone’s freedom of thought conscience and religion. Your post was about world hijab day which involves women making the point that not all of them are forced to wear it. I don’t see that the organisers support women being forced to do so.
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Posted: 2 February 2019 1:12 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 11:39 AM

It’s a tricky one Dave. If you believe in the freedom of thought conscience and religion then even though you may disagree with someone’s beliefs you will defend their right to hold them unless of course they are translated into action which is unlawful. Wearing a hijab harms no one so it doesn’t bother me at all any more than a nun wearing a veil, an orthodox Jew wearing a Kippah and so on...


Seeing as these folk are brought up in a closed culture I doubt freedom of thought has ever been allowed ........

They may live in Western cultures, but they have no intention of integrating into our culture, as was perfectly illustrated by the school in Birmingham who wont allow the girls to eat until the boys have finished ........and you liberals think folk like me are cavemen ............



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Posted: 2 February 2019 2:35 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 11:52 AM

Of course, you’re right on that score Antony, that would be to take away someone’s freedom of thought conscience and religion. Your post was about world hijab day which involves women making the point that not all of them are forced to wear it. I don’t see that the organisers support women being forced to do so.


Well the religion of peace does have history with forcing women to do much ... Forced marriage , forced female genital mutilation , forced wearing of the hijab for many etc etc ... Now I am just an old racist for picking up on the suffering millions of Muslim women go through but your a better person for ignoring and not making an issue out of it
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Posted: 2 February 2019 2:40 PM
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I have never said that folks like you are cavemen Dave.

I think there are people, including Muslims, who make considered arguments for and against the wearing of the hijab. I've just expressed my own.

The guiding priciples governing the Freedom of Thought, Conscience and Religion are to be found in Article 9 of the 1950 Convention for the Protection of Human Rights. Article 9 comes under the category of rights set out in that Convention that are not absolute but qualified rights. So it would be possible for the UK to ban certain practices associated with religious groups. That is because Article 9.2. States "Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others"

That's why Ofsted can insist that the school in Birmingham conform to what the state says it must do in order to protect the rights of female children not to suffer discrimination I guess.

As you can see it may be quite tricky to decide whether any interference with the general freedom set out in Article 9 is justified and permissible under Article 9.2 depending on the situation.
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Posted: 2 February 2019 2:44 PM
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Will you stop confusing them with facts.
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Posted: 2 February 2019 2:50 PM
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Fast Pat - 2019-02-02 2:44 PM

Will you stop confusing them with facts.


It's become my mission in life FP. That's a bit sad I know. Welcome to the forum BTW. I've enjoyed reading your posts.

Veronica
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Posted: 2 February 2019 3:28 PM
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Interesting viewing for those who preach the joys of Islam here from some very , very brave ex-Muslims who fear for their lives ... https://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/islams-non-believers/ and why do they fear for their lives , simply for wanting to leave the religion ... The religion of peace
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Posted: 2 February 2019 3:43 PM
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Point out the people who preach the joys of Islam on here Antony?
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Posted: 2 February 2019 3:51 PM
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I never said "on here" Veronica but put it this way if I am called racist or Islamaphobe for daring to talk about Islamic terrorism or Muslim sex gangs etc on here then I would presume those calling me such names are defending it and the joys of it
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Posted: 2 February 2019 4:25 PM
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I treat your concerns seriously Antony. I share them in that there is a question mark over whether the enforcement of our civil and criminal laws is effective in combatting the denial of human rights to some of the most vulnerable in our society. However, I think you assume too much when people question your agenda or your thoughts on these issues. It is not credible that those who question your opinions support the abominable treatment of others so please stop accusing them of it.
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Posted: 2 February 2019 5:18 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 4:25 PM

I treat your concerns seriously Antony. I share them in that there is a question mark over whether the enforcement of our civil and criminal laws is effective in combatting the denial of human rights to some of the most vulnerable in our society. However, I think you assume too much when people question your agenda or your thoughts on these issues. It is not credible that those who question your opinions support the abominable treatment of others so please stop accusing them of it.


Im glad you treat the ills of Islam seriously Veronica , any sound minded person would ... Regarding those who question my opinions on the subjects I have previously spoken of if you have deniers of mass Muslim sex gangs in this country preying on mainly under age white girls and those deniers would rather call me an Islamaphobe or racist than attack the perverts that rape these young girls then I can only assume they have no issue with mass Muslim sex gangs doing what they do ... Maybe they just think its a cultural thing and we have to accept it for the joys multiculturalism brings , maybe be like Naz Shah who famously endorsed that we should just shut up
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Posted: 2 February 2019 6:49 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-02-02 2:40 PM

I have never said that folks like you are cavemen Dave.

I think there are people, including Muslims, who make considered arguments for and against the wearing of the hijab. I've just expressed my own.

The guiding priciples governing the Freedom of Thought, Conscience and Religion are to be found in Article 9 of the 1950 Convention for the Protection of Human Rights. Article 9 comes under the category of rights set out in that Convention that are not absolute but qualified rights. So it would be possible for the UK to ban certain practices associated with religious groups. That is because Article 9.2. States "Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others"

That's why Ofsted can insist that the school in Birmingham conform to what the state says it must do in order to protect the rights of female children not to suffer discrimination I guess.

As you can see it may be quite tricky to decide whether any interference with the general freedom set out in Article 9 is justified and permissible under Article 9.2 depending on the situation.


Yeah like that's worked ........

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