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Posted: 17 January 2019 1:26 PM
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well we have pondered over whether or not to get a dog for several years. We have decided to go for a puppy. After a great deal of research we have settled on a miniture poodle. So, at the moment we are in Spain, we have a house in Barcelona and a flat in Roses and they needed some attention...we have the builders in at the mo... so we're spending the winter here until mid February. (I much prefer the motorhome it's a lot easier to maintain)
Now then perhaps those of you with loads of doggie experience can advise. We get home mid Feb. I would like a puppy as soon as possible when we get back as we intend coming back to Spain in the motorhome at the beginning of June. So I'm on a couple of mini poodle breeders waiting lists. I'm not sure how soon after birth people are allowed to see the puppies? There's no point, I think, in expressing an interest if I'm not there to go see and choose the puppy... so should I wait until I get home? or should I express an interest in puppies born say at the beginning of February in the hope that there will be a choice when we get home on 20th Feb? If my callculations are correct we would need to have the puppy by the end of March to be able to get away for the beginning of June....unless of course (Heaven forbid) there is a 'cliff edge Brexit' when life with a dog (and without) would become much more complicated.
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Posted: 17 January 2019 2:43 PM
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Depends on the breed but in some cases you might have to reserve a dog years in advance. How soon you're allowed to see them largely depends on the breeder but I don't see a point in doing so before at least 4 weeks old.

On a lighter note... why having a dog in a MH is sometimes a bad idea (yes, Daily Mail but just trust me)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6587795/Dog-accidentally-puts-owners-RV-reverse-sends-lake.html
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Posted: 17 January 2019 2:51 PM
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Go on the Kennel Club website. There should be details of approved Poodle Breeders, it could widen your choice if you have a limited time period to obtain one.

We organised a Poodle Pup for the Wifes Cousin from a local Breeder and Exhibitor. The Wife is not here at the moment but I will quiz her later and see if anything might be available for you to see.
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Posted: 17 January 2019 4:02 PM
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Thanks for that...I'm on the KC Breeders list so am informed whenever there are new puppies. I'd be interested to hear where you got your puppy though as we are prepared to drive any distance to get a puppy.
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Posted: 17 January 2019 7:06 PM
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Go down the local dog shelter and give one of the unlucky inhabitants a new life. They have dogs of all ages from pups to old chaps who just need love. Check out the dogs trust website. Getting a pedigree dog isn't always best. Just my opinion but I feel crossbreeds have fewer abnormalities and congenital defects than their pedigree counterparts. It's rescue dogs all the way for me !!!
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Posted: 17 January 2019 8:41 PM
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Depends on the breed but in some cases you might have to reserve a dog years in advance. How soon you're allowed to see them largely depends on the breeder but I don't see a point in doing so before at least 4 weeks old.

On a lighter note... why having a dog in a MH is sometimes a bad idea (yes, Daily Mail but just trust me)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6587795/Dog-accidentally-puts-owners-RV-reverse-sends-lake.html

Thank you for this information, but I suspect it is no worse an idea than having kids in a motorhome
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Posted: 17 January 2019 8:47 PM
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Go down the local dog shelter and give one of the unlucky inhabitants a new life. They have dogs of all ages from pups to old chaps who just need love. Check out the dogs trust website. Getting a pedigree dog isn't always best. Just my opinion but I feel crossbreeds have fewer abnormalities and congenital defects than their pedigree counterparts. It's rescue dogs all the way for me !!!


Yes, we thought long and hard about a rescue dog versus a puppy but in the end we've decided on a puppy. We use e-bikes so our puppy will need to be trained to ride in a basket on the bike...much easier to train a puppy I'm sure you're right about pedigree versus crossbreeds but we've decided on a poodle because they are minimal shedding, very intelligent and they need a fair bit of exercise.

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Posted: 17 January 2019 9:04 PM
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You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.
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Posted: 17 January 2019 9:21 PM
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It has been a few years since we got our Chocolate Lab as a puppy but from memory they have to be at least eight weeks old before they can be removed from the mother and then are not allowed anywhere any other dog has been for another four (or maybe eight) weeks, and definitely not until they have had all the initial vaccines.

Ask a breeder or vet for more information to confirm your timing but I think it may be very tight to go away so soon.

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Posted: 17 January 2019 9:34 PM
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Thanks, yes I've done loads of research and I know they have to be very sheltered until they have had all their vaccinations. I just hope we can find our puppy very soon after we get home in February...if not we'll have to postpone our trip until she is ready to travel.
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Posted: 17 January 2019 9:35 PM
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crocs - 2019-01-17 9:04 PM

You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.


15 weeks....that's really helpful information....thanks a lot
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Posted: 17 January 2019 10:24 PM
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You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.


15 weeks....that's really helpful information....thanks a lot


You would need a Puppy born around February 22nd to 25th by my calculations to be 15 weeks old when you leave the UK.

Have you thought about something like a Cockerpoo, a Cavapoo or the Bichon Frise/Poodle cross (I forget the name). They are all active, intelligent and friendly. Just suggesting alternatives in case it is not working out for a Poodle.
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Posted: 18 January 2019 6:47 AM
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You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.


15 weeks....that's really helpful information....thanks a lot


You would need a Puppy born around February 22nd to 25th by my calculations to be 15 weeks old when you leave the UK.

Have you thought about something like a Cockerpoo, a Cavapoo or the Bichon Frise/Poodle cross (I forget the name). They are all active, intelligent and friendly. Just suggesting alternatives in case it is not working out for a Poodle.


Hi Jim, yes we have thought about those but have decided to go for the poodle...though we were tempted by the Cockerpoo. If we can't get a poodle born end of February then we'll leave it until later in the year. We've got kids and grandkids coming to Spain from the States in June so we have to be here to get them sorted. We woulld have to leave getting our puppy until after we got back in July/August. Of course, I'd much prefer to get it now but if we can't we can''t. The other consideration is Brexit if there is a cliff edge which is looking more likely by the day, sadly, then we couldn't bring the dog anyway as I believe the whole situation changes and 4 months or so is required in order for tests to be undertaken.....so we'll see. I shall get the dog anyway as we may not know about Brexit until 28th March one of us would then have to fly over for grandkids as I wouldn't want to leave a puppy so young with anyone even my daughter. Thank you so much for this chat and for working out the dates for me it has been really helpful and I so value your input
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Posted: 18 January 2019 8:58 AM
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If you have no previous experience of dogs there is a lot to be said for starting with an older dog, so you don't have the challenge, initially, of coping with puppyish behaviour, like chewing things (including furniture) and toilet training from scratch. Our first dog was a puppy from a breeder and it worked out well but as we've got older we've enjoyed getting older dogs, usually rescue dogs. A bitch about 2-4 years old would be a safe bet.

I have seen people keeping three or more big dogs, sometimes in remarkably small motorhomes and clearly they manage but two Dalamtians has been plenty for us, even in a bigish Hymer. Out dog was getting on at nine, so we decided a copanion was due and we thought of getting a smaller breed this time but then a sob story cropped up and we ended up with a Dalmatian puppy, who has been a bit of a handful.

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Posted: 18 January 2019 10:36 AM
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Your time scale is really very tight, especially with the uncertainty over Brexit. As this is your first dog, are you really aware of how much work a puppy involves? Feeding several times a day, toilet training, etc.

If you do find one, make sure you see the puppy with its mother and check out the conditions the dogs are kept in, even some KC registered breeders are not as good as they could be.

The breeder should have the puppy microchipped before sale. Make sure it is chipped to you as soon as possible. You will also need to get an identity tag for its collar, with your contact details. As you will be taking it to Spain, make sure any phone nos include the UK international STD code.

Consider very carefully how your pup will travel in the MH. It needs to be secure and not able to interfere with the driver. If you have more than two travel seats this should be no problem (check out the options online). Otherwise, it can be a more difficult. For such a young puppy, a crate would be the best solution but it would need to be secured.

Also, how are you intending to travel back to Europe. Many dog owners prefer to use the Tunnel as you and the dog stay in the vehicle. Leaving a puppy in the MH on a ferry would be very scary for it.

Having dogs in a MHcan be great. You certainly get to talk to more people and explore more areas.

Good luck. Hope you have many years with your dog.
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Posted: 18 January 2019 11:32 AM
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Thank you ever so much for this information. I have had dogs before but it's a while ago and never with the motorhome. I'm anticiating the puppy stuff so feel as prepared as one can be for puppy behaviour. Our house will be pretty puppy proof as we have grandchildren who get up to nearly as many antics I'm a cognitive behavioural psychologist by profession so I'm quite looking forward to the training part.
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Posted: 18 January 2019 11:39 AM
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If you have no previous experience of dogs there is a lot to be said for starting with an older dog, so you don't have the challenge, initially, of coping with puppyish behaviour, like chewing things (including furniture) and toilet training from scratch. Our first dog was a puppy from a breeder and it worked out well but as we've got older we've enjoyed getting older dogs, usually rescue dogs. A bitch about 2-4 years old would be a safe bet.

I have seen people keeping three or more big dogs, sometimes in remarkably small motorhomes and clearly they manage but two Dalamtians has been plenty for us, even in a bigish Hymer. Out dog was getting on at nine, so we decided a copanion was due and we thought of getting a smaller breed this time but then a sob story cropped up and we ended up with a Dalmatian puppy, who has been a bit of a handful.

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Thank you ever so much for this information and for your good wishes. I have had dogs before but it's a while ago and never with the motorhome. I'm anticiating the puppy stuff so feel as prepared as one can be for puppy behaviour. Our house will be pretty puppy proof as we have grandchildren who get up to nearly as many antics I'm a cognitive behavioural psychologist by profession so I'm quite looking forward to the training part.
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Posted: 18 January 2019 11:51 AM
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pottypam - 2019-01-18 10:36 AM

Your time scale is really very tight, especially with the uncertainty over Brexit. As this is your first dog, are you really aware of how much work a puppy involves? Feeding several times a day, toilet training, etc.

If you do find one, make sure you see the puppy with its mother and check out the conditions the dogs are kept in, even some KC registered breeders are not as good as they could be.

The breeder should have the puppy microchipped before sale. Make sure it is chipped to you as soon as possible. You will also need to get an identity tag for its collar, with your contact details. As you will be taking it to Spain, make sure any phone nos include the UK international STD code.

Consider very carefully how your pup will travel in the MH. It needs to be secure and not able to interfere with the driver. If you have more than two travel seats this should be no problem (check out the options online). Otherwise, it can be a more difficult. For such a young puppy, a crate would be the best solution but it would need to be secured.

Also, how are you intending to travel back to Europe. Many dog owners prefer to use the Tunnel as you and the dog stay in the vehicle. Leaving a puppy in the MH on a ferry would be very scary for it.

Having dogs in a MHcan be great. You certainly get to talk to more people and explore more areas.

Good luck. Hope you have many years with your dog.


Thank you for these very helpful comments. Brexit is a problem but then we have no control over what happens there and it will affect us whatever we do!!! I have had dogs before for many years but it has been some time since we had our last dog which was a Bassett Hound. Yes, I'm very aware of the needs of a puppy and have decided that for us this is what are happy to do. I intend buying from a KC registered breeder or a Champdog breeder where all those formalities are in place both health and registration wise. We would expect to see our puppy with her mum and siblings in her home and to receive all the appropriate documentation in relation to her pedigree. I completely agree about the safety of the puppy in travel....she will be crate trained from the beginning. We have 5 belted seats in our motorhome only 2 are in use. We usually use the tunnel and with a young puppy we wouldn't travel any other way. We difinitely would not to leave her for hours alone in a kennel on a ship.
Yes, I am really looking forward to the social side of owning a dog again Thank you for your good wishes
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Posted: 18 January 2019 12:05 PM
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You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.


15 weeks....that's really helpful information....thanks a lot


You would need a Puppy born around February 22nd to 25th by my calculations to be 15 weeks old when you leave the UK.

Have you thought about something like a Cockerpoo, a Cavapoo or the Bichon Frise/Poodle cross (I forget the name). They are all active, intelligent and friendly. Just suggesting alternatives in case it is not working out for a Poodle.


Hi Jim, yes we have thought about those but have decided to go for the poodle...though we were tempted by the Cockerpoo. If we can't get a poodle born end of February then we'll leave it until later in the year. We've got kids and grandkids coming to Spain from the States in June so we have to be here to get them sorted. We woulld have to leave getting our puppy until after we got back in July/August. Of course, I'd much prefer to get it now but if we can't we can''t. The other consideration is Brexit if there is a cliff edge which is looking more likely by the day, sadly, then we couldn't bring the dog anyway as I believe the whole situation changes and 4 months or so is required in order for tests to be undertaken.....so we'll see. I shall get the dog anyway as we may not know about Brexit until 28th March one of us would then have to fly over for grandkids as I wouldn't want to leave a puppy so young with anyone even my daughter. Thank you so much for this chat and for working out the dates for me it has been really helpful and I so value your input


A good breeder will have done health testing for the genetic diseases that poodles are prone to. Some one breeding a mongrel will almost certainly not have done all the necessary testing on both parents and you double up on the chance of joint problems and immune diseases. Stick with a pedigree if you have decided against a rescue. I have seen a huge variety of sizes in crossbred dogs and you might fall in love with one that grows out of the bike basket!
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Posted: 18 January 2019 3:08 PM
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You will also need to watch timings if you plan to leave early June. A puppy must be at least 15 weeks old to travel abroad.


15 weeks....that's really helpful information....thanks a lot


You would need a Puppy born around February 22nd to 25th by my calculations to be 15 weeks old when you leave the UK.

Have you thought about something like a Cockerpoo, a Cavapoo or the Bichon Frise/Poodle cross (I forget the name). They are all active, intelligent and friendly. Just suggesting alternatives in case it is not working out for a Poodle.


Hi Jim, yes we have thought about those but have decided to go for the poodle...though we were tempted by the Cockerpoo. If we can't get a poodle born end of February then we'll leave it until later in the year. We've got kids and grandkids coming to Spain from the States in June so we have to be here to get them sorted. We woulld have to leave getting our puppy until after we got back in July/August. Of course, I'd much prefer to get it now but if we can't we can''t. The other consideration is Brexit if there is a cliff edge which is looking more likely by the day, sadly, then we couldn't bring the dog anyway as I believe the whole situation changes and 4 months or so is required in order for tests to be undertaken.....so we'll see. I shall get the dog anyway as we may not know about Brexit until 28th March one of us would then have to fly over for grandkids as I wouldn't want to leave a puppy so young with anyone even my daughter. Thank you so much for this chat and for working out the dates for me it has been really helpful and I so value your input


A good breeder will have done health testing for the genetic diseases that poodles are prone to. Some one breeding a mongrel will almost certainly not have done all the necessary testing on both parents and you double up on the chance of joint problems and immune diseases. Stick with a pedigree if you have decided against a rescue. I have seen a huge variety of sizes in crossbred dogs and you might fall in love with one that grows out of the bike basket!


Yes indeed I would steer well clear of any breeder who could not show me certificates pertaining to the health of the puppy..... One of the propblems with the cross breeds is that you never quite know what size they will be and I was a bit concerned about the shedding also as it depends on how much of the non poodle breed there is in the cross breed....so all in all I thought the pure poodle was the best way to go.......We really don't want it to grow out of the bike basket.....ever
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Keithl - 2019-01-17 9:21 PM

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It has been a few years since we got our Chocolate Lab as a puppy but from memory they have to be at least eight weeks old before they can be removed from the mother and then are not allowed anywhere any other dog has been for another four (or maybe eight) weeks, and definitely not until they have had all the initial vaccines.

Ask a breeder or vet for more information to confirm your timing but I think it may be very tight to go away so soon.

Keith.


Ha Ha, you would need a sidecar on an E-bike to take our Labrador on it. Dont think a basket would do it.....
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Posted: 23 January 2019 9:05 AM
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HH,

It has been a few years since we got our Chocolate Lab as a puppy but from memory they have to be at least eight weeks old before they can be removed from the mother and then are not allowed anywhere any other dog has been for another four (or maybe eight) weeks, and definitely not until they have had all the initial vaccines.

Ask a breeder or vet for more information to confirm your timing but I think it may be very tight to go away so soon.

Keith.


Ha Ha, you would need a sidecar on an E-bike to take our Labrador on it. Dont think a basket would do it.....

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A rescue dog for us everytime...please don't buy a dog when there are so many looking for good homes. Even if you want a specific breed there are many breed-specific rescue centres. Our current Yorke-Cross travels everywhere with us and is going to get a new companion when we get home again in March - and he/she will be a rescue.
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TheFrenchConnection - 2019-01-23 9:08 AM

A rescue dog for us everytime...please don't buy a dog when there are so many looking for good homes. Even if you want a specific breed there are many breed-specific rescue centres. Our current Yorke-Cross travels everywhere with us and is going to get a new companion when we get home again in March - and he/she will be a rescue.


Agreed.......Our current rescue is Spanish and came with a Spanish passport provided by the rescue centre so no Brexit problems for her .......

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A rescue dog for us everytime...please don't buy a dog when there are so many looking for good homes. Even if you want a specific breed there are many breed-specific rescue centres. Our current Yorke-Cross travels everywhere with us and is going to get a new companion when we get home again in March - and he/she will be a rescue.

Thank you for that response. A puppy is a must for us as I want the dog to be happy about riding in a basket on our e-bikes and I don't believe this would be terribly easy for an older dog to feel comfortable with. I guess we must all make decisions based on our own needs and how happy any dog might be with our life style. We'll have our dog chipped in Spain in addition to the UK chip. You must be really excited about the prospect of getting your new rescue dog when you get home....alll the best with that.
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We lost our little Jack Russel bitch 2 1/2 years ago, so 3 months after we bought a small Cockerpoo at 8 weeks old.
I hadn’t house trained a puppy for a long time, we bought the normal training pads and someone told me about dog training bells.
I bought one off eBay and you hang it over the door handle and every time you take the puppy outside you give the bell a shake.
After a few days we were watching the tv and I said to Pat my wife I’m sure I’ve just heard the bell ring and when I looked our Roxy was sitting by the back door, anyway after this episode she rung the bell every time she wanted to go out and as she got older she rung the bell for devilment.
Our Roxy was toilet trained within 2 weeks and she’s a fantastic small breed of Cockerpoo.
Have a look on EBay for dog training bells as they’re well worth it.

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HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-23 1:41 PM
TheFrenchConnection - 2019-01-23 9:08 AMA rescue dog for us everytime...please don't buy a dog when there are so many looking for good homes. Even if you want a specific breed there are many breed-specific rescue centres. Our current Yorke-Cross travels everywhere with us and is going to get a new companion when we get home again in March - and he/she will be a rescue.
Thank you for that response. A puppy is a must for us as I want the dog to be happy about riding in a basket on our e-bikes and I don't believe this would be terribly easy for an older dog to feel comfortable with. I guess we must all make decisions based on our own needs and how happy any dog might be with our life style. We'll have our dog chipped in Spain in addition to the UK chip. You must be really excited about the prospect of getting your new rescue dog when you get home....alll the best with that.
From our own experiences you will also need to factor in timescales for the pet passport.
After 13 weeks you will need to have your dog (puppy), given a rabies injection, then a wait of 5 -7 days to go back and have a blood test, to ensure that the puppy has built up its immune system.  Then a wait of 30 days before you can take your dog abroad. Prior to this it will also need a tapeworm injection, but this must be between 1 to 5 days prior to travelling.
On return to the uk, provided the rabies injection is still valid, then another tapeworm injection is required, again between 1 to 5 days before you travel back to the UK.
All this information must be recorded in the pet passport
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It is very interesting, reading the comments on this subject. Spookily, our little dog is called Harvey and he is a Spanish small rescue dog, with a Spanish chip.and passport. Also, we actually bought our first motorhome for him, as travelling back and forward to Spain in the car, and finding decent dog friendly hotels became a problem. We have now upgraded to a bigger van, and Harvey is a very spoilt dog!!

As The dreaded Brexit is still looming, and we don't know what will be happening after or if we leave, I would seriously consider trying to find your little poodle from a breeder in Spain, should one exist, If we then leave the EU your dog will still be able to travel freely, The reported restrictions for pet travel, especially if we leave without a deal, are very restrictive (but not impossible) for pets with a UK chip and passport. Add to that, vets fees and treatments are cheaper in Spain so it is well worth considering.

Harvey loves his motorhome and has been travelling without problems for six years now. We haven't overcome the problem of bikes etc. Harvey is a small cairn type terrier and travels well. I am considering a motorbike now, but need to find a suitable dog carrier before we buy!!!

Are you resident in Spain, or like us, just travel back and forth?

Best of luck, I hope you will enjoy your little dog and travels.

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In contrast whit French, Spain is not a dog loving country. Spare me the details. i do not even entry the border.
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