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userBulletguy
Posted: 19 February 2019 6:02 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 2:35 PM

I'm afraid until it directly impacts on those individuals lives they won't ever accept they got it wrong. When a father was asked why he'd voted Brexit with a son who worked at Airbus, he replied, "so what....i voted for what i want, not for him", you realise how selfish some people are. The father of course was a retired pensioner.



It was ever thus ...........The majority votes for what is best for them .............

So using the same example......you'd vote your own family member out of a job?


Seeing as they're all self employed I cant see how I could .........

Emboldened the words to make it easier for you to understand what i asked you. Try again.


Yep ...........

So you'd willingly put a member of your own family out of work just to get what you want.

Staggering.


Yep.......we all voted for what's best for the country.........we're not selfish like you Remoaners .....

Actually you just said you'd willingly vote to put one of your family members out of work to get what you wanted for yourself. If that's not being selfish i don't what is. You say you "voted for what's best for the country" when all around we've seen nothing but businesses leaving UK to relocate where they can continue successfully and thousands of folk being thrown out of work. And you believe this is what's "best for the country"?


So how many of the 1.9 million UK businesses are leaving the UK COMPLETELY? .........and those who are just relocating a few staff don't count ...........

Give us the names to back up your assertion ..........

But you don't even care in putting one of your own family members out of a job.....so why would you care anything about any UK businesses?


So that's not a very long list then? ......

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.
userpelmetman
Posted: 19 February 2019 6:09 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 6:02 PM

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.


I've looked.........and I cant find any that are relocating completely because of Brexit? ........

There's a few that are sensible moving their European HQ.........to guess where.....Europe ........

So come on Bullet name names?.........BTW dont bother with Honda as that excuse already been shot down in flames ........

userBulletguy
Posted: 19 February 2019 6:49 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 6:02 PM

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.


I've looked.........and I cant find any because i don't want to and don't care anyway ........

Fixed that for you.
userpelmetman
Posted: 19 February 2019 6:52 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 6:02 PM

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.


I've looked.........and I cant find any because they don't exist ........

I've lost the argument


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Edited by pelmetman 2019-02-19 6:53 PM
userteflon2
Posted: 19 February 2019 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 
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teflon2 - 2019-02-18 6:58 PM

Paranoid or not you seem to have dropped the we were not lied to comment. As I said Brian the information we were fed was meant to deceive and like a fool I was one who was deceived. I've 40+ years to watch where the EU is going but I didn't need that it was obvious within the 1st few that the only countries to benefit were to be the mainland Europe ones Ask yourself why did Greenland leave the EU in 1985 if not to protect their fish stocks from over-fishing by the mainland EU countries ? Now we need to follow them and regain our sovereignty. Just look all EU associated countries are now called states.


Greenland has 50,000 inhabitants and fishing contributes to 50% of economy. The UK fishing industry employs 24,000 people and the fishing and fish processing industries accounted for 0.12% of the all UK economic output.

How many people do you think were (past tense) employed in car manufacturing in the UK and what % of GDP?





So by your own comment it's OK for the EU to almost ruin the economy of a small island to satisfy the destructive fish quotas given to the EU mainland fishing fleets, you obviously like bully's. By the way their leave vote was 52% ring any bells.

Edited by teflon2 2019-02-19 7:13 PM
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 19 February 2019 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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pelmetman - 2019-02-19 3:01 PM...………..
1 Brexit has nothing to do with International businesses getting ready for a recession and restructuring .........
2 It's just provided them with a useful whipping post ........
3 Do you actually think canceling Brexit will make a blind bit of difference??? .........

1 It does, but you refuse to see it. What the international businesses are seeing is that when the recession comes, Britain will be worse affected as a result of Brexit than other countries, and so will take longer to recover - especially if we Brexit with no deal. But look at how many are relocating into mainland Europe. How does that equate to them seeing the decline of Europe and the renaissance of the UK that you so love opining on?

2 So consider, why do they want that whipping post? See last sentence above!

3 Difference to what? To the damage that has already been done (which you seem to think advantageous): no, those jobs have gone. Too late. To the damage yet to be done, yes, by minimising the outflow and so the damage.


1......Que?........Seeing as the UK is doing better than much of the EU in spite of Brexit ........

2......They want a whipping post because it sounds better than telling staff that they're getting the sack because some bloke in Slovakia will work for peanuts and their government has offered them millions to move .........

3.......The damage you refer to was going to happen as soon as governments starting blaming diesels for global warming ........

1 That is not what they are looking at. That is what has already happened. They are planning, so looking forward. It is what they expect to happen.
2 That may be what you think, but that is in your imagination.
3 To some extent yes, but the Brexit uncertainty and costs will make the UK a less attractive place to be.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 19 February 2019 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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pelmetman - 2019-02-19 4:07 PM...............….So I dont need to get real.......reality is in my DNA ..........

Except where Brexit is concerned!
userBulletguy
Posted: 19 February 2019 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: the demise of democracy in the United Kingdom
 


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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 6:02 PM

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.


I've looked.........and I cant find any because i don't want to and i don't care. ........
...........


It's about time you began taking matters more seriously. I imagine there's more than a few British immigrants in Spain who would wipe that silly grin off your gob......permanently.

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-02-19 7:43 PM
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Posted: 19 February 2019 7:53 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 6:02 PM

You've got a computer, you know how to use google so get searching. There's plenty listed but you won't look because you don't give a damn.......not even about putting one of your own family out of a job.


I've looked.........and I cant find any because i don't want to and i don't care. ........
...........


It's about time you began taking matters more seriously. I imagine there's more than a few British immigrants in Spain who would wipe that silly grin off your gob......permanently.

Dont think talk of violence towards David makes your point more valid ... Given your dodgy history on here regarding bunny boiler stuff if I was David I might think about informing the local police about personal safety
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Posted: 19 February 2019 7:56 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 7:30 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-19 4:02 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 3:53 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-19 3:01 PM...………..
1 Brexit has nothing to do with International businesses getting ready for a recession and restructuring .........
2 It's just provided them with a useful whipping post ........
3 Do you actually think canceling Brexit will make a blind bit of difference??? .........

1 It does, but you refuse to see it. What the international businesses are seeing is that when the recession comes, Britain will be worse affected as a result of Brexit than other countries, and so will take longer to recover - especially if we Brexit with no deal. But look at how many are relocating into mainland Europe. How does that equate to them seeing the decline of Europe and the renaissance of the UK that you so love opining on?

2 So consider, why do they want that whipping post? See last sentence above!

3 Difference to what? To the damage that has already been done (which you seem to think advantageous): no, those jobs have gone. Too late. To the damage yet to be done, yes, by minimising the outflow and so the damage.


1......Que?........Seeing as the UK is doing better than much of the EU in spite of Brexit ........

2......They want a whipping post because it sounds better than telling staff that they're getting the sack because some bloke in Slovakia will work for peanuts and their government has offered them millions to move .........

3.......The damage you refer to was going to happen as soon as governments starting blaming diesels for global warming ........

1 That is not what they are looking at. That is what has already happened. They are planning, so looking forward. It is what they expect to happen.
2 That may be what you think, but that is in your imagination.
3 To some extent yes, but the Brexit uncertainty and costs will make the UK a less attractive place to be.


1.....I expect the UK to flourish.......

2.....Perhaps you know which companies are going to relocate to the EU because of Brexit?......Or are they in your imagination?

3....So Honda closing their factory in Turkey is due to Brexit? .........So what about the one they're closing in Japan? ..........

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Posted: 19 February 2019 7:58 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-19 7:40 PM
I imagine there's more than a few British immigrants in Spain who would wipe that silly grin off your gob......


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userBrian Kirby
Posted: 20 February 2019 8:03 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-19 7:56 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 7:30 PM
pelmetman - 2019-02-19 4:02 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 3:53 PM
pelmetman - 2019-02-19 3:01 PM...………..
1 Brexit has nothing to do with International businesses getting ready for a recession and restructuring .........
2 It's just provided them with a useful whipping post ........
3 Do you actually think canceling Brexit will make a blind bit of difference??? .........

1 It does, but you refuse to see it. What the international businesses are seeing is that when the recession comes, Britain will be worse affected as a result of Brexit than other countries, and so will take longer to recover - especially if we Brexit with no deal. But look at how many are relocating into mainland Europe. How does that equate to them seeing the decline of Europe and the renaissance of the UK that you so love opining on?
2 So consider, why do they want that whipping post? See last sentence above!
3 Difference to what? To the damage that has already been done (which you seem to think advantageous): no, those jobs have gone. Too late. To the damage yet to be done, yes, by minimising the outflow and so the damage.

1......Que?........Seeing as the UK is doing better than much of the EU in spite of Brexit ........
2......They want a whipping post because it sounds better than telling staff that they're getting the sack because some bloke in Slovakia will work for peanuts and their government has offered them millions to move .........
3.......The damage you refer to was going to happen as soon as governments starting blaming diesels for global warming ........

1 That is not what they are looking at. That is what has already happened. They are planning, so looking forward. It is what they expect to happen.
2 That may be what you think, but that is in your imagination.
3 To some extent yes, but the Brexit uncertainty and costs will make the UK a less attractive place to be.

1.....I expect the UK to flourish.......
2.....Perhaps you know which companies are going to relocate to the EU because of Brexit?......Or are they in your imagination?
3....So Honda closing their factory in Turkey is due to Brexit? .........So what about the one they're closing in Japan? ..........

1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.
userpelmetman
Posted: 20 February 2019 8:26 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 7:30 PM
pelmetman - 2019-02-19 4:02 PM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-19 3:53 PM
pelmetman - 2019-02-19 3:01 PM...………..
1 Brexit has nothing to do with International businesses getting ready for a recession and restructuring .........
2 It's just provided them with a useful whipping post ........
3 Do you actually think canceling Brexit will make a blind bit of difference??? .........

1 It does, but you refuse to see it. What the international businesses are seeing is that when the recession comes, Britain will be worse affected as a result of Brexit than other countries, and so will take longer to recover - especially if we Brexit with no deal. But look at how many are relocating into mainland Europe. How does that equate to them seeing the decline of Europe and the renaissance of the UK that you so love opining on?
2 So consider, why do they want that whipping post? See last sentence above!
3 Difference to what? To the damage that has already been done (which you seem to think advantageous): no, those jobs have gone. Too late. To the damage yet to be done, yes, by minimising the outflow and so the damage.

1......Que?........Seeing as the UK is doing better than much of the EU in spite of Brexit ........
2......They want a whipping post because it sounds better than telling staff that they're getting the sack because some bloke in Slovakia will work for peanuts and their government has offered them millions to move .........
3.......The damage you refer to was going to happen as soon as governments starting blaming diesels for global warming ........

1 That is not what they are looking at. That is what has already happened. They are planning, so looking forward. It is what they expect to happen.
2 That may be what you think, but that is in your imagination.
3 To some extent yes, but the Brexit uncertainty and costs will make the UK a less attractive place to be.

1.....I expect the UK to flourish.......
2.....Perhaps you know which companies are going to relocate to the EU because of Brexit?......Or are they in your imagination?
3....So Honda closing their factory in Turkey is due to Brexit? .........So what about the one they're closing in Japan? ..........

1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.


1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......

2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......

3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........

4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-02-20 8:28 AM
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 20 February 2019 8:42 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-20 8:26 AM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades B-) .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ;-) ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

Edited by Brian Kirby 2019-02-20 8:45 AM
userpelmetman
Posted: 20 February 2019 9:40 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:42 AM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?


1.......Agreed.....

2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........

3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........

4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......
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Posted: 20 February 2019 10:53 AM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-20 9:40 AM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:42 AM
pelmetman - 2019-02-20 8:26 AM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?
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Posted: 20 February 2019 11:08 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 10:53 AM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:42 AM
pelmetman - 2019-02-20 8:26 AM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?

Doesn't look like Pelmet has an answer for you Brian. Over 12 hours and not a peep from him on this.....very strange. I think you confused him after the second line in!
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Posted: 21 February 2019 8:23 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 10:53 AM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:42 AM
pelmetman - 2019-02-20 8:26 AM
Brian Kirby - 2019-02-20 8:03 AM
1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

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1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

Yesterday you were quoting "1.9 million UK companies".....today that's now suddenly gone up to "5.4 million UK companies". Where have these extra 3.5 million "new companies" suddenly sprouted from overnight during the past 24 hours other than in your wild imagination? You've just been plucking any old figures out of thin air and making stuff up as you fumble along!

Brian also said in his post, "I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way."

Putting it bluntly it's very much a case of 'one way traffic'.......unless you have links from credible and reliable sources to disprove that?
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1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

Yesterday you were quoting "1.9 million UK companies".....today that's now suddenly gone up to "5.4 million UK companies". Where have these extra 3.5 million "new companies" suddenly sprouted from overnight during the past 24 hours other than in your wild imagination? You've just been plucking any old figures out of thin air and making stuff up as you fumble along!

Brian also said in his post, "I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way."

Putting it bluntly it's very much a case of 'one way traffic'.......unless you have links from credible and reliable sources to disprove that?


Will a briefing paper from the House of Commons do? ........

"The usual definition of small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) is any business with fewer than 250 employees. There were 5.7 million SMEs in the UK in 2018, which was over 99% of all businesses. Micro-businesses have 0-9 employees.Dec 12, 2018"

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/SN06152%20(1).pdf

The 1.9 million refers to Ltd companies ...........

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2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........
3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........
4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........
Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

2 Fact, or supposition? But in any case irrelevant, because Honda have publicly confirmed they are closing the Swindon factory. Jobs gone!

3 No, but as I said, they are not "my" experts - I haven't commissioned any of the published forecasts. You don't understand forecasting. Forecasts aren't precise predictions, they show probable trends, based on various assumptions.

I'd say that the general direction for the economy, if we Brexit, already seems to be going in line with the forecasts. We are seeing the consequences of large companies not liking what they see, and taking protective decisions.

The consequence is that several thousands of relatively well paid jobs are going elsewhere. That is a loss to the UK economy, and we have not yet left, we do not yet know when we shall leave, and we do yet not know the terms on which we shall carry out nearly half our total foreign trade.

We'll only know for certain how accurate the forecasts were at least five years after we have left, because economies respond slowly to changed circumstances (i.e. Brexit).

It doesn't matter what you, or I, think, or want, a process has been commenced, and it will go where it will. The forecasts said the process was unwise, because it would have adverse impacts on the economy. Those adverse impacts are already coming into view. Others seem likely to follow. The jury is still out.

4 It's no good quoting a large number of small companies - who are unlikely to shift abroad, who are in any case reducing in number, of whom only 45% are even VAT registered, and most of whom do not export. They may employ 60% of those in employment, but the other, larger firms, employ the other 40%. It is that smaller number of large companies, many of whom do export, some in large volume, who are saying they do intend moving, that count - because of the scale of their businesses and employment. You also seem to forget that many of those SMEs work to service the big companies. So, when the big boys go, they take down many small businesses. The Honda closure will cost 3,500 jobs at the Swindon plant, but an estimated further 10,000 UK supply chain jobs. Many of those will be in SMEs.

Export costs.

It is not what we remainers say - it is what the exporters themselves say. You may have sent a few of your products abroad, but these firms import and export thousands of items daily. So, if you'll forgive me, I'll take the word of those who deal with exporting and exporting in large volumes, day in and day out.

Tariff impositions are a self-evident cost and, to the extent that they may apply to trade with EU countries, so will increase cost. But, border checks take time, and time has a cost. Even filling in an additional form, thousands of time over, means extra staff, and that too carries a cost.

If you can't see where those added costs are going to arise, it is because your head is in the sand which, yet again, leaves you inelegantly exposed!
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Export costs.

It is not what we remainers say - it is what the exporters themselves say. You may have sent a few of your products abroad, but these firms import and export thousands of items daily. So, if you'll forgive me, I'll take the word of those who deal with exporting and exporting in large volumes, day in and day out.

Tariff impositions are a self-evident cost and, to the extent that they may apply to trade with EU countries, so will increase cost. But, border checks take time, and time has a cost. Even filling in an additional form, thousands of time over, means extra staff, and that too carries a cost.

If you can't see where those added costs are going to arise, it is because your head is in the sand which, yet again, leaves you inelegantly exposed!


So the vast majority of those firms are importing/exporting the same things day in day out .............

So once they've filled in the form once.......job done ..........



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It is that smaller number of large companies, many of whom do export, some in large volume, who are saying they do intend moving, that count - because of the scale of their businesses and employment.



So name names then? ..........Who's moving to the EU? ..........

It cant be Honda because they're leaving the EU .......

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3 No, but as I said, they are not "my" experts - I haven't commissioned any of the published forecasts. You don't understand forecasting. Forecasts aren't precise predictions, they show probable trends, based on various assumptions.

I'd say that the general direction for the economy, if we Brexit, already seems to be going in line with the forecasts.


They're your Remoaner EXPERTS forecasts ........

In line with forecasts???? ............We supposed to be 2 and a half years into a recession and have 820,000 extra unemployed!.........The complete opposite is true, we're one of the few EU economies who are still growing AND we have 854,000 extra job vacancies ..........

Blimey Brian you really have sold your marbles if you think that equates with "going inline with forecasts" .......

No doubt you think Germany is booming? .........



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They're your Remoaner EXPERTS forecasts ........


Well I'll say one thing Brexiter EXPERTS forecasts, he was right. Their only economic guru is Patrick Minford, a professor at the University of Cardiff and a member of the Economists for Brexit group. In 2012 he told a committee of MPs: "If you remove the protection of the sort that has been given to car industry, you're going to have a change in the situation facing that industry, and you are going to have to run it down. It'll be your interest to do it, just in the same way we ran down the coal industry, or the steel industry. These things happen."
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Export costs.
It is not what we remainers say - it is what the exporters themselves say. You may have sent a few of your products abroad, but these firms import and export thousands of items daily. So, if you'll forgive me, I'll take the word of those who deal with exporting and exporting in large volumes, day in and day out.
Tariff impositions are a self-evident cost and, to the extent that they may apply to trade with EU countries, so will increase cost. But, border checks take time, and time has a cost. Even filling in an additional form, thousands of time over, means extra staff, and that too carries a cost.
If you can't see where those added costs are going to arise, it is because your head is in the sand which, yet again, leaves you inelegantly exposed!

So the vast majority of those firms are importing/exporting the same things day in day out .............
So once they've filled in the form once.......job done ..........

But not according to them.
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3 No, but as I said, they are not "my" experts - I haven't commissioned any of the published forecasts. You don't understand forecasting. Forecasts aren't precise predictions, they show probable trends, based on various assumptions.
I'd say that the general direction for the economy, if we Brexit, already seems to be going in line with the forecasts.

They're your Remoaner EXPERTS forecasts ........
In line with forecasts???? ............We supposed to be 2 and a half years into a recession and have 820,000 extra unemployed!.........The complete opposite is true, we're one of the few EU economies who are still growing AND we have 854,000 extra job vacancies ..........
Blimey Brian you really have sold your marbles if you think that equates with "going inline with forecasts" .......
No doubt you think Germany is booming? .........

What I said above Dave: NOT MY EXPERTS. They are the opinion of majority of credible economists, who happen to have forecast that Brexit will shrink the UK economy. As Pat says above, Minford is one of the few who disagrees, but he is part of a small minority. I'm going with the majority. Call it democratic, if you like!

You are quoting wrongly above, because the forecasts you keep going back to support your claim were based on calculations made before the referendum, relate to the possible effects of Brexit, and we have not yet Brexited.

Plus, the form of Brexit still remains unclear. You can't expect reasonably accurate forecasts when the facts are as stable as a half set jelly!

But, what is clear is that there is no version of half set jelly Brexit that is expected to be beneficial. You then also have to take into account the fact that no-one yet knows what type of future trading relationship we might have with the EU. That ranges between WTO, which is the worst outcome for EU trade, to full membership of the EEA plus customs union, which seems to have minimal economic, but some political, impacts (i.e. BRINO, which Brexiters won't like).

All you can know now is that the economy is likely to be hit by Brexit, and the "harder" the Brexit the bigger the hit, and the closer the following trading relationship the smaller the economic hit.

So, we are not "supposed" to be two and a half years into recession with 820,000 unemployed, because we did not Brexit last June, and because those forecasts have since been modified due to the changed circumstances that have gradually crept into the light since.

You should also bear in mind that the figures you quote on current UK economic performance relate to the UK as a member of the EU, are the result of past decisions, that not all calculations show the UK economy as growing, and that none are forecasts of post Brexit outcome.

It is daft to look at the factual record of past policy if what you want to know is how things may turn out in future. In the words of that finance industry catchphrase: "past performance is no guide to future results". You seem to think it is.
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1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

Yesterday you were quoting "1.9 million UK companies".....today that's now suddenly gone up to "5.4 million UK companies". Where have these extra 3.5 million "new companies" suddenly sprouted from overnight during the past 24 hours other than in your wild imagination? You've just been plucking any old figures out of thin air and making stuff up as you fumble along!

Brian also said in his post, "I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way."

Putting it bluntly it's very much a case of 'one way traffic'.......unless you have links from credible and reliable sources to disprove that?


Will a briefing paper from the House of Commons do? ........

"The usual definition of small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) is any business with fewer than 250 employees. There were 5.7 million SMEs in the UK in 2018, which was over 99% of all businesses. Micro-businesses have 0-9 employees.Dec 12, 2018"

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/SN06152%20(1).pdf

The 1.9 million refers to Ltd companies ...........

Interestingly it also shows only 1.4m are employers which puts your 5.6m figure into a clearer perspective. After all, a pelmet knocker up in some garden shed will hardly be contributing £billions to the economy or need to relocate in order to continue business.

Meantime the 'one way traffic' of companies and businesses leaving UK continues.
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It is daft to look at the factual record of past policy if what you want to know is how things may turn out in future. In the words of that finance industry catchphrase: "past performance is no guide to future results". You seem to think it is.


Seeing as we've out performed the likes of Germany since the vote ............

I'd say your Remoaner experts are very poor guide as to what will happen to UK PLC ........

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1 You may, they don't. With major investments at stake, I'm persuaded by them. There you go.
2 Relevance to whipping post?
3 Not interested in Turkey or Japan, just in jobs and revenue earning production in UK.

1.....I guess we'll have to wait and see......
2.....You have tried to blame the closure of Honda on Brexit.......Honda have denied that and proved the fact by relocating to Japan and not the EU.......
3.....UK employment hasn't been this high since the 70's .......proving that Brexit is the best thing to happen to UK PLC in decades .........
4.....Hows that list of UK companies relocating to the EU coming on? ..........

1 We shall.
2 I haven't made any reference to the Honda plant closing because of Brexit. Having said that, Brexit will hardly have improved its prospects.
3 It proves nothing of the sort. Brexit has not yet happened. It is what happens after Brexit that concerns me.
4 Relevance to whipping post?

1.......Agreed.....
2.......So you think if we cancelled Brexit...... Honda would stay? ..........
3.......Your experts said we would be 2 and a half years into a recession, and have 820,000 extra unemployed by now......But the total opposite has happened...........Is that not proof that your experts are useless??? ..........
4 .......You Remoaners claim hundreds of UK businesses are relocating to the EU......Evidence please? ......

1
2 No, they have decided and have put all their staff on notice, so are very unlikely to reverse that decision.
3 Not "my" experts.
4 I have not made that claim. However, it is evident from the news that firms are re-locating offices, factories, staff etc. Why now?

The only things that are clear at present are that we don't know if Brexit will take place, we don't know what form Brexit will take, we don't know definitively when Brexit will take place, and we don't know what the post-Brexit relationship with the EU might be. Given that degree of uncertainty, few firms will make radical changes in anticipation. Doesn't make sense. Some are positioning themselves to be able to continue trading in the EU whatever form Brexit takes. Others will wait and see, and then decide. But, whichever way it goes, I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way. The other thing I see is reports from firms which trade extensively with the EU saying that all forms of Brexit will add delay and cost to their businesses. I assume they know their day jobs well enough to know what they are talking about. So 2 + 2 = ?


2.......They made that decision back in 2017 when Japan signed the FTA with the EU aka Germany who will be the major beneficiary of tariff free access for their cars to Japan ........

3........Oh I see ..........You've disowned your experts who get it wrong ..........Do you have any that have got it right???? ...........

4........So its another Remoaner myth.........and all that's happening is that a minuscule number of the 5.4 million UK firms are setting up European HQ's in.........Europe ..........

Another myth that has been spouted by you Remoaners is the extra cost of exporting, which has been explained to you by me and others who HAVE EXPORTED..........is another piece of paper that's all ........

Yesterday you were quoting "1.9 million UK companies".....today that's now suddenly gone up to "5.4 million UK companies". Where have these extra 3.5 million "new companies" suddenly sprouted from overnight during the past 24 hours other than in your wild imagination? You've just been plucking any old figures out of thin air and making stuff up as you fumble along!

Brian also said in his post, "I see no reports of increasing numbers of companies and jobs flocking to the UK, only reports of companies and jobs going the other way."

Putting it bluntly it's very much a case of 'one way traffic'.......unless you have links from credible and reliable sources to disprove that?


Will a briefing paper from the House of Commons do? ........

"The usual definition of small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs) is any business with fewer than 250 employees. There were 5.7 million SMEs in the UK in 2018, which was over 99% of all businesses. Micro-businesses have 0-9 employees.Dec 12, 2018"

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/SN06152%20(1).pdf

The 1.9 million refers to Ltd companies ...........

Interestingly it also shows only 1.4m are employers which puts your 5.6m figure into a clearer perspective. After all, a pelmet knocker up in some garden shed will hardly be contributing £billions to the economy or need to relocate in order to continue business.

Meantime the 'one way traffic' of companies and businesses leaving UK continues.


Eh?..........Put your specs on Bullet .......

There are 5.7 MILLION SME's in the UK who employ up to 250 people ........

I was a exporting micro business with fewer than 9 employees .........

So have you got that list of companies relocating? ............

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