candapack Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Have just bought a Hobby motorhome, on a Fiat Ducato, 2.3 litre, 130 bhp It's 5 years old, only done 14,000 miles and hasn't been used at all for almost 2 years. I've had it all checked over, serviced, MOT, new tyres etc., all good. It seems a bit precipitate to change the belt as well, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 According to my handbook (same model) the belt should be inspected at four years and replaced at no more than five. Weighing the damage that can occur if it fails against the relatively modest cost of replacement, I wouldn't take the risk. I may be over cautious, but I have mine changed every four years, on the basis that if Fiat think it needs any attention I'd rather just replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Worth a few hundred to avoid several thousand to replace the engine. They crack and break if old and not used, and it's due anyway. Change the water pump and tensioners at the same time. Preventative maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinM50 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 +1 for Billski. mate of mine is a mechanic and he makes loads of money out of folk "forgetting" to change timing belts. Spend a few quid now to save thousands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candapack Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Unanimous then, best get it booked in. Thanks all for replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin17 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 aandy - According to my handbook (same model) the belt should be inspected at four years and replaced at no more than fiv. My handbook 2014 2.3 130 says replace at 96months. I make that 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deneb Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Colin17 - 2019-10-24 7:50 PM aandy - According to my handbook (same model) the belt should be inspected at four years and replaced at no more than fiv. My handbook 2014 2.3 130 says replace at 96months. I make that 8 years. I think you'll find that although the dot is in the schedule grid is in the 120,000 miles or 96 months column, you also have to note the asterisk in the belt replacement text description to the left of the grid matrix and follow that to the associated text below the grid, which explains that the belt must be changed every 4 years for extreme usage conditions and in any event must be replaced at least every 5 years. So discounting extreme usage, the belt must be changed at 120,000 miles or at least every 5 years, whichever occurs first. I doubt that many motorhomes will have travelled 120,000 miles in less than 5 years, so the 5 year maximum interval will apply. But if a commercial vehicle covered 120,000 miles in 3 years, the belt would be due to be changed at that point according to mileage, sooner than the maximum 5 year interval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin17 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Thanks, I can see it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 After reading this post I phoned Huttons the Fiat in Weston Super Mare for a quote as my van is just over 5 years old. The quote was £1005 for the Belt, Pump, and Tensioners to be changed. They do all my Servicing and the last one was a month ago and no mention of the Belt to be changed. Apparently it had been overlooked, which could of cost me a fortune if it had broke. This seems to be a lot to be paying out every 4 years. Can anyone recommend a garage within 50 to 60 miles of Cardiff where they have had a Cam Belt changed and satisfied with the service, and price please so I can decide which one to go to. I have a 2014 Fiat Ducato 2.3 130hp. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Hi I think you sould read Euroserv's posts on this, if the water pump is not leaking and turns freely there is no need to change. I have never changed a water pump on this engine but have been told it's not a simple job like on the old 2.8d Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 snowy - 2019-10-27 2:11 PM After reading this post I phoned Huttons the Fiat in Weston Super Mare for a quote as my van is just over 5 years old. The quote was £1005 for the Belt, Pump, and Tensioners to be changed. They do all my Servicing and the last one was a month ago and no mention of the Belt to be changed. Apparently it had been overlooked, which could of cost me a fortune if it had broke. This seems to be a lot to be paying out every 4 years. Can anyone recommend a garage within 50 to 60 miles of Cardiff where they have had a Cam Belt changed and satisfied with the service, and price please so I can decide which one to go to. I have a 2014 Fiat Ducato 2.3 130hp. Thanks. That price sounds like a main dealer? However cambelt replacement charges obviously vary from one model to another and i'm not familiar with Fiat. I had a Transit based van and cambelt renewal was every 60k miles and not particularly expensive. A couple of years back in Germany my water pump failed and as it's inside the cam cover, also required new belt. I wasn't in a position to muck around getting the best price and drove to the nearest garage which was VW Audi. They charged me £260 which of course included a new pump as well as belts etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 candapack - 2019-10-23 8:54 AM Have just bought a Hobby motorhome, on a Fiat Ducato, 2.3 litre, 130 bhp It's 5 years old, only done 14,000 miles and hasn't been used at all for almost 2 years. I've had it all checked over, serviced, MOT, new tyres etc., all good. It seems a bit precipitate to change the belt as well, what do you think? I'd definitely have it replaced. At least then you know exactly where you are with the vehicle. Assuming you keep all your receipts, write the mileage on when you've had it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billggski Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Garages charge more for coachbuilts where access is limited. But the whole water pump, belt and tensioners fitting cost me less than £400 two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 snowy - 2019-10-27 2:11 PM After reading this post I phoned Huttons the Fiat in Weston Super Mare for a quote as my van is just over 5 years old. The quote was £1005 for the Belt, Pump, and Tensioners to be changed. They do all my Servicing and the last one was a month ago and no mention of the Belt to be changed. Apparently it had been overlooked, which could of cost me a fortune if it had broke. This seems to be a lot to be paying out every 4 years. Can anyone recommend a garage within 50 to 60 miles of Cardiff where they have had a Cam Belt changed and satisfied with the service, and price please so I can decide which one to go to. I have a 2014 Fiat Ducato 2.3 130hp. Thanks. Fiat Professional (FP) agencies specialise in Fiat light commercial vehicle servicing/repair. Their location can be established through this webpage https://www.fiatprofessional.com/uk/retailers Five FP agencies are listed within 50 miles of Cardiff, so I suggest you contact each and ask for a quote. (As far as I can see, Huttons is a Fiat agent but not a Fiat Professional agent.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candapack Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 Again, thanks to all. There is a local garage which has looked after all my vehicles, including motorhomes, for the last 25 years. I'll take it there to have the work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I have had a phone around regarding prices to change the timing belt, water pump and tensioners and the price seems to be about a third lower if you do not have the Genuine Fiat Parts. They said there was a 2 year warranty on the parts, but fitting was extra, where the Fiat parts included fitting if they were faulty or broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23addy46 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hy Candapack - Agree with all the stated replies - its just to risky not to change the Cam Belt on this engine - had our 2009 (Oct 2008 mfgt !) Bessacarr E695 2.3 Fiat Ducato last changed at approx 19 k miles - along with the full tensioner kit etc. in March 2018 at by Walton Trucks Preston, our local Iveco Trucks dealers (same engine as fitted in the hoards of Iveco Daily vans that get hammered around the roads ) at a total cost of £498 all in - delivered it late afternoon - collected following lunchtime as like many truck dealers they operate a 24 service bay system 'to keep the trucks on the road' ! ! ! So consider searching for a local Iveco Truck Dealer eh ? Good Luck Dave Adams, Leyland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Allen Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 snowy - 2019-10-31 7:48 PM I have had a phone around regarding prices to change the timing belt, water pump and tensioners and the price seems to be about a third lower if you do not have the Genuine Fiat Parts. They said there was a 2 year warranty on the parts, but fitting was extra, where the Fiat parts included fitting if they were faulty or broke Snowy Huttons of W-s-M don't actually do the job, they contract it out to Fleet Auto Centre, Unit 1A, Oldmixon Cres, Weston-super-Mare BS24 9AY Tel: 01934 644665. Fleet are really good and I always have my Autotrail MoTd there as Hutton can't do it because of height restrictions. I booked it in for a brake fluid change and 10 minutes after taking it in to the workshop they came out and told me not to waste my money as they had drawn off a sample and checked it for moisture and said it it didn't need changing. Refreshingly honest. I asked them for a quote for my timing belt change as it will need doing next year and they said it would be about £350-£400 depending on whether I wanted them to use the actual Fiat parts or the identical 3rd party ones made by the same manufacturer. Would be worth giving them a call. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRienza Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I was speaking to my service manager on Tuesday. The dealership is both Hymer and Fiat professional franchised and highly regarded. My van is a 2015 model, but registered January 2016, however the cab could be 2014 (or who knows, earlier). They recommend a belt change at 5 years with an inspection of the water pump before deciding on its replacement. They reckon it could be stretched to 6 years in the case of a low mileage van although we did not specify what constitutes low mileage. Given that the cab could now be 6 years from build, I think we shall have a belt change in January. We passed the 33,000 miles last week. Davy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 When asking for a quote for a particular task, it’s vital that the scope of the task be established. Even a ‘non-genuine’ water pump for a Fiat Ducato is hardly cheap and replacement will incur labour charges, and it will be apparent from a GOOGLE-search that the asking price of a Ducato timing-belt ‘kit’ varies considerably. It should also be obvious that, if it’s just the timing-belt kit that’s involved, the task will be less demanding (and should be quicker) than if the water pump is also replaced. The snag, of course, is that, if a new water pump is checked (but not replaced) when the timing-belt is changed at the 5-year threshold, the water-pump will need to last a further 5 years before it’s examined again. So there is a credible argument for replacing the water pump when the timing-belt is changed even though this will bump up the cost of the parts and the labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I had the timing belt and water pump changed at Hutton's in the week and feel very relieved at having it done, it is expensive but for peace of mind, well worth it. Hutton's did the work at their workshop and didn't, contract it out. I did get some other quotes, but because I spend so much time abroad, if there is a problem with the job done, I can get it repaired at any Fiat place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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