whisturx Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Yet another query for Nick Fisher. I have a 2013 3.0 litre Fiat Frankia. May this year in France had "Check Engine " and into limp mode . Recovered to French garage and hole found in the turbo vacuum pressure pipe. Pipe shortened and reconnected . Test drive up hills with mechanic connected to van ECU. OK to go. 300 miles later in Spain same check engine and limp mode up a very steep climb in the Pyrenees. Limped back into a town. Started up an hour later and power resumed and eventually warning light went off. Drove on up the same hill and on 80 miles to a Spanish Iveco garage. Cleared error message P2563 and said OK. Drove 1,400 miles home with no problems. Had both turbo vacuum pipes replaced as original one blew a hole to play safe. Drove 60 miles to ferry in September and 3 miles into France on a hill.....Check engine and limp mode !! I had bought a Chinese OBD Check / Torque (Lite) so cancelled the error code and managed another 20 miles. Called into a Fiat Commercial garage who seemed to think it was electrical and wanted the van for a week to investigate. Decided to head home after a week away. 5 more Check engine and limp modes back to Poole. Used my gizmo to clear the error message every time and back to full power for a while ! Then 60 miles back using high revs and low gear and no problems. Fiat / Daf Commercial garage replaced the boost solenoid in the Dayco B460 Box but check engine light came back on again.They had no facility to lift a 5 tonne van so paid £400 for investigation !!!!!!!! Van now in Poole with a motorhome Fiat specialist under further investigation . Anybody else had this problem ?? French thought it was an electrical sensor although that's what Google Translate said !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weldted Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 We had similar intermittent problem if drove economically fine, if needed that extra power such as overtaking or pulling hard uphill fault occurred. Went on for a while all be it Boxer 130 engine. In Peugot garage in France for two days and €400 changed some sensors four miles from garage came on again. Reset drove 400 miles no problem then happened again. Local non dealer garage had the van for a day found the plug at the end of the common rail had a bit of corrosion bit wd40 and cleaned, 6000 miles later never happened again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whisturx Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 Thanks for replying. Still think it is turbo related. Although with Fiat / Daf Commercial garage's attitude was take it to another garage with a hoist and order a new turbo approx. £ 2000 plus labour !! The garage in Poole is close to a turbo refurb unit so hoping that if they cannot fix it , they will have a reconditioned turbo to fit. The van has been laid up from October to end of December ,used once at New Year (150 miles) and used once for 250 miles in February . Then due to family commitments , it was stationary till early May when we left for France. Whether the long lay ups have caused the problems ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whisturx Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 Could be this after a long lay up ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euroserv Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hello, The code p2563 is generally for a fault with the turbo boost control solenoid position sensor. Strange thing is that i have never had to go looking for this device and am not even sure that there is one! Fault codes appear because something is not right. It could be an erroneous signal or that other sensors are taking measurements that seem odd and the ECU decides that there must be a fault somewhere upstream and assumes there is a fault with a particular device. It could also be that the power to or earth connection to a device or sensor is at fault; and this happens far more often than an actually faulty part. My advice is that you should get the electrical wiring checked over. Every wire and connection from the ECU through the engine management loom across the top of the engine. There could easily be a wire that is bent through too sharp an angle and rubbing on some other wire or a poor connection at a plug but before you do any of that, get the air filter opened up and check the container, filter and air flow meter checked for signs of mice. After being parked up for a long time, this becomes a real possibility and can cause havoc. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whisturx Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Thanks Nick. I have had the turbo boost control solenoid replaced by Imperial Commercials near here. But your mention of mice is interesting as my first check engine / limp mode in May in France appeared to be a hole in the turbo pressure pipe within an inch of the Dayco B460 boost solenoid box . I assumed it was a faulty pipe ! I had both pipes renewed but had more problems in September back in France. I am about to ring Essanjay in Poole to see what is happening and will mention your suggestion if they have still not found the problem. Thanks again . Will let you know the outcome . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whisturx Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 No mice thank goodness !! But the turbo was full of gunge so was removed and sent to a turbo specialist who has repaired it and then the garage refitted it. Problem put down to lack of use and French supermarket diesel. So will be using a diesel additive in future Any recommendations ? At least "Check Engine "light is not coming on and limp mode. But having paid the bill "Check Wallet " has appeared and I have gone into limp mode !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsbc Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Before buying fiat turbos check the Garret site I had a ml270 merc,blew the turbo,mercedes wanted a fortune for a new one I found a company in the uk who sold Garret turbos they sent the wrong one but replaced it and payed for the return freight from NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 whisturx - 2018-10-25 4:01 PM No mice thank goodness !! But the turbo was full of gunge so was removed and sent to a turbo specialist who has repaired it and then the garage refitted it. Problem put down to lack of use and French supermarket diesel. So will be using a diesel additive in future Any recommendations ? At least "Check Engine "light is not coming on and limp mode. But having paid the bill "Check Wallet " has appeared and I have gone into limp mode !! In mid-2011 the 3.0litre “160” motor fitted to Ducato was changed to the “180 Multijet Power” specification that includes a variable-geometry turbocharger (VGT) that allows the flow of exhaust gasses to be varied across the turbine wheel. VGTs are wonderful things, but one of their major drawbacks has proven to be sticking of the movable vanes that regulate the exhaust-gas flow. To quote from an on-line article "Stuck vanes are one of the biggest problems experienced with VGT turbochargers. When soot, carbon, rust and other forms of corrosion build up in the turbine housing, it can cause the vanes that direct exhaust gasses across the turbine wheel to seize up. Depending on which position the vanes get stuck in, there will either be great response down low but no top-end power, or vice-versa. Light-throttle and easy, steady-state driving typically causes vanes to stick, but any higher mileage turbo (100,000-plus miles) is at risk of vane seizure. Some turbos can recover if driven hard, but more often than not the turbo either needs to be removed and cleaned, or completely replaced. Problem: Stuck vanes Symptom: No response at low rpm or extreme response at low rpm (depending on which position the vanes become stuck in) Reason: Lack of exercise (lack of “ Wide Open Throttle” or lack or spirited driving), steady-state driving and/or extensive idling (conducive to excessive soot/carbon buildup), rust and corrosion accumulation, or foreign debris damage. Fix: Clean exhaust side of turbo, replace turbo, or switch to a fixed geometry unit.” My 2005 Hobby Ford Transit-based motorhome had a 2.0litre 125 TDCi powerplant with a Garret VGT. In 2009 the motor began to exhibit a serious lack of power and inspection revealed that the VGT’s vanes had stuck. (This motor was also fitted to the Ford Mondeo and Jaguar X-Type, and the stuck-vane problem was well known.) The turbocharger was removed from the Hobby’s motor and sent to Turbo Technics for attention: https://www.turbotechnics.com/ The cost of the Turbo Technics work was around £250, but the labour-charge for removing and refitting the turbocharger was a further £500. During the next 5 years - until the Hobby was sold in 2014 - the problem did not reoccur. Regarding using additives, this 2013 article might help http://www.oilem.com/turbo-cleaning-and-turbo-cleaners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whisturx Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 Thanks Derek. Explains my problem to a T. I will get some of the cleaner recommended as the Max version should not be necessary after my expensive turbo de-bung ! Will have to alter my style of driving too, after the advice to "give it some welly " through the gears. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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