Fluffy2 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Hi everybody. New here so a big HELLO.. I've just brought an armrest for my fiat motorhome any ideas what bolts secure the item. I think it could be m3 bolts. Any help would be grateful. Thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanb Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Hi Fluffy, I think that you have got your sizes wrong. An M3 bolt is 3mm diameter. The bolts securing the arm rests in my PVC, and which I have never had cause to remove, only re-tighten, have 13mm hex heads. This is consistent with DIN standard M8 bolts. There is however that Fiat have used M8 fine thread bolts, which are used on some under body covers etc. For more details of bolt sizes see attached table. AlanMetric Spanner Sises & Thread Pitches.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Welcome to the Out&AboutLive forums, Trevor. It might be useful to have more details of your Fiat motorhome. Presumably it is based on a Fiat Ducato, but when it was built would be worth knowing and (if appropriate) the motorhome manufacturer's name and the exact model. I removed the pair of armrests from each of the cab's 'captain's chairs' of my 2015 Fiat Ducato-based Rapido motorhome as soon as I took delivery of the vehicle, putting the armrests back just prior to selling it last year. If I remember correctly, the two bolts that went through the mounting-bracket of each armrest had Torx heads and - as Alan has touched on - the bolts were quite hefty (and bloody tight to undo!) They might well have been M8 size, but I can't check... This 2019 forum discussion may be of interest - though it doesn't mention the bolt size. https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Arm-rests-on-cab-seats/51118/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 The 1st attached photo shows a (used) armrest advertised as being suitable for a Ducato/Boxer/Relay. The two bolts ('screws') shown have conventional hexagon heads, so the armrest may have come from a pre-2006 vehicle. The Fiat Part Number for the screws used for the armrests of later Ducatos is 60911354 and (as I said earlier) I think my 2015 Rapido motorhome's twin-armrest seats used screws like the one shown in the 2nd attached photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Derek Uzzell - 2022-04-22 6:31 PM I removed the pair of armrests from each of the cab's 'captain's chairs' of my 2015 Fiat Ducato-based Rapido motorhome as soon as I took delivery of the vehicle, putting the armrests back just prior to selling it last year. If I remember correctly, the two bolts that went through the mounting-bracket of each armrest had Torx heads and - as Alan has touched on - the bolts were quite hefty (and bloody tight to undo!) Me too, nice idea in theory but in practise we found the armrests to be useless when driving and a monumental obstruction to getting in and out between the seats so we too took 'em out of every van ever owned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie63 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I would love at least one for my 2002 swift on Ducato, trouble is I can't feel throuth the fabric to locate the holes! Those universal one's may not align with the holes and need the seat drilled, And you can't remove the back panel like on most seats. If anyone has a suitable rest to sell for drivers side left please let me know? Thanks ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Ronnie I suggest you contact for advice the company advertised here https://www.worldofmotorhomes.com/inside-your-van/cab-area/wyvern-seating-tony-sugg/ (The email address is vmsugg@aol.com ) This 2006 forum thread discussed adding armrests to the cab seats of older Boxer/Ducato-based motorhomes and mentioned Wyevern Seating https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Ducato-Armrests/5419/ As you may be aware, it's possible to obtain armrest mounting 'kits' (example here) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Ducato-Armrests/5419/ but (obviously) fitting the kit would involve the seat's upholstery being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laimeduck Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Derek Uzzell - 2022-04-24 9:01 AM Ronnie I suggest you contact for advice the company advertised here https://www.worldofmotorhomes.com/inside-your-van/cab-area/wyvern-seating-tony-sugg/ (The email address is vmsugg@aol.com ) I can thoroughly recommend Tony and Wyvern seating. I visited him a few years ago at his house/workshop to have 2 lowered captains seat bases fitted to my Benimar. He is a true gentleman and knows his stuff. Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie63 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Derek Uzzell - 2022-04-24 9:01 AM Ronnie I suggest you contact for advice the company advertised here https://www.worldofmotorhomes.com/inside-your-van/cab-area/wyvern-seating-tony-sugg/ (The email address is vmsugg@aol.com ) This 2006 forum thread discussed adding armrests to the cab seats of older Boxer/Ducato-based motorhomes and mentioned Wyevern Seating https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Ducato-Armrests/5419/ As you may be aware, it's possible to obtain armrest mounting 'kits' (example here) https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Ducato-Armrests/5419/ but (obviously) fitting the kit would involve the seat's upholstery being removed. Hi Derek, thanks, not sure I want it that much to strip the seat down! The drivers seat fabric is not great, that would send me on anther mission to try finding a match to the material lol Thanks Ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John52 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Tracker - 2022-04-23 4:32 PM Derek Uzzell - 2022-04-22 6:31 PM I removed the pair of armrests from each of the cab's 'captain's chairs' of my 2015 Fiat Ducato-based Rapido motorhome as soon as I took delivery of the vehicle, putting the armrests back just prior to selling it last year. If I remember correctly, the two bolts that went through the mounting-bracket of each armrest had Torx heads and - as Alan has touched on - the bolts were quite hefty (and bloody tight to undo!) Me too, nice idea in theory but in practise we found the armrests to be useless when driving and a monumental obstruction to getting in and out between the seats so we too took 'em out of every van ever owned! Same here Mind you, I'm a fat fecker as well The OP might be able to get through with the armrests in place :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witzend Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 And with out the arm rests if your buying seat covers you can save your self a few £'s I found that covers for a Fiesta fit a Ducato perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Useful information. I’ve attached photos of a Fiesta Mk 7 seat and of a Ducato X250 seat, and they certainly look pretty similar. Can you say, please, which Fiesta seat covers (ie. which Fiesta years or Marks) would fit which Ducatos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeco Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Tracker - 2022-04-23 2:32 PM Derek Uzzell - 2022-04-22 6:31 PM I removed the pair of armrests from each of the cab's 'captain's chairs' of my 2015 Fiat Ducato-based Rapido motorhome as soon as I took delivery of the vehicle, putting the armrests back just prior to selling it last year. If I remember correctly, the two bolts that went through the mounting-bracket of each armrest had Torx heads and - as Alan has touched on - the bolts were quite hefty (and bloody tight to undo!) Me too, nice idea in theory but in practise we found the armrests to be useless when driving and a monumental obstruction to getting in and out between the seats so we too took 'em out of every van ever owned! It is interesting that all have different tastes in equipment. I find the "bus driver" position of my Ducato is perfect for my size/shape. I also consider the arm rests to be a real asset & add to the comfort while driving. As Rich used to say "no rights or wrongs just different" cheers, PS slightly off topic sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Geeco - 2022-04-27 8:15 AM It is interesting that all have different tastes in equipment. I find the "bus driver" position of my Ducato is perfect for my size/shape. I also consider the arm rests to be a real asset & add to the comfort while driving. As Rich used to say "no rights or wrongs just different" cheers, PS slightly off topic sorry. You're all odd buggers in Oz Gary!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertslad Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Hope this helps, the fixings are Torq, and located as per photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertslad Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Sorry, photos not appeared on my iPad yet, I’ll post as soon as I can. Thanks for giving me a reason to open the van up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertslad Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 Fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Based on earlier comments in this thread, the bolts used for fixing armrests to Ducato seats may have ordinary hex heads or Torx heads (see photos attached to my posting of 23 April 2022 7:45 AM above) depending on when the vehicle was built. The original poster (Fluffy2) gave no details of his motorhome (other than it being Fiat-based), so it has not been possible to provide specific advice on the bolt size or type. And - as Fluffy2 has not logged on since 22 April - it's likely that this thread has run its course. Regarding attaching photos to postings, there's guidance in the "Uploading a file or image" posting in this Forums FAQ thread https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Code-of-Conduct-and-User-Guidelines/Forum-User-Guide/Forums-FAQ/3930/ As emphasised there, it's vital that the size of the file/image that is to be attached to a posting does not exceed 100 kilobytes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertslad Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Last try; My bolts are 13mmTorq, and locating the recess for the arms is pretty easy. Images I'm trying to send are 33Kb Looks like perseverence and using my iMac has been successful; but multiple images not so. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Multiple images cannot be attached to a posting with a single action. As advised in the forum's FAQ section I mentioned above (If you want to attach several files, repeat actions 4 and 5 as necessary, and then click on "Return to the thread”.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertslad Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Thank you Derek; your patience is admirable; I am looking forward to the new software that I understand is on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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