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userpike
Posted: 1 May 2019 2:51 PM
Subject: Ducato wing mirrors
 
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Hi - my drivers side wing mirror folds back against the van at anything above 40mph (Fiat Ducato, long arm mirror).. Having looked into this, it looks like quite a few people have had this problem so I took the arm apart and part of the mechanism has corroded + broken and can't be fixed. Duct taping it into position is my temporary solution..

I have bought a replacement on ebay and when extended + adjusted all the way 'out' I can only see the road in about a third of the mirror - the side of my van is mostly in view, which is less than ideal.

I sent that mirror back and ordered another one from a different vendor - same problem. The only way to see the road properly will be to duct tape it into a different position - exactly what I am having to do with my old mirror, so a bit of a pointless exercise so far..

I am going to send the second replacement back - has anyone successfully replaced a ducato wing mirror (long arm) without paying £££ for an official Fiat one / has anyone else experienced this with a replacement - not being able to see the road and if so where did you source a replacement from?

Thanks
userKeithl
Posted: 1 May 2019 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Ducato wing mirrors
 


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Hi,

I can't help with obtaining a suitable replacement but can explain why you are getting the incorrect view with the replacements you have tried, they are designed for Left Hand Drive vehicles!

If you had sat in your passenger seat you would have had a perfect view down the right hand side of your MH! Simple really!

So the question to ask any further vendors is "...are they suitable for RHD vehicles?"

PS It may help others answer your question if you gave the age of your Ducato. Do you still have the 2013?

Keith.
userpike
Posted: 1 May 2019 3:58 PM
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Yes 2013 model.

I guess that makes sense about LHD.
userMickt
Posted: 1 May 2019 4:14 PM
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Look up www.wingmirrorman.co.uk
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Posted: 1 May 2019 4:39 PM
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I had a smashed drivers mirror on my Fiat van, the mirror body was smashed also by a passing vehicle which did not stop, I got a replacement mirror assembly complete off E Bay [ Right hand ] and also a Left hand to match, quite cheap really ,about £120 for the pair heated and electrically adjustable, easy to fit but had to strip out the doors interior trim to do the job.The mirror assemblies were made in Poland, all was fine for about 2 months ,then I noticed that the rubber arm protectors on both mirrors was breaking up,and falling apart, I complained to E Bay and received a full refund but now I have both mirrors with no arm covers at all,looks awful but I cannot source new rubbers anywhere so far , and the wiring for the mirrors would have to be cut if I were to just remove the mirrors from the arms to slide new rubbers on them were I able to get the rubber covers in the first place or I would have to remove the complete assemblies from the van and start from there, so beware where you get your mirrors from,
usertrail66
Posted: 2 May 2019 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Ducato wing mirrors and other Fiat spares
 
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Re your post regarding Ducato Wing mirrors and problems purchasing good replacements etc. I would try 'Shop4Parts.Co.Uk' they are a first class on line company specialising in Fiat genuine parts at significantly lower cost than a Fiat dealer. I have used this company many times to supply Ducato Fiat parts and service items including Petronas Selenia Oil and would highly recommend.
user747
Posted: 2 May 2019 1:10 PM
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pike - 2019-05-01 2:51 PM

Hi - my drivers side wing mirror folds back against the van at anything above 40mph (Fiat Ducato, long arm mirror).. Having looked into this, it looks like quite a few people have had this problem so I took the arm apart and part of the mechanism has corroded + broken and can't be fixed. Duct taping it into position is my temporary solution..

I have bought a replacement on ebay and when extended + adjusted all the way 'out' I can only see the road in about a third of the mirror - the side of my van is mostly in view, which is less than ideal.

I sent that mirror back and ordered another one from a different vendor - same problem. The only way to see the road properly will be to duct tape it into a different position - exactly what I am having to do with my old mirror, so a bit of a pointless exercise so far..

I am going to send the second replacement back - has anyone successfully replaced a ducato wing mirror (long arm) without paying £££ for an official Fiat one / has anyone else experienced this with a replacement - not being able to see the road and if so where did you source a replacement from?

Thanks


What year is your vehicle?

Before 2007 it was not that rare for the incorrect mirrors to be fitted in the Sevel Factory.

My first van, an Elddis on a Peugeot, had the wrong UK nearside mirror arms fitted. It was actually a Drivers mirror for a LHD vehicle. I had to take the van back to the Garage that did the original vehicle PDI checks and get them to sort it out (a round trip of nearly 200 miles)

A later van of mine, a Burstner 747, had the wrong mirror arms on the UK drivers side. I could adjust the mirror enough to get a reasonable view so I just left it at that.

You might be surprised at how many mirror arm variants there are available.
userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 2 May 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Ducato wing mirrors
 


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747 - 2019-05-02 1:10 PM

What year is your vehicle?



I’ve browsed through pike’s earlier postings but, other than the motorhome being 2013 and Fiat Ducato-based, no details of its make and model were given.

There’s no doubt that, if mirrors appropriate for a LHD motorhome are fitted to a RHD equivalent, this could well badly affect the rearwards view that’s available. It’s odd though that ordering a driver’s-side mirror for (presumably) a RHD Ducato from TWO (presumably) UK on-line vendors might result in a mirror appropriate for a LHD Ducato being provided in both instances.
userpike
Posted: 2 May 2019 2:52 PM
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Despite the two mirrors coming from different sellers on ebay, and being different prices they are exactly the same product with the same serial number stamped on them..

The ebay listing claims they are for RHD vehicles but are clearly not..
userKeithl
Posted: 2 May 2019 2:55 PM
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Are you sure they did not have a second detent further out from the door?

The mirrors on my Sprinter have a first detent approx 60° from the door (where the passenger side mirror works best) and then a second detent at approx 90° used for the drivers side.

Keith.
userpike
Posted: 2 May 2019 3:52 PM
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do you mean when they lock in place as you fold them in/out?
If so then no - these particular mirrors only had the one position for driving in - they could be manually pushed out further but there is no 'lock' so will just fold back when driving (the same as my existing broken mirror)
userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 3 May 2019 8:22 AM
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I notice that Coastal Motorhomes advertises two right-side long-arm mirror variants - a ‘genuine’ Fiat version

https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fiat-ducato-peugeot-boxer-citroen-relay-right-long-arm-mirror-temp-sender-250-oe.html

and a less expensive ‘pattern’ product

https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fiat-ducato-peugeot-boxer-citroen-relay-o-s-long-arm-mirror-temp-sender-250.html

Both are said to be suitable for RHD Ducato X250 vehicles.

userpike
Posted: 3 May 2019 12:04 PM
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Posted: 4 May 2019 3:36 PM
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Hi Pike,
I own a 2016 Hymer Exsis 588i (LHD) built on Ducato chassis, I had a passing tractor completely remove my right-hand side wing mirror without stopping, the replacement quote from a Hymer Main Dealer was a staggering £900 plus.
After a lot of research, I located the manufacturer in Spain, whilst they would not supply me direct, they pointed me to their UK Dealer, Carlyle Bus and Coach Company, I believe they are based in Blackpool?
I dealt with Keith Obrien (keith.obrien@carlylebusandcoach.com), based on a photograph, Keith ordered the replacement wing mirror from Spain and it was with me within 10 days.
The total cost was around £225.00 and I fitted it within 30 minutes.
I realise your wing mirror is different, but as your Motorhome started life as a Ducato they may well buy their wing mirrors from the same Spanish manufacturer.
At the price I paid, it's worth a try.

Good Luck.
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userwitzend
Posted: 6 May 2019 11:17 AM
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There was a member on Wildcamping web site called Grath that had a set which he had taken off a rhd Hymer and was offering for sale

https://tinyurl.com/y2a7oftq

Edited by witzend 2019-05-06 11:22 AM
userbigjohnthecat
Posted: 8 May 2019 12:18 PM
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I have wedged my Passenger side with a plastic window shim that they use when fitting windows come in all thickness's
Cheers John
userpike
Posted: 21 June 2019 12:43 PM
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Well, I have finally fitted a replacement mirror that works...

The first one from ebay only let me see the side of my van (as someone above suggested, it could have been for a LHD vehicle, although the description said RHD). That was returned for a refund.

The second mirror was again from ebay - a different seller and more expensive than the first but it was the exact same product with the same problem. Returned for a refund.

The third mirror came from Eurocarparts (Nacht branded). It fitted the van and almost let me see behind the van until I tried to use the electric adjuster. Agh it doesn;t work... The temperature sensor worked but not the mirror adjust. That was sent back for a replacement.

The fourth mirror was a direct replacement for the eurocarparts one from above - this time instead of removing my old mirror etc I just connected the electrics and yet again the temperature sensor worked but the electrics were dead. That was sent back for a refund.

The fifth mirror came from Coastalmotorhomes - there were two options: a geniuine fiat product or a slightly cheaper unbranded one. Usually I would opt for the unbranded product but by this time I was totally fed up so spent a little extra on the Fiat unit. I fitted it yesterday and..... it works!

Thanks to Derek Uzzell for providing the link to coastalmotorhomes. Who would have thought a replacement mirror would be so difficult!
userAlanb
Posted: 22 June 2019 12:16 PM
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I had to replace the RHS mirror on my x244 Ducato PVC last October. A bronze coloured SUV? veered sharply towards me at a narrow point on Kirkstone Pass, impacted with the mrror and failed to stop.The mirror was destroyed, remaining dangling on its cable. The force of the impact pushed the mirror into the quarterlight. My wife and myself were showered with glass fragments.

I obtained a replacement mirror from wingmirrorman, which I had to modify slightly to fit. The wiring emerged from the mirror body in the wrong place. I had to file a notch in one of the stiffening ribs at the rear of the mirror base, in order to avoid trapping the wiring against the door. I also had reservations about the quality of the plastic mounting pad, and chose to retain the slightly torn original. Also the original Fiat version was held together by two M6 set screws, whereas on the replacement the screws were only M5 Phillips head. Obviously not as robust. The new mirror does function OK.

Alan

Edited by Alanb 2019-06-22 12:25 PM
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