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They built their own. In a new plant. And AL-Ko Bought Out. And they can configure what they want. The Burstner Elegance 2021 is the first example..But they make it not. It comes from AL-Ko. Clear up this mess please.
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There are informative YouTube videos of the SLC chassis here

 

 

 

and the latter video seems to suggest that Hymer would be manufacturing the SLC chassis that had been developed by Hymer’s own engineers in association with AL-KO.

 

In December 2018, Monique asked about the SLC chassis

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Hymer-super-light-chassis-SLC-/50943/

 

saying that it was not an AL-KO product, though many people (including motorhome dealers) were under the impression that it was.

 

The Burstner brand has been part of the Erwin Hymer Group since 1998 and you mentioned in 2020 that 2021 model-year Burstner Elegance motorhomes would be built on an SLC chassis

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Burstner-Elegance-910-920G-My-2021-/56964/

 

So if the Erwin Hymer Group were responsible for making the SLC chassis, it would not be surprising if Burstner might choose to use it.

 

The SLC chassis was announced to the Press by Hymer in 2017 but I do not think any information was provided about where that chassis would be built. Does AL-KO or the Erwin Hymer Group own the “new plant” where the SLC chassis is made - or is the SLC chassis being manufactured by the Erwin Hymer Group AND by AL-KO?

 

I do not understand what you are getting at. The SLC chassis is obviously a very different design concept from the traditional AL-KO ‘ladder frame’ chassis and I cannot imagine that a motorhome buyer would confuse the two. If the ‘mess’ is to be cleared up, I believe you will need to define what the mess is...

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The traditional AL-KO ladder-frame chassis is not just used for motorhomes - it is used for ‘commercial’ applications as well as ‘leisure’ purposes and is available for Mercedes-Benz and VW base vehicles as well as Citroen/Fiat/Peugeot. There’s also the AL-KO Hybrid Power chassis for Ducato-based motorhomes and light commercial vehicles.

 

I don’t see why the SLC chassis and the AL-KO AMC chassis cannot be succesfully marketed in parallel, with SLC chassis being made by Hymer and the AMC chassis being made by AL-KO.

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Clever said Derek.But spoken to the marketing manager of burstner they want to sell as cheap as possible. And that does not include a time consuming and expensive AMC chassis.Our Elegance is just made for the UK market and some other. Did you have the first astra zeneca shot being my Age?
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Belgium continues with the Astra Zenica vaccin (we are almost the only country in Europe for now) ! It is important to follow up the side effects, but every delay in the vaccination planning will cost human lives ! So I hope to receive an invitation asap !

 

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Hans, both I and my wife have had the Astrazenaca vaccine. My wife had a sore arm for a few days, but for me I have gained the strength, energy and youth of a teenager. In an unanticipated further side-effect we are having a second honeymoon after nearly 40 yrs of marriage. I think you will be just fine.
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Hans - 2021-03-16 7:42 PM

 

...Did you have the first astra zeneca shot being my Age?

No, my wife and I have each had one dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

 

The Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are both being used in the UK, with (as far as I’m aware) no certainity which vaccine a person will receive.

 

The possible side effects of each vaccine are summarised here

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

 

but male sexual rejuvenation is not mentioned for either product.

 

About a week after her vaccination a largish red patch appeared on my wife’s arm where she had been injected, but the patch disappeared after a few days. As even a minor mosquito bite can cause her a significant reaction (redness and swelling) I can’t say I was too surprised and, in any case, it seemed to confirm that the Pfizer vaccine was doing something rather than nothing. No obvious reaction in my case, nor any change in my marital ‘vigour’. After reading Curdle’s posting, perhaps I’ll stop taking my twice-daily Viagra pill to see what happens...

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Great Scott! Derek via his confession of a twice daily top-up of stimulant has perhaps, unwittingly, unravelled the actual cause of 19 EU countries halting their vaccine program with AstraZeneca.

 

"Viagra was originally developed as a drug to fight heart disease -- thought to increase blood flow by opening up blood vessels and prevent blood clots. But researchers have now found that the popular impotence drug may do exactly the opposite -- encouraging blood-clotting cells known as platelets to clump together and form clots. Their study appears in the Jan. 10 issue of the journal Cell.

 

During their research, Xiaoping Du and colleagues discovered that the enzyme that Viagra affects in the body to improve erections -- called cGMP -- may be the cause behind the increase in blood clots. Du is associate professor of pharmacology at the University of Illinois at Chicago College of Medicine.

 

Viagra helps stimulate erections by increasing levels of cGMP -- which is also involved in blood clotting. Therefore, by increasing levels of cGMP, Viagra may actually increase the risk of blood clots, according to the researchers."

 

When the nice volunteer receptionist at the Vaccine centre asks if you are taking any blood thinners, it would not cross your mind to include Viagra consumption. The EU commission should urgently investigate those with blood clots to unravel the real culprit!

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Hans initiated this SLC chassis-related thread (which is a valid subject for the Motorhome Matters forum) and then he digressed on to the COVID-19 vaccine - but discussion about the SLC chassis had probably finished by then.

 

Moving the thread to Chatterbox would cause the SLC discussion to end up on the 'wrong' forum and the comments about the vaccine are clearly comedic. As a forum Moderator (allegedly with no sense of humour) it seemed reasonable for me to answer the personal question Hans asked me.

 

If Keith wants to delete all postings beginning with Hans's last one, I'm happy for him to do this. Or if nobody wants to make additional comments about the SLC chassis perhaps the thread can just grind to a halt now?

 

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OK - I can add something to the SLC chassis subject.

 

This (GOOGLE-translated) January 2020 webpage mentioned that Hymer would be producing its own chassis from 2021

 

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.campingcarlesite.com/camping-car-info/40075-hymer-production-chassis-slc-bad-walsee/&prev=search&pto=aue

 

The original French-language article is here

 

https://www.campingcarlesite.com/camping-car-info/40075-hymer-production-chassis-slc-bad-walsee/

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Thanks Derek, much appreciated. I understand that my response to Hans was inappropriate in the context of the forum general understandings (rules seems a bit strong). Hans was seemingly phlegmatic but I felt his reference to monitoring side effects exhibited a certain understandable uncertainty. British default is to treat a serious subject with humour, in so doing lower the temperature of any nervous fears. Your amusing retort proved the hypothesis (from my point of view) and was thus irresistible. I was absolutely aware that my response to Hans was off-topic, but felt the need to reassure him given the appalling response of others who should know better, other than scaremongering EU jingoism. There is not much technical to discuss when nobody can actually travel in their MH (at least legally). Despite this I shall endeavour, henceforth, to be more circumspect going forward and avoid to "speak the truth as I see it" (cannot be too careful with speech these days) unless it strictly involves motorhome enquiries, Ahem.

 

Hans, what makes the SLC chassis so complex and presumably expensive? More importantly would an aspirant buyer know (or care) about the difference, beyond price?

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The SLC chassis was discussed here in late-2018 (the thread included some photos in my posting of 29 December 2018 7:38 AM)

 

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Hymer-super-light-chassis-SLC-/50943/

 

It was known well before then that the design of the SLC chassis involved collaboration between Hymer and AL-KO

 

https://tinyurl.com/yacklv4v

 

but I don’t think there was any suggestion that Hymer would be manufacturing the SLC chassis in-house. I suspect it was envisaged that the chassis would be built by AL-KO and then supplied to Hymer for attachment to a cab or cowl unit in the same way that the traditional AL-KO ladder-frame chassis had been provided to motorhome builders.

 

The SLC chassis is a light stiff flat-bottomed metal ‘tub’ within which a motorhome’s water tanks/batteries/storage can be housed. The concept is simple enough and hardly novel, but (as far as I’m aware) it had not been used before for motorhome construction. As I understand Hans’s comments, building the SLC chassis in-house and using it selectively (eg. for certain Burstner models) within the Erwin Hymer Group will offer cost (and weight) savings over the AL-KO-made ladder-frame chassis that needs to be supplied to the motorhome builder’s factory and then be grafted on to a cab/cowl unit.

 

Erwin Hymer Group motorhome dealerships can be expected to emphasise the benefits of the SLC chassis, so potential buyers are likely to be aware of it. I think Hans believes it matters that buyers know that there are major differences between a SLC chassis made in a Hymer factor and a ladder-frame AMC chassis made in an AL-KO factory, but I’m not sure how many buyers would care.

 

One possible non-technical plus for the SLC chassis is that a motorhome built on it should be ’two stage’ (eg. Fiat base + SLC chassis/conversion) not ’three stage’ (eg. Fiat base + AL-KO AMC chassis + conversion) so one less warranty to argue over if problems occur.

 

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The SLC chassis was developed by Al-Ko On request by Hymer. And still built by them in the Ettenbeuren plant. See the Nomad Alan Heat Video. He made the best AL-Ko videos ever captured. The idea behind that lighter and 30cm H,was to make it compatible as a E- motorhome. To fit the battery packs. The Thetford Indus Toilet drain system first introduced by burstner goes the same way heading the same direction.
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Hans - 2021-03-18 9:05 PM

 

The SLC chassis was developed by Al-Ko On request by Hymer. And still built by them in the Ettenbeuren plant. See the Nomad Alan Heat Video...

There’s no doubt that AL-KO have been manufacturing SLC chassis for Hymer. There are intersting pictues of the SLC chassis being built at AL-KO’s Ettenbeuren factory about 4 minutes into this 2019 Alan Heath video.

 

 

and (in late-2018) I mentioned here the SLC chassis’s potential for carrying propulsion batteries.

 

Are you saying that the SLC chassis (a Hymer/AL-KO cooperative project) has been built at AL-KO’s Ettenbeuren factory until now and will continue to built there in future? Or that production of the SLC chassis will move to Hymer’s new plant at Bad Waldsee and then stop being made at AL-KO’s Ettenbeuren factory?

 

As the SLC chassis is a Hymer venture I cannot see it being made available to motorhome manufacturers who are not in the Erwin Hymer Group, and building the SLC chassis at two different factories would not make economic sense.

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Curdie there is nothing wrong whit their compressors used. What ever Origin. What we have missed here is rear torsion bar Axle. And that SLC Axle is still made By AL-Ko in france. And Goldschmidt has an airbag for it. Not Vb YET. The account manager of Vb wants to talk whit Me how to tackle the Benelux RV market.
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