Tracker Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 https://www.ford.co.uk/shop/specialist-sales/fleet/phev It will certainly have an impact on site and aire ehu use, and no doubt the cost of installing and upgrading will have to met by someone - guess who!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Alright for very local deliveries, but with a 1 litre engine and a battery range of 30 miles, I can't see it being much use for anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Quite how well it works in the real world time will tell, but the 1L engine is there purely to charge the batteries when you go beyond 30miles, AFAIK the actual drive is just electric. The other way of doing it is as Suzuki have been doing, a small turbo petrol engine for most of the time with a electric motor to provide boost when accelerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 colin - 2018-12-12 5:40 PM Quite how well it works in the real world time will tell, but the 1L engine is there purely to charge the batteries when you go beyond 30miles, AFAIK the actual drive is just electric. Of course, but without the batteries the total power at the wheels can never be more than the engine is producing. Once the batteries are depleted, therefore, (after 30 miles) you're relying solely on a 1 litre engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Fuller details of the Ford Transit Custom PHEV are provided here https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2017/ford-transit-custom-plug-in-hybrid/ As has been said above, its petrol engine never directly drives the vehicle’s wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandncaravan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 A shame they have used the 1.0- petrol engine as a generator, isn't the 1.0 at the centre of all the warranty claims? While I can see this being almost practical as a van with very low carrying capacity, I can'r see a 1.0 litre generator providing enough power to drive electric motors on a 3.5 ton van up any sort of incline. Nice to see it is using Water Cooled Lithium packs to try and get near life claimed lifetime that has so far eluded the Nissan Leaf air cooled packs. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiesgrandad Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm not sure how much power can be generated by a 60 or 70 horsepower motor, but the general principle is that the van will be driven by electric motors powered by sophisticated batteries. The batteries will be charged by the high power 1 litre gasoline engine which will run at a fixed speed to produce optimum power and economy, and one imagines that it will also use regenerative braking and other fancy technology to achieve maximum charge to the batteries. The van will only run from the batteries regardless of whether the engine is running or not, and it's ecological credentials will rely on it being able to switch off the gasoline engine when the van is being driven in clean air zones etc. It remains to be seen whether this particular form of the technology will be applied to the bigger vehicles or those that need to travel long distances, but I'm not sure that I can see the need for anything fundamentally different, provided that the technology can be up-scaled AGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It will be successful in the trials, with local authorities who only need to get their tradesmen & equiment a few miles down the road to do a job. So most local authority vehicles are stood idle for most of the day. A better trial will be when it's given to the courier delivery companies, who cover many more miles per day, with multiple stop /start. But for any long haul work, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagey Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 at least when it gets stolen it wont be far away :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 pagey - 2018-12-14 7:50 AM at least when it gets stolen it wont be far away :-D Then you'll find it's been stripped of all its lead!!! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocsid Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 That it has a small capacity IC engine needs to be viewed in the context it is used, not compared with a direct drive we know now. Here it can operate at its designed power all the time it is asked to run, which might be modest by current power plants. The current IC engine has to be sized to meet the peek power asked not the mean power of a journey. Though MHs run at near maximum load and speed for significant % of their journey, say on an autoroute, they do so on what will average as "flat", so the average power needed is considerably lower than say the 130 bHp of the typical engine of today. A one litre petrol engine can readily produce the same 130 bhp, thus with power storage from the batteries could offer better performance than we now tolerate. However, I would expect it here to be more modestedly rated for optimise emissions and durability. I would not dismiss the concept too readily, if this is not viable it is getting very close to being and certainly will be soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.hubrechtsgm Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Strongly believe that the future are Fuel- cell cars. Electric driven but not hooked up on the mains. But a hydrogen tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebishbus Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Agreed Plenty of Hydrogen in the sea , and use solar power to extract it. Brian B. Ps .May also be the answer to rising sea level.And while you are at it , use solar power for desalination to make deserts fertile again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Ocsid - 2018-12-14 8:28 AM That it has a small capacity IC engine needs to be viewed in the context it is used, not compared with a direct drive we know now. Here it can operate at its designed power all the time it is asked to run, which might be modest by current power plants. The current IC engine has to be sized to meet the peek power asked not the mean power of a journey. Though MHs run at near maximum load and speed for significant % of their journey, say on an autoroute, they do so on what will average as "flat", so the average power needed is considerably lower than say the 130 bHp of the typical engine of today. A one litre petrol engine can readily produce the same 130 bhp, thus with power storage from the batteries could offer better performance than we now tolerate. However, I would expect it here to be more modestedly rated for optimise emissions and durability. I would not dismiss the concept too readily, if this is not viable it is getting very close to being and certainly will be soon. Saved me having to type it out, IF the batteries and electric motor are correctly sized and the electronics are programmed correctly then the 1L engine is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 colin - 2018-12-14 5:04 PM Ocsid - 2018-12-14 8:28 AM I would not dismiss the concept too readily, if this is not viable it is getting very close to being and certainly will be soon. Saved me having to type it out, IF the batteries and electric motor are correctly sized and the electronics are programmed correctly then the 1L engine is plenty. Which is why I posted it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeco Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 monique.hubrechts@gm - 2018-12-14 5:14 PMStrongly believe that the future are Fuel- cell cars. Electric driven but not hooked up on the mains. But a hydrogen tank. Monique you may be correct. The paper here today has a story on Hyundai's plans to spend A$9.3 billion on hydrogen technology. The article quotes Hyundai as estimating hydrogen powered vehicles will reach 2 million vehicles a year by 2030. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 The Ford is superb. For my Airport Transfer Buissness I use the FordTorneo 9 seater with the 170 hp engine. Picked it up 2 days before the release date of the new Hybrid To say I’m annoyed is an understatement. I test drove a fully loaded one over 200 miles. It’s pretty good. Infact it’s as good as our Mini Countryman Hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindiboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Tracker - 2018-12-12 4:56 PM https://www.ford.co.uk/shop/specialist-sales/fleet/phev It will certainly have an impact on site and aire ehu use, and no doubt the cost of installing and upgrading will have to met by someone - guess who!! Hope Johnny thief thinks to unplug it before he steals It He Hee being a Transit and all, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Hi Royal Mail have some larger electric vehicles on test from Arrival which could be converted but still not going far. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon2 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Nowt clever in this back in the 1950s United dairies used an electric 3 wheel delivery cart to deliver our milk the round was about 25 miles and the cart started off with about 500 pints of milk aboard I never saw one that didn't return to the depot under it's own power as the power dropped so did the weight so it worked out well. (^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 vindiboy - 2018-12-15 10:55 AM Tracker - 2018-12-12 4:56 PM https://www.ford.co.uk/shop/specialist-sales/fleet/phev It will certainly have an impact on site and aire ehu use, and no doubt the cost of installing and upgrading will have to met by someone - guess who!! Hope Johnny thief thinks to unplug it before he steals It He Hee being a Transit and all, Don't be daft - he will simply use a very long lead! Come to thinlk of it, how's this for a get you home solution - a portable generator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Future travel is near ;-) .......... 200 miles between charging posts :D .......... So 90 day's is prolly what folk will need to get to Spain and back (lol) (lol) (lol) ....... Progress eh? ;-) ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 pelmetman - 2018-12-16 8:16 PM Progress eh? ;-) ....... Trouble is it's political alleged progress not engineering proven progress but as long as there are plenty of willing guinea pigs to try it out at their own expense for the makers is everyone happy?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletguy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The Ford does 30 miles then needs fuel help, yet 62 years ago these things were running daily and capable of 60 - 80 miles before plugging in.....and all electric. Top speed is mind blowing 15- 20mph. This is the future for Little Englanders. (lol) https://www.treehugger.com/cars/electric-milk-trucks-still-working-jolly-old-england.html So far the only all electric to come anything close to practicality is the Tesla S. Zero - 60mph in just 2.5 seconds so it's no slouch and runs 380 mile on a full charge. Only problem......it's £128k. https://www.tesla.com/models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Bulletguy - 2018-12-16 9:13 PM So far the only all electric to come anything close to practicality is the Tesla S. Zero - 60mph in just 2.5 seconds so it's no slouch and runs 380 mile on a full charge. Only problem......it's £128k. https://www.tesla.com/models There are several electric cars on the market which work well for everyday commuting, not so good for long distance. I know a few Tesla owners, they get at best 100 miles short of the advertised range, but they aren't cared much as after a couple of hundred miles a quick rest stop at a supercharger will get them to anywhere they want and in reality it's more the effortless performance they have got the car for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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