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userkiters70
Posted: 9 January 2019 10:48 PM
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We are thinking about buying a Elddis 185 motorhome with the euro 6 engine 160hp, can any one tell me the road tax for this motorhome please
userRobinhood
Posted: 10 January 2019 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: Road Tax
 


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Subject to the MTPLM being no higher than 3500kg (as standard, that model complies), and subject to the final stage CoC not showing a CO2 figure (it shouldn't), then the vehicle should be registered in the Private/Light Goods category (TC11) which currently attracts a sum of £255 per year.

I note that searching the Government's web pages for info on this is currently less than helpful (since the rules were rewritten for motorhomes with a CO2 figure inserted in their final stage CoC), but I can assure you the above is the case, unless anyone makes a mistake (a regular dealer shouldn't).

Edited by Robinhood 2019-01-10 8:43 AM
userClive_Adams
Posted: 10 January 2019 8:43 AM
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There are a number of variables for calculation of the Road Tax depending on the CO2 emmisions and also there is an additional charge for new vehicles with a list price over 40000 which are applicable for the second year on, the link attached should give you all the details you need.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables

userweldted
Posted: 10 January 2019 9:17 AM
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I belive the £40,000 price tag only applies to cars?
userKeithl
Posted: 10 January 2019 9:22 AM
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weldted - 2019-01-10 9:17 AM

I believe the £40,000 price tag only applies to cars?


Or MH's where a CO2 figure IS quoted (ie VW California where CO2 figure is measured on a finished vehicle).

As soon as a vehicle undergoes a 'Second stage' conversion which affects CO2 figure, eg body conversion, weight alteration, etc. then the original manufacturers CO2 figure no longer applies.

Keith.
userRobinhood
Posted: 10 January 2019 9:32 AM
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If (as my post above) the vehicle is correctly registered in the PLG (TC11) category, then none of the implications of its list price being above £40,000 apply.

(Fundamentally, the issue for a motorhome is to ensure that the final stage CoC (certificate of conformity) does not have a CO2 figure inserted. Converters and dealers are well aware of this, so, for a UK-retail sourced vehicle, regardless of its country of origin, it is very unlikely for one to be present. As per some correspondence on here over the last year, this is not necessarily going to be so with a personal import from a country where the tax rules are different. I'm pretty sure that an Elddis will not be a personal import, however )
userMike88
Posted: 10 January 2019 10:46 AM
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If a motorhome costs in excess of £40k the cost of road tax is a minor expense especially for those who SORN the vehicle during times when it is not used.
userRandonneur
Posted: 10 January 2019 2:48 PM
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Again, the £40K plus ONLY does not apply to motorhomes.
userrael
Posted: 14 January 2019 3:23 PM
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The £40K threshold is for 'vehicles' so does include motorhomes. I've just registered my Challenger Vany LHD import and had to provide proof of the list price. Note its the list price, not what you paid for it. I was fortunate in that mine cam in at under £35,500 after taking into account the exchange rate. As its quite new March 2018, I was concerned about CO2 emissions but as these were not on the CoC then PLG was the correct class. I think issues will arise when a motorhome list price is over the threshold AND manufacturers begin to put emissions on the final CoC.

The OP has not mentioned price or age on the motorhome so its difficult to give advice.

Cheers

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userRobinhood
Posted: 14 January 2019 5:12 PM
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rael - 2019-01-14 3:23 PM

The £40K threshold is for 'vehicles' so does include motorhomes........

Dave


Nope.

If both the following apply, then the £40,000 purchase price conditions will apply:

- it’s in the M1SP category
- its CO2 emissions are included on the ‘type approval certificate’ (this might be called a ‘certificate of
conformity’ or ‘individual vehicle approval’)

But, though most motorhomes will fall in the M1SP category, as posted above, the vast majority of UK-sourced motorhomes will not have a CO2 figure on the final CoC, and are thus taxed in a completely different manner, not depending on emissions, and not subject to the £40,000 list price implications.

To restate, they will be taxed as either PLG (TC11) currently £255 pa or PHG (TC10) currently £165 pa if over 3.5t .
userrael
Posted: 14 January 2019 7:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure that was what I was saying! Something got lost along the way. If the CO2 emissions appear on the CoC AND the vehicle is over £40000 then you could have quite an expensive problem Luckily thats not been the case with the majority of UK motorhomes.

I'm only going on my experience of the last few weeks. Despite there being no CO2 emissions on the CoC I was still expected to prove the list price of the vehicle on the V55/5. The help notes state:

You must provide the list price/notional price for M1 type approved vehicles only. This
will be the price the day before the date from which the vehicle was originally registered.

userRobinhood
Posted: 14 January 2019 8:21 PM
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I simply didn't want any misunderstanding - your post was certainly open to misinterpretation, especially around you use of the wording "I was fortunate in that mine cam in at under £35,500 " in the context of your opening words detailing the £40K ceiling as being applicable to motorhomes. (As there was no CO" rating on your final CoC, then list price was irrelevant to road tax, whether or not you had to declare it).



The OP provided enough information on vehicle type and potential age (Euro 6) to be completely clear that (E&OE) the vehicle should fall into the PLG (TC11) category.
userBrian Kirby
Posted: 14 January 2019 9:37 PM
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The government invented a way to try to persuade people to buy vehicles with relatively low exhaust emissions, by imposing relatively punitive VED on those with high emissions - and for some reason added a purchase cost barrier above which the VED became even more punitive. Maybe they were swayed by tax revenus considerations? :-)

When the UK motorhome manufacturers saw what that would do to the cost of taxing their products, almost all of which cost in excess of £40K, they got into a huddle with DVLA, and came up with an argument that, since the CO2 figure relates to the base vehicle, which is a commercial van, it was illogical to base the taxation of a motorhome upon those CO2 levels because the motorhome is (generally) rebodied to become much less aerodynamically efficient, and generally heavier, so that the base vehicle figures would be unreliable. (Paradoxically, the actual emissions will inevitably be worse, due to the worse aerodynamics and extra weight, but let's not go there! :-D)

As there was no requirement to conduct CO2 tests on such extensively modified, but small scale production, vehicles, it was decided that inclusion of the CO2 figures on the CoC would be inappropriate, and that in their absence the level of VED should fall into either PLG or PHGV categories, as hitherto, but depending on MAM.

In order not to discriminate unfairly against imports, this was conveyed to foreign manufacturers of motorhomes, and, for reason known only to themselves, they decided to adopt the UK CoC format for vehicles they export to the UK. :-)

Any EU produced motorhome manufactured outside the UK should now come with a CoC bearing blanks for CO2 emissions. If the vehicle is a personal import from within the EU it should be possible, if you ask nicely, to obtain a copy of the CoC in the UK format direct from the manufacturer (before registering it), as they are now all set up to provide these for RHD or LHD vehicles destined for the UK market - 'though I guess some may make an admin charge for doing this.

Edited by Brian Kirby 2019-01-14 9:39 PM
userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 15 January 2019 9:02 AM
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(Copied from a November 2018 forum thread.)

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The UK’s current VED system is explained here

https://tinyurl.com/y9x3hkwa

Where UK-registration of new MOTOR CARAVANS is concerned the critical criteria are the vehicle’s Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) and whether there is a CO2 emissions figure on the vehicle’s final Certificate of Conformity (CofC).

VED involving the CO2 emissions figure APPLIES ONLY if the vehicle's MAM DOES NOT exceed 3500kg.

If a new motor caravan’s MAM DOES EXCEED 3500kg it should be registered in Tax Class 10 (Private HGV) at a current annual cost of £165. (This is irrespective of whether or not its final CofC carries a CO2 figure.)

https://tinyurl.com/yby5uqp9

if a new motor caravan’s MAM DOES NOT exceed 3500kg and its final CofC DOES NOT carry a CO2 figure, the vehicle should be registered in Tax Class 11 (Private/light goods vehicle) at a current annual cost of £255 if its motor’s capacity exceeds 1549cc, or £155 if its motor’s capacity does not exceed 1549cc.

https://tinyurl.com/y8u63ftg

if a new motor caravan’s MAM DOES NOT exceed 3500kg and its final CofC DOES carry a CO2 figure, the vehicle should be registered in the appropriate emissions-related VED class based on the vehicle’s final CofC’s CO2 figure, and an additional charge will apply if the motor caravan’s list-price exceeds £40,000

https://tinyurl.com/y8u63ftg
userRobinhood
Posted: 15 January 2019 9:34 AM
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Derek,

your notes above on vehicles above 3.5t falling under PHG arrangements regardless of any CO2 figure conflicts somewhat with the DVLA's own advice.

There is a very useful article published by them here, with a clear flow chart embedded.

https://insidedvla.blog.gov.uk/2017/03/27/new-vehicle-tax-rates-how-motorhomes-kit-built-and-multi-stage-build-vehicles-are-affected/

...which clearly gives precedence to the CO2 figure being published.

Nonetheless, overall the published DVLA information is confusing, and sometimes contradictory (the above document itself, for instance, only covers in the text the positioning as PLG if no CO2 figure is present, ignoring the possibility of PHG for heavier vehicles).

The flowchart is, however, very straightforward to follow, and implies that heavier vehicles can come under the new arrangement if there is a CO2 figure present - whether it is correct or not is another matter
userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 15 January 2019 1:51 PM
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In a February 2016 forum thread I mentioned that I had sought clarification from the DVLA about UK first registration of motorhomes with ECWVTA.

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/Motorhomes/Motorhome-Matters/Motorhome-licensing-road-tax/40754/

A vehicle’s weight is critical to whether or not it is assigned to a VED class based on a CO2 emissions datum. The three ‘emissions’ Tax Classes are TC48, TC49 and TC59 and these are referred to respectively as “Petrol Car”, “Diesel Car” and “Alternative Fuel Car” on the V355/1 document on the following link, with each of those three Tax Classes applying to a vehicle with a ‘revenue weight’ not exceeding 3500kg.

https://tinyurl.com/y9n4a9rf

The V355/1 document on the link has a “3/17” marking and (as far as I’m aware) no changes have been made to V355/1’s guidance since then.

The latest V149 document is here

https://tinyurl.com/y8u63ftg

It would be a simple matter to ask the DVLA if the Tax Classes TC48, TC49 and TC59 shown on the latest V149 document apply only to vehicles with a ‘revenue weight’ not exceeding 3500kg.

If the DVLA’s answer were “Yes” (which was the situation in 2016) then any vehicle with a ‘revenue weight’ exceeding 3500kg would need to be assigned to another Tax Class, and - for a motorhome with a MAM over 3500kg - that Class would be TC10 (Private HGV).
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