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Suggestions for a (really) compact motorhome
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userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 10:49 AM
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I'm looking for a motorhome, needs to be under 5.5m (due to driveway), sleep 4 and include a washroom/shower, up to about £25k. I've totally fallen in love with the Wingamm Micros, but they seem ridiculously rare, any other suggestions would be great...
userWill86
Posted: 27 April 2020 11:55 AM
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I have a family close to me who journeyed to Finland for several years in a standard VW. Two adults and two boys, it all depends how you mix and what sizes they are


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userflicka
Posted: 27 April 2020 12:03 PM
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Karmann Gypsy on VW base, but again very rare.
Another alternative would be the VW LT PVC high roof models, but they will be a bit long in the tooth now.
userKeithl
Posted: 27 April 2020 12:09 PM
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How about a Romahome? They tend to specialise in smaller MH's.

Some reviews here...

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/?manufacturerid=897893&rangeid=188

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userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 12:36 PM
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I had a look at Romahome but the only 4 berth in my price range is 20ft long! So too big for the drive.
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 12:38 PM
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Will86 - 2020-04-27 11:55 AM

I have a family close to me who journeyed to Finland for several years in a standard VW. Two adults and two boys, it all depends how you mix and what sizes they are


I was considering a standard VW, maybe a California but then got seduced by the larger motorhomes with washroom/shower/etc.
userDon636
Posted: 27 April 2020 2:49 PM
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What about an older Autosleeper Nuevo. Not sure about the exact length but I think it might fit.
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 3:01 PM
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Yes good call, says here it's 5.42m
https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/details/motorhome-review-auto-sleeper-nuevo-es-on-swb-20hdi-peugeot-boxer/899146

They made that model up to 2006, then went to the new Fiat in 2007 which pushed it up to 5.63m
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Posted: 27 April 2020 3:09 PM
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Wingamm is an Italian manufacturer of the highest quality, the habitation is a very solid two-layer fiberglass monocoque filled with vacuum-injected insulating material.
Even for the smallest vehicles of the brand the cost is in the high end of the market, in Italy a Micros on Volkswagen Transporter T6 2.0TDI 150hp costs almost € 70,000.
Used van on the market are few, they are highly wanted because of the monocoque technology.
I owned one of a competing brand (AIEsistem), put on sale on Monday, on Saturday it had already been sold.

I doubt your budget is enough.

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userSAlexander
Posted: 27 April 2020 3:20 PM
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Also Elddis Autoquest 100 or 200?
There are lots of converted van options such as VW, Toyota Alphard, Hyundai i800 etc. that fit the length criterion. All pretty much the same with pop-tops, rock-n-roll bed, side kitchen. Nice enough, but pretty cramped for 4 bodies!
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 3:25 PM
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mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:09 PM

Wingamm is an Italian manufacturer of the highest quality, the habitation is a very solid two-layer fiberglass monocoque filled with vacuum-injected insulating material.
Even for the smallest vehicles of the brand the cost is in the high end of the market, in Italy a Micros on Volkswagen Transporter T6 2.0TDI 150hp costs almost € 70,000.
Used van on the market are few, they are highly wanted because of the monocoque technology.
I owned one of a competing brand (AIEsistem), put on sale on Monday, on Saturday it had already been sold.

I doubt your budget is enough.

Max


I was thinking of an old one, a 2006 Micros sold in 2014 for £27k and one in 2011 for £29k, so I was thinking if an old one came up for sale now it might be in budget, although very unlikely as people probably want to keep them!



userpelmetman
Posted: 27 April 2020 4:17 PM
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Would 5.6 be too much? ......

If not a Ford travelhome would fit the bill ......

Plus if the OP finds a good one.......he'll have 15k in beer tokens ......

userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 27 April 2020 6:54 PM
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jonnybeare

For 4 ‘adult size’ sleeping berths (and 4 belted travel seats) in a compact-length motorhome, you would probably need to be looking at overcab designs. In 2004 several manufacturers were marketing overcab motorhomes up to 2.5m in length, but by 2006 those models had been discontinued.

This LHD 2006 Hobby’s specification includes 4 large beds, 4 travel seats and a pretty good bathroom - snag is that it’s 5.84m long.

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide
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Posted: 27 April 2020 7:07 PM
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I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name). Adria also does one on small Open/Renault base.

A friend has 3 kids and they still roll around in an old VW pop up top so I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 7:57 PM
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Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-27 6:54 PM

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide


I quite like the original Exsis, also a monocoque which has some advantages, very rare though, for a RHD one at least.
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 7:59 PM
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spirou - 2020-04-27 7:07 PM

I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name). Adria also does one on small Open/Renault base.



I found Possl Vario 545 launched in 2013 which is a really good layout but I think probably too expensive, was that the one you meant, or something else?
userRuby(Exsis)
Posted: 28 April 2020 7:53 AM
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The original Hymer Exsis SG version suits your. Requirements exactly.
It was manufactured between 2003 - 6 and this version has 4 belted seats and 4 berths.
In magazine comparison tests in that era - the Exsis always came out on top of the Micros by its sheer practicality, but the Micros is a quality van - I considered one myself when I bought the Exsis from new.
I have owned mine from new as many others still do and many more are long term owners - difficult to compromise after owning one.
They are also rare and difficult to find, but the SK which only has driver/ passenger belts and 3 berths is more common.
There is a dedicated web site full of information from experienced owners and more recently enthusiastic new owners as us older ones 'retire' from motorhomes.
You can find us at exsisowners.com.
You can browse the site without joining, but you can't post. Non owners are welcome to join and it's free
Best wishes in your quest.
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userDerek Uzzell
Posted: 28 April 2020 8:30 AM
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jonnybeare - 2020-04-27 7:57 PM

Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-27 6:54 PM

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide


I quite like the original Exsis, also a monocoque which has some advantages, very rare though, for a RHD one at least.


Although the Wingamm “Micros” has a complete GRP monocoque rear body, the original Hymer “Exsis” models have GRP front and roof sections with the remaining bodywork being of conventional (for Hymer) sandwich construction. MMM magazine reviewed an Exsis SK in 2005

https://tinyurl.com/yccm6j2k
userjonnybeare
Posted: 28 April 2020 9:39 AM
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Thanks for all the Exsis info, there are two SK LHD on Ebay at the moment, but I'll keep an eye out for an SG as I need the 4 belts and berths.
userpepe63
Posted: 28 April 2020 11:03 AM
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I may have missed it but are we talking 2 adults and 2 kids(if so, what age/size are the kids) or 4 adults ?

I was just thinking, if you did find a van than fit your driveway,and at the right price, how long would it be before it became too much of a compromise, size-wise?

Also, will the MH be parked in front of the building line?(as in, backed up against the garage/house?)..If so, just make sure that won't fall foul of any covenants or pish-off any neighbours.

I know it's great to be able to have the van "to hand" but I wouldn't totally rule out keeping a MH in (local) storage. Especially if parking it at home would greatly restrict the choice and/or suitability of the van you can have.
userjonnybeare
Posted: 28 April 2020 12:44 PM
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It's for 2 adults and an 11 and 13 year old but one of them is as tall as me already so 4 adults really.

There's a big shared area/drive at the end of the garden, next to garages for several houses. The height won't block anyone's view but the length is pretty tight if we want to keep it within our garden boundary. I hadn't considered local storage, how much does that sort of thing cost?

I also don't want anything too big, it's my first MH, only had a campervan previously. Plus if it needs upgrading in a few years I'm alright with that.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 12:51 PM
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jonnybeare - 2020-04-28 12:44 PM

It's for 2 adults and an 11 and 13 year old but one of them is as tall as me already so 4 adults really.



Have you considered decamping the kids into pup tents to make more space in the MH? By the age of yours our kids where only too keen to move out into pup tents for their own space! We found that all C&CC sites allowed two pup tents at no extra charge as long as they fitted on the usual pitch size, and as we didn't have an awning to erect this was easy.

Keith.
userpepe63
Posted: 28 April 2020 1:13 PM
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Hi again..

For four adult sized people to "live-within" a sub 5.5m van (only) ?, it'd say it'd be pushing it, to be honest..
Chances are, you will end up using an awning of sorts- you may even find it being used for one/two of you to sleep in?- and if you bear that in mind, maybe it would help broaden your van search ?
Maybe to smaller vans, whose primary roll is transporting your family and your clobber? that can also be a functional "day-out" van?.. instead of a compromise of a MH that is acting as a condensed-caravan..?

(Our first van was a 2 berth, 2003 Duetto.That was a 5.4m (ish) hi-top Transit and that could be "snug" with just the two of us!. Even the 6m Compass coach-built that followed it , could feel a bit "tight" if the weather closed in).

Sorry, no real idea about storage costs. I'd assume that it varies wildly.
I know my elder brother keeps a large caravan on an " approved"(cassoa?) storage site and the last i heard it was something like 300-350 quid a year?...No idea if that is still correct or whether it'd be relevant to your area anyway.

Edit Sorry Keith, I crossed you post (phone rang :$ )

This older Romahome R30 is only 4.8m?-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-ROMAHOME/402200052584?hash=item5da4fdc368:g:aIEAAOSws6RehlWU
..so something like that, with an awning or pup tents?

Edited by pepe63 2020-04-28 1:24 PM
userjonnybeare
Posted: 28 April 2020 4:10 PM
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'Pup tents'.. had to google that!!

Not a bad idea, there are so many more options out there for a small 2 berth MH/van.

I'll have to talk to the family.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 4:22 PM
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Pup tents are fine when it's warm and dry - but not a lot of fun when it's cold wet and windy - especially if you are moving on with a small van full of wet gear and disgruntled people.
It can be tough enough in a small van without adding an extra level of irritation!
userPCC
Posted: 28 April 2020 4:44 PM
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There is a current trend for putting elevating roofs on high top vans so how about looking for a two birth medium wheelbase Ducato, Boxer or Relay and getting a converter to put a roof on top? SCA in Germany make the roofs and there may be some other suppliers too.

It will be quite a tight fit for 4 but something like an Autocruise Jazz might fit the bill although some thought may need to be given to rooflights.

No idea how much it would cost!

Peter
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Posted: 28 April 2020 6:21 PM
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spirou - 2020-04-27 7:07 PM

I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name)...


You are probably thinking of the “Vario 545” model from Possl/Globecar.

In the UK it was marketed as a Globecar on a RHD Fiat Ducato base and there’s a 2013 Which Motorhome magazine review here

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/details/globecar-vario-545-motorhome-review/899678

Probably as good as one could get for 4 adult-size people in a 5.41m-long high-top panel-van conversion with a bathroom/shower, but coming across a RHD one for sale in the UK would take a lot of luck and I suspect the asking-price would exceed JB’s £25K budget.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 8:26 PM
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Autosleepers Talisman / Executives on an X244 Peugeot Boxer chassis are about 5.6 mtrs long and are very well made and durable as well as being able to sleep four. Is that too long?
Most have a built in roof rack and ladder for extra carrying capacity - like wet tents!

Edited by Tracker 2020-04-28 8:27 PM
userjonnybeare
Posted: 29 April 2020 10:00 AM
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I did have a look at the Talisman, but despite being a 4 berth there are only 3 seat belts.
userpepe63
Posted: 29 April 2020 10:51 AM
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Mornin' JB..

Another possibly daft question- How do you envisage using this van, how often (and for how long each time)?

If you're thinking of touring for weeks at time (during the school summer holidays), maybe abroad, and maybe moving on every few days, then something quite small that entails you putting up awnings and/or tents will become a pain in the backside..

If on the other hand, it's just for the occasional week long holiday, with some additional "impromptu" long weekends, then a short-ish, van conversion(as I linked to above) "may" possibly do you?

But do be aware, that by the time you have loaded an awning/ tent(s), sleeping bags/pillows, camp-beds,camping chairs/table(s),4 sets of clothing, 4 lots of footwear(that will get muddy!), 4 lots of coats(that will get wet!). etc etc, you do run the risk of having a van with "facilities" that are pretty much unusable until everything is disgorged on 'site..
( we have festival friends, some of which run quite swanky VW conversions...but the things are rammed to the gunnels, when they first roll up on 'site).

..and at some point, (usually whilst wrestling with a awning/ tent in the wind/rain) you will ask yourself ".. why have we spent XX 1000s on a ******* motorhome, only to end up putting a ****** tent up!?..." )

£20-25000 could get a decent sized,over-cab "family van"(possibly with bunk beds)? Obviously that wouldn't be as versatile(or as "cool"?) as a small van conversion,but until I'd explored the availability/cost of storage, I wouldn't fully rule one out..?

It all depends on what you actually "want"?
(but want we "want", is not always the same as what we "need")
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