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userBarcobird
Posted: 7 March 2021 11:33 PM
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We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
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Posted: 8 March 2021 7:29 AM
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Looking on line there are countless water softeners available, presumably the same in France. Looks like you will need a filter as well .
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Posted: 8 March 2021 9:07 AM
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jumpstart - 2021-03-08 7:29 AM

Looking on line there are countless water softeners available, presumably the same in France. Looks like you will need a filter as well .

Portable??
Your Google must be different to mine
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Posted: 8 March 2021 12:58 PM
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Link to Screwfix

This one is from Screwfix. There seems to be many on line, unless I'm missing your point.

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Posted: 8 March 2021 2:21 PM
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jumpstart - 2021-03-08 12:58 PM

Link to SF

This one is from Screwfix. There seems to be many on line, unless I'm missing your point.

I appreciate your replies but yes missing the point. This product only reduces calcium in the kettle or boiler etc. The salt osmosis machines (or similar)do this but also soften the water meaning you don’t get scum every time you wash or shower.
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Posted: 8 March 2021 2:28 PM
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Derek or PJ would you mind moving this thread to motorhome matters please, don’t know why I put it in chatterbox. Thanks, Peter
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Posted: 8 March 2021 3:03 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 2:28 PM

Derek or PJ would you mind moving this thread to motorhome matters please, don’t know why I put it in chatterbox. Thanks, Peter

I was wondering? .......
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Posted: 8 March 2021 3:22 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 2:28 PM

Derek or PJ would you mind moving this thread to motorhome matters please, don’t know why I put it in chatterbox. Thanks, Peter

Moved! I had wondered as well!
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Posted: 8 March 2021 4:10 PM
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Who is PJ ?
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Posted: 8 March 2021 4:29 PM
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Derek Uzzell - 2021-03-08 4:10 PM

Who is PJ ?

Perhaps he has seen DU in his PJ's? .......

......
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Posted: 8 March 2021 5:21 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-07 11:33 PM

We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
Answers on a post card please

I'm assuming you are still in Espania? .......

You obviously have access to bottled water.......so why are you saving cents to ruin your campers plumbing? .........

Do der maffs .......
userwitzend
Posted: 8 March 2021 5:27 PM
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Derek Uzzell - 2021-03-08 4:10 PM

Who is PJ ?

Surely he's the main man on the top of page with the notice were all told to read



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Posted: 8 March 2021 5:29 PM
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Isn't there a blue light that cures bore hole water saw it in a pump house on a farm once

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Posted: 8 March 2021 5:42 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 9:07 AM

jumpstart - 2021-03-08 7:29 AM

Looking on line there are countless water softeners available, presumably the same in France. .

Portable?? Your Google must be different to mine

Vilamoura https://tinyurl.com/yddj4klq
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Posted: 8 March 2021 6:28 PM
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witzend - 2021-03-08 5:27 PM

Derek Uzzell - 2021-03-08 4:10 PM

Who is PJ ?

Surely he's the main man on the top of page with the notice we're all told to read

NOPE!

That post was by a forum member named Pauline for the benefit of all members and she had no connection with the running of the forums and since selling her MH has not been on the forum for nearly two years.

Keith.
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Posted: 8 March 2021 6:43 PM
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Keithl - 2021-03-08 6:28 PM

witzend - 2021-03-08 5:27 PM

Derek Uzzell - 2021-03-08 4:10 PM

Who is PJ ?

Surely he's the main man on the top of page with the notice we're all told to read

NOPE!

That post was by a forum member named Pauline for the benefit of all members and she had no connection with the running of the forums and since selling her MH has not been on the forum for nearly two years.

Keith.

See I’m not that daft
Why don’t you change PJ to Keith as it sits permanently at the top, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind
userBarcobird
Posted: 8 March 2021 6:57 PM
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pelmetman - 2021-03-08 5:21 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-07 11:33 PM

We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
Answers on a post card please

I'm assuming you are still in Espania? .......

You obviously have access to bottled water.......so why are you saving cents to ruin your campers plumbing? .........

Do der maffs .......

Nope never lived in Spain maybe the clue is in Vilamoura (Portugal)

So what you are suggesting is buy bottled water so I can shower do the dishes etc.
Tank holds 120 litres last maybe 3 days. 24 x 5 litre bottles @ 50 cents =12 euros x 120 days =1440 euros.
Maths done think it’s cheaper to buy a softener
userpelmetman
Posted: 8 March 2021 7:00 PM
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Keithl - 2021-03-08 6:28 PM

witzend - 2021-03-08 5:27 PM

Derek Uzzell - 2021-03-08 4:10 PM

Who is PJ ?

Surely he's the main man on the top of page with the notice we're all told to read

NOPE!

That post was by a forum member named Pauline for the benefit of all members and she had no connection with the running of the forums and since selling her MH has not been on the forum for nearly two years.

Keith.

Oh dear ......another name from the forum past .......

I guess I'm also on the cusp of joining the queue of those waiting for Godot ....

Tic Tok goes the forum clock ........

Given my luck as a atheist .....the f*cker will allow me to jump the queue .......
userpelmetman
Posted: 8 March 2021 7:18 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 6:57 PM

pelmetman - 2021-03-08 5:21 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-07 11:33 PM

We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
Answers on a post card please

I'm assuming you are still in Espania? .......

You obviously have access to bottled water.......so why are you saving cents to ruin your campers plumbing? .........

Do der maffs .......

Nope never lived in Spain maybe the clue is in Vilamoura (Portugal)

So what you are suggesting is buy bottled water so I can shower do the dishes etc.
Tank holds 120 litres last maybe 3 days. 24 x 5 litre bottles @ 50 cents =12 euros x 120 days =1440 euros.
Maths done think it’s cheaper to buy a softener

My mistake ......

Coz there's a Vilamoura not far from us in Costa del Brexit On Sea.....aka Spain ......

Have you thought about a local man with a van who could prolly buy enough in bulk for the month? ......
userBarcobird
Posted: 8 March 2021 7:47 PM
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pelmetman - 2021-03-08 7:18 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-08 6:57 PM

pelmetman - 2021-03-08 5:21 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-07 11:33 PM

We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
Answers on a post card please

I'm assuming you are still in Espania? .......

You obviously have access to bottled water.......so why are you saving cents to ruin your campers plumbing? .........

Do der maffs .......

Nope never lived in Spain maybe the clue is in Vilamoura (Portugal)

So what you are suggesting is buy bottled water so I can shower do the dishes etc.
Tank holds 120 litres last maybe 3 days. 24 x 5 litre bottles @ 50 cents =12 euros x 120 days =1440 euros.
Maths done think it’s cheaper to buy a softener

My mistake ......

Coz there's a Vilamoura not far from us in Costa del Brexit On Sea.....aka Spain ......

Have you thought about a local man with a van who could prolly buy enough in bulk for the month? ......

The man with the van would probably get it from a borehole the same as we do.
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Posted: 8 March 2021 8:01 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 7:47 PM

pelmetman - 2021-03-08 7:18 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-08 6:57 PM

pelmetman - 2021-03-08 5:21 PM

Barcobird - 2021-03-07 11:33 PM

We are full timers in our motorhome and due to Covid are now and have been for sometime static. The water we are using comes from a bore hole which is not drinkable (we use bottled) but also very hard. This causes scum when washing, a lack of lather from soap and I suspect calcium on the pipework and boiler.
Therefore I have been trying to find a portable water softener, which is becoming a bit of a task.
" On the go " manufactured in China and retailed in America appear to be a good proposition but postage and import duty make it expensive. Aqua House advertised on Amazon removes timescale but when reading the reviews doesn't lessen scum. Other than these two items I have not been able to find any other portable water softeners, anyone ouf there know of such a thing or can suggest an alternative???
Answers on a post card please

I'm assuming you are still in Espania? .......

You obviously have access to bottled water.......so why are you saving cents to ruin your campers plumbing? .........

Do der maffs .......

Nope never lived in Spain maybe the clue is in Vilamoura (Portugal)

So what you are suggesting is buy bottled water so I can shower do the dishes etc.
Tank holds 120 litres last maybe 3 days. 24 x 5 litre bottles @ 50 cents =12 euros x 120 days =1440 euros.
Maths done think it’s cheaper to buy a softener

My mistake ......

Coz there's a Vilamoura not far from us in Costa del Brexit On Sea.....aka Spain ......

Have you thought about a local man with a van who could prolly buy enough in bulk for the month? ......

The man with the van would probably get it from a borehole the same as we do.

And put it in 5 ltr bottles? ........

Just how far away from civilisation are you? .......

I'd thought you'd left Redditch? .......
userwitzend
Posted: 8 March 2021 9:04 PM
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Barcobird - 2021-03-08 6:43 PM

See I’m not that daft
Why don’t you change PJ to Keith as it sits permanently at the top, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind

But what would Derek think if Keith took the top spot ?
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Posted: 9 March 2021 8:50 AM
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The “ALL FORUM MEMBERS - PLEASE READ” thread started life as a casual posting by a forum member (P Jay - Pauline) within the Motorhome Matters forum. The thread sprawled into discussion about the ‘ranks’ awarded to forum members and was ’stickied’ by Daniel Attwood (who was the forum High Administrator in June 2017) which is why the thread was sitting at the top of the Motothome Matters homepage.

The thread is an unhappy mishmash of information and - as it’s original thrust was to ask people to provide motorhome identification details of their motorhome - I added guidance to Pauline’s postiing and copied that guidance into the "IDENTIFYING YOUR MOTORHOME” thread that is next one down.

There seems to be a belief that forum moderators like Keith and me have unlimited powers to fiddle about with threads. While we can do quite a lot, we can’t do what Barcobird has suggested.

What I have done is ‘unsticky’ the "ALL FORUM MEMBERS - PLEASE READ” thread which has caused it to retreat into the 2017 pages of the Motorhome Matters forum. It had little genuine value where it was as the information in it is held elsewhere.

This does give me the ‘top spot’, but I’m sure Keith and the other forum moderators won’t be envious.
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Posted: 9 March 2021 9:20 AM
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One other thing - while I’m wearing my moderator hat - will forum members please use the QUOTE button judiciously when posting to the Motorhome Matters forum and not treat it as a replacement for the REPLY button.

I’m well aware that using the QUOTE button instead of the REPLY button is virtually the norm on the Chatterbox forum, but the effect soon becomes ugly and distracting (see pelmetman’s posting of 8 March 2021 8:01 PM above).

Where it’s appropriate use the QUOTE button: where the REPLY button can be used without causing ambiguity, please use the REPLY button.
userBarcobird
Posted: 9 March 2021 10:32 AM
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Well I’m glad we have got that sorted out

Any chance we could talk about water softeners now please
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Posted: 9 March 2021 1:26 PM
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A GOOGLE-search using "portable water softener" as the search-term results in several possibilities. However, where providing you with informed advice is concerned, your requirement is unusual (at least for motorcaravanning applications) and you've said that you'd be reluctant to order from the USA for cost reasons.

It's plain that you've researched this well before enquiring here, so it's doubtful that anyone will be able to add anything that you haven't already covered yourself.
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Posted: 5 April 2021 1:49 PM
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Don't have a water softener at the house and never thought of one for the RV. Is there any benefit to the RV plumbing system by using one or is it primarily for the benefits of soft water when bathing? Or any benefits for my compact washing machine?

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Posted: 9 April 2021 9:18 PM
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A water softener is a major benefit all round when living in a hard water area, such as the south east. It prevents scale building in kettles and particularly in boilers, washing machines and dishwashers. Furthermore, it eliminates scum and scale, dramatically reduces use of soap and detergent, and eliminates the need for salt in dishwashers.

I suggest in a motorhome the weight and difficulty of fitting outweighs these benefits, though it means boiler descaling remains a necessity. Live and tour in a soft water area for a guaranteed solution!

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Posted: 9 April 2021 10:06 PM
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Although it wouldn’t be prudent to instal a household type water softener about I believe more mobile types are available in the states but due to import duty and delivery costs it’s not economically viable to import one. However I have purchased and installed a product hopefully to eliminate calcium build up on the boiler and kettle etc.
LIFF ELECTROLYTIC IN-LINE SCALE INHIBITOR. It’s about 9” long, a doddle to fit and I have installed it so that I can connect the filler hose before going into the water tank. I will see how it works but it does not soften water and reduce scum, this is another avenue to explore.
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Posted: 10 April 2021 7:51 AM
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These devices have been around for quite some time and various versions are currently marketed. Their effectiveness was discussed on a Screwfix forum in 2003

https://community.screwfix.com/threads/electro-magnetic-scale-inhibitors-do-they-work.60913/

A 2015 Amazon 3-star review said about the Liff Electrolytic In-Line Scale Inhibitor

"i have been using magnetic inhibitors for many years. I also use electronic devices. The electronic devices appear to do a more noticeable job - lots of displaced minerals floating around the kettle etc. Two points need considering. point one - these devices do not soften the water they inhibit limescale sticking to the pipes and elements. The resultant visible result is minerals in suspension. Point two is that unlike a softener the results are temporary so you need to use them all the time. Always read the instruxctions- not all devices work on non copper pipes."

It will be interesting to learn how you get on with yours.
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