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Posted: 30 December 2018 5:46 PM
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All those women and children fleeing Europes danger zones ... https://news.sky.com/story/fresh-group-of-suspected-migrants-spotted-on-kent-beach-11594820 ... Please help where you can ... These young men need help to flee the dangers of Calais ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539795/Ill-trying-200-times-Calais-migrants-say-attempting-Channel-crossings.html

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Posted: 30 December 2018 6:22 PM
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France is gripped by war obviously for these poor young males to have flee their homelands ... Help where you can please maybe even write to your MPs .. Thanks
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Posted: 30 December 2018 7:28 PM
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Shaking , shivering and starving these poor children who managed to flee France and the war that ravages that country are now safe in Britain ... https://news.sky.com/video/suspected-migrants-land-on-kent-beach-in-dinghy-11594840 ... Praise the Lord
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Posted: 30 December 2018 8:17 PM
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It's amazing .........they got from Iran to the English Channel in a rubber dinghy, before they found a country where they could claim asylum? ..........

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Posted: 30 December 2018 10:53 PM
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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Edited by Barryd999 2018-12-30 10:53 PM
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Posted: 31 December 2018 7:32 AM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-30 8:17 PM

It's amazing .........they got from Iran to the English Channel in a rubber dinghy, before they found a country where they could claim asylum? ..........



War ravages Europe Dave and they've heard of Barry and Johns generosity and concern ... Bless
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Posted: 31 December 2018 9:15 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-30 10:53 PM

Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........

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Posted: 31 December 2018 10:52 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-30 10:53 PM

Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.

When the economy crashes after Brexit however we will still need to eat and be cared for. There are over seven million immigrants here from both the EU and outside the EU. The numbers of EU workers is declining rapidly since the referendum while the number of Asians and Africans is rising so those Iranians will fit in nicely with this trend. Im sure there will be plenty for them to do as our EU workers flick the V's and leave as they have plenty of choice in the rest of Europe now.
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Posted: 31 December 2018 11:16 AM
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pelmetman - 2018-12-31 9:15 AM...……………..Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........
At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........

Forgive the intrusion, Dave, but is your geography so bad that you think Iran is part of the EU, or is Migrant some new country the you alone have discovered? I'm now beginning to understand why "prejudice" is so often preceded by "blind"!
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Posted: 31 December 2018 11:25 AM
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Brian Kirby - 2018-12-31 11:16 AM

pelmetman - 2018-12-31 9:15 AM...……………..Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........
At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........

Forgive the intrusion, Dave, but is your geography so bad that you think Iran is part of the EU, or is Migrant some new country the you alone have discovered? I'm now beginning to understand why "prejudice" is so often preceded by "blind"!


There's nowt wrong with my geography........ but you deffo have a EU blinkered way of reading threads .......

I was replying to Barry.......Who was implying that we would need to bring in migrants from Iran post Brexit ........





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Posted: 31 December 2018 11:28 AM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 10:52 AM

We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.



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You Remoaners really do beggar belief ........

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........



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pelmetman - 2018-12-31 11:28 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 10:52 AM

We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.




https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........




As I understand it, the article refers to workers - not beggars.

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Posted: 31 December 2018 12:33 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 10:52 AM

We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.




https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........




As I understand it, the article refers to workers - not beggars.



Semantics Malc ..........

No doubt they list their employment as self employed "Beggar" .........

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Posted: 31 December 2018 12:36 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-30 10:53 PM

Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???

Edited by antony1969 2018-12-31 12:37 PM
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Posted: 31 December 2018 12:50 PM
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Great news they've made it ... https://news.sky.com/story/sajid-javid-to-hold-crisis-talks-over-perilous-channel-crossings-11595381 ... More doctors , scientists and architects to help after Brexit and just in time for New Years Eve ... Bonjour French peeps we salute you for escaping France and fleeing the war in that country ... Wonderful story

Edited by antony1969 2018-12-31 12:50 PM
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Posted: 31 December 2018 1:36 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-30 10:53 PM

Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.
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Posted: 31 December 2018 2:42 PM
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malc d - 2018-12-31 11:50 AM

pelmetman - 2018-12-31 11:28 AM

Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 10:52 AM

We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.




https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........




As I understand it, the article refers to workers - not beggars.


What's new? That pair never let fact stand in the way of pumping out more of their bile and hate.
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Posted: 31 December 2018 5:20 PM
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-30 10:53 PM

Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???
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Posted: 31 December 2018 6:56 PM
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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?
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Posted: 31 December 2018 10:30 PM
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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?
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Barryd999 - 2018-12-31 6:56 PM

The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

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We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.




https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........




As I understand it, the article refers to workers - not beggars.


What's new? That pair never let fact stand in the way of pumping out more of their bile and hate.


I see ...........

Not wanting the UK being turned into a dumping ground for the EU's dossers and criminals is pumping out bile and hate ...........

I'd call it common sense ...............

Which is something you loony lefties will never suffer from ........

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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual


Well we try and establish who they are then dont we? If they are not genuine asylum seekers they will be sent packing and most are indeed refused refugee status. Despite what the media might say its not that easy to be granted asylum in the UK, these people would have probably stood more of a chance in France. As for them being terrorists the huge majority of terrorists in Europe and certainly in the UK are British or European citizens not genuine refugees. Most of the refugees who eventually turn up in the UK are resourceful, law abiding and intelligent people who just want to live and rebuild their lives not blow us up.
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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual


Well we try and establish who they are then dont we? If they are not genuine asylum seekers they will be sent packing and most are indeed refused refugee status. Despite what the media might say its not that easy to be granted asylum in the UK, these people would have probably stood more of a chance in France. As for them being terrorists the huge majority of terrorists in Europe and certainly in the UK are British or European citizens not genuine refugees. Most of the refugees who eventually turn up in the UK are resourceful, law abiding and intelligent people who just want to live and rebuild their lives not blow us up.


Jeez you live in a fantasy world ... Put one of those "resourceful , law abiding , intelligent people" up then
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


I see one of your mates kicked off in Manchester AGAIN ........

But we don't have a problem according to dumb folk like you .........

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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual


Well we try and establish who they are then dont we? If they are not genuine asylum seekers they will be sent packing and most are indeed refused refugee status. Despite what the media might say its not that easy to be granted asylum in the UK, these people would have probably stood more of a chance in France. As for them being terrorists the huge majority of terrorists in Europe and certainly in the UK are British or European citizens not genuine refugees. Most of the refugees who eventually turn up in the UK are resourceful, law abiding and intelligent people who just want to live and rebuild their lives not blow us up.


Jeez you live in a fantasy world ... Put one of those "resourceful , law abiding , intelligent people" up then


Which parts of what I said are fantasy? We are quite strict on Asylum seekers, we hardly take any compared to much of Europe, most get sent back, google it if you dont believe me and its true that "genuine" refugees are generally well behaved compared to economic migrants and anyone who has made that journey from Iran pretty much has to be resourceful, fit and intelligent. We are going to need people like that seeing as you have driven the Europeans away.

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Well they will be shipping them in legally if Brexit goes ahead, someone has to do the work of all the EU workers the Brexiteers have chased away.



Make up your mind Barry .........

One minute your saying our economy will crash.......which will mean we won't need so many migrants ...........

Next your saying we'll have to ship them in from Iran ........

At least post Brexit we wont have to give migrants access to our benefit systems, or be forced to allow in all of their extended family .........



"We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home."

Yes and the little pixies and fairies come out and escort them to the magic carpets back to war torn France ... If war isnt ravaging Europe why are these delightful young Muslim fellas ignoring the rest of Europe to come to cold , damp , Christian , miserable and broke after Brexit Blighty ???


I suspect if you look into their backgrounds it will turn out they either speak English and / or have family here. If you didnt speak French or had no family there but did speak English and / or have family here where would you head? Hardly a deluge is it? a few migrants make it to the UK in rubber dinghies and y you would think those 80 million Turks that were joining the EU had all turned up with the hysteria that seems to be surrounding it.


"Hysteria" ??? ... Not seen that ... If commenting on it like I have or Dave has is "hysteria" then sorry ... Given your liking of dramatics as in blaming all Brexit voters for violence and murder though hardly surprising ... You've been to Europe Barry , guess what most folk speak English so utter wet tosh ... Your happy for em.to be coming so why not make a new years resolution to man up and step up and put one up ???


The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual


Well we try and establish who they are then dont we? If they are not genuine asylum seekers they will be sent packing and most are indeed refused refugee status. Despite what the media might say its not that easy to be granted asylum in the UK, these people would have probably stood more of a chance in France. As for them being terrorists the huge majority of terrorists in Europe and certainly in the UK are British or European citizens not genuine refugees. Most of the refugees who eventually turn up in the UK are resourceful, law abiding and intelligent people who just want to live and rebuild their lives not blow us up.


Jeez you live in a fantasy world ... Put one of those "resourceful , law abiding , intelligent people" up then


Which parts of what I said are fantasy? We are quite strict on Asylum seekers, we hardly take any compared to much of Europe, most get sent back, google it if you dont believe me and its true that "genuine" refugees are generally well behaved compared to economic migrants and anyone who has made that journey from Iran pretty much has to be resourceful, fit and intelligent. We are going to need people like that seeing as you have driven the Europeans away.



Crikey ... In your book Im now not just responsible for hate crimes towards Europeans , murder and assaults but I have now driven Europeans away ... If that aint fantasy Barry I dont know what is fella ... Keep on dreaming Fats
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many of those Americans were killed just because they didn't believe in the religion the killer believed in princess ??? 14 deaths today in Muslim hate world fella , Somalia , Egypt , Thailand , Afghanistan , Philippines and among the countless injured 3 in Manchester who you obviously dont care for ... Now the combined population of those countries ive posted where death has happened today at the hands of Muslims is less than the USA so what your silly defending point is I dont know ... Your vile fella , real vile and your lonely Christmas aint made you any less vile ... Yuk
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Those fleeing France are desperate ... Thieving French fishermans boats ... https://news.sky.com/story/14-migrants-accused-of-trying-to-steal-french-trawler-11596213 ... Let em in
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.
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The government are calling it a "Serious incident", recalling ministers back early from holiday because a few blokes turned up on the beach in rubber dinghies! They are calling for the Navy to come in and sort it all out. That all sounds a bit hysterical to me. Im not sure what the Navy can do apart from give them a free ride back to port. Not really a "Serious incident" though is it?


Maybe they are calling it a "Serious incident" cos we aint got a fecking clue who all these fellas are and what their intentions are though you say its cos they speak English ... Time and again in Europe these fellas have killed and slaughtered in the name of their God and mad ideology ... Put em up or will you expect others in the usual areas to put up the "few blokes" who've "turned up" as usual

Now that is beginning to "sound a bit hysterical"! Were any of the dinghies fitted with cannons, mortar bombs and rocket launchers? Next you'll be suggesting IS might be building a fleet of warships and submarines.

How many Iranians have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and when was the most recent?


They dont need "cannons , mortar bombs and rocket launchers" ... You might wanna check the Manchester news as much as it will hurt ya ... Dont know how many Iranians but I'll take a massive punt princess that the vast majority who've carried out recent "terrorist attacks in UK" are Muslims like those poor darlings fleeing Europes war ... Seems the knife attacker was wishing everyone Happy New Year by shouting those very familiar words "Allahu Akbar" ... 2018 had nearly 2000 Islamic terrorist attacks in 55 countries with nearly 12000 killed and the same injured ... Horrible people

You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling
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What a surprise ... Muslim terrorist held under mental health laws ... https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-victoria-station-stabbings-suspect-held-under-mental-health-act-11596556 ... Managed to shout Allah , Allahu Akbar and long live the caliphate after the attack though ... Lovely people
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Back on topic, the Brexiteers wont be happy I imagine that the hard Brexit they seek will probably see us out of the Dublin agreement and quite possibly the Le Touquet agreement.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-will-scrap-the-rules-that-let-britain-turn-back-channel-asylum-seekers-a4028526.html

"Brexit will reduce Britain’s ability to send asylum seekers who cross the Channel in unsafe dinghies back to France, a former head of immigration enforcement warned today.

Amid claims that the dangerous sea crossings will multiply unless migrants are seen being returned, the ex-senior Home Office official said leaving the EU would end current agreements designed to deter such attempts."

Add to that the fact that there is a very good chance in a no deal Brexit that the Le Touquet agreement could get torn up and our borders removed from French soil and with the added chaos at our ports it looks like the perfect opportunity for many more asylum seekers and economic migrants to find their way into the UK.
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... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all
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You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 2:25 PM

Back on topic, the Brexiteers wont be happy I imagine that the hard Brexit they seek will probably see us out of the Dublin agreement and quite possibly the Le Touquet agreement.

I can't understand what they're all so angry about......after all they keep telling everyone they "won" but they don't seem very happy at all.

Can't think why.
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 3:03 PM

... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all


Christ that bloke is a massive bell end. There is no real obligation for them to do so although there is an agreement that states they should. He should be grateful that we dont have a massive refugee crisis here and in comparison to the countries he talks about we take in hardly any refugees / asylum seekers. Somehow I dont imagine Italy is a good bet for them anymore which is likely the first country they got to or Greece which is also not safe for asylum seekers.

France would be a good choice and they have been more relaxed about asylum seekers than we have of late and generally they are looked after better there than they would be in the UK so yes there has to be a genuine reason why anyone would choose to put their lives at further risk to make that perilous last 22 mile crossing to the UK. Its not like we are giving off an impression that we welcome immigrants these days is it?
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antony1969 - 2019-01-02 3:03 PM

... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1080441323927281664 ... Why ??? ... Because they speak English Javid thats why ... They just wanna improve on their language skills ... Thats all


Christ that bloke is a massive bell end. There is no real obligation for them to do so although there is an agreement that states they should. He should be grateful that we dont have a massive refugee crisis here and in comparison to the countries he talks about we take in hardly any refugees / asylum seekers. Somehow I dont imagine Italy is a good bet for them anymore which is likely the first country they got to or Greece which is also not safe for asylum seekers.

France would be a good choice and they have been more relaxed about asylum seekers than we have of late and generally they are looked after better there than they would be in the UK so yes there has to be a genuine reason why anyone would choose to put their lives at further risk to make that perilous last 22 mile crossing to the UK. Its not like we are giving off an impression that we welcome immigrants these days is it?


Takes a "bell end" to know a "bell end" I suppose ... You live in an utter fantasy world fella ... I suppose their coming for the good old British weather ... Your "bell end" is leaking ... Drip , drip ,drip
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You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???
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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html

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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?

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You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???

I don't have any "plot" to lose......unlike you with your insults, pathetic name calling, snide innuendo's, baiting, and constantly chucking your toys out the pram.
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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........

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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........



Do you mean we cant stop anyone from entering the UK Dave? You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario. Same applies at Schengen borders. We can also stop them at our borders as well as we have proper borders which amazingly we DO have control over as long as we know they are terrorists or potential terrorists of course which again we have more chance of knowing if we are working closer with our EU security partners.

Anyone who thinks Brexit will make us safer or have more control over who comes here is sadly mistaken.
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You should have voted to remain in the EU then.

Citation is needed for your last rant which, as usual, you never provide. Over 12000 shot dead in US last year.....and that's only one country, not global. Three shot dead today...and New Years day has only just started in many states for them, yet already ended in the case of those three folk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths?page=1


How many......

Still no citation i see.....just more of the usual ranting Islamophobic bile and venom.


Nice to see you edited out my bit that shot your silly USA bit to pieces ... Very telling

I edited out your rambling bigoted rants that pepper virtually every post you make. As for your latest 'hope'.....far from it....unless you're disputing statistics provided from US sites which log them? You even included the link in posting back so well done!


Normally when you've lost the plot you throw insults and names ... Nice to see your not disappointing us all this year too ... Nice Christmas ???

I don't have any "plot" to lose......unlike you with your insults, pathetic name calling, snide innuendo's, baiting, and constantly chucking your toys out the pram.


Take it thats a no then ... Lordy , some people
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Dont worry Lord West ... Barry says they are only here to sharpen up their English ... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1080484589347500033 ... What could go wrong ... Barrys right though getting rid of illegals is a lot easier , Ahmed Ali is on his 3rd go ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6546861/Illegal-immigrant-faces-deportation-time-130mph-speed-chase.html


Hmm. A pro Leave.EU rant where the bloke is saying he is worried about terrorists getting in yet as has been shown on this thread and from the top brass at MI5 and the police that a no deal Brexit which some of you are hell bent on having will increase the possibility of terrorists entering the UK. As explained further up we will also be less able to return undesirables if we leave the Dublin agreement and in a worse position still if we lose our French side borders.

If Asylum seekers are not genuine then they should be and are rejected. I dont want criminals here or terrorists for that matter any more than you do but our own law enforcement experts are telling us that a no deal Brexit will increase that possibility. Who is going to be focusing on monitoring illegals when the country is plunged into chaos?


It's already been pointed out we cant stop anyone from entering from the EU, unless they're "known" to be planning to rob, rape, murder or carryout a terrorist atrocity .............

As was perfectly illustrated by the Islamic terrorists who traveled from Brussels to Paris ........



Do you mean we cant stop anyone from entering the UK Dave? You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario. Same applies at Schengen borders. We can also stop them at our borders as well as we have proper borders which amazingly we DO have control over as long as we know they are terrorists or potential terrorists of course which again we have more chance of knowing if we are working closer with our EU security partners.

Anyone who thinks Brexit will make us safer or have more control over who comes here is sadly mistaken.


Given youve already told us most terrorists are home grown Brits it wont matter about sharing intelligence will it ??? and given we have 20.000 on the terror watch list here in Blighty its defo not guna make any sodding difference at all ... Thought you also said No Deal was dead ???
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You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.



You mean the EU will stop us accessing GCHQ? ..........

The German, French, Spanish and Swedish intelligence services have all developed methods of mass surveillance of internet and phone traffic over the past five years in close partnership with Britain's GCHQ eavesdropping agency.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden
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You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.




Another remoaner fallacy.

This may come as a nasty shock to the brainwashed but inter governmental cooperation is not dependant on the EU.

It took place between allies long before the EU and will continue long after the EU has curled up it's toes and expired - just ask the USA.

Just as any other form of inter governmental cooperation does not need us to be members of the EU to happen

It's just a nasty excuse by Barmy Barnier and Herr Junkshop to put pressure on us to carry on subsidising their cosy lttle jobs and pensions.

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-02 6:47 PM

You cant stop an EU citizen travelling from Brussels to Paris thats for sure but can sure as hell share information from the vast array of European security databases all of which are in jeopardy in a no deal Brexit scenario.




Another remoaner fallacy.

This may come as a nasty shock to the brainwashed but inter governmental cooperation is not dependant on the EU.

It took place between allies long before the EU and will continue long after the EU has curled up it's toes and expired - just ask the USA.

Just as any other form of inter governmental cooperation does not need us to be members of the EU to happen

It's just a nasty excuse by Barmy Barnier and Herr Junkshop to put pressure on us to carry on subsidising their cosy lttle jobs and pensions.

You don't seem to realise the EU is protecting the interests of 27 countries......not just one little country which wants to run away. Effectively it's 27 countries to 1 and what with 'attacks' from invisible drones and paying out millions to a "ferry company" with no ferries and no experience in business, we haven't been doing very well have we?

Indeed we are very dependent on the EU as the cards are stacked well in their favour and it's sheer arrogance to believe any other or that the EU will simply 'curl up it's toes and expire'. Days of the British Empire are long gone and Britannia no longer rules the waves yet some folk think we still rule half the world - but we don't. Not only have we continually cut our nose to spite our face, we've even managed to divide and split up our own country!

Far from a "nasty excuse" you'd best take a read of this Parliamentary report an long term future security relationships, in particular about SIS 2, ECRIS and EIS.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmhaff/1356/135605.htm
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The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
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The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
Some of us are far less gullible.


Its what the chief commissioners of the police and our security services have said Rich not some opinion in the Guardian.

In addition to what Bullet posted we stand to lose 40 different crime fighting tools as well as membership of agencies and systems such as Europol, the EAW and Schengen II.

https://www.ft.com/content/4f833bae-bb39-11e8-8274-55b72926558f

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The only reason we think we are dependant on the EU is because the EU try to make everyone think they are dependant on the EU.
It's one of the ways the EU projects the image that they are working for our benefit and if you believe all you read about that then it is obviously working on you.
Some of us are far less gullible.


Its what the chief commissioners of the police and our security services have said Rich not some opinion in the Guardian.

In addition to what Bullet posted we stand to lose 40 different crime fighting tools as well as membership of agencies and systems such as Europol, the EAW and Schengen II.

https://www.ft.com/content/4f833bae-bb39-11e8-8274-55b72926558f



The chief commissioners of police are part of the Remoaner establishment .........

So it's hardly a surprise that they peddle the establishments propaganda ...........

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So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 9:24 AM

So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(


I take the views of all Establishment Remoaner stooges with a large pinch of salt .........

Especially as it appears we no longer have terrorists........just folk with a mental problems ........





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As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.
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As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.


Exactly Rich........do we not share intelligence with the USA ? ..........

Remoaner desperation gets more pathetic everyday ........

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 9:24 AM

So basically any expert or top security officer who has any concerns over our post Brexit safety is clearly just a remoaner rather than someone who has inside knowledge, expertise and knows all the facts? Jeez :(


Us Brexiteers are already in your view going to be responsible for all hate crimes and murders towards foreigners ... We might as well go full on and now be responsible for any terrorism carried out here after Brexit
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Exactly Rich........do we not share intelligence with the USA ? ..........

Remoaner desperation gets more pathetic everyday ........



Indeed, as far as I can tell our relationship with the USA regarding security matters will not change on 30th March, neither will the USA's relationship with any member state of the EU, or with the EU itself?

So why should our relationship with the EU change when state security is largely an individual state issue and not an overall EU matter - unless the EU decide to be obstructive?

I used to be undecided, but having seen the way the EU appears to want to see itself as an omnipotent control freak empire in control of all aspects of everyone's life, I am starting to think the sooner we are out of it the better.

The EEC was maybe a good idea in 1973 but it seems to have outlived it's original purpose and outgrown it's original role.
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As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.


They do when all the data is governed by the ECJ. Take for example The Schengen II database (one of many). It is used by police right across Europe to search for terrorist suspects and missing people and to check vehicle registrations and passport details. It contains information on 36,000 criminal suspects, 103,000 missing people and half a million non-EU citizens denied entry to Europe. Thats just one tool of 40 we stand to lose. We could keep them if we agreed to a soft Brexit with SM and CU with ECJ rule but the Brexiteers dont want to do that. Its not the EU being difficult. Its a well oiled machine developed over decades and the ECJ, Single market, Digital single market and customs union are all interlinked and out of the club you lose them all. Isnt that what you wanted?

It does however come at a price dropping all that and one of them without doubt will be security. You Brexiteers can call it remoaner propaganda as much as you like but the facts are we will lose access to all that info. We wont be able to check for example if someone trying to enter the UK is a known criminal or a suspected terrorist if that data is only held on the databases we will lose. How can that make us and our borders safer?

Its just one more aspect of how the entire ideology Brexit dream was simply not thought through and now the facts of exactly what we stand to lose are becoming ever more apparent with each passing day.
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As I have repeatedly stated - nobody needs to be in the EU to share information, security or any other, or to coperate with other governments on any matter.

Security is not an EU issue, it is a world wide issue not confined to the EU member states - or do we assume that no coperation exists between the EU and any other non member state? No wonder it is a mess?

If the EU choose to make it difficult that is purely down to the intransigence of the EU and their wish to make life as difficult as possible to discourage other leavers.

Simples.


They do when all the data is governed by the ECJ. Take for example The Schengen II database (one of many). It is used by police right across Europe to search for terrorist suspects and missing people and to check vehicle registrations and passport details. It contains information on 36,000 criminal suspects, 103,000 missing people and half a million non-EU citizens denied entry to Europe.


Well its pretty cr*p system then, seeing as we apparently have 25,000 potential terrorists just in the UK ........

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/islamist-extremists-uk-highest-number-europe-25000-terror-threat-eu-official-isis-islam-britain-a7923966.html

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 11:27 AM

They do when all the data is governed by the ECJ.



That is not a security issue, that is an ECJ issue.

Governance of the release and use of data by the ECJ is solely an EU/ECJ issue, which many people on both sides seem to conveniently want to hide behind and blame the UK for.

Or does that also mean the USA and other non EU allies are also met with the same reluctance to share 'data' and intel?

But getting EU remoaners to see that seems unlikely when in your eyes the EU can do no wrong and the UK can do no right.
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The US , Canada , New Zealand , Australia and soon to be UK aren't in the EU so how come they manage to cooperate without the need of the dying club ??? ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes ... From the link " The Five eyes relationship remains one of the most comprehensive known espionage alliances in history" ... Shut up Barry
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Oh ok then, I see. The head honchos at MI5/6 and the rozzers are just making it all up as they are all remoaners. We dont need the 40 shared EU tools and shared security databases then. The good ole USA will tell us everything thats going on in Europe instead. Thats that sorted then. Bloody UK intelligence experts huh! Clearly dont know what they are talking about. The USA is where its at clearly. They really know whats what.
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Exactly Rich........do we not share intelligence with the USA ? ..........

Remoaner desperation gets more pathetic everyday ........



Indeed, as far as I can tell our relationship with the USA regarding security matters will not change on 30th March, neither will the USA's relationship with any member state of the EU, or with the EU itself?

So why should our relationship with the EU change when state security is largely an individual state issue and not an overall EU matter - unless the EU decide to be obstructive?

I used to be undecided, but having seen the way the EU appears to want to see itself as an omnipotent control freak empire in control of all aspects of everyone's life, I am starting to think the sooner we are out of it the better.

The EEC was maybe a good idea in 1973 but it seems to have outlived it's original purpose and outgrown it's original role.

US and Europe have differing laws on data protection and EU law is more stringent than US....former CIA man Snowden and his 'wikileaks' being a good example of that.

https://www.pensar.co.uk/blog/data-protection-in-the-us-vs-europe
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US and Europe have differing laws on data protection and EU law is more stringent than US....former CIA man Snowden and his 'wikileaks' being a good example of that.



What a load of old borrox and obfuscation that does nothing to explain why the EU is so bloody minded towards the UK - unless it really is just petulance and sour grapes?
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Is everybody overlooking Interpol it's been in existence much longer than Europol and is global as opposed to Europol who seem to be parochial. If you look up Interpol you will see that they were involved in a French criminal roundup and using there global data were able to identify criminals from outside the EU. Don't take my word for it look it up for yourselves. I know which organisation I would prefer if it was a choice between them but as others have said cooperation will continue unless the EU play stupid.
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US and Europe have differing laws on data protection and EU law is more stringent than US....former CIA man Snowden and his 'wikileaks' being a good example of that.



What a load of old borrox and obfuscation that does nothing to explain why the EU is so bloody minded towards the UK - unless it really is just petulance and sour grapes?


Whats the point of having a club membership if you let any tom dick and harry in it without being a member? The UK have decided to go rogue and for reasons that are beyond most people (and countries for that matter) think we can be the only country in the world to forge ahead on WTO rules without being part of a trading bloc. Its not sour grapes, its maintaining standards. We are about to become Europe's Tramp, sitting in the corner drinking White lightning (Can you still get that?) out of a bottle in a bag while shouting over at the clean and tidy club members over the road in the shiny club house "Give us some food ya Bastas! Belch!). I think they are quite right to tell us to sod off.

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Whats the point of having a club membership if you let any tom dick and harry in it without being a member? The UK have decided to go rogue and for reasons that are beyond most people (and countries for that matter) think we can be the only country in the world to forge ahead on WTO rules without being part of a trading bloc. Its not sour grapes, its maintaining standards. We are about to become Europe's Tramp, sitting in the corner drinking White lightning (Can you still get that?) out of a bottle in a bag while shouting over at the clean and tidy club members over the road in the shiny club house "Give us some food ya Bastas! Belch!). I think they are quite right to tell us to sod off.


Whatever Bulletbrain is on you must be having some too now Barry as now you too are talking a load of old borrox!

Club membership has nothing to do with international security cooperation. I don't expect some numpties to understand that but I do expect better from you.

The UK is not going rogue, merely ceasing to contribute to a club that has outlived it's usefullness to us and were it not for the petulance of said club leaders the transition would have been smooth and seamless and it is the UK who should be telling the EU to Sodde off and pay for their own folllies not expect us to.
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US and Europe have differing laws on data protection and EU law is more stringent than US....former CIA man Snowden and his 'wikileaks' being a good example of that.



What a load of old borrox and obfuscation that does nothing to explain why the EU is so bloody minded towards the UK - unless it really is just petulance and sour grapes?

Eh??

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Barryd999 - 2019-01-03 6:35 PM

Whats the point of having a club membership if you let any tom dick and harry in it without being a member? The UK have decided to go rogue and for reasons that are beyond most people (and countries for that matter) think we can be the only country in the world to forge ahead on WTO rules without being part of a trading bloc. Its not sour grapes, its maintaining standards. We are about to become Europe's Tramp, sitting in the corner drinking White lightning (Can you still get that?) out of a bottle in a bag while shouting over at the clean and tidy club members over the road in the shiny club house "Give us some food ya Bastas! Belch!). I think they are quite right to tell us to sod off.


Whatever Bulletbrain is on you must be having some too now Barry as now you too are talking a load of old borrox!

Club membership has nothing to do with international security cooperation. I don't expect some numpties to understand that but I do expect better from you.


Eh again? Are you disputing what the parliament link i posted last night said on that?

The UK is not going rogue, merely ceasing to contribute to a club that has outlived it's usefullness to us and were it not for the petulance of said club leaders the transition would have been smooth and seamless and it is the UK who should be telling the EU to Sodde off and pay for their own folllies not expect us to.

If as you believe it's "outlived it's usefulness to us"........then why is government so anxious to take whatever it can get from it? Why have businesses continually warned of the foolishness of 'no deal' and the catastrophic damage you will do to the country and economy? The fact you've been burying your heads in the sand is the reason many have simply given up and moved their operations out of the UK......and then you talk about the EU should pay for their follies!! Couldn't make that last one up if i tried...that's hilarious....you were having a laugh weren't you?

Even that arch flag waving "patriot" Brexiter (flag of convenience) Dyson sealed the deal to build his electric cars in Singapore just days after Singapore negotiated FTA's with the EU. I wonder why? It certainly wasn't for cheap labour as Singapore has one of the highest labour rates along with the most expensive land costs for industry.
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US and Europe have differing laws on data protection and EU law is more stringent than US....former CIA man Snowden and his 'wikileaks' being a good example of that.

https://www.pensar.co.uk/blog/data-protection-in-the-us-vs-europe


"The files also make clear that GCHQ played a leading role in advising its European counterparts how to work around national laws intended to restrict the surveillance power of intelligence agencies."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden

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Seems to me GCHQ will benefit from being outside of the EU wet laws ...........

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They don't come to improve their English or the weather ... https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get ... Thats without all the help from local councils and charities of which we have many in my area ... Lordy
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Public safety video of what to do if you stumble across a young male migrant type in Dover ... https://twitter.com/Dontshutusupp/status/1082250427176050689 ... Or ya could drop em off at Barrys gaffe ... Bye bye Ireland ... https://twitter.com/lorraineSW1/status/1082265975490269185 ... Wonderful cultural enrichment

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More young French fellas fleeing the war that ravages Europe ... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6564707/Police-launch-hunt-migrants-abandoned-inflatable-boat-Kent-coast.html ... Here to help we are
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Britain has been put on the highest alert possible after intelligence reached joint chiefs of staff that a small rubber dinghy with a family of four on-board has left a secret location in France bound for Britain.

It is understood that those risking their lives in a attempt to find safety are a desperate father, mother and two terrified children all fleeing terrible oppression and persecution, and all hellbent on getting to Britain to carry out atrocities such as saving their own lives and then possibly holding down worthwhile taxpaying jobs as good and decent members of our society.

So grave and sinister is this development that Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, has taken charge of the operation to hunt the dinghy down personally, and is is believed to be aboard a naval vessel on standby ready to authorise the launch of ‘whatever force is necessary’ should it be spotted in The Channel.

Speaking to reporters invited onto the vessel to blanket-cover just how much of a dynamic figure he really is Mr Javid said: ‘This is a national emergency of immense proportions. If these four manage to get to the UK, then by my reckoning that will make a total of very nearly eight or possibly as many as ten altogether. It really is that bad!’

‘That’s why I’m out here strutting around on the high seas to ensure that Britain is kept safe from these people who would otherwise overrun us. It’s what the Daily Mail and its readership would want and expect me to do, and as I know it will play well with the electorate I do not intend to shirk my duty by missing such a golden opportunity.’

‘Oh and who knows, with a bit of luck might see you all in No. 10 in time for the Summer Season.’
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Britain has been put on the highest alert possible after intelligence reached joint chiefs of staff that a small rubber dinghy with a family of four on-board has left a secret location in France bound for Britain.

It is understood that those risking their lives in a attempt to find safety are a desperate father, mother and two terrified children all fleeing terrible oppression and persecution, and all hellbent on getting to Britain to carry out atrocities such as saving their own lives and then possibly holding down worthwhile taxpaying jobs as good and decent members of our society.

So grave and sinister is this development that Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, has taken charge of the operation to hunt the dinghy down personally, and is is believed to be aboard a naval vessel on standby ready to authorise the launch of ‘whatever force is necessary’ should it be spotted in The Channel.

Speaking to reporters invited onto the vessel to blanket-cover just how much of a dynamic figure he really is Mr Javid said: ‘This is a national emergency of immense proportions. If these four manage to get to the UK, then by my reckoning that will make a total of very nearly eight or possibly as many as ten altogether. It really is that bad!’

‘That’s why I’m out here strutting around on the high seas to ensure that Britain is kept safe from these people who would otherwise overrun us. It’s what the Daily Mail and its readership would want and expect me to do, and as I know it will play well with the electorate I do not intend to shirk my duty by missing such a golden opportunity.’

‘Oh and who knows, with a bit of luck might see you all in No. 10 in time for the Summer Season.’[/QU

Take it you still wont be putting any of those "decent" folk up Barry ... Let em go to the usual suspects ... Hypocrite
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Praise the Lord ... They made it ... https://news.sky.com/story/police-search-lorries-as-m6-shuts-between-j15-and-j16-due-to-ongoing-incident-11603101 ... More vital young male doctors and teachers fleeing the fires of France ... Anyone on here who can spare money or a room to shelter these poor darlings please step forward and help
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I thought Barry said it was easy to get rid of these chancers now ... https://news.sky.com/story/fewer-than-half-of-failed-asylum-seekers-are-removed-from-the-uk-study-says-11603672
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I thought Barry said it was easy to get rid of these chancers now ... https://news.sky.com/story/fewer-than-half-of-failed-asylum-seekers-are-removed-from-the-uk-study-says-11603672


Barry like his fellow Wets on here talk complete Tosh .........

As the FACTS PROVE ..........

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Praise the Lord they made it ... https://news.sky.com/story/border-force-seen-escorting-suspected-migrant-dinghy-into-dover-kent-11612650 ... A young child of 32 supposedly one of those rescued after fleeing war ravaged France ... Really , really good news ... Really good
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Tens of thousands of immigrants have entered the EU via Italy and Greece. They came over from Libya, mostly fit young men.

Therefore, how is it we are safer inside the EU with all of this movement of people with no ID? It has already been proven that the perpetrators of European terror attacks came in that way.

If there is to be no hard border in Ireland, that will quickly become the route of choice for asylum seekers/economic migrants.
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Desperate to reach us , too right they are ... https://news.sky.com/story/rough-crossings-the-migrants-desperate-to-reach-britain-11604892 ... Running from war in France and a fantastic benefits package here who can blame em ... I think they enrich us ... Defo
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Great ... More young male professionals who've managed to flee burning France ... https://twitter.com/Kent_999s/status/1089162447875985408 ... Heart warming stuff for a Sunday morning ... Coming to a school near you soon ... Or maybe not
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If there is to be no hard border in Ireland, that will quickly become the route of choice for asylum seekers/economic migrants.


So if the Irish Sea becomes the new UK border with the EU and no border between France and Ireland, Ireland could become the new Calais with migrant camps, increased crime and all the associated multi cultural joy that these economic migrants bring.

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Tens of thousands of immigrants have entered the EU via Italy and Greece. They came over from Libya, mostly fit young men.

Therefore, how is it we are safer inside the EU with all of this movement of people with no ID? It has already been proven that the perpetrators of European terror attacks came in that way.

If there is to be no hard border in Ireland, that will quickly become the route of choice for asylum seekers/economic migrants.




It's more likely to become the preferred smuggling route for tariff free goods from the UK to the EU.
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747 - 2019-01-20 1:02 PM

Tens of thousands of immigrants have entered the EU via Italy and Greece. They came over from Libya, mostly fit young men.

Therefore, how is it we are safer inside the EU with all of this movement of people with no ID? It has already been proven that the perpetrators of European terror attacks came in that way.

If there is to be no hard border in Ireland, that will quickly become the route of choice for asylum seekers/economic migrants.




It's more likely to become the preferred smuggling route for tariff free goods from the UK to the EU.



Agreed. The Irish (in the South) will have to sort it out. Well, the UK will not say no to a bit of Duty Free, whatever it is.

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We are not forced to give migrants access to our benefit system now Dave in case you didnt know and if they havent found work after three months we can send them home.




https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/14/home-office-policy-deport-eu-rough-sleepers-ruled-unlawful

WE CANT EVEN DEPORT THEIR BEGGARS! .........and they might even be entitled to compo if we try ........




As I understand it, the article refers to workers - not beggars.


What's new? That pair never let fact stand in the way of pumping out more of their bile and hate.


Bile and hate is the life blood of every Brexiter and cognitive dissonance makes it impossible for them to acknowledge the evidence......evidence is 'project fear' don't expect anything different....they have to be like they are otherwise they have to face up to their own faillure and only the very brave can do that...these guys on here are far from that.
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I thought Barry said it was easy to get rid of these chancers now ... https://news.sky.com/story/fewer-than-half-of-failed-asylum-seekers-are-removed-from-the-uk-study-says-11603672


Barry like his fellow Wets on here talk complete Tosh .........

As the FACTS PROVE ..........



'FACTS'' from the right wing Brexit pushing state run UK media....hardly... propaganda is all that is pumped by all the media in the UK....nothing is mentioned about the British funded wars which are causing all the refugees in the first place...not a single word....wonder why that is???

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antony1969 - 2019-01-11 6:23 AM

I thought Barry said it was easy to get rid of these chancers now ... https://news.sky.com/story/fewer-than-half-of-failed-asylum-seekers-are-removed-from-the-uk-study-says-11603672


Barry like his fellow Wets on here talk complete Tosh .........

As the FACTS PROVE ..........



'FACTS'' from the right wing Brexit pushing state run UK media....hardly... propaganda is all that is pumped by all the media in the UK....nothing is mentioned about the British funded wars which are causing all the refugees in the first place...not a single word....wonder why that is???


"Wonder" no more ... I'll tell you why that is ... It's because it's not reality but utter tosh ... "British funded wars which are causing ALL the refugees" ... Bet you believe in the tooth fairy too
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HarveyHeaven - 2019-01-28 7:52 AM

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antony1969 - 2019-01-11 6:23 AM

I thought Barry said it was easy to get rid of these chancers now ... https://news.sky.com/story/fewer-than-half-of-failed-asylum-seekers-are-removed-from-the-uk-study-says-11603672


Barry like his fellow Wets on here talk complete Tosh .........

As the FACTS PROVE ..........



'FACTS'' from the right wing Brexit pushing state run UK media....hardly... propaganda is all that is pumped by all the media in the UK....nothing is mentioned about the British funded wars which are causing all the refugees in the first place...not a single word....wonder why that is???


Right wing Brexit pushing media ??? ........

You mean like the Guardian? or the Independent? or the Evening Standard? or the BBC? .............

BTW which wars are we currently funding? ...........



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Barry , Bullhit , Silly Allen , Bob Goboff , Yvette Cooper anyone ... https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1089878534481498113 ... Desperate young men needing homes ... Please help
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747 - 2019-01-27 11:07 PM

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747 - 2019-01-20 1:02 PM

Tens of thousands of immigrants have entered the EU via Italy and Greece. They came over from Libya, mostly fit young men.

Therefore, how is it we are safer inside the EU with all of this movement of people with no ID? It has already been proven that the perpetrators of European terror attacks came in that way.

If there is to be no hard border in Ireland, that will quickly become the route of choice for asylum seekers/economic migrants.




It's more likely to become the preferred smuggling route for tariff free goods from the UK to the EU.



Agreed. The Irish (in the South) will have to sort it out. Well, the UK will not say no to a bit of Duty Free, whatever it is.




Now that could be what Arfur Daily would call a nice little earner . Tariff free out duty free in, the Irish sea could wind up being busier than the English Chanel.