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Posted: 7 January 2019 2:56 PM
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Anna Soubry being interviewed on BBC outside parliament today. Brexiteer protesters shouting abuse at Anna Soubry, calling her a "Nazi".

This country is now a divided wretched mess.

It now seems that Brexit has been hijacked and championed by Tommy Robinsons merry much of knuckle dragging racist scum who are oddly claiming Anna is the Nazi! Bussing in people to sing “Soubry is a nazi” Holding up ambulances on their way to an emergency on Westminster Bridge. What next?


https://twitter.com/SimonHasw8/status/1082281269503901696


Owewn Jones also being verbally assaulted as well, by the same rabble...

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1082256193035345920


This is what the UK has become, this is not free speech, but verbal assault, whatever you think of Anna and Owen, this is not acceptable and its not isolated incidents either.

How long before we have another Jo Cox murder on our hands?

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-07 2:57 PM
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Just heard that on the news. Utterly shameful and disgusting. Vile subhumans surface from their sewers for the day.


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Posted: 7 January 2019 3:49 PM
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It is ironic that the nearest things to Nazis that we have in the UK choose to insult others by calling them Nazis! Poor, confused, ignorant, people!
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Posted: 7 January 2019 4:00 PM
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Jones like our resident name caller on here will call anyone he disagrees with a Nazi , bigot , racist , homophobe , Islamaphobe etc etc ... Soubry like you Barry has called and insulted Boris , Farage , Rees Mogg etc etc some colourful things since the referendum ... By not mentioning the insults those 2 have thrown towards others I presume you believe that's acceptable ... By the way you have history yourself when it comes to insults etc , I believe your faves to insult are POTUS Trump and Mr Rees Mogg and I seem to remember you enjoying Geldof floating down The Thames screaming at Farage to frack off ... Hypocrite ... Just seen your other beauty on another thread "thick sh#t Brexit headbangers" ... Hypocrite

Edited by antony1969 2019-01-07 4:03 PM
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Just heard that on the news. Utterly shameful and disgusting. Vile subhumans surface from their sewers for the day.


https://tinyurl.com/yb844xbr


Hats off to them two there. They battled on with the interview like a couple of old Pro's. At least Steve Bray is funny with his signs on a stick. No doubt this rabble have probably chucked him off Westminster Bridge or something. Disgusting.
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Posted: 7 January 2019 4:12 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-01-07 4:00 PM

Jones like our resident name caller on here will call anyone he disagrees with a Nazi , bigot , racist , homophobe , Islamaphobe etc etc ... Soubry like you Barry has called and insulted Boris , Farage , Rees Mogg etc etc some colourful things since the referendum ... By not mentioning the insults those 2 have thrown towards others I presume you believe that's acceptable ... By the way you have history yourself when it comes to insults etc , I believe your faves to insult are POTUS Trump and Mr Rees Mogg and I seem to remember you enjoying Geldof floating down The Thames screaming at Farage to frack off ... Hypocrite ... Just seen your other beauty on another thread "thick sh#t Brexit headbangers" ... Hypocrite


Show me where Anna Soubry has called anyone a Nazi or a Traitor and in such a violent and threatening manner. These headbangers even gave her, a woman on her own the same aggressive treatment in the street as they just did to Owen Jones. Calling a few Brexiteer politicians on a forum Sh1t thick headbangers is hardly the same as threatening abuse to an individual is it in their face? If I had gone up to Jacob Reek Smug and got in his face and shouted he was a sh1t thick headbanger you might have a point but I would never do that. I would prefer to spend ten minutes talking to him and exposing his barmy Brexit plans to his face.

These people are crossing a line in my opinion and its only a matter of time before they take the next step,

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-07 4:13 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 3:49 PM

It is ironic that the nearest things to Nazis that we have in the UK choose to insult others by calling them Nazis! Poor, confused, ignorant, people!

The same lot of confused ignoramuses screeched Enemies of the People and sent Gina Miller death and rape threats because she dared to use judicial procedure over parliamentary approval. Same folk who'd previously been crowing they wanted "British justice being heard in British courts"......but the first taste they got of it, threw their toys out in a rage.
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Posted: 7 January 2019 4:43 PM
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If you lot think it is bad now, just wait and see what will happen if the MP's go anti democratic, and try to cancel brexit. !!!
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If you lot think it is bad now, just wait and see what will happen if the MP's go anti democratic, and try to cancel brexit. !!!
Brian B.

Legally Article 50 can be revoked or extended without permission from EU and those talking about "democracy" should be aware of that as it's been common knowledge for some time now. The referendum was advisory, not legally binding.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cancel-stop-revoke-article-50-explained-remain-stay-eu-latest-parliament-theresa-may-a8690886.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-38229344/brexit-challenge-lawyer-says-eu-referendum-not-binding

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Posted: 7 January 2019 5:14 PM
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-07 2:56 PM

Anna Soubry being interviewed on BBC outside parliament today. Brexiteer protesters shouting abuse at Anna Soubry, calling her a "Nazi".

This country is now a divided wretched mess.

It now seems that Brexit has been hijacked and championed by Tommy Robinsons merry much of knuckle dragging racist scum who are oddly claiming Anna is the Nazi! Bussing in people to sing “Soubry is a nazi” Holding up ambulances on their way to an emergency on Westminster Bridge. What next?


https://twitter.com/SimonHasw8/status/1082281269503901696


Owewn Jones also being verbally assaulted as well, by the same rabble...

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1082256193035345920


This is what the UK has become, this is not free speech, but verbal assault, whatever you think of Anna and Owen, this is not acceptable and its not isolated incidents either.

How long before we have another Jo Cox murder on our hands?


What bunch of ruddy hypocrites .........

You Remoaners like to dish it out......but you don't like it served back at you ..........

If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic Remoaners .........



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Posted: 7 January 2019 5:26 PM
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Jones like our resident name caller on here will call anyone he disagrees with a Nazi , bigot , racist , homophobe , Islamaphobe etc etc ... Soubry like you Barry has called and insulted Boris , Farage , Rees Mogg etc etc some colourful things since the referendum ... By not mentioning the insults those 2 have thrown towards others I presume you believe that's acceptable ... By the way you have history yourself when it comes to insults etc , I believe your faves to insult are POTUS Trump and Mr Rees Mogg and I seem to remember you enjoying Geldof floating down The Thames screaming at Farage to frack off ... Hypocrite ... Just seen your other beauty on another thread "thick sh#t Brexit headbangers" ... Hypocrite


Show me where Anna Soubry has called anyone a Nazi or a Traitor and in such a violent and threatening manner. These headbangers even gave her, a woman on her own the same aggressive treatment in the street as they just did to Owen Jones. Calling a few Brexiteer politicians on a forum Sh1t thick headbangers is hardly the same as threatening abuse to an individual is it in their face? If I had gone up to Jacob Reek Smug and got in his face and shouted he was a sh1t thick headbanger you might have a point but I would never do that. I would prefer to spend ten minutes talking to him and exposing his barmy Brexit plans to his face.

These people are crossing a line in my opinion and its only a matter of time before they take the next step,


A name is a name is a name Barry ... Your hypocrisy stinks ... Your basically saying its OK for you or anyone to be insulting and abusive towards Brexiteers but anyone who calls or insults a Remoaner needs exposing ... Your a hypocrite over many things but this one tops them all ... Your Brexit bitterness has damaged your sense of fair play ... Hypocrite
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Posted: 7 January 2019 5:34 PM
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thebishbus - 2019-01-07 4:43 PM
If you lot think it is bad now, just wait and see what will happen if the MP's go anti democratic, and try to cancel brexit. !!!
Brian B.

Quite possibly, but that depends on one's understanding of democracy, does it not? The real issue here is the national interest, and what best serves it.

Our MPs are elected, first and foremost, to defend the national interest. If that quest requires them to go against the wishes of some of the people, even if that be a small majority, if their judgement is that the consequences of blindly following the wishes of that small majority would be detrimental to the national interest, how would that be undemocratic?

It would obviously require a clear explanation as to why the peoples' wishes and the national interest do not coincide over the particular issue, but in the final analysis that is the job we elect them to do.

In fact, so few seem up to the job that I doubt your scenario will arise, and they will merely "bottle out" again, and hand the decision back to the public through another referendum. If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.
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pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:34 PM
If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


I can't argue with that Brian as long as the consequences of remaining in an EU whose federal one size fits all strongest subsidising the rest ambitions would probably have been bolstered by a UK vote for remain are clearly set out too.
Not that it would mean that we love the EU but by the vote for remaining in the EU being seen least worst option in the short term by an electorate brow beaten into submission by the constant bombardment of woe by the remainers.
There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Edited by Tracker 2019-01-07 5:55 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:41 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!

Laws don't apply to Pelmet.....he thinks he's exempt.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:34 PM
The real issue here is the national interest, and what best serves it.


That may be the issue for some Brian but for many in the electorate their only interest is 'what's in it for me NOW' and that has been seen many times in general elections over the years.
Short termism - with scant regard for long term strength and prosperity - something the UK excels at over the post war years.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:34 PM
If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400
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Posted: 7 January 2019 6:03 PM
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With our voting system, first past the post wins,end of . You remainers remind me of losers in third world countries, always calling foul. Grow up and accept our democracy as it is , or try to change it to what you want.
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt , my guess is its what ive just said ... Desperate stuff ... Always easier to blame someone else

Edited by antony1969 2019-01-07 6:10 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:34 PM
The real issue here is the national interest, and what best serves it.


That may be the issue for some Brian but for many in the electorate their only interest is 'what's in it for me NOW' and that has been seen many times in general elections over the years.
Short termism - with scant regard for long term strength and prosperity - something the UK excels at over the post war years.

True, oh King. I believe it's called the selfish gene? But sssshush - mustn't say that on here, as some of our more sensitive Brexiters will think they're being called selfish! Don't tell them, will you?
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-07 5:34 PM
The real issue here is the national interest, and what best serves it.


That may be the issue for some Brian but for many in the electorate their only interest is 'what's in it for me NOW' and that has been seen many times in general elections over the years.
Short termism - with scant regard for long term strength and prosperity - something the UK excels at over the post war years.

True, oh King. I believe it's called the selfish gene? But sssshush - mustn't say that on here, as some of our more sensitive Brexiters will think they're being called selfish! Don't tell them, will you?


We've been called much worse than "selfish" Brian ... You can say it loud or quiet , up to you duckie x
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pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.

Edited by Barryd999 2019-01-07 7:04 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite

Edited by antony1969 2019-01-07 7:45 PM
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.


No princess it doesnt ... It does bang on about student loans but doesnt tell us in any detail why and what those that you claim are £15k in debt have spent their cash on ... I named a few things and youve not said yes or no to any so I assume you aint got a frigging clue as usual ... More hot air
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pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite


Just about everyone now, even a lot of Brexiteers admit we will be worse off post Brexit so if for some it all wasnt ticking along nicely as you say then how is voting to make yourself poorer going to help people in poorer areas that ironically will be hit the hardest? I can see why they voted out though. Partly because they were lied to and promised something better and partly to vote against Cameron for something different. Tragic.

I Dont remember Nigel being abused apart from when he had to hide in a pub when he got abused in Scotland which was quite funny. I guess that is a bit hypocritical, soz.

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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.


No princess it doesnt ... It does bang on about student loans but doesnt tell us in any detail why and what those that you claim are £15k in debt have spent their cash on ..

Are you seriously so thick and need to have everything read back to you like a little child, or purely being your usual obtuse self?

Public spending cuts and years of wage stagnation are key reasons for the increase in unsecured debt, the TUC said, adding that working families are on average worse off today than before the financial crisis. The rise of the gig economy and zero-hours contracts are also thought to be a significant contributing factor.

Years of austerity and wage stagnation has pushed millions of families deep into the red.

O’Grady said the minimum wage, at £7.83 an hour for over-25s, remained too low and should be raised to £10 “as quickly as possible”. She also said too few workers had the power to bargain for higher wages, and trade unions must be given the freedom to enter all workplaces and organise collective wage bargaining.

Its data shows that in 1998, households faced average unsecured debts of £5,456. A decade later, just as the financial crisis was starting, that sum had doubled to £11,146. Since 2008 households have been struggling with flat or falling incomes, at a time when prices have risen fast.

In October, the Bank of England’s chief economist, Andy Haldane, said the rise of insecure work in the gig economy had fuelled a “lost decade” of wage growth in Britain.

In the same month, the Office for National Statistics said the acceleration in wages growth seen in the middle of 2018 still left real pay £11 a week lower than it was before the financial crisis erupted.
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.


No princess it doesnt ... It does bang on about student loans but doesnt tell us in any detail why and what those that you claim are £15k in debt have spent their cash on ..

Are you seriously so thick and need to have everything read back to you like a little child, or purely being your usual obtuse self?

Public spending cuts and years of wage stagnation are key reasons for the increase in unsecured debt, the TUC said, adding that working families are on average worse off today than before the financial crisis. The rise of the gig economy and zero-hours contracts are also thought to be a significant contributing factor.

Years of austerity and wage stagnation has pushed millions of families deep into the red.

O’Grady said the minimum wage, at £7.83 an hour for over-25s, remained too low and should be raised to £10 “as quickly as possible”. She also said too few workers had the power to bargain for higher wages, and trade unions must be given the freedom to enter all workplaces and organise collective wage bargaining.

Its data shows that in 1998, households faced average unsecured debts of £5,456. A decade later, just as the financial crisis was starting, that sum had doubled to £11,146. Since 2008 households have been struggling with flat or falling incomes, at a time when prices have risen fast.

In October, the Bank of England’s chief economist, Andy Haldane, said the rise of insecure work in the gig economy had fuelled a “lost decade” of wage growth in Britain.

In the same month, the Office for National Statistics said the acceleration in wages growth seen in the middle of 2018 still left real pay £11 a week lower than it was before the financial crisis erupted.


For starters I dont put much faith in anything the TUC says ... To be in debt princess means youve spent some money somewhere and if your £15k in debt like you suggest as some kind of average then youve spent a lot of money somewhere ... I'll ask again , can you show on what these folk in debt have spent money on ???
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The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite


Just about everyone now, even a lot of Brexiteers admit we will be worse off post Brexit so if for some it all wasnt ticking along nicely as you say then how is voting to make yourself poorer going to help people in poorer areas that ironically will be hit the hardest? I can see why they voted out though. Partly because they were lied to and promised something better and partly to vote against Cameron for something different. Tragic.

I Dont remember Nigel being abused apart from when he had to hide in a pub when he got abused in Scotland which was quite funny. I guess that is a bit hypocritical, soz.


What was the biggest issue with leave voters Barry ??? Immigration of course so in many voters view we weren't "ticking along nicely" ... You may have been in your unaffected village but many others weren't ... As for Nigels abuse hes had threats for years , including death threats and you seriously cant remember Gob Geldof screaming Thames abuse at him ... Why dont we pull up that old Jacob Rees Mogg thread to see what was said at the time he was attacked with his nanny and children and had some idiot saying stuff to his kids ??? The hypocrisy on here is breath taking at times

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The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite


Just about everyone now, even a lot of Brexiteers admit we will be worse off post Brexit so if for some it all wasnt ticking along nicely as you say then how is voting to make yourself poorer going to help people in poorer areas that ironically will be hit the hardest? I can see why they voted out though. Partly because they were lied to and promised something better and partly to vote against Cameron for something different. Tragic.

I Dont remember Nigel being abused apart from when he had to hide in a pub when he got abused in Scotland which was quite funny. I guess that is a bit hypocritical, soz.


What was the biggest issue with leave voters Barry ??? Immigration of course so in many voters view we weren't "ticking along nicely" ... You may have been in your unaffected village but many others weren't ... As for Nigels abuse hes had threats for years , including death threats and you seriously cant remember Gob Geldof screaming Thames abuse at him ... Why dont we pull up that old Jacob Rees Mogg thread to see what was said at the time he was attacked with his nanny and children and had some idiot saying stuff to his kids ??? The hypocrisy on here is breath taking at times


Which we now know wont ever change, that EU immigrants make the biggest contribution to our economy, more than none EU immigrants and more than native Brits over their time here. Many it seems assumed it was getting shot of all immigrants not just those from the EU so if it was the main issue then its all been for nothing.

I can remember Bob Geldof giving Farage the w***** sign on the thames.

I agree though that abuse of the kind we saw yesterday including involving Reeks children is unacceptable. Its clear many do think it is though. you should read the Daily Mail comments pages from yesterday people actually condoning and supporting this behaviour. Not seen many Brexiteers speaking out against yesterdays abuse to be fair, including on here..
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I think it did no harm for an MP to have a taste of reality in the real world as so many of them have no idea of it in their cossetted little world.

No doubt there will be calls for a Police presence around Westminster to prevent this happening again. Now that is REAL hypocrisy, considering they have reduced Police numbers by a large percentage.
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If the Anna Sourface thinks the abuse is bad now ............

Imagine what it'll be like if she manages to help thwart Brexit ...........

Surely Remoaners don't think things will return to how they were before the referendum? .........

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The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite


Just about everyone now, even a lot of Brexiteers admit we will be worse off post Brexit so if for some it all wasnt ticking along nicely as you say then how is voting to make yourself poorer going to help people in poorer areas that ironically will be hit the hardest? I can see why they voted out though. Partly because they were lied to and promised something better and partly to vote against Cameron for something different. Tragic.

I Dont remember Nigel being abused apart from when he had to hide in a pub when he got abused in Scotland which was quite funny. I guess that is a bit hypocritical, soz.


What was the biggest issue with leave voters Barry ??? Immigration of course so in many voters view we weren't "ticking along nicely" ... You may have been in your unaffected village but many others weren't ... As for Nigels abuse hes had threats for years , including death threats and you seriously cant remember Gob Geldof screaming Thames abuse at him ... Why dont we pull up that old Jacob Rees Mogg thread to see what was said at the time he was attacked with his nanny and children and had some idiot saying stuff to his kids ??? The hypocrisy on here is breath taking at times


Which we now know wont ever change, that EU immigrants make the biggest contribution to our economy, more than none EU immigrants and more than native Brits over their time here. Many it seems assumed it was getting shot of all immigrants not just those from the EU so if it was the main issue then its all been for nothing.

I can remember Bob Geldof giving Farage the w***** sign on the thames.

I agree though that abuse of the kind we saw yesterday including involving Reeks children is unacceptable. Its clear many do think it is though. you should read the Daily Mail comments pages from yesterday people actually condoning and supporting this behaviour. Not seen many Brexiteers speaking out against yesterdays abuse to be fair, including on here..


You see there you go again ... Insulting large numbers of Brexit voters "many it seems assumed it was getting shot of all immigrants" ... Your saying "many" , how many is many in your view because that's a pretty damning claim ??? ... I believe with that claim your back to calling Brexiteers either thick or racist or both yet you condemn those who call an MP a Nazi/traitor/liar ... Total hypocrisy Barry , absolutely stinks of it
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


I can't argue with that Brian as long as the consequences of remaining in an EU whose federal one size fits all strongest subsidising the rest ambitions would probably have been bolstered by a UK vote for remain are clearly set out too.
Not that it would mean that we love the EU but by the vote for remaining in the EU being seen least worst option in the short term by an electorate brow beaten into submission by the constant bombardment of woe by the remainers.
There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Who could argue with that? I think it is a bit Europhobic, but a dash of scepticism never did anyone any harm.

Subsidising the rest I think a little unfair. The idea is to accelerate their economic development through investment (mainly in infrastructure), so that they catch up more quickly with the more developed European economies, meaning their standards of living improve, so that instead of being merely the source of cheap labour and production, they become more equal and contribute to the overall wealth of Europe as a whole. Spend a bit now, to get back more in future. It's the usual reason to invest.

What concerns me is that whereas the remain camp focused on the potential downsides of Brexit, the Brexit camp gave these no acknowledgement at all, instead merely dismissing them as "project fear". The response was of emotion, not reason, and presented no intelligible counter-narrative. Where, apart from vague promises of a glorious sunset just over the horizon, is their vision for the UK post Brexit, with the amount of detail set out by the remain camp? No rationalist could ever be confident in its absence that there was such a view, let alone have confidence that it might hold water. All we got was emotion and wishful thinking set against rational, thoughtful, reason.

Those concerned about their Brexit futures are not, IMO, being scared witless, but merely invited to consider whether Brexit gives them the best economic prospects for themselves and their families. That is what sensible people should do when confronted with decisions where the heart and the head are in conflict. It is how we progress.

In the absence of wealth, none of us has choice - we just have to take what we are given. We all face such decisions from time to time - they are not optional.

In truth, if the worst decision any of us has to make is whether we should suppress some of our doubts over an organisation that we can, and have, influenced (and could still leave at any time should circumstances demand), in favour of staying with it and continuing, by our presence, to influence it and so benefit our economic stability, it is hardly the most onerous decision in history. Others have faced far more visceral decisions in the past, and many still do.
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Soubry was certainly hounded yesterday ... Anyone know who said these famous words "I want to be in a position where no Tory MP can travel anywhere without being hounded" ... He's gotta be happy with yesterday's abuse
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The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater

This is nonsense, Antony. The blame lies with the individual.

I haven't seen any posts from anyone who suggested the 17 million Brexiters were responsible for crimes of any sort - 'though I have seen a few posts that attribute some crimes to individual Brexiters.
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With our voting system, first past the post wins,end of . You remainers remind me of losers in third world countries, always calling foul. Grow up and accept our democracy as it is , or try to change it to what you want.
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This is a logical contradiction. Our democracy is based on the election of MPs to make decisions in parliament. It is not based on referendums, and the Brexit vote continues to demonstrate why.

The referendum was a catastrophic abrogation of responsibility on the part of those we elect.

I suspect many of us would like to see the electoral system changed - to one that is more sensitive to public opinion and, had this been done, it is at least arguable that the referendum would not have happened.

Under such a system the issues that underlie Brexit would have been addressed before they became so contentious. Instead, first past the post not won. Some victory!
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antony1969 - 2019-01-08 6:37 AM...……………………..What was the biggest issue with leave voters Barry ??? Immigration of course so in many voters view we weren't "ticking along nicely" ... ………………...

The perfect example!

Immigration was and is not an EU matter. Those who think it was have been misinformed.

Immigration was, and is, a UK government matter, and the migrants are here because successive Governments have chosen to let them in. They will continue to do so, because both main parties see economic advantage to allowing migrants in.

This has been stated, with supporting evidence, on this forum on any number of occasions. It is fact.
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This is a logical contradiction. Our democracy is based on the election of MPs to make decisions in parliament. It is not based on referendums, and the Brexit vote continues to demonstrate why.



This is a illogical representation of our democracy ........

So why do they bother to produce manifestos? ..........

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Immigration was and is not an EU matter. Those who think it was have been misinformed.


To what does this refer to then Brian? ..........

"Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice. EU citizens are entitled to: look for a job in another EU country."

"Free movement" is exactly the same as Immigration except there is NO CONTROL ........

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The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater

This is nonsense, Antony. The blame lies with the individual.

I haven't seen any posts from anyone who suggested the 17 million Brexiters were responsible for crimes of any sort - 'though I have seen a few posts that attribute some crimes to individual Brexiters.[/QUOT

Totally agree its nonsense but maybe youd be better telling the fella that posted the original claim
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.


No princess it doesnt ... It does bang on about student loans but doesnt tell us in any detail why and what those that you claim are £15k in debt have spent their cash on ..

Are you seriously so thick and need to have everything read back to you like a little child, or purely being your usual obtuse self?

Public spending cuts and years of wage stagnation are key reasons for the increase in unsecured debt, the TUC said, adding that working families are on average worse off today than before the financial crisis. The rise of the gig economy and zero-hours contracts are also thought to be a significant contributing factor.

Years of austerity and wage stagnation has pushed millions of families deep into the red.

O’Grady said the minimum wage, at £7.83 an hour for over-25s, remained too low and should be raised to £10 “as quickly as possible”. She also said too few workers had the power to bargain for higher wages, and trade unions must be given the freedom to enter all workplaces and organise collective wage bargaining.

Its data shows that in 1998, households faced average unsecured debts of £5,456. A decade later, just as the financial crisis was starting, that sum had doubled to £11,146. Since 2008 households have been struggling with flat or falling incomes, at a time when prices have risen fast.

In October, the Bank of England’s chief economist, Andy Haldane, said the rise of insecure work in the gig economy had fuelled a “lost decade” of wage growth in Britain.

In the same month, the Office for National Statistics said the acceleration in wages growth seen in the middle of 2018 still left real pay £11 a week lower than it was before the financial crisis erupted.


For starters I dont put much faith in anything the TUC says ... To be in debt princess means youve spent some money somewhere and if your £15k in debt like you suggest as some kind of average then youve spent a lot of money somewhere ... I'll ask again , can you show on what these folk in debt have spent money on ???

The TUC and ONS certainly have far more credibility with documenting facts than some part time roofer in Yorkshire! The contributing factors leading to debt are very clearly explained in the article and if you don't understand it it, then fine, but at least say so rather than you don't "have faith" in what they say as that suggests you do understand it.....but don't like what you see.

I would have thought as a 'supposed' business person you had some grasp of what averages mean hence the £15k figure. That doesn't mean every single household in UK. Some will have much more than that whilst others will have less. I don't have any debt at all. Not because i'm 'loaded' but because i cannot afford debt simple as that. I'm lucky in that owning a house outright i have an asset so worst case scenario i could always sell or raise cash on that.....other people are not so lucky. Some less fortunate, living rented, maybe faced job losses, end up getting kicked out after being unable to meet payments. There's a varying number of reasons people end up in debt and i know from an ex-work colleague it's a damn sight easier to fall into debt than what it is to get out of it.
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If that should prove the case, I just hope they do a proper job of explaining what the consequences of Brexit are likely to be for the future living standards of our fellow countrymen under all presently available scenarios: no deal, Teresa's deal, and remain.


There are many people who do not like the EU but with families, mortgages and credit card debt to protect they are justifiably scared witless for their own futures by the scare mongering tactics of the campaign to date.

Now at a record high with an average household over £15k in debt and nationally the amount is a staggering £428 billion.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/07/average-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400


£15k in debt ... phones , cars , mortgages they cant keep up with , holidays , clothes , eating out ??? Your not telling us why they are in debt.

The article did.....if only you'd bothered to read it instead of guessing and assuming.


No princess it doesnt ... It does bang on about student loans but doesnt tell us in any detail why and what those that you claim are £15k in debt have spent their cash on ..

Are you seriously so thick and need to have everything read back to you like a little child, or purely being your usual obtuse self?

Public spending cuts and years of wage stagnation are key reasons for the increase in unsecured debt, the TUC said, adding that working families are on average worse off today than before the financial crisis. The rise of the gig economy and zero-hours contracts are also thought to be a significant contributing factor.

Years of austerity and wage stagnation has pushed millions of families deep into the red.

O’Grady said the minimum wage, at £7.83 an hour for over-25s, remained too low and should be raised to £10 “as quickly as possible”. She also said too few workers had the power to bargain for higher wages, and trade unions must be given the freedom to enter all workplaces and organise collective wage bargaining.

Its data shows that in 1998, households faced average unsecured debts of £5,456. A decade later, just as the financial crisis was starting, that sum had doubled to £11,146. Since 2008 households have been struggling with flat or falling incomes, at a time when prices have risen fast.

In October, the Bank of England’s chief economist, Andy Haldane, said the rise of insecure work in the gig economy had fuelled a “lost decade” of wage growth in Britain.

In the same month, the Office for National Statistics said the acceleration in wages growth seen in the middle of 2018 still left real pay £11 a week lower than it was before the financial crisis erupted.


For starters I dont put much faith in anything the TUC says ... To be in debt princess means youve spent some money somewhere and if your £15k in debt like you suggest as some kind of average then youve spent a lot of money somewhere ... I'll ask again , can you show on what these folk in debt have spent money on ???

The TUC and ONS certainly have far more credibility with documenting facts than some part time roofer in Yorkshire! The contributing factors leading to debt are very clearly explained in the article and if you don't understand it it, then fine, but at least say so rather than you don't "have faith" in what they say as that suggests you do understand it.....but don't like what you see.

I would have thought as a 'supposed' business person you had some grasp of what averages mean hence the £15k figure. That doesn't mean every single household in UK. Some will have much more than that whilst others will have less. I don't have any debt at all. Not because i'm 'loaded' but because i cannot afford debt simple as that. I'm lucky in that owning a house outright i have an asset so worst case scenario i could always sell or raise cash on that.....other people are not so lucky. Some less fortunate, living rented, maybe faced job losses, end up getting kicked out after being unable to meet payments. There's a varying number of reasons people end up in debt and i know from an ex-work colleague it's a damn sight easier to fall into debt than what it is to get out of it.


Posting up your financial situation as some sort of deflection wont cut it ... I ask again , what have those you say are in debt purchased to put them in debt ??? Your eager enough to tell us folk are in debt but cant back up why ??? ... I have asked a few times now and you've produced nothing other than summat to do with a roofer in Yorkshire rubbish
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Immigration was and is not an EU matter. Those who think it was have been misinformed.


To what does this refer to then Brian? ..........

"Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice. EU citizens are entitled to: look for a job in another EU country."

"Free movement" is exactly the same as Immigration except there is NO CONTROL ........

All answered in the links Brian opened this thread with..........but you never read them did you? They UK gov......why won't you read them?

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Posting up your financial situation as some sort of deflection wont cut it ... I ask again , what have those you say are in debt purchased to put them in debt ??? Your eager enough to tell us folk are in debt but cant back up why ??? ... I have asked a few times now and you've produced nothing other than summat to do with a roofer in Yorkshire rubbish

Ok it's obvious now you're just trolling for the sake of being ridiculously obtuse. I post a linked article so i'm just the messenger. I'm not playing your silly game just to entertain your childish strops.
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Posting up your financial situation as some sort of deflection wont cut it ... I ask again , what have those you say are in debt purchased to put them in debt ??? Your eager enough to tell us folk are in debt but cant back up why ??? ... I have asked a few times now and you've produced nothing other than summat to do with a roofer in Yorkshire rubbish

Ok it's obvious now you're just trolling for the sake of being ridiculously obtuse. I post a linked article so i'm just the messenger. I'm not playing your silly game just to entertain your childish strops.


I'll translate you've posted a link and you've made a Hollywood claim that you cant back up so now your reverting back to normal with insults ... It of course would have been easier to just say "I don't know" to my question
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747 - 2019-01-08 8:08 AM
I think it did no harm for an MP to have a taste of reality in the real world as so many of them have no idea of it in their cossetted little world.
No doubt there will be calls for a Police presence around Westminster to prevent this happening again. Now that is REAL hypocrisy, considering they have reduced Police numbers by a large percentage.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more strongly with this sentiment. Of course it does harm. It is no more than a mob trying to shout down a viewpoint they don't like. How are we to arrive at answers to difficult questions if opposing viewpoints are not to be heard? Do we just fight it out on the streets, and accept that he with the biggest weapon wins - until, of course, someone arrives with a bigger weapon? Are all issues then to be decided with an arms race, war, or what?

Besides which, a slogan chanting fascist (by their actions) mob calling one of the least right wing MPs in the Conservative party a Nazi, hardly inspires confidence in their powers of reason, does it? So why/how should we defer to their intellects?

This was no "dose of reality" - though it may be what is to become reality. Is everyone now supposed to expect a baying mob to greet them when they arrive to do their jobs? Or should we reserve the mob greeting just for those who take on jobs that place them in the public arena, while expecting them to "listen" to us?

If so, who then is to do those jobs, and under what conditions? Do we want normal people to enter politics, or only those who are prepared to run a mob gauntlet? Should they then all come and go incognito, from guarded locations, being hidden from public view in case the mob turns violent and decides, as was the case with the murderer of Jo Cox, that they should be eliminated? Is this to be the new model for a "civilised" society?
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If the Anna Sourface thinks the abuse is bad now ............
Imagine what it'll be like if she manages to help thwart Brexit ...........
Surely Remoaners don't think things will return to how they were before the referendum? .........

In which case, surely Brexiters don't think things will return to how they were before the referendum? And what then? We shall all really have lost our country. For what?
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pelmetman - 2019-01-07 5:14 PM...…………….If you do manage stop Brexit .......don't be surprised if there is murder on the streets........and it'll be the fault of you anti democratic remoaners ......…

The only person who can be responsible for murder is the murderer. Trying to enter a defence that one's victim disagreed with you over the national interest, and called you something you didn't like, just wouldn't work!


You obviously didn't see or maybe you did and conveniently didn't post when Barry the other day blamed all 17 million leave voters for any hate crime/murder he could associate with Brexit ... 17 million to blame not just the hater


I think I listed more than murder and hate crime as a consequence of Brexit where the blame lies totally at the feet of those who pushed for it. If we dont leave and there is violence as a result its still the fault of those that instigated Brexit. None of it would have happened without all this nonsense starting.

The UK was ticking along fairly nicely before all this. Yes we had our problems but as will be soon revealed they will pale into insignificance once this sh1tstorm gets underway. Its already happening as you can see. Up until the referendum was announced your average Joe cited EU membership way down the list of their concerns. Once it was announced and the Brexpress and Mail got properly stuck in it was priority number 1.

Be careful what you wish for because whichever way we go we are fooked as a nation now.


No Barry thats the problem for you Remoaners ... The UK wasn't "ticking along fairy nicely before all this" , if it was 52% of folk wouldnt have voted to leave ... Your little village might have been ticking along nicely but for many their areas weren't , you find that hard to accept ... Back on topic princess , where was your abuse concern when Nigel Farage was receiving left wing abuse for years and years ... Thats right Barry it dint bother ya ... Hypocrite


Just about everyone now, even a lot of Brexiteers admit we will be worse off post Brexit so if for some it all wasnt ticking along nicely as you say then how is voting to make yourself poorer going to help people in poorer areas that ironically will be hit the hardest? I can see why they voted out though. Partly because they were lied to and promised something better and partly to vote against Cameron for something different. Tragic.

I Dont remember Nigel being abused apart from when he had to hide in a pub when he got abused in Scotland which was quite funny. I guess that is a bit hypocritical, soz.


What was the biggest issue with leave voters Barry ??? Immigration of course so in many voters view we weren't "ticking along nicely" ... You may have been in your unaffected village but many others weren't ... As for Nigels abuse hes had threats for years , including death threats and you seriously cant remember Gob Geldof screaming Thames abuse at him ... Why dont we pull up that old Jacob Rees Mogg thread to see what was said at the time he was attacked with his nanny and children and had some idiot saying stuff to his kids ??? The hypocrisy on here is breath taking at times


Which we now know wont ever change, that EU immigrants make the biggest contribution to our economy, more than none EU immigrants and more than native Brits over their time here. Many it seems assumed it was getting shot of all immigrants not just those from the EU so if it was the main issue then its all been for nothing.

I can remember Bob Geldof giving Farage the w***** sign on the thames.

I agree though that abuse of the kind we saw yesterday including involving Reeks children is unacceptable. Its clear many do think it is though. you should read the Daily Mail comments pages from yesterday people actually condoning and supporting this behaviour. Not seen many Brexiteers speaking out against yesterdays abuse to be fair, including on here..


You see there you go again ... Insulting large numbers of Brexit voters "many it seems assumed it was getting shot of all immigrants" ... Your saying "many" , how many is many in your view because that's a pretty damning claim ??? ... I believe with that claim your back to calling Brexiteers either thick or racist or both yet you condemn those who call an MP a Nazi/traitor/liar ... Total hypocrisy Barry , absolutely stinks of it


How is it insulting to say that Immigration was the major issue behind Brexit? Brian just quoted you saying the same thing. It was (is) but has been pointed out to you several times the government had the power to control immigration and chose not to. I think there has been a tendency for Brexiteers to deny that immigration was the key issue behind Brexit post vote but lets face it, it was. Ive lost count of the number of posts I saw across social media regarding kicking out immigrants regardless of where they were from.

And lets not forget the infamous "Turkey is joining the EU and 80 millions Turks are on their way". They even had it put up on a road sign in Newcastle. Complete lie but clearly a vote winner along with the "Take back control of our borders".
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Immigration was and is not an EU matter. Those who think it was have been misinformed.

To what does this refer to then Brian? ..........

"Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice. EU citizens are entitled to: look for a job in another EU country."

"Free movement" is exactly the same as Immigration except there is NO CONTROL ........

Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.

You plainly haven't read DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC to which I previously gave links. I suggest you do, because that gives the nuts and bolts of how the principle is to be realised. If you do, you'll be able to answer your own question, and will see that your claim that free movement = no control is the complete opposite of reality.

As I have said, seemingly endlessly, the UK has control of its borders, but its governments have chosen not to apply the controls. You have been told, and believed, fairy stories.
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Posting up your financial situation as some sort of deflection wont cut it ... I ask again , what have those you say are in debt purchased to put them in debt ??? Your eager enough to tell us folk are in debt but cant back up why ??? ... I have asked a few times now and you've produced nothing other than summat to do with a roofer in Yorkshire rubbish

Ok it's obvious now you're just trolling for the sake of being ridiculously obtuse. I post a linked article so i'm just the messenger. I'm not playing your silly game just to entertain your childish strops.


I'll translate.....

So will i. You're back to being your obtuse pedantic self looking for some kind of 'argument' which was never there, can't attack the posted article because your reading isn't up to scratch, so attack the messenger instead! There are numerous and varied reasons people end up in debt and i've already stated that very clearly but you seem unable to even grasp that! You engage the most ludicrous and childish arguing i've ever come across on forums. Go and fix some tiles....check those on your head which must have worked loose! You'll end up with mould growth!
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If the Anna Sourface thinks the abuse is bad now ............
Imagine what it'll be like if she manages to help thwart Brexit ...........
Surely Remoaners don't think things will return to how they were before the referendum? .........

In which case, surely Brexiters don't think things will return to how they were before the referendum? And what then? We shall all really have lost our country. For what?

When (and if!) Brexiters achieve their dystopian 'dream'.......just who are they going to blame for their woes when they can't blame the EU?
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Posting up your financial situation as some sort of deflection wont cut it ... I ask again , what have those you say are in debt purchased to put them in debt ??? Your eager enough to tell us folk are in debt but cant back up why ??? ... I have asked a few times now and you've produced nothing other than summat to do with a roofer in Yorkshire rubbish

Ok it's obvious now you're just trolling for the sake of being ridiculously obtuse. I post a linked article so i'm just the messenger. I'm not playing your silly game just to entertain your childish strops.


I'll translate.....

So will i. You're back to being your obtuse pedantic self looking for some kind of 'argument' which was never there, can't attack the posted article because your reading isn't up to scratch, so attack the messenger instead! There are numerous and varied reasons people end up in debt and i've already stated that very clearly but you seem unable to even grasp that! You engage the most ludicrous and childish arguing i've ever come across on forums. Go and fix some tiles....check those on your head which must have worked loose! You'll end up with mould growth!


You seem.to enjoy arguing with said child , so much so you feel the need to hunt down his home address and memorise word for word posts he made over 7 years ago ... I presume I'm the nearest thing to a child you have any contact with
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Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........

There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

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How is it insulting to say that Immigration was the major issue behind Brexit? Brian just quoted you saying the same thing. It was (is) but has been pointed out to you several times the government had the power to control immigration and chose not to. I think there has been a tendency for Brexiteers to deny that immigration was the key issue behind Brexit post vote but lets face it, it was. Ive lost count of the number of posts I saw across social media regarding kicking out immigrants regardless of where they were from.

And lets not forget the infamous "Turkey is joining the EU and 80 millions Turks are on their way". They even had it put up on a road sign in Newcastle. Complete lie but clearly a vote winner along with the "Take back control of our borders".

It's fair to say that not all Brexit voters are racist or xenophobic.....but certainly all racists and xenophobes voted Brexit.
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How is it insulting to say that Immigration was the major issue behind Brexit? Brian just quoted you saying the same thing. It was (is) but has been pointed out to you several times the government had the power to control immigration and chose not to. I think there has been a tendency for Brexiteers to deny that immigration was the key issue behind Brexit post vote but lets face it, it was. Ive lost count of the number of posts I saw across social media regarding kicking out immigrants regardless of where they were from.

And lets not forget the infamous "Turkey is joining the EU and 80 millions Turks are on their way". They even had it put up on a road sign in Newcastle. Complete lie but clearly a vote winner along with the "Take back control of our borders".

It's fair to say that not all Brexit voters are racist or xenophobic.....but certainly all racists and xenophobes voted Brexit.


More Brexit abuse from the usual suspect ..........

Only another 80 days to go Dumb Dumb.......so best make the most of it ........

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747 - 2019-01-08 8:08 AM
I think it did no harm for an MP to have a taste of reality in the real world as so many of them have no idea of it in their cossetted little world.
No doubt there will be calls for a Police presence around Westminster to prevent this happening again. Now that is REAL hypocrisy, considering they have reduced Police numbers by a large percentage.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more strongly with this sentiment. Of course it does harm. It is no more than a mob trying to shout down a viewpoint they don't like. How are we to arrive at answers to difficult questions if opposing viewpoints are not to be heard? Do we just fight it out on the streets, and accept that he with the biggest weapon wins - until, of course, someone arrives with a bigger weapon? Are all issues then to be decided with an arms race, war, or what?

Besides which, a slogan chanting fascist (by their actions) mob calling one of the least right wing MPs in the Conservative party a Nazi, hardly inspires confidence in their powers of reason, does it? So why/how should we defer to their intellects?

This was no "dose of reality" - though it may be what is to become reality. Is everyone now supposed to expect a baying mob to greet them when they arrive to do their jobs? Or should we reserve the mob greeting just for those who take on jobs that place them in the public arena, while expecting them to "listen" to us?

If so, who then is to do those jobs, and under what conditions? Do we want normal people to enter politics, or only those who are prepared to run a mob gauntlet? Should they then all come and go incognito, from guarded locations, being hidden from public view in case the mob turns violent and decides, as was the case with the murderer of Jo Cox, that they should be eliminated? Is this to be the new model for a "civilised" society?


The only damage Brian was to the pride of an MP. one who can be very outspoken herself on matters. I think the use of 'a baying mob' is a bit dramatic.

As I said in my earlier post, there has been no instant reaction to the knife murders in some of our big Cities. No instant action against the violence in our Prisons. So can I conclude (as you always do) that it is the new norm and you are quite happy about it?

The incident was filmed, so that it could be instantly uploaded (OK, it was for the promotion of one person, the obnoxious Mr Goddard) and was a 'stunt', nothing more, nothing less. An opportunity that seemingly has worked very well.
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Remoaner Abuse ...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6573025/Theresa-condemns-violent-threats-abuse-hurled-MPs-outside-Parliament.html

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Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........
There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

I've no idea which cases you are referring to, but I note that you refer to cases "in our courts". So, if the UK has no control, how is it that the cases are being tried in UK courts, under UK law? Where is the EU influence?
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Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........
There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

I've no idea which cases you are referring to, but I note that you refer to cases "in our courts". So, if the UK has no control, how is it that the cases are being tried in UK courts, under UK law? Where is the EU influence?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/eu-rules-stopped-britain-deporting-murders-rapists-and-violent-c/

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747 - 2019-01-09 3:13 PM...............….The only damage Brian was to the pride of an MP. one who can be very outspoken herself on matters. I think the use of 'a baying mob' is a bit dramatic.

As I said in my earlier post, there has been no instant reaction to the knife murders in some of our big Cities. No instant action against the violence in our Prisons. So can I conclude (as you always do) that it is the new norm and you are quite happy about it?

The incident was filmed, so that it could be instantly uploaded (OK, it was for the promotion of one person, the obnoxious Mr Goddard) and was a 'stunt', nothing more, nothing less. An opportunity that seemingly has worked very well.

Outspoken yes, but not so far as I am aware to the extent of gathering a gang around her to harass her opponents and shouting in their faces from a couple of feet away. This was no debate, just crude intimidation. Did you actually see the film, or just the reports?

Whether or not one agrees with her, she is an elected MP and should be treated with respect, just as you or I should be treated, left or right, male or female, white or other, religious or not, whatever our sexual orientation; not bawled out on the pretext that it gives us a "taste of reality". What reality is that, please?

What relevance has the upsurge to knife crime to that, or to the drug addled violence of our prisons? The issue that gave rise to the harassment of Anna Soubry was her position on Brexit. How on earth does knife crime or prison violence bear on Brexit?

So no, you should not conclude that I think those issues are the new norm, nor that I "always" take that view - whatever that may mean.

What I do think is that neither issue has the remotest connection to Brexit, and neither gives anyone the slightest excuse for harassing an MP for being forthright in her views about Brexit - or anything else. Peoples' dissenting views should first be heard, and then politely challenged, not offensively shouted down.

It was good that the incident was filmed to expose the appalling way that group sought to silence the views of others with whom they disagree. One doesn't win an argument by intimidatory shouting, one wins it by having a better argument.
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You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?
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You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?


Mr Davies told BBC News: 'Like a lot of MPs on all sides of the [Brexit] argument, I've been subjected to abuse, threats and malicious allegations.

'It has been going on a long time. So the camera is to protect me and for evidential purposes.

'During the last couple of interviews I've done, I've had people swearing, threatening to find where I live and I've been called scum.

'I've had flag poles shoved in my face and if I have to push objects out of the way, people have made allegations that I've grabbed them.

'So now I switch on the camera every time I walk up and down to College Green.'

So unless you see the evidence from Mr Davies camera you wont believe him? .........

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The hypocrisy from the usuals is breath taking , because one of theirs has had some names thrown her way its the end of the world yet they are quite happy to stay silent , laugh at or blame the victim of abuse if a Brexiteer ... Utter hypocrites
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-09 5:20 PM



You do realise that most of the article you posted refers to the recent abuse from these far right thugs along with an unverified claim of a remainer calling some MP fat.

Until I start seeing video footage of remainers chasing and aggressively abusing women on their own then it would appear the real abuse and threatening behaviour is only coming from one side. Why am I not surprised?


Mr Davies told BBC News: 'Like a lot of MPs on all sides of the [Brexit] argument, I've been subjected to abuse, threats and malicious allegations.

'It has been going on a long time. So the camera is to protect me and for evidential purposes.

'During the last couple of interviews I've done, I've had people swearing, threatening to find where I live and I've been called scum.

'I've had flag poles shoved in my face and if I have to push objects out of the way, people have made allegations that I've grabbed them.

'So now I switch on the camera every time I walk up and down to College Green.'

So unless you see the evidence from Mr Davies camera you wont believe him? .........



No I wont Dave. Im not saying he is lying but there are cameras everywhere. You cant pick your nose outside of westminster if your a polly without someone filming it and putting it on Facebook. Why are we just hearing about his abuse now I wonder? Surely someone would have witnessed it and its almost certain to have been caught on camera.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-08 3:01 PM
Wrong, as I have repeatedly explained, with chapter and verse. You seem not to understand the difference between a principle (OED: "a fundamental basis of a system of thought or belief"), which expresses a desire, and the means through which it is to be realised.
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Yes you are ..........
There have been numerous examples in our courts to PROVE we have NO CONTROL .........

I've no idea which cases you are referring to, but I note that you refer to cases "in our courts". So, if the UK has no control, how is it that the cases are being tried in UK courts, under UK law? Where is the EU influence?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/06/eu-rules-stopped-britain-deporting-murders-rapists-and-violent-c/
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Well, yes, Dominic Raab and the Daily Gruff getting a bit hysterical at referendum time! Not quite what one might expect from an international lawyer - even if he is an ardent Brexiter!

He cheats (as, with his background, he knew full well he was doing) by bundling together a disparate group of 50 convicted criminals for maximum anti-EU effect. See what I mean about manipulation?

It is impossible to comment on 50 individual cases, with at least 50 special pleadings to be taken into account heard, it seems, in various courts, and in any case I'm not a lawyer. So, here's a link to some people who are: http://tinyurl.com/yc5a6prz It gives the least biased explanation I could find of who can do what to whom, when, under what circumstances.

What seems to me to emerge is that some aspects of current UK law make it difficult to extradite EU "nationals".

For example, we frequently "parole" prisoners, on the ground that they no longer present a public threat. The EU judges have upheld appeals against deportation of paroled prisoners on the ground that if the UK judges them safe to release, it can hardly claim them to be such a threat to the public that they are worthy of deportation. Seems a fair argument to me.

In other cases EU judges have held that it is not right to apply a blanket deportation rule post imprisonment because such rules do not take account of individual circumstances, and that deportation should only follow imprisonment if it is judged (with supporting evidence) that the individual remains a threat. Again, this seems fair enough to me.

There are additional conditions that involve duration of residence, so that after 10 years UK residence it becomes substantially more difficult to legally deport, or where the prisoner has dependents living in the UK, especially children who have been born in UK and would have little knowledge of their native language or culture. Maybe, maybe not, depending on the crime, and the capacity of the individual to reform.

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.

It is also clear that a umber of deportations were thwarted because the cases brought against them were incompetent - something the for which EU cannot be blamed. So, difficult, but demonstrably far from impossible. However, lawyers are well paid, so should be up to their jobs. It therefore seems futile to argue that the fault in these cases lies with the EU, and not with the competence of the lawyers the UK chose to put up to support their cases.

I don't expect you to like this, because you seem to think that the UK should be able to chuck out whoever it chooses to chuck out, on whatever pretext it decides appropriate, without the right to appeal.

I disagree, and consider the checks and balances reasonable and proportionate even if they do mean we are obliged to retain a few individuals we would probably all be happier to wave bye-bye.

The right to summarily imprison, release, or deport individuals died along with the divine right of Kings when Charles 1st's head was removed by Cromwell. Since then, we have developed a democracy based on the rule of law. It can never be perfect, but it works well in the great majority of cases, and realistically, that is the best that can be expected. It is far better IMO than placing unbridled faith in "the state" to behave reasonably when irritated by those it considers a nuisance, or in the rule of the mob.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
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As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-09 6:56 PM
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747 - 2019-01-09 3:13 PM...............….The only damage Brian was to the pride of an MP. one who can be very outspoken herself on matters. I think the use of 'a baying mob' is a bit dramatic.

As I said in my earlier post, there has been no instant reaction to the knife murders in some of our big Cities. No instant action against the violence in our Prisons. So can I conclude (as you always do) that it is the new norm and you are quite happy about it?

The incident was filmed, so that it could be instantly uploaded (OK, it was for the promotion of one person, the obnoxious Mr Goddard) and was a 'stunt', nothing more, nothing less. An opportunity that seemingly has worked very well.

Outspoken yes, but not so far as I am aware to the extent of gathering a gang around her to harass her opponents and shouting in their faces from a couple of feet away. This was no debate, just crude intimidation. Did you actually see the film, or just the reports?

Whether or not one agrees with her, she is an elected MP and should be treated with respect, just as you or I should be treated, left or right, male or female, white or other, religious or not, whatever our sexual orientation; not bawled out on the pretext that it gives us a "taste of reality". What reality is that, please?

What relevance has the upsurge to knife crime to that, or to the drug addled violence of our prisons? The issue that gave rise to the harassment of Anna Soubry was her position on Brexit. How on earth does knife crime or prison violence bear on Brexit?

So no, you should not conclude that I think those issues are the new norm, nor that I "always" take that view - whatever that may mean.

What I do think is that neither issue has the remotest connection to Brexit, and neither gives anyone the slightest excuse for harassing an MP for being forthright in her views about Brexit - or anything else. Peoples' dissenting views should first be heard, and then politely challenged, not offensively shouted down.

It was good that the incident was filmed to expose the appalling way that group sought to silence the views of others with whom they disagree. One doesn't win an argument by intimidatory shouting, one wins it by having a better argument.


Your seeming acceptance of a 2 tier Society is showing Brian.

An MP gets shouted at and you are up in arms about it. A sharp rise in murder and violent crime has not elicited a peep out of you. I am talking about a change in Society, not Brexit. I have made absolutely no comment on Brexit in this thread. I am not bothered what the outcome of Brexit is, I am too worried at the prospect of a Marxist UK under Comrade Corbyn (which looks inevitable).

The hoohah outside Parliament is symptomatic of a fractured Society. Brexit has only amplified what was already happening.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-09 10:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-09 6:54 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........We haven't left yet .........and when we do I will follow the Spanish rules for non EU citizens ..........

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pelmetman - 2019-01-09 10:38 PM

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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

law

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Besides I doubt the NHS are bothered by us folk who spend our time abroad not being a burden on them .......


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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.

Edited by Bulletguy 2019-01-09 11:23 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

You wouldn't still be up at this hour if you had as it's way past your 'normal' hour.....you've been in turmoil since late afternoon.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-09 6:37 PM

However, despite these detailed restrictions, it seems the UK managed to deport 5,301 EU citizens in 2017 for, among other things, such heinous crimes as rough sleeping, so it can hardly a) be impossible and b) the case that the other 5,300 were all drug traffickers, rapists and murderers.
.


As I understand it the number we managed to deport was 6,500 via the European arrest warrant .......

Which means the EU "allowed" us to deport their citizens who were "wanted" for crimes in other countries! .......

You really couldn't make this EU sh*t it up .........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-deported-6500-criminals-past-8021322

Your rabid obsession over deportation from UK has more than a touch of irony about it coming from a bloke currently flouting this countries regulation in order to overstay in Spain. Your faux 'concern' is not so much about criminality but more about them being non-British. This is very clear as you never post about British citizens engaging similar criminality either here or in another country....almost as though British have some kind of specialty or exemption.

I think this arrogance is partly what's led you to believe you are above the law in conniving ways to overstay in Spain. You want 'specialty' and feel entitled to be exempt from laws/regulations you don't particularly care for, but want applied to any 'johnny foreigner' in UK.

The one point i'd agree with is "you really couldn't make this sh1t up"......apart from Pelmethead.


I'm not flouting the law am I........

Yes....NHS regulations 2004.


Get your dictionary out Bullet .......

I said Law ........

It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.


It's just as well I came home for Christmas then .........

You wouldn't still be up at this hour if you had as it's way past your 'normal' hour.....you've been in turmoil since late afternoon.


Fancy a bet? ..........

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Yes....NHS regulations 2004.



It's no good using pedantry to excuse your abuse. By remaining out of the UK for 3 months or longer you cease to be eligible for NHS treatment. It's also a government legislation so is law.

Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Edited by 747 2019-01-10 5:38 PM
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.
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Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........



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Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.
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747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


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Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........



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Posted: 11 January 2019 3:44 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-11 8:27 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 11:44 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-10 10:45 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 7:23 PM

747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:15 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-10 10:45 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 7:23 PM

747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-11 4:17 PM
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:27 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 11:44 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-10 10:45 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 7:23 PM

747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........

You've run out of straws to clutch at.
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:45 PM
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Posted: 11 January 2019 4:47 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-01-10 10:45 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-10 7:23 PM

747 - 2019-01-10 5:36 PM
Not necessarily so I'm afraid Mr Bulletman.

I worked overseas for sometimes 6 months at a time, often 3 months or more. I was classed as 'not normally resident' (for Tax purposes) yet I was fully entitled to NHS treatment. There were other Benefits that I was not entitled to but Medical treatment was not one of them.

Exceptions are those working overseas such as you were and forces personnel. When my son was based in Germany, the same as you applied to him though his car had to comply to the German TUV and fitted with genuine LHD light units (deflectors wouldn't 'cut it'). Pelmet isn't working overseas...he's attempting to circumvent a UK regulation he thinks 'doesn't apply' to him which it won't in Spain...but it does apply on a persons re-entry back into UK. It's not what i say....it's what the DoH say and i'm more than willing to pm you copy of their letter if you want to peruse. The regulation has been in place some time, just that it's not been enforced before.....now it's going to be. Brexit has highlighted it and it's just one of many points Brexiters (unwittingly) voted for so you could call it Brexit "good news".....depending on your view. Obviously Pelmet feels it's not very "good news" for him.


Doesn't seem to bother my doctor ..........

He should know better though i'm aware some turn a blind eye. That doesn't excuse your activities though.


If it doesn't bother my Spanish NHS doctor......then it doesn't bother me ..........

The fact that it bothers you is a bonus ..........

My reply related to GP's here in UK, not Spain though i'm sure you knew that.

As to public healthcare in Spain, that is very clearly stated it is for the use of residents in Spain. The majority of ex-pat British who genuinely reside in Spain, sign up to Spains state healthcare paying a monthly fee. Sitting in a motorhome on a campsite for a few months does not qualify as resident unless you have applied for permanent residency there, in which case you lose UK residential status. You cannot have it both ways which is what you want since you've seen how leaving the EU is going to affect your long term stays in Spain.

The only exception at the current time is for those staying temporarily in Spain with an EHIC card....but that's as long as UK remains an EU member state.

What you do doesn't "bother me" as much as what it should you (and anyone with a conscience, would), as i know the only way you will learn is when authorities eventually catch you out. You really take hypocrisy to another level and even appear to be proud of flouting regulations for your own ends, yet regularly condemn those doing exactly the same here in UK with the NHS, which you yourself are in contempt of.

https://www.expatica.com/es/healthcare/general-healthcare/healthcare-system-101467/


Like I said ......the fact it annoys you is a Brexit bonus .........

BTW I said my Spanish ***NHS*** doctor ...........

You've run out of straws to clutch at.


...........

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You really shouldn't encourage Dobbin Antony ..........

He's doesn't need any help to make an Ass of himself .........

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antony1969 - 2019-01-11 4:45 PM

When ya get yaself a bunny boiler ... Dob Dave in ... Dob Dave in ... Dob Dave in


You really shouldn't encourage Dobbin Antony ..........

He's doesn't need any help to make an Ass of himself .........



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I hope nobody does "Dob Dave in". Im kinda looking forward to him running around Spain and Europe as an illegal immigrant fugitive. We could put some kind of google maps tracker on him and hold a sweepstake on here as to how he will come a cropper and get caught. Will it be when one of his wheels falls off on whatever dodgy vehicle he is moving about in and local plod catches up with him? Will it be when some disgruntled German decides he wants his pitch on Stalag Luft Costa ACSI campsite and calls in the authorities who demand to look at his "papers"? or maybe he will drink too much plonk and cause a punch up in Sweaty Betty's Ingerlishhh Bar and Grill and get carted off by the rozzers who will fine and deport him and sell his truck for scrap?

I get the impression he flies under the radar though and just sits on the beach all day making sand castles drinking Cava stopping only to bash away on here on his tablet. I would stick a few Spanish flags or even EU ones in the castles though Dave instead of Union Jacks or Ingerlaaand ones though. Blend in better.
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-12 12:06 PM

I hope nobody does "Dob Dave in". Im kinda looking forward to him running around Spain and Europe as an illegal immigrant fugitive. We could put some kind of google maps tracker on him and hold a sweepstake on here as to how he will come a cropper and get caught. Will it be when one of his wheels falls off on whatever dodgy vehicle he is moving about in and local plod catches up with him? Will it be when some disgruntled German decides he wants his pitch on Stalag Luft Costa ACSI campsite and calls in the authorities who demand to look at his "papers"? or maybe he will drink too much plonk and cause a punch up in Sweaty Betty's Ingerlishhh Bar and Grill and get carted off by the rozzers who will fine and deport him and sell his truck for scrap?

I get the impression he flies under the radar though and just sits on the beach all day making sand castles drinking Cava stopping only to bash away on here on his tablet. I would stick a few Spanish flags or even EU ones in the castles though Dave instead of Union Jacks or Ingerlaaand ones though. Blend in better.


Seeing as the Spanish plod know exactly where I am, and for how long ..........

I'd hardly say I was under the radar ..........

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pelmetman - 2019-01-12 12:50 PM

Barryd999 - 2019-01-12 12:06 PM

I hope nobody does "Dob Dave in". Im kinda looking forward to him running around Spain and Europe as an illegal immigrant fugitive. We could put some kind of google maps tracker on him and hold a sweepstake on here as to how he will come a cropper and get caught. Will it be when one of his wheels falls off on whatever dodgy vehicle he is moving about in and local plod catches up with him? Will it be when some disgruntled German decides he wants his pitch on Stalag Luft Costa ACSI campsite and calls in the authorities who demand to look at his "papers"? or maybe he will drink too much plonk and cause a punch up in Sweaty Betty's Ingerlishhh Bar and Grill and get carted off by the rozzers who will fine and deport him and sell his truck for scrap?

I get the impression he flies under the radar though and just sits on the beach all day making sand castles drinking Cava stopping only to bash away on here on his tablet. I would stick a few Spanish flags or even EU ones in the castles though Dave instead of Union Jacks or Ingerlaaand ones though. Blend in better.


Seeing as the Spanish plod know exactly where I am, and for how long ..........

I'd hardly say I was under the radar ..........



Just so you know, we havent left yet. Maybe they wont give a toss after we have Dave I dunno. Only time will tell. Assuming you can get insurance for more than there months I suspect if your going to get collared it will be when you leave at the border, if you leave through Spain maybe they wont care, who knows?
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747 - 2019-01-09 8:22 PM...............…..The hoohah outside Parliament is symptomatic of a fractured Society. Brexit has only amplified what was already happening.

Yes, I agree. But, I don't think it will do anything to fix the fracture. In fact, I think it will further exacerbate it.

No, I haven't rushed to lament the outbreak of stabbings around the country: is it really necessary to do so? Why would you assume that not commenting implies indifference? I see no point in commenting on things that I can't influence. I can't imagine those involved read this forum.