May leaves diplomats in 'disbelief' with unchanged Brexit demands
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Posted: 20 January 2019 5:04 PM
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The insanity continues....

May has left European diplomats in a state of “disbelief” following a series of phone calls to EU leaders in which she made no change to her demands despite her Brexit plan being voted down by a 230-vote margin this week.

Senior EU diplomatic sources said that Mrs May’s unchanged stance was “greeted with incredulity” following a call with the German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday night.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/
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Posted: 20 January 2019 5:27 PM
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Good for her.

As the UK parliament, not the PM, has rejected the deal the EU offered why should Mrs May on behalf of the UK parliament change her stance?

If the EU is serious about not penalising the UK for leaving their very expensive club it is now up to the EU to offer a better deal - one that our MPs are more likely to accept.

Better the EU puts forward a workable deal than predictably bitching about how it's all our fault, but as we always suspected and now know the EU is not about to make anything easy for anyone who wants to leave.
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Posted: 20 January 2019 5:43 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-20 5:27 PM

Good for her.

Except it's this countries future at stake......and though her future certainly is, it's not all about her even though she might think it is. Her stubborn inflexibility is doing untold damage to the country already in an unholy mess which will further increase the suffering of many less well off through years of draconian austerity....something she announced last year was "at an end"....that's how deluded and out of touch she is.

She will live out her time with the comforts a hefty pension and severance brings.....the rest will not.
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Posted: 20 January 2019 5:54 PM
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She is either quite mad or is deliberately being defiant in the hope that it will all go tits up and be taken out of her hands where we will end up either with a second vote or just no Brexit. If she was actually keen on delivering Brexit she would drop her red lines and to hell with the ERG who can just sod off and join UKIP with Tommy Robinson which lets face it is where they belong, I might even consider voting Tory again if that happens although I doubt it. Or she has truly gone Brexit bonkers. I Cant tell, I just cant read her.

The EU wont shift much on her deal and especially the backstop and Ireland definitely wont shift on the back stop which is the main issue with her deal and you cannot blame the EU and especially Ireland for that, the UK cannot be trusted so it will remain as will all the other elements that stop us going back on what we agreed.

So its destined for failure. It is as dead as Antony's knob! (Well he had a go about mine the other day innit)

looks like Dominic Grieve has a very good shot at wrestling control away from her anyway with his amendment (although he has more than one apparently).

An interesting time ahead for sure.
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Posted: 20 January 2019 5:56 PM
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What Richard said about your other angry anti-Brexit rant in your other riveting thread
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Posted: 20 January 2019 6:22 PM
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Bullshoutguy and Barmy just can't see that Mrs May is doing no more than parliament instructed her to do by rejecting the 'best' separation deal that the EU offered the UK and she is now looking for a better deal with the wishes of parliament as backing so why would she not ask for the impossible as an opening negotiation stance.

In their blind panic rush to remain at all costs b & b denigrate anything that anyone else says or does that does not coincide with their bias to such an extent that their views as part of a constructive debate are totally worthless.


Edited by Tracker 2019-01-20 6:24 PM
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Posted: 20 January 2019 6:37 PM
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Well said Tracker. She is doing her job (alone, against 27 countries).

The EU is inflexible, so we are heading closer to a 'no deal' situation ...... who will blink first?
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Posted: 20 January 2019 7:06 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-20 6:22 PM

Bullshoutguy and Barmy just can't see that Mrs May is doing no more than parliament instructed her to do by rejecting the 'best' separation deal that the EU offered the UK and she is now looking for a better deal with the wishes of parliament as backing so why would she not ask for the impossible as an opening negotiation stance.

In their blind panic rush to remain at all costs b & b denigrate anything that anyone else says or does that does not coincide with their bias to such an extent that their views as part of a constructive debate are totally worthless.


No she isnt. She is just trying to push through the same crappy deal. If she wants any chance of getting any kind of deal through Parliament she needs to find out what they will accept and its going to mean her dumping a lot of her red lines such as accepting CM and SM probably.

With any luck it will be taken out of her hands shortly anyway
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Posted: 20 January 2019 7:09 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-20 6:22 PM

Bullshoutguy and Barmy just can't see that Mrs May is doing no more than parliament instructed her to do by rejecting the 'best' separation deal that the EU offered the UK and she is now looking for a better deal with the wishes of parliament as backing so why would she not ask for the impossible as an opening negotiation stance.

In their blind panic rush to remain at all costs b & b denigrate anything that anyone else says or does that does not coincide with their bias to such an extent that their views as part of a constructive debate are totally worthless.

Now Trickster i really think you have taken leave of what last bit of sense you might have had with that remark!! "Blind panic......at all costs"??!!!

Remind me again, exactly who has been rushing headlong into an abyss of uncertainty with zero exit strategy, not to mention trying to drag the rest of us over the edge with you, businesses relocating, thousands of people thrown out of work, £billions in banking gone......and even paying double the amount per week of our EU costs for the "privilege" of shooting ourselves in the foot and committing financial suicide. Even all your "leaders" ran away like rats from a sinking ship once the partying was over.

"Blind panic"? Yep....check.

"At all costs"? Yep.....dam right there! Brexiters have done a great job of creating years more austerity and turning the country into an financial basket case.
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Posted: 20 January 2019 7:49 PM
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C'mon Bullsh#t just remind us all who it is that is making Brexit such hard work - Barmy Barmier at the behest of Junkhead by refusing to set up a normal relationship like those the EU appears to have with other trading nations so why should we accept their restrictive terms, other than to keep our own backward looking clods happy?
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Posted: 20 January 2019 8:18 PM
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Tracker - 2019-01-20 7:49 PM

C'mon Bullsh#t just remind us all who it is that is making Brexit such hard work - Barmy Barmier at the behest of Junkhead...

That shoots down what bit of credibility you might have had. When struggling with your back to the wall, resort to rhetoric by intentional misspelling.....a common default usage on forum debate regularly used by a couple of suspects.
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Posted: 20 January 2019 11:02 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 8:18 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-20 7:49 PM

C'mon Bullsh#t just remind us all who it is that is making Brexit such hard work - Barmy Barmier at the behest of Junkhead...

That shoots down what bit of credibility you might have had. When struggling with your back to the wall, resort to rhetoric by intentional misspelling.....a common default usage on forum debate regularly used by a couple of suspects.


For Gods sake stop your whining and grow a pair.
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Posted: 21 January 2019 8:30 AM
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747 - 2019-01-20 11:02 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-20 8:18 PM

Tracker - 2019-01-20 7:49 PM

C'mon Bullsh#t just remind us all who it is that is making Brexit such hard work - Barmy Barmier at the behest of Junkhead...

That shoots down what bit of credibility you might have had. When struggling with your back to the wall, resort to rhetoric by intentional misspelling.....a common default usage on forum debate regularly used by a couple of suspects.


For Gods sake stop your whining and grow a pair.


He wouldn't know what to do with them if he did .............

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Posted: 21 January 2019 12:49 PM
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747 - 2019-01-20 11:02 PM
For Gods sake stop your whining and grow a pair.


If only!

He can only speak 'em not grow 'em!!