Doominic is doomed.........
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Posted: 21 January 2019 10:19 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6613605/ANDREW-PIERCE-Tories-Dominic-Grieves-Brexit-backing-constituency-planning-oust-him.html

Paybacks a b*tch........Brexiteers will not grieve for him .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-21 10:26 AM
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Posted: 21 January 2019 1:19 PM
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He surely knows deselection was on the cards if he continued to pursue what he thinks is best for Britain. I rather admire him for that. But then I've always been a fan because he has one of the best brains in the country. He can earn way more doing his day job as a QC. I also doubt that he's the only MP of a Brexit majority constituency to disagree with PM's deal.
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 1:19 PM

He surely knows deselection was on the cards if he continued to pursue what he thinks is best for Britain. I rather admire him for that. But then I've always been a fan because he has one of the best brains in the country. He can earn way more doing his day job as a QC. I also doubt that he's the only MP of a Brexit majority constituency to disagree with PM's deal.

Yes Grieves talks sense but Brexiters have always struggled in comprehending logic.
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Posted: 21 January 2019 4:34 PM
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I dont know if he will succeed but its not "plotting" as The Fail likes to suggest. He is behaving like a true statesman and putting his country first before himself or party. Good for him he is doing his job.
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Barryd999 - 2019-01-21 4:34 PM

I dont know if he will succeed but its not "plotting" as The Fail likes to suggest. He is behaving like a true statesman and putting his country first before himself or party. Good for him he is doing his job.

Anyone not dancing to the Brexit tune is seen as a renegade or plotter. Brexiters are determined to have their Facist state of Brexit rule at the cost of destroying what's left of the country.
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The majority of his constituents voted leave despite all his attempts to persuade them it was a very bad idea. A former Attorney General with direct experience of how the EU works and how Britain rarely comes a cropper in the ECJ. I am flabbergasted that they thought they knew better than he did about how complex Brexit would be and those who failed to listen to him when he rubbished the idea that the EU was somehow to blame for the perceived problems with ‘human rights’. I am also sad that they prefer trash in the Daily Mail and the like to his wise counsel.
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 6:04 PM

The majority of his constituents voted leave despite all his attempts to persuade them it was a very bad idea. A former Attorney General with direct experience of how the EU works and how Britain rarely comes a cropper in the ECJ. I am flabbergasted that they thought they knew better than he did about how complex Brexit would be and those who failed to listen to him when he rubbished the idea that the EU was somehow to blame for the perceived problems with ‘human rights’. I am also sad that they prefer trash in the Daily Mail and the like to his wise counsel.


Maybe they were aware but still wanted out. Maybe they looked upon him having a vested interest in staying in the EU. Maybe he was offered inducements by the EU/ECJ to take his stance.
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And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.
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Posted: 21 January 2019 9:29 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I prefer to live in a motorhome ..........

It's quite apt though that a criminal defense lawyer is defending the EU .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-21 9:30 PM
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Never been a criminal defence lawyer Dave, you and 747 seem to have making wild guesses in common. I have some pelmets even though.
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Never been a criminal defence lawyer Dave, you and 747 seem to have making wild guesses in common. I have some pelmets even though.


I was referring to Doominic ..........

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Posted: 21 January 2019 11:02 PM
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:42 PM

Never been a criminal defence lawyer Dave, you and 747 seem to have making wild guesses in common. I have some pelmets even though.


I was referring to Doominic ..........



Look up what the Attorney General is responsible for Dave.
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And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 11:08 PM

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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!
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Posted: 22 January 2019 8:43 AM
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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:42 PM

Never been a criminal defence lawyer Dave, you and 747 seem to have making wild guesses in common. I have some pelmets even though.


I was referring to Doominic ..........



Look up what the Attorney General is responsible for Dave.


Was he not a criminal advocate? .............

Kinda makes him the perfect person to defend the EU ..........

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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........

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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........



So what? Its not tax payers money and he was there to speak at a conference paid for by two different groups. Its hardly the trip of a lifetime two nights in a hotel in Paris speaking at a conference and HAVING to take your wife FFS! Never take your wife to a conference. Just sayin. and £750 for two including travel and accommodation sounds a bit budget to me, he wont have been in the Ritz for sure. All the items in that list seem to be funded by other people and not the tax payer. If someone wants to send a helicopter to pick up a key speaker for a conference / dinner or whatever then thats their lookout. Whats wrong with that?





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Violet1956 - 2019-01-21 9:16 PM

And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........



So what? Its not tax payers money and he was there to speak at a conference paid for by two different groups. Its hardly the trip of a lifetime two nights in a hotel in Paris speaking at a conference and HAVING to take your wife FFS! Never take your wife to a conference. Just sayin. and £750 for two including travel and accommodation sounds a bit budget to me, he wont have been in the Ritz for sure. All the items in that list seem to be funded by other people and not the tax payer. If someone wants to send a helicopter to pick up a key speaker for a conference / dinner or whatever then thats their lookout. Whats wrong with that?





"all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society"

European study tours obviously has a vested interest in staying in the EU ........and Erasmus is taxpayer funded ..........

Erasmus+ is the European Union programme for education, training, youth and sport, which aims to boost skills and employability as well as modernise education, training, and youth work and promote innovation, entrepreneurship and employability across Europe.

It has a budget of approximately €14.7 billion (£12 billion) across Europe to help more than four million people to study, train, gain work experience or volunteer abroad. It also supports transnational partnerships between education, training and youth organisations as well as grassroots sport projects. Almost €1 billion will be allocated to the UK over seven years, where it is expected to enable around 250,000 people to take part. The British Council manages the Erasmus+ programme in the UK, in partnership with Ecorys UK.

It's always nice to know who's funding your Remoaner Mouthpieces .........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-22 10:20 AM
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And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........



So what? Its not tax payers money and he was there to speak at a conference paid for by two different groups. Its hardly the trip of a lifetime two nights in a hotel in Paris speaking at a conference and HAVING to take your wife FFS! Never take your wife to a conference. Just sayin. and £750 for two including travel and accommodation sounds a bit budget to me, he wont have been in the Ritz for sure. All the items in that list seem to be funded by other people and not the tax payer. If someone wants to send a helicopter to pick up a key speaker for a conference / dinner or whatever then thats their lookout. Whats wrong with that?





"all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society"

European study tours obviously has a vested interest in staying in the EU ........and Erasmus is taxpayer funded ..........

Erasmus+ is the European Union programme for education, training, youth and sport, which aims to boost skills and employability as well as modernise education, training, and youth work and promote innovation, entrepreneurship and employability across Europe.

It has a budget of approximately €14.7 billion (£12 billion) across Europe to help more than four million people to study, train, gain work experience or volunteer abroad. It also supports transnational partnerships between education, training and youth organisations as well as grassroots sport projects. Almost €1 billion will be allocated to the UK over seven years, where it is expected to enable around 250,000 people to take part. The British Council manages the Erasmus+ programme in the UK, in partnership with Ecorys UK.

It's always nice to know who's funding your Remoaner Mouthpieces .........



So its funded by the EU and a private company. Its an excellent program and tragic that we will lose it. I am sure Mr Grieve being the clever man he is made a valuable contribution to what is clearly a popular and excellent project and its good to see that the costs of him attending and speaking at said conference are within reasonable limits. Go and try and book a weekend in Paris, with travel, see what it costs you.
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And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........



So what? Its not tax payers money and he was there to speak at a conference paid for by two different groups. Its hardly the trip of a lifetime two nights in a hotel in Paris speaking at a conference and HAVING to take your wife FFS! Never take your wife to a conference. Just sayin. and £750 for two including travel and accommodation sounds a bit budget to me, he wont have been in the Ritz for sure. All the items in that list seem to be funded by other people and not the tax payer. If someone wants to send a helicopter to pick up a key speaker for a conference / dinner or whatever then thats their lookout. Whats wrong with that?





"all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society"

European study tours obviously has a vested interest in staying in the EU ........and Erasmus is taxpayer funded ..........

Erasmus+ is the European Union programme for education, training, youth and sport, which aims to boost skills and employability as well as modernise education, training, and youth work and promote innovation, entrepreneurship and employability across Europe.

It has a budget of approximately €14.7 billion (£12 billion) across Europe to help more than four million people to study, train, gain work experience or volunteer abroad. It also supports transnational partnerships between education, training and youth organisations as well as grassroots sport projects. Almost €1 billion will be allocated to the UK over seven years, where it is expected to enable around 250,000 people to take part. The British Council manages the Erasmus+ programme in the UK, in partnership with Ecorys UK.

It's always nice to know who's funding your Remoaner Mouthpieces .........



So its funded by the EU and a private company. Its an excellent program and tragic that we will lose it. I am sure Mr Grieve being the clever man he is made a valuable contribution to what is clearly a popular and excellent project and its good to see that the costs of him attending and speaking at said conference are within reasonable limits. Go and try and book a weekend in Paris, with travel, see what it costs you.


Yeah it's nice to know we're paying for the trip on the EU gravy train for him and his Mrs to speak to the converted ..........

No doubt you miss getting your snout in that trough? ...........



Edited by pelmetman 2019-01-22 12:17 PM
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Paranoia is alive and well and stalking Brexitland!

The more that serious people give good reasons why Brexit will be damaging for the UK, the more Brexiters resort to slur and/or character assassination of said serious people. No doubt it gives momentary comfort, like whistling in the dark, but it doesn't engage with the central arguments. Why is that?

I find one factor in debate seriously worrying, which is the emergence of the north-south divide as a driver of Brexit. There seems to be a sentiment in some northern quarters that the south is in need of a sharp lesson, and Brexit will deliver it. Its proponents seem to think that harming themselves is worthwhile so long as it also harms "the south". I've no idea how widespread this idea is, but it is apparent on this forum. Have others noticed? Can anyone explain?
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 1:04 PM

The more that serious people give good reasons why Brexit will be damaging for the UK, the more Brexiters resort to slur and/or character assassination of said serious people. No doubt it gives momentary comfort, like whistling in the dark, but it doesn't engage with the central arguments. Why is that?


Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ............

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And the evidence to support your suspicions about his character and integrity is to be found where 747? Moreover I would struggle to find any of his constituents who have a better knowledge or intellect that he has, myself included having lived in it for the past 26 years.


I base my evidence on the various examples of Parliamentary skullduggery and the inventive expense claims of MPs. Also the remarks of a retired Senior Special Branch Officer who saw their antics and sometimes had to cover them up. He looked upon many of them as the lowest form of life.


And your evidence regarding Mr Grieve's skullduggery and inventive expense claims is to be found where 747?

When a post is peppered with "maybe's" and zero citation it's safe to say it's based on pure conjecture and very little else!


"Just before Valentine’s Day last year the Register of Members’ Interests shows then-Attorney General Dominic Grieve took his wife on a paid-for trip to Paris, from February 6 to 8.

The £750 tab included return Eurostar train travel and two nights’ accommodation, all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society.

The purpose of the trip was to speak at the Your Future in Europe conference.


The Sunday Mirror asked Mr Grieve why it was necessary to spend two nights in a hotel with his wife, rather than immediately return on the train.

We received no response."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grasping-mps-claim-800000-freebies-7364113

I wonder how many EU freebies he'll get if he manages to prevent Brexit? ..........



So what? Its not tax payers money and he was there to speak at a conference paid for by two different groups. Its hardly the trip of a lifetime two nights in a hotel in Paris speaking at a conference and HAVING to take your wife FFS! Never take your wife to a conference. Just sayin. and £750 for two including travel and accommodation sounds a bit budget to me, he wont have been in the Ritz for sure. All the items in that list seem to be funded by other people and not the tax payer. If someone wants to send a helicopter to pick up a key speaker for a conference / dinner or whatever then thats their lookout. Whats wrong with that?





"all paid for by European Study Tours and the Erasmus Educational Society"

European study tours obviously has a vested interest in staying in the EU ........and Erasmus is taxpayer funded ..........

Erasmus+ is the European Union programme for education, training, youth and sport, which aims to boost skills and employability as well as modernise education, training, and youth work and promote innovation, entrepreneurship and employability across Europe.

It has a budget of approximately €14.7 billion (£12 billion) across Europe to help more than four million people to study, train, gain work experience or volunteer abroad. It also supports transnational partnerships between education, training and youth organisations as well as grassroots sport projects. Almost €1 billion will be allocated to the UK over seven years, where it is expected to enable around 250,000 people to take part. The British Council manages the Erasmus+ programme in the UK, in partnership with Ecorys UK.

It's always nice to know who's funding your Remoaner Mouthpieces .........



So its funded by the EU and a private company. Its an excellent program and tragic that we will lose it. I am sure Mr Grieve being the clever man he is made a valuable contribution to what is clearly a popular and excellent project and its good to see that the costs of him attending and speaking at said conference are within reasonable limits. Go and try and book a weekend in Paris, with travel, see what it costs you.


Yeah it's nice to know we're paying for the trip on the EU gravy train for him and his Mrs to speak to the converted ..........

No doubt you miss getting your snout in that trough? ...........



Not really, I had some good gigs on both government and EU funded projects but I wont miss it as much as those that need it will.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 1:04 PM

Paranoia is alive and well and stalking Brexitland!

The more that serious people give good reasons why Brexit will be damaging for the UK, the more Brexiters resort to slur and/or character assassination of said serious people. No doubt it gives momentary comfort, like whistling in the dark, but it doesn't engage with the central arguments. Why is that?

I find one factor in debate seriously worrying, which is the emergence of the north-south divide as a driver of Brexit. There seems to be a sentiment in some northern quarters that the south is in need of a sharp lesson, and Brexit will deliver it. Its proponents seem to think that harming themselves is worthwhile so long as it also harms "the south". I've no idea how widespread this idea is, but it is apparent on this forum. Have others noticed? Can anyone explain?


The sad factor is that its generally poor areas that voted out and the poorer they were the higher the vote but it's not just in the north. However the North will suffer the most. Durham for example was comfortably remain but Middlesbrough was massively Brexit. If you have been to both it should be easy to work out which will suffer the most in a 16% loss of GDP in the region which will be the worst in the uk. I don't blame them, I blame Cameron and the Tory Kippers and hand on heart I hope the forecasts are wrong but sadly I don't think they will be.

If they wanted to stick it to the shandy drinking elitist suvverners in "That London" they should have voted remain really as the only ones getting rich off the back of this is the hedge funders, media moguls, tax avoiders and Jacob reek smug :(

The north has shot itself in the face, the south maybe the leg.

I've been invited to a Brexit debate in a bit of a dodgy northern town so it will be interesting to see what they think now. When I went to the "is it worth it rally" in Durham it was a complete luvvie remoaner fest but a handful of hard core Brexiteers turned up with Brexit at any cost t shirts on. They were alright actually once they realised it was a friendly event and they were asked to speak. I wonder if they will be there and still support Brexit at any cost. People need to lose the emotions. You can't eat them.

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pelmetman - 2019-01-22 1:24 PM
1.........…….Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

2 There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

3 Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ...........

1 Perfectly, as you endlessly prove.

2 It is the businesses themselves who say that is the reason.

3 But, OTOH, they have said it is one of the reasons for the move.

You can pretend all you wish, but the UK is an expensive place to manufacture, and Brexit would make it more so for many firms. So, any large manufacturing exporter is bound to consider where is the most economical place to site its production. If it finds lower labour costs, and cheaper land in the EU but outside the UK, and if Brexit would further increase the cost of UK production, why would it not site is next major manufacturing base outside the UK but inside the EU, as JLR (among others) has confirmed it intends doing?

What then happens to the JLR jobs? What happens to their workers' homes? What happens to the local shops now the workers are redundant? What happens to the government and local authority tax income they generated? What happens to the local schools and health services those taxes currently buy? How many JLR vehicles will those less wealthy workers now buy? What happens to the dealers who used to sell them? What happens to the garages that used to service and repair them?

That is just JLR. What about the other companies that are making similar announcements? You have your eyes closed and your ears covered.
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So after much research, and possibly a very nice Rioja, this is all you can come up with on Dominic Grieve Dave. I'd give you one pat on the back for that one.
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Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 3:10 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 1:24 PM
1.........…….Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

2 There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

3 Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ...........

1 Perfectly, as you endlessly prove.

2 It is the businesses themselves who say that is the reason.

3 But, OTOH, they have said it is one of the reasons for the move.

You can pretend all you wish, but the UK is an expensive place to manufacture, and Brexit would make it more so for many firms. So, any large manufacturing exporter is bound to consider where is the most economical place to site its production. If it finds lower labour costs, and cheaper land in the EU but outside the UK, and if Brexit would further increase the cost of UK production, why would it not site is next major manufacturing base outside the UK but inside the EU, as JLR (among others) has confirmed it intends doing?

What then happens to the JLR jobs? What happens to their workers' homes? What happens to the local shops now the workers are redundant? What happens to the government and local authority tax income they generated? What happens to the local schools and health services those taxes currently buy? How many JLR vehicles will those less wealthy workers now buy? What happens to the dealers who used to sell them? What happens to the garages that used to service and repair them?

That is just JLR. What about the other companies that are making similar announcements? You have your eyes closed and your ears covered.


If things are so dire........ why have we got the best employment since 1975? ..........and why are wages growing at the fastest rate for over a decade? ..........

You really do need to take your fingers out of your ears and remove the blinkers .......

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pelmetman - 2019-01-22 10:32 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 3:10 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 1:24 PM
1.........…….Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

2 There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

3 Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ...........

1 Perfectly, as you endlessly prove.

2 It is the businesses themselves who say that is the reason.

3 But, OTOH, they have said it is one of the reasons for the move.

You can pretend all you wish, but the UK is an expensive place to manufacture, and Brexit would make it more so for many firms. So, any large manufacturing exporter is bound to consider where is the most economical place to site its production. If it finds lower labour costs, and cheaper land in the EU but outside the UK, and if Brexit would further increase the cost of UK production, why would it not site is next major manufacturing base outside the UK but inside the EU, as JLR (among others) has confirmed it intends doing?

What then happens to the JLR jobs? What happens to their workers' homes? What happens to the local shops now the workers are redundant? What happens to the government and local authority tax income they generated? What happens to the local schools and health services those taxes currently buy? How many JLR vehicles will those less wealthy workers now buy? What happens to the dealers who used to sell them? What happens to the garages that used to service and repair them?

That is just JLR. What about the other companies that are making similar announcements? You have your eyes closed and your ears covered.


If things are so dire........ why have we got the best employment since 1975? ..........and why are wages growing at the fastest rate for over a decade? ..........

You do realise that just one hour per week is counted as employment.....including self-employed and those who had a job they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work?

How else do you think government get these amazing "employment" figures for dummies like you to swallow the hype?

You really do need to take your fingers out of your ears and remove the blinkers .......

You certainly do.....and get that wax syringed out as well.
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 10:49 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 10:32 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 3:10 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 1:24 PM
1.........…….Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

2 There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

3 Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ...........

1 Perfectly, as you endlessly prove.

2 It is the businesses themselves who say that is the reason.

3 But, OTOH, they have said it is one of the reasons for the move.

You can pretend all you wish, but the UK is an expensive place to manufacture, and Brexit would make it more so for many firms. So, any large manufacturing exporter is bound to consider where is the most economical place to site its production. If it finds lower labour costs, and cheaper land in the EU but outside the UK, and if Brexit would further increase the cost of UK production, why would it not site is next major manufacturing base outside the UK but inside the EU, as JLR (among others) has confirmed it intends doing?

What then happens to the JLR jobs? What happens to their workers' homes? What happens to the local shops now the workers are redundant? What happens to the government and local authority tax income they generated? What happens to the local schools and health services those taxes currently buy? How many JLR vehicles will those less wealthy workers now buy? What happens to the dealers who used to sell them? What happens to the garages that used to service and repair them?

That is just JLR. What about the other companies that are making similar announcements? You have your eyes closed and your ears covered.


If things are so dire........ why have we got the best employment since 1975? ..........and why are wages growing at the fastest rate for over a decade? ..........

You do realise that just one hour per week is counted as employment.....including self-employed and those who had a job they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work?

How else do you think government get these amazing "employment" figures for dummies like you to swallow the hype?

You really do need to take your fingers out of your ears and remove the blinkers .......

You certainly do.....and get that wax syringed out as well.


Seems to be plenty of work available for those who want to work more than 1 hour a week ..........

You really do need to get your quack to give you some happy pills Bullet ...........

Although I'm beginning to think Remoaners are only happy when they're miserable .....

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pelmetman - 2019-01-22 11:14 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 10:49 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 10:32 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-01-22 3:10 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-22 1:24 PM
1.........…….Are you serious? ...........There is NO PROOF Brexit will damage the UK .........

2 There is only Remoaners trying to blame the fact that big businesses are relocating to low wage economies on Brexit .............

3 Has JLR said they wouldn't move work to Slovakia if Brexit was cancelled?......NO! ...........

1 Perfectly, as you endlessly prove.

2 It is the businesses themselves who say that is the reason.

3 But, OTOH, they have said it is one of the reasons for the move.

You can pretend all you wish, but the UK is an expensive place to manufacture, and Brexit would make it more so for many firms. So, any large manufacturing exporter is bound to consider where is the most economical place to site its production. If it finds lower labour costs, and cheaper land in the EU but outside the UK, and if Brexit would further increase the cost of UK production, why would it not site is next major manufacturing base outside the UK but inside the EU, as JLR (among others) has confirmed it intends doing?

What then happens to the JLR jobs? What happens to their workers' homes? What happens to the local shops now the workers are redundant? What happens to the government and local authority tax income they generated? What happens to the local schools and health services those taxes currently buy? How many JLR vehicles will those less wealthy workers now buy? What happens to the dealers who used to sell them? What happens to the garages that used to service and repair them?

That is just JLR. What about the other companies that are making similar announcements? You have your eyes closed and your ears covered.


If things are so dire........ why have we got the best employment since 1975? ..........and why are wages growing at the fastest rate for over a decade? ..........

You do realise that just one hour per week is counted as employment.....including self-employed and those who had a job they were temporarily away from, those on government-supported training and employment programmes, and those doing unpaid family work?

How else do you think government get these amazing "employment" figures for dummies like you to swallow the hype?

You really do need to take your fingers out of your ears and remove the blinkers .......

You certainly do.....and get that wax syringed out as well.


Seems to be plenty of work available for those who want to work more than 1 hour a week ..........

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........





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pelmetman - 2019-01-23 9:43 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........

Many of those jobs were previously done by people from EU but you wanted them out. Seems like you're the one trying to have it both ways in believing 'employment is at it's highest' without fully understanding the consequence of massaging figures, only to now totally contradict yourself.

The only distortion of fact is what i've shown you as to how government make these amazing claims and sell it to the gullible as truthful fact when it's obviously not.
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Posted: 23 January 2019 10:34 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-23 7:18 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 9:43 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........

Many of those jobs were previously done by people from EU but you wanted them out. Seems like you're the one trying to have it both ways in believing 'employment is at it's highest' without fully understanding the consequence of massaging figures, only to now totally contradict yourself.

The only distortion of fact is what i've shown you as to how government make these amazing claims and sell it to the gullible as truthful fact when it's obviously not.


The government cant distort the number job adverts .............and there's loads here in Weymouth ........

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pelmetman - 2019-01-23 10:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-23 7:18 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 9:43 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........

Many of those jobs were previously done by people from EU but you wanted them out. Seems like you're the one trying to have it both ways in believing 'employment is at it's highest' without fully understanding the consequence of massaging figures, only to now totally contradict yourself.

The only distortion of fact is what i've shown you as to how government make these amazing claims and sell it to the gullible as truthful fact when it's obviously not.


The government cant distort the number job adverts .............and there's loads here in Weymouth ........

You'd better tell them they're wasting their time as according to you "employment is at it's highest level" so there won't be anyone available.
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Posted: 24 January 2019 9:33 AM
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 2:00 AM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 10:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-23 7:18 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 9:43 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........

Many of those jobs were previously done by people from EU but you wanted them out. Seems like you're the one trying to have it both ways in believing 'employment is at it's highest' without fully understanding the consequence of massaging figures, only to now totally contradict yourself.

The only distortion of fact is what i've shown you as to how government make these amazing claims and sell it to the gullible as truthful fact when it's obviously not.


The government cant distort the number job adverts .............and there's loads here in Weymouth ........

You'd better tell them they're wasting their time as according to you "employment is at it's highest level" so there won't be anyone available.


Just goes to show there is work out there if you want it ............

Unfortunately we still have a hardcore of intentionally idle who prefer to scrounge rather than work ..........

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pelmetman - 2019-01-24 9:33 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 2:00 AM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 10:34 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-23 7:18 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-23 9:43 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-22 11:26 PM

Idiot......can't you comprehend a basic simple fact? This government counts all temps, zero hours, and part timers as fully employed......even unpaid family work. 1 hour per week now counts as "employment". It's all about 'massaging' the figures to make employment appear high when the truth is it's purely a distortion and nothing else.


So how do you explain why employers are struggling to fill vacancies even in low skilled jobs? ......

You cant have it both ways.......without distorting the facts Idiot! ...........

Many of those jobs were previously done by people from EU but you wanted them out. Seems like you're the one trying to have it both ways in believing 'employment is at it's highest' without fully understanding the consequence of massaging figures, only to now totally contradict yourself.

The only distortion of fact is what i've shown you as to how government make these amazing claims and sell it to the gullible as truthful fact when it's obviously not.


The government cant distort the number job adverts .............and there's loads here in Weymouth ........

You'd better tell them they're wasting their time as according to you "employment is at it's highest level" so there won't be anyone available.


Just goes to show there is work out there if you want it ............

Lot's vacated by workers from EU countries who've now gone......so where are your Brexit Brits who were forever whining about "them foreigners stealing our jobs"?

Unfortunately we still have a hardcore of intentionally idle who prefer to scrounge rather than work ..........

Yeah we have noticed.......you're well experienced in that!
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 3:32 PM

Lot's vacated by workers from EU countries who've now gone......so where are your Brexit Brits who were forever whining about "them foreigners stealing our jobs"?



Now gone? .........Who's using the Polish shops then? .........

There's even a Polish section in our local Asda ..........

Which indicates to me they're here to stay, not that I'm bothered if they're prepared to be a net contributor to our economy like I am in Spain .........

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pelmetman - 2019-01-24 7:17 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 3:32 PM

Lot's vacated by workers from EU countries who've now gone......so where are your Brexit Brits who were forever whining about "them foreigners stealing our jobs"?



Now gone? .........Who's using the Polish shops then? .........

There's even a Polish section in our local Asda ..........

Which indicates to me they're here to stay, not that I'm bothered if they're prepared to be a net contributor to our economy like I am in Spain .........

You need to start making your mind up between "highest records of employment ever" and "employers struggling to fill vacancies" as you're continually contradicting yourself. You also need to decide whether UK or Spain is to be your country of "habitual residence" as you cannot have it both ways. You voted to end FOM yet now behave in a very hypocritical manner. Quite despicable.
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Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 9:21 PM

pelmetman - 2019-01-24 7:17 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-01-24 3:32 PM

Lot's vacated by workers from EU countries who've now gone......so where are your Brexit Brits who were forever whining about "them foreigners stealing our jobs"?



Now gone? .........Who's using the Polish shops then? .........

There's even a Polish section in our local Asda ..........

Which indicates to me they're here to stay, not that I'm bothered if they're prepared to be a net contributor to our economy like I am in Spain .........

You need to start making your mind up between "highest records of employment ever" and "employers struggling to fill vacancies" as you're continually contradicting yourself. You also need to decide whether UK or Spain is to be your country of "habitual residence" as you cannot have it both ways. You voted to end FOM yet now behave in a very hypocritical manner. Quite despicable.


No contradiction here..........When did I ever say tourists shouldn't be allowed to come to the UK? .........