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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

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Hes right so can you all go off to hell on your own and leave us folk here who havent lost their marbles behind please? Off you F*ck!
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Barryd999 - 2019-02-06 3:05 PM

Hes right so can you all go off to hell on your own and leave us folk here who havent lost their marbles behind please? Off you F*ck!


I'm on my way ...........

Dont wanna be in the UK when the "Lettuce Riots" kick off ..........

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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Coming from the poster who spends half the year every year in Spain!!
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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Coming from the poster who spends half the year every year in Spain!!


So say's Comrade Bullet who spends his time in right wing Eastern European countries .........

When he's not reading about Soviet spy's ........

I bet you miss the olden days in the Gulag? ........

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Posted: 6 February 2019 5:36 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-06 5:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Coming from the poster who spends half the year every year in Spain!!


I thought Spain was in Europe
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Posted: 6 February 2019 6:07 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 5:35 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-06 5:32 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Coming from the poster who spends half the year every year in Spain!!


So say's Comrade Bullet who spends his time in right wing Eastern European countries ........

As a Remain voter i value and support my freedom of movement and the benefits the EU has given me over the years. You want to end that.........but not for yourself. That's hypocrisy as has been pointed out to you by other fm's on here. Even our Belgian poster was astounded at your hypocrisy.
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Posted: 6 February 2019 7:14 PM
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice
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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:14 PM

Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Posted: 6 February 2019 7:42 PM
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What could go wrong ... The last time those words were used were by crackpot Madeleine Albright when showing support for Presidential cert Billary Quinton ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton ... Maybe old son of a son of a Nazi old Tusky could do worse than taking note ... Mind I think hes done more for the case for leaving with his comments than a thousand Farage words could
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Posted: 6 February 2019 7:46 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:14 PM

Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia
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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:42 PM

What could go wrong ... The last time those words were used were by crackpot Madeleine Albright when showing support for Presidential cert Billary Quinton ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton ... Maybe old son of a son of a Nazi old Tusky could do worse than taking note ... Mind I think hes done more for the case for leaving with his comments than a thousand Farage words could


What he actually said was there was a special place in hell for politicians who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan. He did not say it was for those poor unfortunates who believed those politicians.

But for the record could you please tell me which politicians you believed and more importantly what their plan was?

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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:42 PM

What could go wrong ... The last time those words were used were by crackpot Madeleine Albright when showing support for Presidential cert Billary Quinton ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton ... Maybe old son of a son of a Nazi old Tusky could do worse than taking note ... Mind I think hes done more for the case for leaving with his comments than a thousand Farage words could


He was a carpenters son from Gdansk, he grew up with tanks and gun battles on his street. He ran with anti communist gangs and was imprisoned by the Soviets. On his release he fought for autonomy for Poland where he went on to be prime minister.

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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:46 PM

Fast Pat - 2019-02-06 7:42 PM

antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:14 PM

Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.
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Posted: 6 February 2019 8:27 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:42 PM

What could go wrong ... The last time those words were used were by crackpot Madeleine Albright when showing support for Presidential cert Billary Quinton ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton ... Maybe old son of a son of a Nazi old Tusky could do worse than taking note ... Mind I think hes done more for the case for leaving with his comments than a thousand Farage words could


What he actually said was there was a special place in hell for politicians who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan. He did not say it was for those poor unfortunates who believed those politicians.

But for the record could you please tell me which politicians you believed and more importantly what their plan was?

Yes having just listened to what he said in it's entirety on Channel 4 news, it's quite different to what the Brexit bandwagon is pumping out!

Context is everything!
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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.
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Posted: 7 February 2019 6:19 AM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-06 8:24 PM

antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:46 PM

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antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:14 PM

Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult
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Sir Nigel as ever sums up Tusks disgraceful words perfectly ... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1093211486917455872 ... xxx
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antony1969 - 2019-02-07 6:35 AM

Sir Nigel as ever sums up Tusks disgraceful words perfectly ... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1093211486917455872 ... xxx


Nope, he just exposes the genius of Donald Tusk. To be offended by his tweet, you have to admit to not having a plan for delivering Brexit, despite promoting it to the British people with lots of empty promises. You can't be offended without proving yourself ignorant at best, fraudulent at worst.


P.S. I'm still waiting for you to confirm who you believed and what their plan was?
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Posted: 7 February 2019 2:34 PM
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antony1969 - 2019-02-07 6:19 AM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-06 8:24 PM

antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:46 PM

Fast Pat - 2019-02-06 7:42 PM

antony1969 - 2019-02-06 7:14 PM

Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.
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antony1969 - 2019-02-07 6:35 AM

Nigel as ever sums up Tusks disgraceful words perfectly ... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1093211486917455872 ... xxx

Glad to see Farage has reacted as he's precisely one of those Tusks comments were aimed at, and rightly so too.

This was what Donald Tusk actually said and is quoted verbatim rather than the distortions being put out.

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

Funny that those who promoted Brexit didn't kick off when Johnson and Tory MEP Syed Kamall compared the EU to Hitler and Nazism, but throw their toys out the pram when Tusk states a harsh truth.....that they never had a plan to carry it through safely.
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antony1969 - 2019-02-07 6:35 AM

Sir Nigel as ever sums up Tusks disgraceful words perfectly ... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1093211486917455872 ... xxx


Nope, he just exposes the genius of Donald Tusk. To be offended by his tweet, you have to admit to not having a plan for delivering Brexit, despite promoting it to the British people with lots of empty promises. You can't be offended without proving yourself ignorant at best, fraudulent at worst.


P.S. I'm still waiting for you to confirm who you believed and what their plan was?


The only thing Tusk has exposed is how bitter and twisted the EU is about losing a major meal ticket ........

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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.


How do you know? ...........We haven't left yet ........

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pelmetman - 2019-02-07 3:28 PM

The only thing Tusk has exposed is how bitter and twisted the EU is about losing a major meal ticket ........


If you are worried about the cost, how do you feel about paying more to Northern Ireland than we paid to the EU?

Who do we export more to again?
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The only thing Tusk has exposed is how bitter and twisted the EU is about losing a major meal ticket ........


If you are worried about the cost, how do you feel about paying more to Northern Ireland than we paid to the EU?

Who do we export more to again?


With a bit of luck a No Deal will solve that conundrum ..............

Just gotta get the Scots to vote for Independence then we'll be quids in .......

As for the second question ........That'll be the rest of the world ........

UK exports to non EU countries continue to outstrip EU
UK exports of goods and services to the rest of the world were higher than UK exports to the EU for ninth year running, ONS figures published today (Tuesday 31 July) confirm.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-to-non-eu-countries-continue-to-outstrip-eu

That EU is Soooo yesterday .........

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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.


How do you know? ...........

So exactly what was "the plan" on the lead up to the referendum and please don't say 'to leave' because you know the question which follows that....which Brexiters have never been able to answer.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.


How do you know? ...........

So exactly what was "the plan" on the lead up to the referendum and please don't say 'to leave' because you know the question which follows that....which Brexiters have never been able to answer.


"The UK's plan" is to leave the EU in 50 days time .........

Either with a deal or no deal ........

"My plan" is to have a party on the 29th of March ...........



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As for the second question ........That'll be the rest of the world ........

UK exports to non EU countries continue to outstrip EU
UK exports of goods and services to the rest of the world were higher than UK exports to the EU for ninth year running, ONS figures published today (Tuesday 31 July) confirm.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-to-non-eu-countries-continue-to-outstrip-eu

That EU is Soooo yesterday .........



You are aware that we make those exports with trade deals negotiated as part of the EU and that so far only one continuity agreement is in signed - with the Faroe Islands. A further four are "agreed" with African countries but remain unsigned by them. The continuity agreements ONLY kick in after the end of the implementation period in 2021, no deal then forget any agreements.

Hence why brexiteer MP's, in between browsing the brochures for hell, are now suggesting we just waive tariffs.... and that opens a whole new can of worms.

PS good to see you're looking forward to a civil war in ireland.
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The only thing Tusk has exposed is how bitter and twisted the EU is about losing a major meal ticket ........


If you are worried about the cost, how do you feel about paying more to Northern Ireland than we paid to the EU?

Who do we export more to again?


With a bit of luck a No Deal will solve that conundrum ..............

How very Brexity!!

UK exports to non EU countries continue to outstrip EU
UK exports of goods and services to the rest of the world were higher than UK exports to the EU for ninth year running, ONS figures published today (Tuesday 31 July) confirm.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-to-non-eu-countries-continue-to-outstrip-eu

That EU is Soooo yesterday .........

"Sooo yesterday" it happens to be our largest trading partner we imported £341 billion worth (53%) of goods from in 2017 and exported £274 billion.

You're in cuckoo land.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851
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pelmetman - 2019-02-06 1:43 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/06/theresa-may-seeks-brexit-breakthrough-dup-saying-will-not-scrap/

Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.


How do you know? ...........

So exactly what was "the plan" on the lead up to the referendum and please don't say 'to leave' because you know the question which follows that....which Brexiters have never been able to answer.


"The UK's plan" is to leave the EU in 50 days time .........

Either with a deal or no deal ........

So what's the destination? May's 'plan' was shot down in flame as she suffered a historic defeat in the HoC.
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You're in cuckoo land.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851


Nope......I'm in Frog land ..........

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Sir Nigel as ever sums up Tusks disgraceful words perfectly ... https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1093211486917455872 ... xxx


Nope, he just exposes the genius of Donald Tusk. To be offended by his tweet, you have to admit to not having a plan for delivering Brexit, despite promoting it to the British people with lots of empty promises. You can't be offended without proving yourself ignorant at best, fraudulent at worst.


P.S. I'm still waiting for you to confirm who you believed and what their plan was?


You'll be waiting a long time princess as I don't believe I have to confirm anything to anyone on here do I ... How many hours does your little black book say youve waited anyway
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

From Wikipedia


Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.


Could be the 4th time Ive said it and its still as true as the 1st time unless you can show different ... Donald Tusks Grandpapa fought for the Nazis
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You'll be waiting a long time princess as I don't believe I have to confirm anything to anyone on here do I ... How many hours does your little black book say youve waited anyway


Well if you can't put up a simple answer to a reasonable question I'm sure we can all draw our own conclusions. The brexit politicians didn't have a plan and you followed them blindly because they muttered the right things about immigrants which addressed your deep set racism, even if you personally will be poorer at the end of the process.
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You'll be waiting a long time princess as I don't believe I have to confirm anything to anyone on here do I ... How many hours does your little black book say youve waited anyway


Well if you can't put up a simple answer to a reasonable question I'm sure we can all draw our own conclusions. The brexit politicians didn't have a plan and you followed them blindly because they muttered the right things about immigrants which addressed your deep set racism, even if you personally will be poorer at the end of the process.


From the man who didn't answer my question !!! ... Princess I didn't give the info you requested because I didn't care for the way you asked for it "for the record" sounds like some police interrogation ... Can you please show an example of my "deep set racism" or are you talking utter waffle again like last time I asked you ... If you cant your no better than a school playground name caller ... Regards
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

From Wikipedia


Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.


Could be the 4th time Ive said it and its still as true as the 1st time unless you can show different ... Donald Tusks Grandpapa fought for the Nazis

Proof please (bib).
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From the man who didn't answer my question !!! ... Princess I didn't give the info you requested because I didn't care for the way you asked for it "for the record" sounds like some police interrogation ... Can you please show an example of my "deep set racism" or are you talking utter waffle again like last time I asked you ... If you cant your no better than a school playground name caller ... Regards


Obviously I'm not to know that you are familiar with the techniques used during a "police interrogation" and that my choice of language would bring back flashbacks for you, my apologies. Hope the boys in blue treated you well?

As to answering your "question" I already had, anybody reading your contributions on here will see examples of your deep seated racism, the fact that you don't even see such posts as racist is evidence enough.
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

From Wikipedia


Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.


Could be the 4th time Ive said it and its still as true as the 1st time unless you can show different ... Donald Tusks Grandpapa fought for the Nazis

Proof please (bib).


Eh ... You stupid or what ... Of course he fought for the Nazis youve said as much in your previous posts ... Many of those who fought for the Nazis and who were responsible for many deaths never physically killed anyone one on one during the war ... Your disputing his Nazi past which is actually undeniable so you show that he wasn't responsible for any deaths ???
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From the man who didn't answer my question !!! ... Princess I didn't give the info you requested because I didn't care for the way you asked for it "for the record" sounds like some police interrogation ... Can you please show an example of my "deep set racism" or are you talking utter waffle again like last time I asked you ... If you cant your no better than a school playground name caller ... Regards


Obviously I'm not to know that you are familiar with the techniques used during a "police interrogation" and that my choice of language would bring back flashbacks for you, my apologies. Hope the boys in blue treated you well?

As to answering your "question" I already had, anybody reading your contributions on here will see examples of your deep seated racism, the fact that you don't even see such posts as racist is evidence enough.


Your going all Disney sweetheart ... "flashbacks" "boys in blue" ... Its kind of a childish response if I am being honest , but if its your best well done ... Your 2nd point regarding my supposed racism again youve failed to show anything to prove your wild claim ... Once is bad enough but twice is beginning to be laughable ... You could easily shut me up by showing me and the forum my racism and then informing the moderators as racism is quite rightly frowned on ... Waiting
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

From Wikipedia


Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.


Could be the 4th time Ive said it and its still as true as the 1st time unless you can show different ... Donald Tusks Grandpapa fought for the Nazis

Proof please (bib).


Eh ... You stupid or what ... Of course he fought for the Nazis youve said as much in your previous posts ... Many of those who fought for the Nazis and who were responsible for many deaths never physically killed anyone one on one during the war ... Your disputing his Nazi past which is actually undeniable so you show that he wasn't responsible for any deaths ???

Either you're struggling to comprehend a simple question or being disingenuous and obtuse over the question so i've highlighted the words which matter to make it easier for you.

You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.
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... Waiting

Quit deflecting and answer the question that poster asked you yesterday. It's very simple.

which politicians you believed and more importantly what their plan was?
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Talking of special places in hell ... His Nazi grandfather once had similar visions of taking over Europe ... https://tigr.net/3161/2014/09/05/grandson-of-a-nazi-ss-member-to-head-eu-from-december-1/ ... Nice


You need to be a bit more subtle, that's a right wing Russian blogger that you've linked to. Your dear friend Trump will not thank you for exposing his masters and their attempt to undermine the EU so carelessly,

A more balanced view "A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910)[1] and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962).[2] He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City.[3][4] He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services.[5] On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.[5]

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house.[5] Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp[5][6] In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp.[7] On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.[7]

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion).[7][8][9] After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he either deserted, defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West, or was imprisoned in an Allied prisoners-of-war camp.[10][11]

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945.[11] According to his family and friends, he never spoke much about his wartime history."

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Like I said he served and fought for the Nazis ... From Wikipedia

Forced conscription and given his background history it's pretty obvious his sympathies did not lie in Nazism, not to mention he only served in the Wehrmacht for four months. Even many Germans who fought in war were not Nazis either. There's a vast difference between the two.


He fought for the Nazis like I said ... I don't see whats so difficult

Not difficult......when his back history shows his allegiance lay with Poland, his country of birth, not Germany who had invaded his country. "Fought for the Nazis" appears a damning condemnation whilst totally ignoring factual reality of his back history. Using that vague expression means you'd be saying men like Eddie Chapman, 'fought for the Nazis'.....the only British to be awarded the Iron Cross.


Could be the 4th time Ive said it and its still as true as the 1st time unless you can show different ... Donald Tusks Grandpapa fought for the Nazis

Proof please (bib).


Eh ... You stupid or what ... Of course he fought for the Nazis youve said as much in your previous posts ... Many of those who fought for the Nazis and who were responsible for many deaths never physically killed anyone one on one during the war ... Your disputing his Nazi past which is actually undeniable so you show that he wasn't responsible for any deaths ???

Either you're struggling to comprehend a simple question or being disingenuous and obtuse over the question so i've highlighted the words which matter to make it easier for you.

You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.[/QUOT

I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong
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Quit deflecting and answer the question that poster asked you yesterday. It's very simple.

which politicians you believed and more importantly what their plan was?


I know I am destroying Fat Pat on most stuff which is really embarrassing for him/her/it but I don't think it needs the likes of you to defend or stand up for him/her/it ... Why you and Fats need to know where I , a supposed racist/Islamaphobe/bigot got my Brexit info from I really don't know ... Shows how shallow your lives are I suppose
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Seems over the last couple of days us leave voters have been more than proved right in our vote ... https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1093200394027761664 ... Gosh
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.
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Quit deflecting and answer the question that poster asked you yesterday. It's very simple.

which politicians you believed and more importantly what their plan was?


I know I am destroying Fat Pat on most stuff which is really embarrassing for him/her/it but I don't think it needs the likes of you to defend or stand up for him/her/it ... Why you and Fats need to know where I , a supposed racist/Islamaphobe/bigot got my Brexit info from I really don't know ... Shows how shallow your lives are I suppose

So you couldn't say which politicians you believed or what their plan was?

Thanks for that. You've just confirmed everything about the mind of a typical Brexit voter!
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Your going all Disney sweetheart ... "flashbacks" "boys in blue" ... Its kind of a childish response if I am being honest , but if its your best well done ... Your 2nd point regarding my supposed racism again youve failed to show anything to prove your wild claim ... Once is bad enough but twice is beginning to be laughable ... You could easily shut me up by showing me and the forum my racism and then informing the moderators as racism is quite rightly frowned on ... Waiting


You know just for a minute there I was going to assemble the "evidence for the prosecution", but in the brief moment when I read some of your posts (I couldn't do it for very long as it made me feel dirty), I came across you issuing the same challenge to other posters "show me my racism". Now as I've made my way through life I don't think I've ever had to issue that challenge to anyone, but you have, a lot of times to lots of different folk - what does that suggest?

Indeed I'd go further, your challenge seems to be "look how clever I am not actually using the "N" word, whilst gaslighting minority targets", It's a play straight out of the Britain First / EDL/ NF rulebook on how to avoid social media bans.

The other thing of interest is that we can add homophobic and misogynist to the "charge sheet".

In fact overall you seem a very damaged individual with some very strange views of the world, I don't know what happened to you in your childhood but you might find that seeking professional psychiatric help might be more conducive to a happy life rather than spouting bile on a internet site.
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


What an utter silly bore you are ... Carry on if you want and i'll continue ... He fought for the Nazis
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Your going all Disney sweetheart ... "flashbacks" "boys in blue" ... Its kind of a childish response if I am being honest , but if its your best well done ... Your 2nd point regarding my supposed racism again youve failed to show anything to prove your wild claim ... Once is bad enough but twice is beginning to be laughable ... You could easily shut me up by showing me and the forum my racism and then informing the moderators as racism is quite rightly frowned on ... Waiting


You know just for a minute there I was going to assemble the "evidence for the prosecution", but in the brief moment when I read some of your posts (I couldn't do it for very long as it made me feel dirty), I came across you issuing the same challenge to other posters "show me my racism". Now as I've made my way through life I don't think I've ever had to issue that challenge to anyone, but you have, a lot of times to lots of different folk - what does that suggest?

Indeed I'd go further, your challenge seems to be "look how clever I am not actually using the "N" word, whilst gaslighting minority targets", It's a play straight out of the Britain First / EDL/ NF rulebook on how to avoid social media bans.

The other thing of interest is that we can add homophobic and misogynist to the "charge sheet".

In fact overall you seem a very damaged individual with some very strange views of the world, I don't know what happened to you in your childhood but you might find that seeking professional psychiatric help might be more conducive to a happy life rather than spouting bile on a internet site.


"spouting bile on a internet site" ... From the thing who in its short time on here has managed to call me all sorts of stuff and spews Brexit hatred from most of its other posts ??? Go figure Princess ... Just for a minute you were going to "assemble the evidence for the prosecution" until you realised your "evidence" would be chucked out of court ... Your all hot air darling and whats all your Disney stuff about Britain First/EDL/NF rulebooks ??? ... Put up or shut up sweet cheeks
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


So those who were conscripted into the British Army didn't fight for Britain? ...........

Blimey you've come up with some desperate stuff sometimes Bullet .........

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Anywhere gotta be better than the EU ..........

Problem is, Tusk was merely speaking the inconvenient truth. Telling like it is.

How do you know? ...........We haven't left yet ........

No, and I haven't go to hell yet either - but I know a plan when I see one, and neither Cameron nor May had anything even remotely resembling a plan for the UK beyond Brexit, either before launching the referendum, or before submitting the Article 50 notification. That is a depth of stupidity beyond imagining.
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


What an utter silly bore you are ... Carry on if you want and i'll continue ... He fought for the Nazis

Then provide evidence he did instead of continuing with your silly chop logic. It's a very simple question which for some reason you've so far refused to back it up with evidence and until you can, it's safe to say he never actually "fought for" [Nazis]. For example, places he was involved in action, rank held along with any promotion, any medals awarded.

Looking forward to read what you find.......good luck.
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


So those who were conscripted into the British Army didn't fight for Britain? ...........

Correct......some didn't. And if you knew anything about history you'd know that. I'm not going to tell you because it's about time you expanded your own mind a bit more for yourself and i want to see if you can apply the same capability in doing that as what you apply in searching out far right extremist bile.
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


What an utter silly bore you are ... Carry on if you want and i'll continue ... He fought for the Nazis

Then provide evidence he did instead of continuing with your silly chop logic. It's a very simple question which for some reason you've so far refused to back it up with evidence and until you can, it's safe to say he never actually "fought for" [Nazis]. For example, places he was involved in action, rank held along with any promotion, any medals awarded.

Looking forward to read what you find.......good luck.


You answered your own question already numpty ... He fought for the Nazis in WW2 ... Carry on if you must
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


What an utter silly bore you are ... Carry on if you want and i'll continue ... He fought for the Nazis

Then provide evidence he did instead of continuing with your silly chop logic. It's a very simple question which for some reason you've so far refused to back it up with evidence and until you can, it's safe to say he never actually "fought for" [Nazis]. For example, places he was involved in action, rank held along with any promotion, any medals awarded.

Looking forward to read what you find.......good luck.


You answered your own question ... He never fought for the Nazis in WW2 ..

Correct. Good to see you agree and as painful as it must have been for you, there just was never a shred of historical evidence to back up your previous claim.
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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


What an utter silly bore you are ... Carry on if you want and i'll continue ... He fought for the Nazis

Then provide evidence he did instead of continuing with your silly chop logic. It's a very simple question which for some reason you've so far refused to back it up with evidence and until you can, it's safe to say he never actually "fought for" [Nazis]. For example, places he was involved in action, rank held along with any promotion, any medals awarded.

Looking forward to read what you find.......good luck.


You answered your own question ... He never fought for the Nazis in WW2 ..

Correct. Good to see you agree and as painful as it must have been for you, there just was never a shred of historical evidence to back up your previous claim.


Nice to see you deleted my last bit ... "carry on if you must" and obviously you must ... Your Grandkids must be proud of your silly antics on ere ... Anyway , he was a Nazi and fought for the Nazis during WW2 and youve said absoultuley nothing to suggest otherwise ... Youve actually backed it up Princess ... Carry on
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Nice to see you deleted my last bit ... "carry on if you must" and obviously you must ... Your Grandkids must be proud of your silly antics on ere ...

Oh dear.....toys out the pram now i see. Go and have a lie down.
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Nice to see you deleted my last bit ... "carry on if you must" and obviously you must ... Your Grandkids must be proud of your silly antics on ere ...

Oh dear.....toys out the pram now i see. Go and have a lie down.


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You continually state "he fought for" (the Nazis). Being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis) and you have not been able to provide a shred of evidence he actually did. It's all about context and you're continually distorting that to suggest he was an active combatant against his own country.


I think its the 5th time ... He fought for the Nazis FFS ... Prove me wrong

You've failed to show that (bib) and i've already very clearly stated being conscripted into Wehrmacht does not mean he "fought for" (the Nazis).

Now, i'll ask you again and i don't want to read anymore of your deflection either, show me evidential proof he "fought for the Nazis." It's ok to say you can't.


So those who were conscripted into the British Army didn't fight for Britain? ...........

Correct......some didn't. And if you knew anything about history you'd know that. I'm not going to tell you because it's about time you expanded your own mind a bit more for yourself and i want to see if you can apply the same capability in doing that as what you apply in searching out far right extremist bile.


True, if they refused they were either imprisoned or served as orderlies............

Is there any evidence that Tusks Grand Pappy refused to serve? ..........

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True, if they refused they were either imprisoned or served as orderlies............

Is there any evidence that Tusks Grand Pappy refused to serve? ..........



"A member of the Kashubian minority, Józef Tusk was born in Gdansk (Danzig, German Empire) to Józef Tusk (1870–1910) and Augustyna Tusk (née Adamczyk; 1870–1962). He became a citizen of the Free City of Danzig after World War I and worked for the Polish railway in the Free City. He became a member of the Polish Secret Military Organization (Tajna Organizacja Wojskowa, TOW), which prepared behind-the-lines operatives in case of the war. On 1 September 1938 Tusk was placed in the position of the telegraphist in the Danzig (Gdansk) railway station. It is likely, but not confirmed, that he had been working with the Polish intelligence services. On 1 September 1939, when Germany invaded Poland, the Free City of Danzig was incorporated into the German Reich and the citizens of the Free City became German nationals. Tusk was assaulted in his house in the morning, and later witnessed German arrests of Poles at the railway station, and the Defence of the Polish Post in Danzig.

Józef Tusk reported the assault to Danzig police, and was subsequently arrested as a Polish activist, described as a "Polish fanatic, dangerous to the security of the German State"; his family on the same day was evicted from their house. Tusk was a forced laborer working in the construction of the Stutthof concentration camp In 1941 he was interviewed by Gestapo and imprisoned in Neuengamme concentration camp. On 26 August 1942 he was released from Neuengamme.

On 2 August 1944 Tusk was conscripted into Wehrmacht, into the 328. Grenadier-Ersatz- und Ausbildungsbatallion (328th Grenadier Replacement and Training Battalion). After about four months, around 24 November 1944 or soon afterward, he deserted defecting to the Polish Armed Forces in the West.

Józef Tusk returned to Sopot, where his family moved to, in the People's Republic of Poland, in mid-October 1945. "

If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.
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If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........

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If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........



You see all you've done there is shown your ignorance, if you don't know the difference between democratic socialism and "communism" as practiced by the USSR then you need to go way, put down the Daily Heil and do a bit of research.
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If you ever get the chance you should try and visit Gdansk and the newly opened Solidarity Museum, its quite stunning architecture and the way it set the timeline as to how a trade union movement led to the collapse of communism and totalitarian regimes across the world is superb.


Collapse of Communism? ...........It's alive and well in the Labour party ........



You see all you've done there is shown your ignorance, if you don't know the difference between democratic socialism and "communism" as practiced by the USSR then you need to go way, put down the Daily Heil and do a bit of research.


Are you saying Corbyn isn't a Communist? ...........

So why has he appointed Communists as his advisers? ........

Over to you Comrade .......

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:32 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 2:52 PM...………………….True, if they refused they were either imprisoned or served as orderlies............
Is there any evidence that Tusks Grand Pappy refused to serve? ..........

Alternatively, is there any point to this discussion?

It was started by Antony as an obvious character assassination project against Tusk, because he'd had the temerity to point out an equally obvious, though uncomfortable (to Antony) truth. His basis for this is that during WW2 Tusks grandfather - grandfather, mind - had been in the Wehrmacht.

This was not to address Tusk's actual point, it was just a typical Antony way of saying "don't pay attention to the man himself, just concentrate on the fact that he had a dodgy grandfather". This would be an nonsensical argument even by "normal" ad hominem standards: but this raises the nonsense level to argumentum ad hominem contra est scriptor avus!

What the hell is Tusk supposed to be able to do about the actions of his grandfather 75 years ago? What contorted thought process makes the grandchild answerable for the actions of his grandfather? This is, and was, no more that a scurrilous attempt to deflect the string away from the simple, uncomfortable (to Antony), fact that Tusk spoke the truth about the forward planning capabilities of Brexiters.

Sadly, so far, Antony has succeeded, with reams of argument over how far into the Nazi high command Tusk's grandfather might have penetrated. The reality is it wouldn't matter a shred if Tusk's grandfather had turned out to be Joseph Goebbels himself. The grandson is not the grandfather, and does not do, or think, as the grandfather thought. Who Granddad was, or was not, is a complete irrelevance.

Now, back to the topic in hand?

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:41 PM
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Have to say it sounds preferable than any after life populated by whinging whining Remoaners ...........

Now that would be my idea of hell ............

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Posted: 9 February 2019 4:56 PM
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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.
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Posted: 9 February 2019 5:29 PM
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Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........

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pelmetman - 2019-02-09 5:29 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........


Apologies for repeating myself :

Dave, leave is not a plan. It is merely a point of departure - it is about the past: it is where we go from. A plan needs a destination - it is about the future: it is where we go to. Where is that plan?

To get the future right, one has to get the departure right. If you want to catch a train to Edinburgh from London, there is little poing in turning up at Victoria Station, because trains from there head south, not north. So, again, where is this post Brexit plan?

I'm beginning to think Brexiters wouldn't recognise a plan if it smacked them in the face.

What did you do in the navy, Dave? Set sail from port, and then decide which other ports to just drop into, all happily singing "a life on the ocean wave, tra la" and ignoring that sailing a British navy warship into some ports unannounced would probably have got you and the ship impounded - if not start a war. Was the Navy Lark really that true?
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Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 5:39 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 5:29 PM

Bulletguy - 2019-02-09 4:56 PM

pelmetman - 2019-02-09 4:41 PM

Brian Kirby - 2019-02-09 4:32 PM

Now, back to the topic in hand?


A special place in Hell? ...........

Context context context......let's have it right. This is what he actually said;

"By the way, i've been wondering what that special place in Hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan to carry it safely"

And you know he was correct in that as none 'who promoted Brexit' had a plan did they? They all ran off having lit the bonfire.


The plan was, if we won the referendum to leave the EU ..........

It seems to be going to plan from where I'm sat ........


Apologies for repeating myself :

Dave, leave is not a plan. It is merely a point of departure - it is about the past: it is where we go from. A plan needs a destination - it is about the future: it is where we go to. Where is that plan?

To get the future right, one has to get the departure right. If you want to catch a train to Edinburgh from London, there is little point in turning up at Victoria Station, because trains from there head south, not north. So, again, where is this post Brexit plan?

I'm beginning to think Brexiters wouldn't recognise a plan if it smacked them in the face.

I think Pelmethead just switches his satnav on, looks at the little cursor and thinks 'ok that looks pretty....i'll just trundle along and see where the little arrow goes'. How does it feel....To be without a home...With no direction home....Like a complete unknown....Like a rolling stone?

What did you do in the navy, Dave? Set sail from port, and then decide which other ports to just drop into, all happily singing "a life on the ocean wave, tra la" and ignoring that sailing a British navy warship into some ports unannounced would probably have got you and the ship impounded - if not start a war. Was the Navy Lark really that true?

Luckily for Pugwash Pelmet the banana boat had a Captain who knew what he was doing!