Suggestions for a (really) compact motorhome
userjonnybeare
Posted: 27 April 2020 10:49 AM
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I'm looking for a motorhome, needs to be under 5.5m (due to driveway), sleep 4 and include a washroom/shower, up to about £25k. I've totally fallen in love with the Wingamm Micros, but they seem ridiculously rare, any other suggestions would be great...
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Posted: 27 April 2020 11:55 AM
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I have a family close to me who journeyed to Finland for several years in a standard VW. Two adults and two boys, it all depends how you mix and what sizes they are


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Posted: 27 April 2020 12:03 PM
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Karmann Gypsy on VW base, but again very rare.
Another alternative would be the VW LT PVC high roof models, but they will be a bit long in the tooth now.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 12:09 PM
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How about a Romahome? They tend to specialise in smaller MH's.

Some reviews here...

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/?manufacturerid=897893&rangeid=188

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Posted: 27 April 2020 12:36 PM
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I had a look at Romahome but the only 4 berth in my price range is 20ft long! So too big for the drive.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 12:38 PM
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Will86 - 2020-04-27 11:55 AM

I have a family close to me who journeyed to Finland for several years in a standard VW. Two adults and two boys, it all depends how you mix and what sizes they are


I was considering a standard VW, maybe a California but then got seduced by the larger motorhomes with washroom/shower/etc.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 2:49 PM
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What about an older Autosleeper Nuevo. Not sure about the exact length but I think it might fit.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 3:01 PM
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Yes good call, says here it's 5.42m
https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/details/motorhome-review-auto-sleeper-nuevo-es-on-swb-20hdi-peugeot-boxer/899146

They made that model up to 2006, then went to the new Fiat in 2007 which pushed it up to 5.63m
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Posted: 27 April 2020 3:09 PM
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Wingamm is an Italian manufacturer of the highest quality, the habitation is a very solid two-layer fiberglass monocoque filled with vacuum-injected insulating material.
Even for the smallest vehicles of the brand the cost is in the high end of the market, in Italy a Micros on Volkswagen Transporter T6 2.0TDI 150hp costs almost € 70,000.
Used van on the market are few, they are highly wanted because of the monocoque technology.
I owned one of a competing brand (AIEsistem), put on sale on Monday, on Saturday it had already been sold.

I doubt your budget is enough.

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Posted: 27 April 2020 3:20 PM
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Also Elddis Autoquest 100 or 200?
There are lots of converted van options such as VW, Toyota Alphard, Hyundai i800 etc. that fit the length criterion. All pretty much the same with pop-tops, rock-n-roll bed, side kitchen. Nice enough, but pretty cramped for 4 bodies!
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Posted: 27 April 2020 3:25 PM
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mtravel - 2020-04-27 3:09 PM

Wingamm is an Italian manufacturer of the highest quality, the habitation is a very solid two-layer fiberglass monocoque filled with vacuum-injected insulating material.
Even for the smallest vehicles of the brand the cost is in the high end of the market, in Italy a Micros on Volkswagen Transporter T6 2.0TDI 150hp costs almost € 70,000.
Used van on the market are few, they are highly wanted because of the monocoque technology.
I owned one of a competing brand (AIEsistem), put on sale on Monday, on Saturday it had already been sold.

I doubt your budget is enough.

Max


I was thinking of an old one, a 2006 Micros sold in 2014 for £27k and one in 2011 for £29k, so I was thinking if an old one came up for sale now it might be in budget, although very unlikely as people probably want to keep them!



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Posted: 27 April 2020 4:17 PM
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Would 5.6 be too much? ......

If not a Ford travelhome would fit the bill ......

Plus if the OP finds a good one.......he'll have 15k in beer tokens ......

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Posted: 27 April 2020 6:54 PM
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For 4 ‘adult size’ sleeping berths (and 4 belted travel seats) in a compact-length motorhome, you would probably need to be looking at overcab designs. In 2004 several manufacturers were marketing overcab motorhomes up to 2.5m in length, but by 2006 those models had been discontinued.

This LHD 2006 Hobby’s specification includes 4 large beds, 4 travel seats and a pretty good bathroom - snag is that it’s 5.84m long.

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide
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Posted: 27 April 2020 7:07 PM
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I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name). Adria also does one on small Open/Renault base.

A friend has 3 kids and they still roll around in an old VW pop up top so I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 7:57 PM
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Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-27 6:54 PM

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide


I quite like the original Exsis, also a monocoque which has some advantages, very rare though, for a RHD one at least.
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Posted: 27 April 2020 7:59 PM
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spirou - 2020-04-27 7:07 PM

I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name). Adria also does one on small Open/Renault base.



I found Possl Vario 545 launched in 2013 which is a really good layout but I think probably too expensive, was that the one you meant, or something else?
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Posted: 28 April 2020 7:53 AM
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The original Hymer Exsis SG version suits your. Requirements exactly.
It was manufactured between 2003 - 6 and this version has 4 belted seats and 4 berths.
In magazine comparison tests in that era - the Exsis always came out on top of the Micros by its sheer practicality, but the Micros is a quality van - I considered one myself when I bought the Exsis from new.
I have owned mine from new as many others still do and many more are long term owners - difficult to compromise after owning one.
They are also rare and difficult to find, but the SK which only has driver/ passenger belts and 3 berths is more common.
There is a dedicated web site full of information from experienced owners and more recently enthusiastic new owners as us older ones 'retire' from motorhomes.
You can find us at exsisowners.com.
You can browse the site without joining, but you can't post. Non owners are welcome to join and it's free
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Posted: 28 April 2020 8:30 AM
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jonnybeare - 2020-04-27 7:57 PM

Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-27 6:54 PM

The original Hymer Exsis models were 5.45m long, but the sleeping arrangements were less civilised.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide


I quite like the original Exsis, also a monocoque which has some advantages, very rare though, for a RHD one at least.


Although the Wingamm “Micros” has a complete GRP monocoque rear body, the original Hymer “Exsis” models have GRP front and roof sections with the remaining bodywork being of conventional (for Hymer) sandwich construction. MMM magazine reviewed an Exsis SK in 2005

https://tinyurl.com/yccm6j2k
userjonnybeare
Posted: 28 April 2020 9:39 AM
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Thanks for all the Exsis info, there are two SK LHD on Ebay at the moment, but I'll keep an eye out for an SG as I need the 4 belts and berths.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 11:03 AM
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I may have missed it but are we talking 2 adults and 2 kids(if so, what age/size are the kids) or 4 adults ?

I was just thinking, if you did find a van than fit your driveway,and at the right price, how long would it be before it became too much of a compromise, size-wise?

Also, will the MH be parked in front of the building line?(as in, backed up against the garage/house?)..If so, just make sure that won't fall foul of any covenants or pish-off any neighbours.

I know it's great to be able to have the van "to hand" but I wouldn't totally rule out keeping a MH in (local) storage. Especially if parking it at home would greatly restrict the choice and/or suitability of the van you can have.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 12:44 PM
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It's for 2 adults and an 11 and 13 year old but one of them is as tall as me already so 4 adults really.

There's a big shared area/drive at the end of the garden, next to garages for several houses. The height won't block anyone's view but the length is pretty tight if we want to keep it within our garden boundary. I hadn't considered local storage, how much does that sort of thing cost?

I also don't want anything too big, it's my first MH, only had a campervan previously. Plus if it needs upgrading in a few years I'm alright with that.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 12:51 PM
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jonnybeare - 2020-04-28 12:44 PM

It's for 2 adults and an 11 and 13 year old but one of them is as tall as me already so 4 adults really.



Have you considered decamping the kids into pup tents to make more space in the MH? By the age of yours our kids where only too keen to move out into pup tents for their own space! We found that all C&CC sites allowed two pup tents at no extra charge as long as they fitted on the usual pitch size, and as we didn't have an awning to erect this was easy.

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userpepe63
Posted: 28 April 2020 1:13 PM
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Hi again..

For four adult sized people to "live-within" a sub 5.5m van (only) ?, it'd say it'd be pushing it, to be honest..
Chances are, you will end up using an awning of sorts- you may even find it being used for one/two of you to sleep in?- and if you bear that in mind, maybe it would help broaden your van search ?
Maybe to smaller vans, whose primary roll is transporting your family and your clobber? that can also be a functional "day-out" van?.. instead of a compromise of a MH that is acting as a condensed-caravan..?

(Our first van was a 2 berth, 2003 Duetto.That was a 5.4m (ish) hi-top Transit and that could be "snug" with just the two of us!. Even the 6m Compass coach-built that followed it , could feel a bit "tight" if the weather closed in).

Sorry, no real idea about storage costs. I'd assume that it varies wildly.
I know my elder brother keeps a large caravan on an " approved"(cassoa?) storage site and the last i heard it was something like 300-350 quid a year?...No idea if that is still correct or whether it'd be relevant to your area anyway.

Edit Sorry Keith, I crossed you post (phone rang :$ )

This older Romahome R30 is only 4.8m?-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-ROMAHOME/402200052584?hash=item5da4fdc368:g:aIEAAOSws6RehlWU
..so something like that, with an awning or pup tents?

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Posted: 28 April 2020 4:10 PM
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'Pup tents'.. had to google that!!

Not a bad idea, there are so many more options out there for a small 2 berth MH/van.

I'll have to talk to the family.
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Posted: 28 April 2020 4:22 PM
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Pup tents are fine when it's warm and dry - but not a lot of fun when it's cold wet and windy - especially if you are moving on with a small van full of wet gear and disgruntled people.
It can be tough enough in a small van without adding an extra level of irritation!
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Posted: 28 April 2020 4:44 PM
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There is a current trend for putting elevating roofs on high top vans so how about looking for a two birth medium wheelbase Ducato, Boxer or Relay and getting a converter to put a roof on top? SCA in Germany make the roofs and there may be some other suppliers too.

It will be quite a tight fit for 4 but something like an Autocruise Jazz might fit the bill although some thought may need to be given to rooflights.

No idea how much it would cost!

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Posted: 28 April 2020 6:21 PM
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spirou - 2020-04-27 7:07 PM

I think Pössl does one on the smaller van by Citroen/Peugeot (I never remember the model name)...


You are probably thinking of the “Vario 545” model from Possl/Globecar.

In the UK it was marketed as a Globecar on a RHD Fiat Ducato base and there’s a 2013 Which Motorhome magazine review here

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/reviews/motorhomes/details/globecar-vario-545-motorhome-review/899678

Probably as good as one could get for 4 adult-size people in a 5.41m-long high-top panel-van conversion with a bathroom/shower, but coming across a RHD one for sale in the UK would take a lot of luck and I suspect the asking-price would exceed JB’s £25K budget.
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Autosleepers Talisman / Executives on an X244 Peugeot Boxer chassis are about 5.6 mtrs long and are very well made and durable as well as being able to sleep four. Is that too long?
Most have a built in roof rack and ladder for extra carrying capacity - like wet tents!

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Posted: 29 April 2020 10:00 AM
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I did have a look at the Talisman, but despite being a 4 berth there are only 3 seat belts.
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Posted: 29 April 2020 10:51 AM
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Mornin' JB..

Another possibly daft question- How do you envisage using this van, how often (and for how long each time)?

If you're thinking of touring for weeks at time (during the school summer holidays), maybe abroad, and maybe moving on every few days, then something quite small that entails you putting up awnings and/or tents will become a pain in the backside..

If on the other hand, it's just for the occasional week long holiday, with some additional "impromptu" long weekends, then a short-ish, van conversion(as I linked to above) "may" possibly do you?

But do be aware, that by the time you have loaded an awning/ tent(s), sleeping bags/pillows, camp-beds,camping chairs/table(s),4 sets of clothing, 4 lots of footwear(that will get muddy!), 4 lots of coats(that will get wet!). etc etc, you do run the risk of having a van with "facilities" that are pretty much unusable until everything is disgorged on 'site..
( we have festival friends, some of which run quite swanky VW conversions...but the things are rammed to the gunnels, when they first roll up on 'site).

..and at some point, (usually whilst wrestling with a awning/ tent in the wind/rain) you will ask yourself ".. why have we spent XX 1000s on a ******* motorhome, only to end up putting a ****** tent up!?..." )

£20-25000 could get a decent sized,over-cab "family van"(possibly with bunk beds)? Obviously that wouldn't be as versatile(or as "cool"?) as a small van conversion,but until I'd explored the availability/cost of storage, I wouldn't fully rule one out..?

It all depends on what you actually "want"?
(but want we "want", is not always the same as what we "need")
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Posted: 29 April 2020 11:00 AM
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Definitely just a week at a time, and the odd long weekend, plus the odd festival.

We used to have a Mazda Bongo w/pop-top, was great in some ways but had pretty much zero storage and came with all the problems you mentioned, putting kit away and getting it out, wet clothes/shoes, having to take a tent to store things in, etc, etc.

You're right, I definitely don't want to get something too small and regret it, but compared to a Bongo just the thought of having some cupboards and a toilet seems like total luxury!

Another issue regarding size is that some friends have campervans and we'd like to camp with them sometimes, we can get away with that with a very small MH or large camper but probably not with a larger MH.

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jonnybeare - 2020-04-29 10:00 AM

I did have a look at the Talisman, but despite being a 4 berth there are only 3 seat belts.


Other ‘shorties’ are the Dethleffs A5251, Hymer Camp C494 and Knaus Sport Traveller 500.

I’m not sure if the A5251 made it to the UK in RHD fornat, but the latter two certainly did

http://www.motorlands.co.uk/used-motorhome/hymer/camp-c494/fiat-ducato-2-0-jtd/for-sale-in-lytham-st-annes-lancashire/aetv14645540/

https://www.motorhomedepot.com/vehicle/knaus-sport-traveller-4-berth-end-washroom-compact-motorhome-for-sale

All are ‘conventional’ overcab designs but, unlike many UK-built models, the overcab sleeping area is not so small that only young children could tolerate being there.

(Trouble is that - once you’ve set your heart on a Wingamm Micros - everything else will be second best.)
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Posted: 29 April 2020 2:56 PM
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Weirdly I was cycling about half a mile from my house and saw a 2008 Wingamm Micros in someone's drive behind a hedge, only just noticed it, so I've put a note in their letterbox... you never know! I'm just amazed to see one in the flesh really.

Failing finding one of those for sale (very unlikely), and in budget (fairly unlikely) I think of all the suggestions the Hymer Exsis SG looks pretty much exactly what we need. I think I'll try to find one to have a look around when the corona chaos is over.

Thanks for all your help :)


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jonnybeare - 2020-04-29 2:56 PM................................I think of all the suggestions the Hymer Exsis SG looks pretty much exactly what we need. I think I'll try to find one to have a look around when the corona chaos is over.

Thanks for all your help :)

One for sale here: https://tinyurl.com/ydynd5mj Ledbury. Looks good on paper (but then it is being advertised for sale! ), and a fair price.
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Posted: 29 April 2020 5:32 PM
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I can remember considering the Hymer a few years ago when looking for a replacement for my Mazda Bongo. I thought it was a fabulous layout with some really clever ideas for storage and space utilisation. I was put off slightly by the high prices for what were generally older, high mileage vans and limited availabilty. I also wasn't keen on the short habitation door as both myself and wife are tall. But never the less, a fascinating and desirable van in many ways.
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jonnybeare - 2020-04-29 2:56 PM................................I think of all the suggestions the Hymer Exsis SG looks pretty much exactly what we need. I think I'll try to find one to have a look around when the corona chaos is over.

Thanks for all your help :)

One for sale here: https://tinyurl.com/ydynd5mj Ledbury. Looks good on paper (but then it is being advertised for sale! ), and a fair price.


Two snags with the Exsis at Ledbury - it’s LHD and JB wants RHD, and it’s the SK version with three sleeping berths and JB needs four.

There’s a 2006 model-year Hymer Exsis brochure here

https://www.exsisowners.com/downloads/2006_Exsis_Brochure.pdf

and the SK and SG layouts are shown on Page 21.

My Rapido 640F has a somewhat similar front-lounge layout to an Exsis SK, with two inwards facing settees, each of which (with a lot of fiddling about) can be converted into a forwards-facing 3-point-belted travel seat. In principle the 640F can carry 4 adults while travelling and, as the settees can be converted into a transverse single bed, it can sleep 3 adults. But I think the 640F would almost always have been bought by couples that would sleep in the rear island double bed. (Rapido produced a 640B version that added a ceiling-located drop-down single bed (so 4 travel seats and 4 berths) but as that model was soon dropped I imagine it proved unpopular.)

Few buyers will need to cram 4 people into a motorhome under 5.5m lomg, so - even though the Exsis SK will be uncommon in the UK - the SG version will be very rare.
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Yes that's right, has to be the SG version due to the two double beds + 4 seatbelts.

They do seem to come up occasionally, I'm in no hurry.
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I think the Concorde Compact would be a good choice. Built on a medium wheelbase Citroen x250. Drop down cab bed which is huge and double bed below. Concorde quality too. I've seen 2009 ones for about £25000. Don't come on the market often though.
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There’s an advert for a 2006-registered Concorde Compact here

https://www.somersetmotorhomecentre.co.uk/showroom/van-conversion/concorde-compact/

Although it is advertised as a “great 4 birth van” (sic) the downstairs bed constructed from the dinette seating is quite narrow. OK for one adult or two small children, but JB has said his requirements are for "2 adults and an 11 and 13 year old but one of them is as tall as me already so 4 adults really”.
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Blimey..is that shelf in the roof, really a bed?...storage for bedding, coats etc maybe...

Whilst there are undoubtedly some ingenious designs, and well executed conversions around, until such time as they start constructing them from magic, they are all still going to be lacking in sq footage and general "elbow room", when they are expected accommodate 4 adult sized people....

(I couldn't imagine many teens would really want to be bunking up alongside/above/below M&D's bed for long, especially in such a tight space..).



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hi all, i own a granduca on a fiat chassis. 6 berth, 5.6m long. sleeps 2 over cab, 2 in mid section and 2 on a rear bench and single bunk. although, in very good condition and used daily, as i have no other vehicle, it was first registered in 1996. only done 77,000 miles. interested?
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pepe63 - 2020-04-30 2:56 PM

Blimey..is that shelf in the roof, really a bed?...storage for bedding, coats etc maybe...

Whilst there are undoubtedly some ingenious designs, and well executed conversions around, until such time as they start constructing them from magic, they are all still going to be lacking in sq footage and general "elbow room", when they are expected accommodate 4 adult sized people....

(I couldn't imagine many teens would really want to be bunking up alongside/above/below M&D's bed for long, especially in such a tight space..).



It must be the type / location of campsites I go to but most are full of vw T5 vans with pop tops sleeping families of 4. The bigger vans seem to be the choice of child free 60 plus year olds. Just my observation of course. Perhaps due to having a young son, we go to family campsites where young kids are more prevalent.

The van shown in the advert is a 2006 van. The x250 model is much better.. I'm 6ft 4 and the drop down bed is massive. I've laid on it. Unlike most a class vans the drop down bed is not transverse in nature and is 200cm long. I think it's an amazing van from a world class constructor. I would buy one myself if it was not for me needing a garage in the van.

The westfalia James Scott is another pvc with this type of configuration but on a Merc chassis. Both beds on this one are big. Westfalia nugget is similar but on a transit base. Again, very rare in the UK. Take a peek.
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The majority of our camping(be it tent or previous van conversions & MHs, or our current DIY "festival-camping-van")has been on Music festival sites (and festival-based group gatherings on basic campsites). Being honest apart from maybe when their children were very young, I can't picture anyone of us, or those around us, routinely sleeping 4 adults in a VW sized vehicle?

Of cause it's possible..and don't get me wrong the likes of that Concord is a lovely bit of kit (and the prevision to sleep 4 if need be, would be of benefit) but almost everyone we know and/or see, end up putting up an awning of sorts or an additional little tent.

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Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-30 2:37 PM

There’s an advert for a 2006-registered Concorde Compact here

https://www.somersetmotorhomecentre.co.uk/showroom/van-conversion/concorde-compact/



I saw that Concorde Compact, but looking at the dimensions 5.41 x 2.06 x 2.98 it's almost the same as the Exsis, however the Exsis looks bigger inside (from photos at least). Also the Exsis SG has a better lounge layout imo, with both front seats swivelling to make a larger area and more seating, the second bed is also bigger in the Exsis.

One advantage of the Concorde is that you can get it on the newer Fiat (2007 onwards), whereas the Exsis you're stuck with the older model.



Edited by jonnybeare 2020-04-30 6:19 PM
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This Practical Motorhome review of a 2010 Concorde Compact

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/reviews/motorhome/30023-concorde-compact

indicates that the narrow ‘double bed’ of the pre-X250 version has shrunk to 78cm width (31inches) and is described in the article as a "sizeable single bed (194cm x 78cm) which is made up out of the dinette”.

If the selection criteria you specified in your original posting - "I'm looking for a motorhome, needs to be under 5.5m (due to driveway), sleep 4 and include a washroom/shower, up to about £25k” - are ALL ‘must haves’ I believe you’ll need to accept that short panel-van-conversion models are a non-starter as they will be just too narrow.

Even if you move the goal-posts by dropping the washroom/shower requirement, squeezing 2 adults and 2 sizeable children into such a small vehicle for a week would be verging on the masochistic. The 5.5m maximum length is the main stumbling block - you really need a longer motorhome - and pepe63’s earlier suggestion to keep the vehicle in local storage seems to be the only realistic solution.
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Posted: 1 May 2020 9:22 AM
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Hello Jonnybearde,
I started a longer reply but lost it all, perhaps timed out as I thought about it ?
You have observed the downstairs attributes of the Exsis SG correctly.
The huge upper bed can be stowed completely made up with bedding and still leaves room in the formed front locker for most of the downstairs bedding.
The dinette(only battery/ electrics inside) and side bunks are all storage - no water tank/heater as most modern vans.
The en-suite rear bathroom has a large wardrobe which rivals most 6m vans.
WE have used the van with 4 adults in summer (site with facilities and EHU) several time quite comfortably and even 3 or 4 for a night or two in winter.
If you chose a small van you will not be disappointed with the space and facilities that the Exsis Sg affords in that size of van.
There is also much support on our website, which is another benefit for older vehicles

https://www.exsisowners.com/

The X244 base vehicle was all sorted by that era and has been very reliable. The perhaps more refined early X250 base vehicle had many well reported teething problems.... not Fiats proudest moment.
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Thanks Fred, have you had many problems with yours over the years, e.g. rust, or anything major needing replacing?
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The Exsis Owners website is a mine of informarion relating to these Hymer models, particularly the “Little Exsis Book” that runs to 751 pages.
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That's an incredible resource, quite overwhelming at 996 pages when I just downloaded!
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Autoquest Avantgarde 100 and 200 both come in under 5.5m. Overhead cab sleeping for kids and a user payload ~450kgms
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I would suggest a Sea Sloop 5 but its 5.7m and rare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPedQtK3liA
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Mag&Hal - 2020-05-02 11:12 AM

Autoquest Avantgarde 100 and 200 both come in under 5.5m. Overhead cab sleeping for kids and a user payload ~450kgms


The Avantgarde 200 and 100 models were suggested as possibilities on the first page of this thread, but the 200 has a rear U-lounge (so 3-point seat-belts on the cab seats only) and this 2006 review is very critical of the 100’s beds.

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/reviews/motorhome/30247-compass-avantgarde-100




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Location: SW Scotland - Wingamm Micros LHD 2016


I'm a bit late to this party but my experience of our Micros might still be of help to the OP. We added the official Wingamm additional berth kit to our Micros and in all honesty it wasn't money well spent. An additional cushion is supposed to add one sleeping position to the lower bed, but this doesn't work well on a bed which is already compromised in length. Two smaller children might be able to sleep on the bed thus extended, but my view is that for adults, it's a non-starter.

The additional berth kit also includes a rectangular table top instead of the oval top which comes as standard. While this might make for a better bed base, it made it near impossible to move around in the vehicle when installed as a table. We were fortunate in being able to revert to the original table top which the dealer still had.

The Micros is a delight in every other way for us as a retired couple. Best of luck to the OP in finding something suitable.
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Derek Uzzell - 2020-04-29 6:44 PM

Brian Kirby - 2020-04-29 5:13 PM

jonnybeare - 2020-04-29 2:56 PM................................I think of all the suggestions the Hymer Exsis SG looks pretty much exactly what we need. I think I'll try to find one to have a look around when the corona chaos is over.

Thanks for all your help :)

One for sale here: https://tinyurl.com/ydynd5mj Ledbury. Looks good on paper (but then it is being advertised for sale! ), and a fair price.


Two snags with the Exsis at Ledbury - it’s LHD and JB wants RHD, and it’s the SK version with three sleeping berths and JB needs four.

There’s a 2006 model-year Hymer Exsis brochure here

https://www.exsisowners.com/downloads/2006_Exsis_Brochure.pdf

and the SK and SG layouts are shown on Page 21.

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I had intended posting this ea4rlier, but I've been a bit tied up! Looking at page 21 of the Hymer brochure linked above by Derek, I gained the impression that the 4th berth was an optional extra on both the SK and SG versions (the 4th berth, and extra width to create it is referenced "SA", which is noted bottom right "(SA) = optional extra", but is not stated as specific to either version). If that is a correct interpretation, I suspect the rarity factor of a 4 berth of either version will be further increased. Can anyone confirm either way?
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This Practical Motorhome "Used Hymer Exsis buyer's guide”

https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/advice/50690-used-hymer-exsis-buyers-guide

reads as follows:

The layouts

Both of the Exsis variants featured the same full-width changing and showering area at the rear, including the toilet, a natty swing-out sink and a wardrobe.

A forward lounge was ahead of the centrally located kitchen.

The Exsis SK had twin inward-facing sofas, each of which could be specified as being able to be converted into a dedicated forward-facing travel seat with a three-point inertia-reel safety belt.

The Hymer Exsis SG had a shorter kitchen, a two-seat half-dinette on the UK nearside, and an inward-facing seat on the offside. The half-dinette provided two rear travel seats.

Both variants featured a drop-down over-lounge bed. An additional single (SK) or double bed (SG) could be made by lowering the permanently secured table and shuffling the cushions around.

This generation of Exsis was built on the 3500kg chassis, with the heavier 3850kg version available as an extra-cost option.


The drawings on Page 21 of the 2006 Exsis brochure clearly show the SK model’s longer kitchen and photos on Page 17 show the transverse bed constructed from an SK’s pair of settees. Logically, then, the bottom bed’s optional increase in width frpm 90cm to 115cm should apply only to to the SG model. Presumably the option would require extra cushions and support and (possibly) intrude into the area of the entrance door’s opening.

As Ruby(Exsis) owns an SG model, he may well be able to advise about this.
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but after much (covid) delay we bought a 2009 Adria Twin and absolutely love it.

It turns out the compromise was length, we stretched to 6m and it just about fits behind our house, it overhangs our neighbour's garden by about 30cm but luckily they are lovely and don't mind.

Plus with some crafty placement of two storage crates and re-arranging of the lounge cushions it actually makes a second double bed for the kids.

Completely converted to van life now, going away nearly every weekend

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Posted: 21 July 2021 11:29 AM
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Well done! Glad you got sorted!
The Adria Twin is a good, highly-thought-of, van and to my way of thinking is probably as good a van as you could get/need for the job.

(At the ages you said yours were, the following will probably be too small for your children?..but still, may be of interest (assuming you haven't seen them before? - https://www.cabbunk.co.uk/# ?
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Thanks.

Yes cabbunk would probably be too small now, cool idea though.

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pepe63 - 2020-04-29 10:51 AM

Mornin' JB..

Another possibly daft question- How do you envisage using this van, how often (and for how long each time)?

If you're thinking of touring for weeks at time (during the school summer holidays), maybe abroad, and maybe moving on every few days, then something quite small that entails you putting up awnings and/or tents will become a pain in the backside..

If on the other hand, it's just for the occasional week long holiday, with some additional "impromptu" long weekends, then a short-ish, van conversion(as I linked to above) "may" possibly do you?

But do be aware, that by the time you have loaded an awning/ tent(s), sleeping bags/pillows, camp-beds,camping chairs/table(s),4 sets of clothing, 4 lots of footwear(that will get muddy!), 4 lots of coats(that will get wet!). etc etc, you do run the risk of having a van with "facilities" that are pretty much unusable until everything is disgorged on 'site..
( we have festival friends, some of which run quite swanky VW conversions...but the things are rammed to the gunnels, when they first roll up on 'site).

..and at some point, (usually whilst wrestling with a awning/ tent in the wind/rain) you will ask yourself ".. why have we spent XX 1000s on a ******* motorhome, only to end up putting a ****** tent up!?..." )

£20-25000 could get a decent sized,over-cab "family van"(possibly with bunk beds)? Obviously that wouldn't be as versatile(or as "cool"?) as a small van conversion,but until I'd explored the availability/cost of storage, I wouldn't fully rule one out..?

It all depends on what you actually "want"?
(but want we "want", is not always the same as what we "need")

I have a La Strada Trento with a pull down bed and double bed below. Has a shower and toilet. Been brilliant and it is 5.6 meters long. If you want to use it abroad you need it to be self contained. The French for example let you pull up at any aire and let you stay overnight.

So consider vans, but will be difficult given your dimensions. Autosleeper Symbol is compact.