Who’s going abroad from July 6th
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Posted: 27 June 2020 12:49 PM
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Motorhome all ready to go.
I’ve a few bits and pieces to do leaving us free to go from the 17th July.
We’ll keep well away from the busy areas and take more food than normal to cut down on shopping.
I’m not sure my wife is quite so eager.
Den
PS Lots of positive responses would be good, I can then show the wife ??
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Posted: 27 June 2020 12:57 PM
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Sorry, can't give you a positive to this. You still have to get across to the continent and back and that's where the major risks are. Would love to go but prefer to stay safe for now so we can go and enjoy everything when we do. Will wait and see how things pan out once things are open again.
Sorry and good luck.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 2:58 PM
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Had Dover Calais booked for 2 July since Xmas. SWMBO decided I didn't want to go so cancelled it and I THINK I got a voucher. Suggested to P&O they just rebook for 2021 but they weren't keen to do that, I guess they'll put their fares up next year and didn't want to give a discounted xing.

Anyway, she's decided we're not going this year
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Posted: 27 June 2020 3:22 PM
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Using Eurotunnel will get you across the Channel without mingling with the crowd heading back down the stairs to the car deck, so tell your wife you are paying extra for her personal wellbeing. Once you’re over there you tell her she’ll be safer avoiding toilet blocks on campsites so you can recover the extra cost of the Chunnel by stopping on Aires!
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Posted: 27 June 2020 3:25 PM
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As mobile motorhomers, with all their own facilities, I would 'guess' that touring would not be too risky in terms of catching the virus if you keep your distance from others ( but obviously there is some risk ).

My concern would be getting stuck somewhere - because of sudden local lockdowns, border closures, cancelled ferries, etc.

It's a bit like going away without insurance - most times you will get away with it !

Good luck anyway to anyone who does decide to go.

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Posted: 27 June 2020 4:22 PM
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We have had the tunnel booked for 19th July and ferry 22nd July from Ancona to Igoumenitsa since December. Think we are most likely to ditch the Greece part and maybe go to Croatia again or possibly Spain. A lot will depend on the list of countries we don't have to do 14 days quarantine on return. The other fly in the ointment is the fact that as the EU has not yet put out its list of countries it's prepared to accept travellers from. It looks like countries with a poor Covid-19 record (USA, Brazil, etc) will not be allowed into the EU. There is some speculation the UK could well be in the same situation, give our poor record.

This article mention UK as a country that could be banned in the third paragraph.
https://tinyurl.com/ybl55znd

Another article in the New York Times states that the UK will still be classes as part of the EU. (4th from last paragraph)
https://tinyurl.com/y84gzwf3

Confusing eh?

In terms of getting across channel, we always use the tunnel. Did use the ferry once a few years back, but never again.

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Posted: 27 June 2020 4:31 PM
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We aren't planning any trips for this year have done 3 trips a year for last 10 yrs.
My thoughts are also how we'd be welcomed after the beach invasions show on TV news ministers from Germany an France where appalled by the scenes
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Posted: 27 June 2020 5:03 PM
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Sorry...... I too cannot give you a positive on this - for 2 main reasons.

1) Whether you are careful or not you may well be spreading the virus by travelling around. You have to stop and interact with local people, shops, petrol stations, sites/aires, You also may get the virus from them, then unwittingly bring it back with you. I really don't think that's fair on the locals.

2) Unless your aim is to go and sit in a field staring at your navel, what are you going to do? The beauty of going to Europe is seeing the sights, sampling the food, watching the world go by from a pavement cafe etc etc. All high risk pastimes at present.

As we are seeing in the USA and other places that have opened up too soon, there are second spikes coming and they will be more damaging and deadly than the original.

So we are giving it a miss this year and finding the beautiful secluded walks around South East Kent (The Garden of England!) - away from the beaches I might add!

Jeremy


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Posted: 27 June 2020 5:21 PM
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Nope, not us. We had Spain and Cyprus planned but we've decided to put things on hold until next year. We'll stay in the UK and inject a bit of dosh into our own economy while knowing that our health and vehicle insurances are 100% valid.

England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales are truely fantatsic places with loads to offer - and all on my doorstep too.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 5:30 PM
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It’s all down to individual risk assessment. There’s probably as much chance of catching the virus in the UK as on the Continent and probably even more chance in the UK. If you have comorbidities then you may prefer to lock yourself down in the UK I suppose and indeed you may be wise to do so. With the availability of a vaccination still uncertain certainly for the next 12-18 months if ever, it’s probable that most of us all going to catch it eventuality anyway, although hopefully after better treatments have been established.

Speaking personally, we’re lower risk, aren’t too concerned about catching the virus (assuming we haven’t had it already), and with the travel corridors opening will be heading for Europe once personal circumstances . We'll probably restrict ouselves to France and will travel much as we’ve always done, stopping in Aires and buying food locally as we go along. And yes, we’ll be taking the ferry, we find it a much pleasanter start to a holiday. And I wouldn’t worry that you'll be the sole person somehow spreading the virus, people are traveling again in Europe en mass, you will not be alone. Personally I wouldn’t want to holiday in the UK this year, If people really are going for ‘staycations’ then it’s going to be crowded and expensive.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 5:51 PM
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As it appears that health insurance taken out since March will not cover Covid and Ehic cover is limited we are staying home. Nor are we travelling to the hotspots like Bournmouth and Barnards Castle. If there is another lockdown at least we can get home.


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witzend - 2020-06-27 5:31 PM

We aren't planning any trips for this year have done 3 trips a year for last 10 yrs.
My thoughts are also how we'd be welcomed after the beach invasions show on TV news ministers from Germany an France where appalled by the scenes


Having lived in Germany for 27 years I can assure you the that some Germans are quite capable of making our beach invasions look like a scene from The Sound Of Music. I've been to football matches, rock festivals etc. in Germany (and France) and have witnessed scenes that would make you shudder. Rosenmontag and carnival are about some of the most debauched events you can get! I love the country, but, its as rough and tumble as UK, if not worse at times. I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to ministers etc. Like ours, they don't speak for the people.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 6:07 PM
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bobalobs - 2020-06-27 5:51 PM
If there is another lockdown at least we can get home.

On the ‘another lockdown’ issue I think that you’ll find that any further UK ‘lockdowns’ will be localised and the same would apply to the Continent. Any attempt at a major country wide lockdown will both damage the economy further and risks social unrest/disobedience, neither of which would be politically acceptable. A localised lockdown is most likely to be specific enough to target gatherings, eg pubs, beaches, how many people can meet in the open etc. It won’t be very effective (motorhomers for instance could just travel to another area) but ever little helps and would send a message to ‘stay alert’.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 6:58 PM
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We are Frequent travellers with eurotunnel and try to use the 5 return trips in the 12 month allotted period
We find this easy and staying in your own space for 35 mins suits us .
The amenities are closed, but us MH’s have all we need aboard.
I must admit I’m not looking forward to shopping having not been into a store since the 20th March.
But we’ll take more than normal and shop infrequently and choose our times to shop
We down sized from an A class to a PVC ( Malibu ) in 2016 and find it very convenient parking and mingling with cars in car parks.
Insurance wise we use Allclear and a couple of days ago they added COVID 19 to the list Of included and not excluded it. Which is great news.
We tend only to use Aires in France with the exception of Moustiers-Ste - Marie in the Alps and
Saint - Martin -d’Ardeche.
Both have very large pitches.
We are also lucky in having a place in Almoradi in Spain and we’ll definitely not be flying there until 2022.
I prefer to drive anyway luckily.

Take everyone
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Posted: 27 June 2020 7:40 PM
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Flying out to Malaga on 7th July to collect stored moho, as we left it there 23rd March after being hounded by police to leave Spain, it was our decision to fly back,not realising how long the lockdown would be. Looking forward to mega hot sunshine and cheap food and drinks!!l
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Posted: 27 June 2020 9:28 PM
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Already abroad here in Sweden. Like a different world here, almost everything open and people behaving normally. Weather is not half bad either and the Swedes are welcoming and friendly.
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Posted: 27 June 2020 9:38 PM
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No overseas travel for us this year. All I can see are downsides. We were out in the van the week before lockdown but came home before lockdown was announced as it just felt uncomfortable having to be constantly on your guard for social distancing etc. It took the edge of what motorhoming is supposed to be all about which is the freedom to travel freely without a care in the world. Who knows what might happen to any countries Covid alert status and consequent effect on travel. It’s not the end of the world if we don’t get abroad , it will still be there next year. Might get a few days away not too far from home.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 10:25 AM
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No overseas for us either.

We want to support our UK leisure industry as a priority!

Having said that I looked at booking a few nights at a C&MC site in July (Stonehaven) - £32.40 / night for 2 people ................... !!!! And personally we will use our own facilities so the cost is for a pitch the size of a small African state, water and waste disposal.

But we will grit our teeth on this occasion and pay through the nose for a few nights mainly to support the local businesses not C&MC (our membership is lapsing later this year)

And we'll use Brit Stops when available, usually farm shops ....
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webpax - 2020-06-27 9:28 PM

Already abroad here in Sweden. Like a different world here, almost everything open and people behaving normally. Weather is not half bad either and the Swedes are welcoming and friendly.


Funny enough, when thinking about OP I had decided that Sweden, with currently twice the death rate of UK, was not somewhere I wanted to be at moment.
I'm not able to holiday for at least a couple of months, so Germany in autumn looks good to me.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 12:46 PM
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No chance...especially Sweden!
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Posted: 28 June 2020 1:15 PM
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I can’t show this to Carole.
I’m being greatly outvoted.
Just maybe I should have said it’s now 2021 and wouldn’t you like to be going to france ect.
So many of my customers have cancelled holidays abroad and now planning staycations, it’s going to be extremely busy in the Uk.
We may not be going this July, but I’ll see how it goes and book August onwards ????
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Posted: 28 June 2020 1:20 PM
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Sounding wiser, let the others be the guinea pigs and see how things go. You wouldn't want to have to go through the hassle of countries locking down and borders being closed again. Patience, time will tell and then we can all moan about lack of ferry space. Enjoy it while you can.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 1:33 PM
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All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!
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We are already in Portugal and decided last Sunday to give it a go using all our own facilities. We went for 3 nights to the campsite in Lagoa St. Andre on the west coast which had been inspected and given a "clean and safe" certificate. It is a large campsite and the spacing for motorhomes was very generous. Had 3 lovely days there, OK no bars, restaurants etc. but thats not our thing anyway. If we didn't already live here I'm not sure we would have done it though.
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Posted: 28 June 2020 1:56 PM
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webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


As of 26th June 5.55% of deaths in Sweden are for under 60, once you hit 60+ it ramps up considerably. Sweden is climbing the charts and is now one of the worst in Europe for death rates, whereas the surrounding Scandinavian countries are considerably lower.

p.s. CV-19 in Sweden has so far this year killed 20 times the total number killed in road accidents last year, at that rate it is some 40 to 50 times more dangerous.

Edited by colin 2020-06-28 2:06 PM
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webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


And what are the stats for over 60s and over 70s?

The "bizarre sight" you refer to is people showing respect for others since scientific evidence suggests masks worn provide little or no protection to the wearer but do afford some protection for others in shops, public transport etc should the wearer be infected.

You may consider it a "tiny risk" but my 42 year old daughter had a hard time after contracting covid whilst working with covid patients in ICU. She was wearing full medical grade PPE at the time. So by all means take your "tiny risk" - I wish you well

The main problem getting out of lockdown is behaviour - if individuals followed the advice we would get to a new normal quicker but so many take covid lightly, think they know better than health professionals and show little respect for others

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Den - 2020-06-28 1:15 PM

........... it’s going to be extremely busy in the Uk.



But will it be? Fewer tourists from mainland Europe?
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arthur49 - 2020-06-28 2:13 PM

webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


And what are the stats for over 60s and over 70s?

The "bizarre sight" you refer to is people showing respect for others since scientific evidence suggests masks worn provide little or no protection to the wearer but do afford some protection for others in shops, public transport etc should the wearer be infected.

You may consider it a "tiny risk" but my 42 year old daughter had a hard time after contracting covid whilst working with covid patients in ICU. She was wearing full medical grade PPE at the time. So by all means take your "tiny risk" - I wish you well

The main problem getting out of lockdown is behaviour - if individuals followed the advice we would get to a new normal quicker but so many take covid lightly, think they know better than health professionals and show little respect for others



I think you are spot on with these observations. It is the arrogance of the " I know better brigade" who are creating problems for everyone.

I think the best way to proceed is to assume that everyone that you meet has the virus, so to stay safe and keep others safe, don't meet people!
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Den - 2020-06-28 1:15 PM

I can’t show this to Carole.
I’m being greatly outvoted.

I’d suggest you don’t take much notice of opinions expressed on this forum unless they relate to a technical issue. It’s likely that only a tiny minority of motorhomers regularly read on-line forums and even fewer contribute so with such a small sample and with many people having prejudices or an axe to grind our opinions are really not worth the pixel space they take up. Instead, do your own research (don’t rely on the media) and decide what will work for you.
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There is no right or wrong solution here. As I said earlier, the only way you might avoid getting/spreading Covid-19 is to stay indoors until a vaccine is found. If folk are going away in a motorhome it doesn't really make much difference if you stay in UK or go to Europe. I heard today that in the New Forest at least 15 campsites will not be opening this summer. Pubs that would usually let you stay overnight in the carpark, may not be very welcoming as they may well be utilising car parks for outdoor seating/dining areas. Now if that pattern is repeated around UK and the folk that normally go to Europe stay home then its going to be chaos on the roads and at campsites. Europe, with many, many more campsites, aires, stelplatz, sosta etc and much more space seems to me to be a safer bet? I wouldn't go near a ferry, I think the tunnel is probably the safest form of international travel as you remain completely isolated. In the end folk have to use common sense and do what they think will keep themselves and others safe.

This could all be red herrings anyway, as yet we have not had the green light from the EU, they may not even let us in!
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The first trip I'll be making across the channel is to Calais Wine Superstore using their free travel scheme!

My voucher expired during lock down but those nice people at P&O have extended its validity until the end of September.

Got a very empty wine fridge to refill !

Just a day trip should be enough staying on deck both ways.
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rael - 2020-06-27 5:22 PMThink we are most likely to ditch the Greece part and maybe go to Croatia again or possibly Spain. A lot will depend on the list of countries we don't have to do 14 days quarantine on return. .


Just a note that Croatian active cases are again ramping up considerably over the past few days. With the tourist season back in full swing they are unlikely to go back to a lockdown (it is their no.1 industry by far) but the decision might be out of their hands if they don't get it under control quickly. Also significant increases of cases in other neighboring countries so conditions for travelling to Greece by land from any direction seem to change daily.

I suspect the entire mediteranean will see similar scenarios. Tourism is just too important for them to go back into all out lockdowns.
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colin - 2020-06-28 1:56 PM

webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


As of 26th June 5.55% of deaths in Sweden are for under 60, once you hit 60+ it ramps up considerably. Sweden is climbing the charts and is now one of the worst in Europe for death rates, whereas the surrounding Scandinavian countries are considerably lower.

p.s. CV-19 in Sweden has so far this year killed 20 times the total number killed in road accidents last year, at that rate it is some 40 to 50 times more dangerous.


5.55% of the 0.005% of the Swedish population who've died with Covid i.e. a tiny percentage. Less than 200 people so fewer than killed in RTAs in Sweden.
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rael - 2020-06-27 5:22 PMThink we are most likely to ditch the Greece part and maybe go to Croatia again or possibly Spain. A lot will depend on the list of countries we don't have to do 14 days quarantine on return. .


Just a note that Croatian active cases are again ramping up considerably over the past few days. With the tourist season back in full swing they are unlikely to go back to a lockdown (it is their no.1 industry by far) but the decision might be out of their hands if they don't get it under control quickly. Also significant increases of cases in other neighboring countries so conditions for travelling to Greece by land from any direction seem to change daily.

I suspect the entire mediteranean will see similar scenarios. Tourism is just too important for them to go back into all out lockdowns.


Thanks for the info. Have now 99.99% knocked Greece on the head, booked on the Ancona-Igoumenitsa line, but can defer for up to 18 months. Pondering our options. Croatia is doable but not easy, Slovenia will let you transit, but can't stay as UK not on their safe list. Austria a non-starter at the moment. So would be France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Slovenia........ Might just go to Bournemouth.
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webpax - 2020-06-28 7:01 PM

colin - 2020-06-28 1:56 PM

webpax - 2020-06-28 1:33 PM

All sense of proportion seems to have been lost with respect to Covid death rates. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden have, like elsewhere, been among the very elderly with comorbidities. The current death statistics for under 60's in Sweden is 0.002%. More people die in road traffic accidents in Sweden in a typical year.

I'd rather take such a tiny risk and be able to freely go to church, go to a bar, eat in a restaurant and not see the bizarre sight of people walking around in masks looking like surgeons who've taken a wrong turn out of the hospital!


As of 26th June 5.55% of deaths in Sweden are for under 60, once you hit 60+ it ramps up considerably. Sweden is climbing the charts and is now one of the worst in Europe for death rates, whereas the surrounding Scandinavian countries are considerably lower.

p.s. CV-19 in Sweden has so far this year killed 20 times the total number killed in road accidents last year, at that rate it is some 40 to 50 times more dangerous.


5.55% of the 0.005% of the Swedish population who've died with Covid i.e. a tiny percentage. Less than 200 people so fewer than killed in RTAs in Sweden.


5,280 CV-19 deaths in Sweden, which as I posted is 20 times that of last years road deaths, and for less than 6 months. 369 of these where in their 60s and 1151 in their 70s, and not to forget the 218 under 60s but that hardly applies to the average motorhome owner.

Edited by colin 2020-06-28 7:37 PM
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I'm struggling to differentiate between those who have crowded on to our beaches from those who are choosing to go abroad and share campsites, aires etc with all the other EU motorhomers who are equally frustrated at having been locked down and will also be seeking out those parking spaces..
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We just returned from Spain and France and found no problems. Very busy in the area around Calais, mostly French Belgian and German but no Brits in the sites we stopped in! Life has returned to an "apparent" normal, with few people wearing masks or gloves and little attempts at social distancing. But where was it worst? Back here in the UK, really busy and can't wait to leave to get back to Spain again. It is more than possible to keep safe in France and Spain, and of course, the bars and restaurants are open if you want to take that risk. Much better in Spain with S/D and service generally with masks and gloves. We felt quite safe in Spain, and there are very few motorhomes on the road, whereas in France it is quite busy.
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Hi Ainsley
Our neighbours in Spain said exactly the same.
They feel very safe and believe the Spanish government backed by the Police handled The situation very well and can’t believe what they see going on over here.
We probably won’t make it to Spain on the next trip, maybe south of France
Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer on a very large spaced out Aire.
ThNk you everyone for your input.
It’s interesting to hear what everyone is doing this year and next.

Stay safe
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Well, we tend to go on impulse quite a lot and this time is no exception........ the ferry is booked for 3rd August.

Our limited and impulsive reasoning was based on 'space'
I fully agree that we have a lot of amazing places to visit in the UK but as always we are not geared up for motorhomes the same way as France.

I know that if you think about 'what if' too much you would do nothing.

Our plan is quite simple, armed with our gloves and masks if required, keep our selves to our selves, social distance and head for the wider open spaces.

Not asking anyone to agree or disagree with our decisions but the bottom line for us is that both myself and my better half are classed as key workers and feel that we can keep our selves and others safe in the spacious areas of France.

If they let us in
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kevandali - 2020-06-29 11:37 PM

Well, we tend to go on impulse quite a lot and this time is no exception........ the ferry is booked for 3rd August.

Our limited and impulsive reasoning was based on 'space'
I fully agree that we have a lot of amazing places to visit in the UK but as always we are not geared up for motorhomes the same way as France.

I know that if you think about 'what if' too much you would do nothing.

Our plan is quite simple, armed with our gloves and masks if required, keep our selves to our selves, social distance and head for the wider open spaces.

Not asking anyone to agree or disagree with our decisions but the bottom line for us is that both myself and my better half are classed as key workers and feel that we can keep our selves and others safe in the spacious areas of France.

If they let us in


Looks like we will still be considered as part of the EU for travel purposes until 31/12/2020.
Fifth paragraph from the end of this article by the EU
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However, that probably doesn't stop EU countries blocking UK visitors as in yesterdays announcement by Greece to extend the ban on Brits by another two weeks, and who can blame them?
I'm about to change my ferry ticket for Ancona - Igoumenitsa from 22nd July to an open ticket and try again next year!
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laimeduck - 2020-06-27 5:03 PM

Sorry...... I too cannot give you a positive on this - for 2 main reasons.

1) Whether you are careful or not you may well be spreading the virus by travelling around. You have to stop and interact with local people, shops, petrol stations, sites/aires, You also may get the virus from them, then unwittingly bring it back with you. I really don't think that's fair on the locals.

2) Unless your aim is to go and sit in a field staring at your navel, what are you going to do? The beauty of going to Europe is seeing the sights, sampling the food, watching the world go by from a pavement cafe etc etc. All high risk pastimes at present.

As we are seeing in the USA and other places that have opened up too soon, there are second spikes coming and they will be more damaging and deadly than the original.

So we are giving it a miss this year and finding the beautiful secluded walks around South East Kent (The Garden of England!) - away from the beaches I might add!

Jeremy


Strange sat on a pavement watching world go by etc purgatory for me. Naval watching more interesting, or walking on coasts woods, mountains where you can avoid people. Good job we are all different. Tunnel for us no mixing. Stay safe everyone.
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With quarantine rules being removed we will be off through Europe in August, for me rural areas and hills are far safer than any cities. I can understand over 70s staying safe, we all need to gauge our own risks.
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It’s good to hear some positive comments and I totally agree. France is huge with some fantastic places to visit.
We’ll make our way towards the Alps to my favorite site.
Ifs it’s busy no problem loads of other Aires and places to distance us from others.
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Steve H - 2020-06-28 8:10 PM

I'm struggling to differentiate between those who have crowded on to our beaches from those who are choosing to go abroad and share campsites, aires etc with all the other EU motorhomers who are equally frustrated at having been locked down and will also be seeking out those parking spaces..

I can't see any difference either why people can't just write off their jollys for this year is beyond me.
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I can't see any difference either why people can't just write off their jollys for this year is beyond me.


You should maybe ask yourself 'why would they?'. We now know that Sars-Cov-2 is mostly a mortality risk for the elderly and those with co-morbidities (including obesity). The majority of (younger) people , if they experience any impact from catching the virus, will at worst experience what feels like a bad case of the flu. Put simply, the majority of people, in England at least, no longer care because it’s not perceived as a great health threat to them especially now that the English government is winding down its prominence. And before someone points out ‘what about grand parents and parents’, as there tends to be so little close physical contact with either these days, once again, many people either don’t care or think their remote actions will not impact elderly relatives.

My son has a friend living on the Cornish/Devon border who knows the owner of one of the larger campsites. They have over 2,000 people (people not necessarily individual caravans/tents etc) turning up from different parts of the country at the weekend and are fully booked for the next three weeks. The implications are obvious. I think the fact is, the political emphasis now is on trying to save whatever shred of the UK economy still exists from total extinction and that will understandably take precedence over short term health concerns that mostly impact the mortality of economically inactive.

So based on all that, ie human nature, we can make our choices, ie stay at home, take a break in the UK or take a break abroad. We will mostly no doubt each assess our individual risk and disregard ‘group risk’. Each to their own.
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Our plans were to be in France and Spain this year but we are now planning to leave it till next year instead, hopefully.

Blackpool Illuminations here we come.

We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

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lancepar - 2020-07-03 11:43 AM
We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

Can't say where it is, its a secret.


Except it's named on your Photo
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Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.
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We do have a lovely bolt hole, not far away we can visit anytime and have all to ourselves. Been there already this year.

Can't say where it is, its a secret.


Except it's named on your Photo


Oh no............how did that happen

Stay Safe Keith

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Now that we have postponed Greece until next year, or next target was Croatia, but thats looking tricky. Slovenia is not on 'the list' of countries you can visit without having to do 14 days quarantine on return to England. So for a 22km transit of Slovenia to get into Croatia we'd have to do 14 days when we get back! Also Croatia has a requirement that you have proof of accomadation for entry to the country. Spain it is then.
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Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.


Yeh well the death toll for over 60’s is not imaginary. There are risks to every activity but you don’t have to stick your head in the oven.
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simon says - 2020-07-03 12:16 PM

Booked for Dieppe on the 16th July. We Intend to tour Brittany though I expect it to be very busy but we will try to pick quieter spots.. We only use Aires and are not ones for bars and restaurants so will be able to social distance.
It's disappointing how timid Brits seem to have become but not surprising considering the panics we have been subjected to from the Government and media over the last 40 years eg climate change, BSE, food scares, bird flu etc, Yes there are risks to every activity but most are imagined often through ignorance.
Commonsense seems to be at a premium these days.


Yeh well the death toll for over 60’s is not imaginary. There are risks to every activity but you don’t have to stick your head in the oven.


It appears we may have had it .......

As our chums we meet up with in Spain have both tested positive for having it according to the 89 quid each test they paid for ........

We had a queer lurgy this Feb that was rampant on the campsite in Spain that sent me to my bed for a day ......

I suspect it either got pi**ed in my blood stream or read my thoughts .......and said lets get the f*ck outa here ........

Edited by pelmetman 2020-07-03 6:24 PM
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Confusion reigns on GOV.UK over travel advice. The FCO now says you can go to Slovenia and Lithuania for non-essential travel, but you would still have to quarantine for 14 days on return. Anyone know why? If its safe to go why are these two countries not on the exempt from quarantine list? Oh, and British Antarctic Territory also falls into this category. I'm sure there are more.
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pelmetman - 2020-07-03 6:21 PM

It appears we may have had it .......

As our chums we meet up with in Spain have both tested positive for having it according to the 89 quid each test they paid for ........

We had a queer lurgy this Feb that was rampant on the campsite in Spain that sent me to my bed for a day ......

I suspect it either got pi**ed in my blood stream or read my thoughts .......and said lets get the f*ck outa here ........


I thought I might have had it too. I was unwell in March for 11 days and had symptoms including a slight fever, chills, persistent dry cough, shortness of breath, night delirium, and the strangest throat that I can only describe as incredibly dry whilst feeling like I had swallowed a thousand pins and they were all stuck there.

Despite that, when I took part in the Imperial College test research 3 weeks ago, I tested negative for antibodies in two separate tests of a self-testing kit, although still awaiting the lab blood results.

There are three possibilities though - I had something else entirely, the self test kits that were being tested aren't reliable, or as was suggested to me whilst I was there, increasing evidence suggests that antibodies may only last a short time (up to a few months) in patients who have not experienced severe illness.
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flyboyprowler - 2020-07-03 1:35 PM

Everyone off to Snitterfield then


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flyboyprowler - 2020-07-03 1:35 PM

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We're booked on the tunnel for August 4th and heading for Spain where I am certain life will be a lot safer than here as the Spanish Government have demonstrated that they care for their population in a way which the British Government has not. Left to me I wouldn't return at all most especially after December 31st
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-07-04 1:15 PM

We're booked on the tunnel for August 4th and heading for Spain where I am certain life will be a lot safer than here as the Spanish Government have demonstrated that they care for their population in a way which the British Government has not. Left to me I wouldn't return at all most especially after December 31st


Certainty is in short supply in the middle of a pandemic of a potentially fatal disease. The Spanish have just announced Lockdown of an area of 400,000 people near Barcelona. Good luck.
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Well I'm off to Germany on Monday (6th), Eurotunnel, then France, Belgium, Holland, Germany and looking forward to it. Lots of slots in the tunnel taken with some days sold out eg Sunday 5th which is when I wanted to go. I'm 66, not quite in the at risk category, however, close enough to maintain all the precautions drummed into us over the last 3 months.
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pelmetman - 2020-07-03 6:21 PM

It appears we may have had it .......

As our chums we meet up with in Spain have both tested positive for having it according to the 89 quid each test they paid for ........

We had a queer lurgy this Feb that was rampant on the campsite in Spain that sent me to my bed for a day ......

I suspect it either got pi**ed in my blood stream or read my thoughts .......and said lets get the f*ck outa here ........


I thought I might have had it too. I was unwell in March for 11 days and had symptoms including a slight fever, chills, persistent dry cough, shortness of breath, night delirium, and the strangest throat that I can only describe as incredibly dry whilst feeling like I had swallowed a thousand pins and they were all stuck there.

Despite that, when I took part in the Imperial College test research 3 weeks ago, I tested negative for antibodies in two separate tests of a self-testing kit, although still awaiting the lab blood results.

There are three possibilities though - I had something else entirely, the self test kits that were being tested aren't reliable, or as was suggested to me whilst I was there, increasing evidence suggests that antibodies may only last a short time (up to a few months) in patients who have not experienced severe illness.


If you wanted to be certain, you could get an antibody test.
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Deneb - 2020-07-04 12:54 PM

Despite that, when I took part in the Imperial College test research 3 weeks ago, I tested negative for antibodies in two separate tests of a self-testing kit, although still awaiting the lab blood results.


If you wanted to be certain, you could get an antibody test.


I had two antibody tests as I stated, both using the test kit that is/was intended to be distributed for widespread self testing. One of the tests I administered myself, and the second was repeated by a physician as part of the research program. I also had several blood specimens taken for laboratory analysis and comparison to the several antigen/antibody tests that were both self completed and taken by the physician. I was promised that the blood test results would be sent to me about a month later, which will be a week or so from now.

I had included the information that I had previously experienced Covid type symptoms as part of the induction process. When both antibody tests from the self testing kits returned negative results, I was told that if I had been unwell with Covid in mid to late March, one possibility was that any antibodies could have disappeared by the time of the tests in early June.

I understand that medical opinion is now leaning towards antibody tests being of limited use, and perhaps not having the importance that was initially assumed, with more emphasis being placed on something called T-cell immunity that is more difficult to test for. Whether the various tests on my blood samples have included that, I have no idea until I receive the results.
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I've seen reports of people who have previously been tested and confirmed as having CV-19 now don't show on anti body test, I've not seen the timescales, so it could be either the test is not very accurate, or anti bodies are going within a couple of months.
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HarveyHeaven - 2020-07-04 1:15 PM

We're booked on the tunnel for August 4th and heading for Spain where I am certain life will be a lot safer than here as the Spanish Government have demonstrated that they care for their population in a way which the British Government has not. Left to me I wouldn't return at all most especially after December 31st


We are applying for residency in Spain.
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We live in France and have made two short camping trips in the last couple of weeks. Also, I travel widely for work. For all intents and purposes things are almost back to normal. There are varying requirements regards masks, hand washing and the like but in the main most bars and restaurants are back to normal or just going through the legal motions.
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I’d be very interested to know how welcome the French are towards the British.
Should any of you lucky Motorhomers be traveling around the South of France, Alps and inner parts.
Have a great safe time
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Den - 2020-07-10 12:23 PM

I’d be very interested to know how welcome the French are towards the British.
Should any of you lucky Motorhomers be traveling around the South of France, Alps and inner parts.
Have a great safe time
Den


I have never experienced anything but a friendly and courteous response from any French person. They do not exhibit overly enthusiastic behaviour to strangers, they are a bit more formal than we are. After a few meetings you will have to get used to being kissed on both cheeks by the ladies or by the men if you are female. In many areas Covid 19 is of minor concern although it still exists of course, I cannot think that Covid will make any difference, I will greet my neighbours as normal but avoid any kissy kissy or handshakes using the elbow touch if I can get away with it! As a French man once told me, " We like the English, you are almost civilised"
I am off to a field in Dept 36 in a few weeks, I will park up and only move to shop at Lidl or the local boulangerie, I reckon I will be as safe there as anywhere.
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I totally agree with you Geoff.
Having purchased 3 LeVoyageurs and been mixing with French so many times on our trips back to the Factory, plus we received invites to the Lebouget MH show including a 3 course meal with loads of drinks all free.we found them brilliant and one gentleman wanted to be close to our table so he could speak English.
Fantastic.
We note in the news that Europeans are not so happy with us going to Spain and France.
I tend to think this is news to sell papers.
But I’d be interested in what people find when they arrive, more curiosity than anything.
Just Incase I have ordered French number plates, a string of garlic and a Beret ??
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Some entertaining data here

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/articles-reports/2020/07/08/stay-away-europeans-tell-british-tourists

The charts show that 5% of French tourists would be willing to consider coming to Britain, but 17% would not consider this because of COVID-19. But the amusing bit is the comment (probably accurate) that “French people didn’t want to come anyway..."
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I have quite a few Gite owners amongst my customers and they are all saying the same thing; whereas normally they would have predominantly British clientele, this year they are fully booked with people from the French cities.

The camp sites on my route however are very quiet. At Aubeterre-sur-Dronne where we went last week there were 8 or 10 vans in the free aires and only around 5 or 6 in the camp site despite them reducing the price to €12 per night including electricity and Wi-Fi. The aires around this area are very quiet compared to normal for July. I've seen a few British vans and some Dutch but the numbers are well down.

Don't worry about not being made welcome. It is all newspaper hype.
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Den - 2020-07-10 5:26 PM

I totally agree with you Geoff.
Having purchased 3 LeVoyageurs and been mixing with French so many times on our trips back to the Factory, plus we received invites to the Lebouget MH show including a 3 course meal with loads of drinks all free.we found them brilliant and one gentleman wanted to be close to our table so he could speak English.
Fantastic.
We note in the news that Europeans are not so happy with us going to Spain and France.
I tend to think this is news to sell papers.
But I’d be interested in what people find when they arrive, more curiosity than anything.
Just Incase I have ordered French number plates, a string of garlic and a Beret ??


Couldn't agree more Den, loved our time at Le Voyageur and was sad to see Miriam leave. I would buy another as well, if only for the service and the meal and drinks at Le Bourget!
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I fully expected all the French Motorhomes would be out in force.
You certainly live in a nice area.
It’s a great shame for sites to have so few staying and to add insult to injury to greatly reduce prices, fingers crossed during the summer period holiday makers will gain confidence.
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Posted: 11 July 2020 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: Who’s going abroad from July 6th
 
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We live in the Lot Valley, and there are now quite a lot of French and Dutch motorhomes around. At this moment we are actually in the UK for a few days to visit our new Grandson. We came over on Friday by Eurotunnel, and felt quite comfortable with all the arrangements, but we are inclined to be a bit careful, I'm 82 and have serious heart problems, and CG, whilst a lot younger than me, has auto-immune problems, so we take care, but if you take care you should be OK.
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Posted: 12 July 2020 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Who’s going abroad from July 6th
 
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Hi Ainsley
Did you go to the Circus party celebrating ( forgot how many years they were celebrating)
They took over the camp site and Myrian did a dance looking very nice. ??
They were great days when they were in the old repair centre.
We probably went 15 times over 4 years and the French customers walking out with bits and pieces and telling us to help ourselves.