Trump's Last Throw of the Dice?
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Posted: 6 January 2021 11:35 AM
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It's looking like the Senate Re-run Elections are going to deliver two Democrat seats and therefore Democrat control of Congress - and Vice President Pence has stated publicly that he is not going to upset the purely procedural count of Electorlal Colllege votes in the Senate, as Trump had demanded of him - and the public letter signed by the last ten Defence Secretaries, tell the US public that Trump must not try to use the Military to upset the election of Joe Briden, so it looks like Trump's goose is now well and truly cooked. He's still got the riotous assembly in Washington which he's being trying to encourage but surely he's now going to wind his neck in and accept that he's been beaten.

Woudn't it be nice to see him being led away in handcuffs by the FBI instead of flying of to Miami in Air Force One as his final fling.
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Posted: 6 January 2021 12:17 PM
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I don't think we will have seen the last of him, even when he does go.
With 73 million+ votes, I think the Republican party will have trouble getting rid of him and/or will have trouble if they do get rid of him, especially if he stood as an *independent?
(* that assuming that such a thing is possible/plausible in the 'States?)
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Posted: 6 January 2021 2:23 PM
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StuartO - 2021-01-06 11:35 AM

Woudn't it be nice to see him being led away in handcuffs by the FBI instead of flying of to Miami in Air Force One as his final fling.

He should be....the man is a crook who was never fit to hold office and i'm disappointed Americans put up with the narcissist megalomaniac for so long. Bernstein and Woodward exposed Nixons criminality and brought him down with pen, jotter pad and typewriter....but they were young enthusiastic journalists that never gave up. America badly needed another Bernstein/Woodward.



pepe63 - 2021-01-06 12:17 PM

I don't think we will have seen the last of him, even when he does go. With 73 million+ votes, I think the Republican party will have trouble getting rid of him and/or will have trouble if they do get rid of him, especially if he stood as an *independent?
(* that assuming that such a thing is possible/plausible in the 'States?)

He'll continue blarting like the big babie he is as he craves attention but when he realises people are laughing at him, his fragile ego can't handle it and he has a meltdown, usually via Twitter.
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Posted: 6 January 2021 4:50 PM
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Interesting that Pence is not playing ball. Some thought Trump would resign and get Pence to step in and Pardon Trump for the raft of cases that might be brought against him but some said that Pence may well distance himself from him and drop him in the sh1t. Lets hope its the latter and he goes to jail. I think thats really important otherwise they may well end up with another wannabe dictator who thinks they are untouchable down the line and he or she might not be as stupid as Trump.

As for the Republican Party they should distance themselves from him also, plus if he is in Jail thats the end of him full stop forever with any luck.

We just have to find a way to do the same with Johnson next.

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Posted: 6 January 2021 5:44 PM
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The presidential pardon only applies to federal crimes, interfering in Georgia election is a state crime, that and several others are most probably being teed up.
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Posted: 6 January 2021 7:39 PM
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Maybe it's time to call out the military, clear these loonies off the streets, and physically eject Trump from the WH as he's whipping up his fanatics and refusing to concede.

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Pence has said he will ignore Trump’s plea to throw Biden’s win out, saying it would be unconstitutional of him to do so.

So Trump has started blarting on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346900434540240897

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346845109736845318
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Posted: 6 January 2021 8:21 PM
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So tonight's viewing choice, Kirsty and Phil or Civil War 2?
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Posted: 6 January 2021 8:36 PM
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Civil war 2 it is then...

The Guardian: Trump supporters storm Capitol as former DC police chief denounces 'coup attempt' – live.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/06/georgia-election-latest-news-senate-ossoff-warnock-democrats-republicans-trump-biden
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-06 8:21 PM

So tonight's viewing choice, Kirsty and Phil or Civil War 2?

It's already kicked off. Armed gangs of RW terrorists are storming the Capitol building in real time, shots fired and tear gas in use. Nancy Pelosi has called in the National Guard.
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Posted: 6 January 2021 9:08 PM
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The Independent: Iran issues Interpol arrest warrant for Trump over Soleimani killing as tension rise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-arrest-warrant-interpol-b1782723.html

Haha.. I'd like to see that followed through.
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jumpstart - 2021-01-06 9:08 PM

The Independent: Iran issues Interpol arrest warrant for Trump over Soleimani killing as tension rise.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-arrest-warrant-interpol-b1782723.html

Haha.. I'd like to see that followed through.

That yellow streak of a manchild will be hiding in one of his golf course bunkers now the sh1t has hit the fan.
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THIS is how a President speaks and behaves; https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1346926053462319114
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Posted: 7 January 2021 6:34 AM
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If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 6:34 AM

If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???


You've got to be kidding..you were Trump supporter number 1
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Posted: 7 January 2021 9:49 AM
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I was given a copy of Barak Obama's Memoirs for Christmas and it's ascinating reading. I became a fan of Michael Conoly's novels about US crime and justice a few years ago and what surprised (and shocked) me was how brutal and unjust their system was - and Obama's story gives the same impression about their political system too. Politicians are all (in our own perspective) self-serving and bent and in order to get new policies through deals have to be done all the time with opposing legislators (by giving them what they want out of it) to make any progress. I have little doubt that our political system is riven by dodgy, self-serving deal-making too but hopefully it's not as bad as in the US yet.

And yesterday's performance in the US Senate, when hard core Trump supporting Senators and Congressmen/women were trying to block the counting of Elecoral College votes for the Prrsidential Election, despite lack of evidence of any significant election fraud and all the legal challenges (over 60 of them) having been thrown out, simply confirms my impression that American Democracy is flawed and vulnerable. The sitting President of the USA (the sitting President!) got a mob together and wound them up to storm the Capital to try to get his selfish way.

Winston Churchill famously said that the biggest argument against democracy was a five minute conversation with the average voter and unfortunately the fact that 74 million Americans voted for Donald Trump illustrates the same weakness and vulnerability. People can be gullible and a charismatic sociopath ho has the gift of the gab and a ruthless intent can gather support and succeed in getting democratic control - which he then tries to hang on to at re-election time by fair means or foul. As of course Hitler did in Germany.

Fortunately Vice President Pence has stood up for democracy and refused to try to hijack and override the counting process in the Senate, as Trump was clearly pressing him to do so, whether or not the move would have been legal. Apparently Pence also took some initiative to get the National Guard to turn out to help deal with the invasion of the Capitol because Trump was refusing. Lots of other hithehrto Trump-loyalist Republicans have balked at this move too and stood up for democracy too. In the end only six Republican Senators eventually were still objecting, to try to stave off Biden becoming President.

Only two weeks to go so what else does Trump have up his sleeve? Is it safe to leave him in post - not least because he is still Commander in Chief and he still has his finger on the nuclear button? There is a mechanism to remove him from office at a stroke; the Vice President has to gather the Cabinet and they must then vote to dipose Trump on the grounds that he is unfit to continue - in his case because he is dangerously deranged. That would anger the Trump supporters but it would also take the Football out of Trump's hands and stop him from pulling any more tricks before January 20th.

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Home Secretary Priti Patel stops short of condemn…: https://youtu.be/JZvjo8TagZg

Watch her wriggle, but won't condemn Trump.
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Trumpbrain - 2021-01-07 6:34 AM
If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???

The man was, and is, a megalomaniac. Some could see it, some not. You were, and are, fervently among the latter. You worshiped him, with your over 160, largely pointless, sycophantic, "POTUS Trump" posts. Your false God. Own it! Says all, doesn't it?
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Posted: 7 January 2021 10:48 AM
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Surely Trumps actions yesterday inciting a mob which resulted in the deaths (so far) of four people is a criminal offence isnt it? At the very least they need to remove him from office today before he does any more damage.

It does look indeed like American democracy only just managed to dodge a bullet with the downfall of Trump. I have no doubt now that had he had a second term he would have found a way to become the wests Putin, or probably much worse.

As for that video of Patel. She is clearly of the same ilk. The Americans managed to do away with Trump and Populism, lets hope its not too long before we can do the same.

Edited by Barryd999 2021-01-07 10:49 AM
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Do you remember two years ago, when Jeremy Corbyn was absolutely MONSTERED in the UK media, for refusing to attend the Conservative’s white tie State Banquet at Buckingham Palace “to honour Donald Trump”?

2019’s State Visit - considered a great honour, and previously extended to only two other US presidents - was promised by Theresa May in 2016 and approved by the Queen. It went ahead after Trump banned all citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries from entering the United States. (yes the British state honoured him even after he did that)

Corbyn argued it would be wrong to "roll out the red carpet" for the US president, who used "racist and misogynist rhetoric".

He said the US-UK relationship did not need "the pomp and ceremony" of June's state visit. Former Speaker of the House, John Bercow, and the SNP’s Angus Robertson joined Corbyn in boycotting the event - along with 80 other MPs, none of whom were from the Conservative party. Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan of Sussex also boycotted the event.

In a statement at the time, Jeremy Corbyn said: "Theresa May should not be rolling out the red carpet for a state visit to honour a president who rips up vital international treaties, backs climate change denial and uses racist and misogynist rhetoric. Maintaining an important relationship with the United States does not require the pomp and ceremony of a state visit. It is disappointing that the prime minister has again opted to kowtow to this US administration.”

Sky News host, Adam Boulton, claimed the actions of the Labour Party were “disrespectful” to Trump and “to the Queen”, and framed it as though Corbyn hated the United States (rather than disapproved of Donald Trump).

LBC host Iain Dale inferred that Corbyn was a hypocrite for his refusal to attend the banquet, and said “This tells us a lot” about him.

The Daily Mail brought up every political meeting Corbyn had ever had in his career - peace talks with Gerry Adams and Hamas etc - and also accused him of hypocrisy. Corbyn explained that he was happy to have a political meeting with Trump, but felt extending him the honour of a state visit sent out the wrong message to all the people Trump has discriminated against.

Corbyn faced a huge backlash from Tory MPs who said not attending the ceremony to honour Donald Trump “pathetic gesture” made him “unfit to be Prime Minister”. Even Keir Starmer’s shadow foreign secretary, Lisa Nandy, attacked Corbyn for not attending the state dinner, saying in December 2019 that she would have attended, ha she been Labour leader. ?? You couldn’t write it!

Instead Corbyn attended the enormous protest held to oppose the honoring of Donald Trump by British elites, and stood in solidarity with London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, who had repeatedly been attacked on social media by Trump over his Muslim heritage. The Queen did not invite Sadiq Khan to the state banquet.

Now it’s clear to everyone that Trump is a fascist, looks like Jeremy was right yet AGAIN! Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have such a principled and thoughtful prime minister? I guess with the British electorate, we will never know.

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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 11:15 AM Do you remember two years ago, when Jeremy Corbyn was absolutely MONSTERED in the UK media, for refusing to attend the Conservative’s white tie State Banquet at Buckingham Palace “to honour Donald Trump”? ........


I'm afraid that modern politics, and even the role of Consitutional Monarch, requires quite a bit of supping with the devil and using the longest available spoon, but Corbyn had the luxury of being in opposition rather than in office and could therefore sidestep and critcise Trump openly. He had little prospect of ever being in office of course so maybe his only obligation was to think how it would look to his contituency. And it wasn't quite as obvious then just how bad and dangerous Trump would eventually appear to be, even if no one in their right minds would have welcomed him into their home as a guest if they'd had the choice,our Queen had no choice at the time; it was a necessary part of her job.

Even now, when we can all see just how bad and dangerous Trump has probably been all along, our in-office politicians have to take care with what they actually say. Our politicians will perhaps be more open and outspoken once the bastard is out of office. Only a fortnight to go!
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StuartO - 2021-01-07 11:46 AM

CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 11:15 AM Do you remember two years ago, when Jeremy Corbyn was absolutely MONSTERED in the UK media, for refusing to attend the Conservative’s white tie State Banquet at Buckingham Palace “to honour Donald Trump”? ........


I'm afraid that modern politics, and even the role of Consitutional Monarch, requires quite a bit of supping with the devil and using the longest available spoon, but Corbyn had the luxury of being in opposition rather than in office and could therefore sidestep and critcise Trump openly. He had little prospect of ever being in office of course so maybe his only obligation was to think how it would look to his contituency. And it wasn't quite as obvious then just how bad and dangerous Trump would eventually appear to be, even if no one in their right minds would have welcomed him into their home as a guest if they'd had the choice,our Queen had no choice at the time; it was a necessary part of her job.

Even now, when we can all see just how bad and dangerous Trump has probably been all along, our in-office politicians have to take care with what they actually say. Our politicians will perhaps be more open and outspoken once the bastard is out of office. Only a fortnight to go!


Well some of us on here managed very early on before he was elected to see just how dangerous he would be so you would think our elected leaders would have been able to figure that one out also. Perhaps not.

This bloke had him sussed though eh? Well for a bit at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EAc0QFubs

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Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 10:48 AM

a) Surely Trumps actions yesterday inciting a mob which resulted in the deaths (so far) of four people is a criminal offence isnt it? At the very least they need to remove him from office today before he does any more damage.

b) As for that video of Patel. She is clearly of the same ilk. The Americans managed to do away with Trump and Populism, lets hope its not too long before we can do the same.


a) Reading some of stuff that the likes Rudy Giuliani ( & Trump Jr?) and then Trump himself were spouting at that rally, you would think that there would be some law(s) to hold them accountable?
However, like other such s*te stirrers, they tend go just far enough to incite others to do stuff, whilst stopping just short enough so as not to directly implicate themselves.. ("dog whistle politics" I think they call it?).

b) I did see other interviews in which Patel DID say that Trump's word did "directly" incite the violence. I have no idea of the timelines of the interviews, so I don't know if the Sky interview is her backtracking? or whether she increased her criticism in later interviews?

As bad as last night's events were, when you consider just how "militia" ("tooled-up" with assault rifles etc) some of Trump's supporters have been at some previous rallies/demos, it could have got a hell of a lot worse...!?

Lets just hope that one positive that comes out of this, is that in future folk won't let themselves get so easily fooled by a vile, spoilt, self serving bully boy. (...although they do say, "birds of a feather, flock together.." ?)

:-S

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pepe63 - 2021-01-07 12:31 PM

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As bad as last night's events were, when you consider just how "militia" ("tooled-up" with assault rifles etc) some of Trump's supporters have been at some previous rallies/demos, it could have got a hell of a lot worse...!?



The reason it " didn't get worse " is because there was no-one there to fight with.

I would assume there will now be an inquiry into why the Capitol building was unprotected - and who decided NOT to take any action.

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What amazes me is that the Federal Police were so unprepared for the riots. Just about everybody knew something was going to happen a day before.
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malc d - 2021-01-07 12:43 PM

pepe63 - 2021-01-07 12:31 PM

As bad as last night's events were, when you consider just how "militia" ("tooled-up" with assault rifles etc) some of Trump's supporters have been at some previous rallies/demos, it could have got a hell of a lot worse...!?



The reason it " didn't get worse " is because there was no-one there to fight with.

I would assume there will now be an inquiry into why the Capitol building was unprotected - and who decided NOT to take any action.



That's very true Malc...
and as tragic as the lives lost were, maybe over all, it was for the best that it was left so unprotected?
(maybe they thought "give them enough rope and they will hang themselves "? )

edit- You do all realise that we're in for a right(wing) ticking off later!

"...somethingsomething...HYPOCRITES!...somethingsomething ..HATERS!..somethingsomething...WETS..somethingsomething... THE SQUAD...somethingsomething..SWEETCHEEKS..."

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One thing is certain, if the protesters were black the body count would have been much higher.
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Some excellent reporting from Robert Moore

Scroll down for the video.

https://www.businessinsider.com/british-correspondent-robert-moore-captures-chaos-of-capitol-building-protest-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
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Brian Kirby - 2021-01-07 10:27 AM

Trumpbrain - 2021-01-07 6:34 AM
If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???

The man was, and is, a megalomaniac. Some could see it, some not. You were, and are, fervently among the latter. You worshiped him, with your over 160, largely pointless, sycophantic, "POTUS Trump" posts. Your false God. Own it! Says all, doesn't it?


Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 1:13 PM

One thing is certain, if the protesters were black the body count would have been much higher.


You mean they would have all been stabbing each other or sumat ???
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edit- You do all realise that we're in for a right(wing) ticking off later!

"...somethingsomething...HYPOCRITES!...somethingsomething ..HATERS!..somethingsomething...WETS..somethingsomething... THE SQUAD...somethingsomething..SWEETCHEEKS..."



Maybe.

But not from anyone who matters.

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:56 PM

CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-07 1:13 PM

One thing is certain, if the protesters were black the body count would have been much higher.


You mean they would have all been stabbing each other or sumat ???


And the forums Proud Boy speaks out. Or is it Priti Boy?
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Brian Kirby - 2021-01-07 10:27 AM. The man was, and is, a megalomaniac.


Analysing (or if you like diagnosing) someone like Trump presents quite a challenge, probably even to a specialist psychologist or psychiatrist. I’ve heard the terms sociopath, narcissist and bully applied, which all seem to fit but he also begs the question of whether he is bad or mad or both. He has certainly shown himself recently to be an extreme example of whatever he is. Perhaps the key is to try to work out if he really does believe that the election was stolen and it truly was a landslide in his favour - i.e. he is genuinely deluded, or he keeps claiming this because it fits the self image he persistingly projects because it works for him as a way of living - or rather of getting other people to feel afraid or him and submit.



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Barryd999 - 2021-01-07 10:48 AM

Surely Trumps actions yesterday inciting a mob which resulted in the deaths (so far) of four people is a criminal offence isnt it? At the very least they need to remove him from office today before he does any more damage.

There's the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment to physically remove him from office, something which should have been done a long time ago imo.

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His house of cards is crumbling around him as several aides have had enough of his behaviour and quit.

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Twitter and Facebook have blocked his accounts

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This shows the marked difference in police response to the Capitol riots yesterday and the heavy guard during the BLM march.

https://tinyurl.com/y2b4zpv9
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One thing is certain, if the protesters were black the body count would have been much higher.


You mean they would have all been stabbing each other or sumat ???


And the forums Proud Boy speaks out. Or is it Priti Boy?


You have called me much worse Farty ... "Priti Boy" sounds good though ... I like it a lot and well done for eventually saying sumat funny
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Surely Trumps actions yesterday inciting a mob which resulted in the deaths (so far) of four people is a criminal offence isnt it? At the very least they need to remove him from office today before he does any more damage.

There's the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment to physically remove him from office, something which should have been done a long time ago imo.

https://tinyurl.com/y6g4bvn9

https://tinyurl.com/y6mfnw6s

His house of cards is crumbling around him as several aides have had enough of his behaviour and quit.

https://tinyurl.com/y3nwmpxr

Twitter and Facebook have blocked his accounts

https://tinyurl.com/y22brfay

This shows the marked difference in police response to the Capitol riots yesterday and the heavy guard during the BLM march.

https://tinyurl.com/y2b4zpv9


Powerful stuff that last link. What a contrast and as for the cops taking selfies with the protestors I hope they get sacked. Perhaps the new President and vice president will start to make a big difference but its clear a lot needs to change in America.
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If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???

The man was, and is, a megalomaniac. Some could see it, some not. You were, and are, fervently among the latter. You worshiped him, with your over 160, largely pointless, sycophantic, "POTUS Trump" posts. Your false God. Own it! Says all, doesn't it?


Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???


You left out my ability to be able to tell when a woman is screaming on the inside also.
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edit- You do all realise that we're in for a right(wing) ticking off later!

"...somethingsomething...HYPOCRITES!...somethingsomething ..HATERS!..somethingsomething...WETS..somethingsomething... THE SQUAD...somethingsomething..SWEETCHEEKS..."



Maybe.

But not from anyone who matters.



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If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???

The man was, and is, a megalomaniac. Some could see it, some not. You were, and are, fervently among the latter. You worshiped him, with your over 160, largely pointless, sycophantic, "POTUS Trump" posts. Your false God. Own it! Says all, doesn't it?


Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???


You left out my ability to be able to tell when a woman is screaming on the inside also.


Given thats prolly happened nearly every time you start to talking to a woman you should be an expert at that ... Not every woman will tell you to "f..k off you bore" to your face I suppose ... Hate on
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Surely Trumps actions yesterday inciting a mob which resulted in the deaths (so far) of four people is a criminal offence isnt it? At the very least they need to remove him from office today before he does any more damage.

There's the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment to physically remove him from office, something which should have been done a long time ago imo.

https://tinyurl.com/y6g4bvn9

https://tinyurl.com/y6mfnw6s

His house of cards is crumbling around him as several aides have had enough of his behaviour and quit.

https://tinyurl.com/y3nwmpxr

Twitter and Facebook have blocked his accounts

https://tinyurl.com/y22brfay

This shows the marked difference in police response to the Capitol riots yesterday and the heavy guard during the BLM march.

https://tinyurl.com/y2b4zpv9


Powerful stuff that last link. What a contrast and as for the cops taking selfies with the protestors I hope they get sacked. Perhaps the new President and vice president will start to make a big difference but its clear a lot needs to change in America.

The scenes inside the Capitol building were disgraceful......a handful of security guards waving batons around as the mob just stampeded their way past them. Lots more scenes like that were getting uploaded to sm last night but many have been taken down now. From comments I heard on the news bulletins late last night and this morning, rather than a left vs right it's more a case of Rep against Rep as it's totally split the party. A bit like Farage attracting the rabid right from the Tory party but sadly that lot have now filtered back in to pollute the Tory party.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle
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Posted: 7 January 2021 5:26 PM
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Facebook block Trump 'indefinitely'.

"We believe the risks of allowing the President to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great," CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote. "Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete."

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Articles of Impeachment now been drawn up. About time but they will need to move a lot faster.

https://tinyurl.com/y52opp5e
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 5:04 PM

Brian Kirby - 2021-01-07 4:08 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you! :-D

Edited by Brian Kirby 2021-01-07 6:16 PM
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If you stayed silent through the BLM/Antifa looting, robbing, raping and killing then you really cant be too high and mighty over the disgraceful scenes yesterday ??? ... I though can condemn 100% that sickening cr@p from yesterday ... Let the hatey hypocrisy begin, who's first ???

The man was, and is, a megalomaniac. Some could see it, some not. You were, and are, fervently among the latter. You worshiped him, with your over 160, largely pointless, sycophantic, "POTUS Trump" posts. Your false God. Own it! Says all, doesn't it?


Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???


You left out my ability to be able to tell when a woman is screaming on the inside also.


Given thats prolly happened nearly every time you start to talking to a woman you should be an expert at that ... Not every woman will tell you to "f..k off you bore" to your face I suppose ... Hate on


Nah!! They only scream on the outside!
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!

A good analysis....he certainly ticks all the boxes.
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ITV report from last night shows a belligerent Trump spouting lies and claiming the election was "stolen".

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1346952339886923786

Having seen the shooting of the protester (no i'm not linking it), the mob who were attempting to break into the Capitol chamber, heavily armed police were among them and doing absolutely nothing to bring them to order, infact it seemed as though they were with them.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!


Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness
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Pelosi calling for the 25th Amendment to be invoked on Trump for his “seditious act.”

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1347258734968524802

Despite Trump having his Twitter, FB and Instagram accounts blocked, his cultists are communicating via Parler, a right wing sm platform. This is whats being posted;



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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!


Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness


Here you go, a qualified psychologist who happens to be his niece

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!


Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness


Here you go, a qualified psychologist who happens to be his niece

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

That's an absolute gem.......and she certainly knows him well!
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-07 1:55 PM.........................
Amazing ... Not only does Chatterbox have experts on all things covid and its treatments, experts on cannabis based medicines and what they are good and not good at treating and experts like Barry who can tell who's a woman hater and wife beater just by "looking at them" we now have an expert at diagnosing mental health issues on his patients without once ever meeting them ... Wow ...By the way princess what do you want me to own when you rather threateningly tell me to "Own it!" ???

Your false God. The rest is your usual guff!


Forum psychiatrist speaks ... Chuckle

Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!


Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness


Here you go, a qualified psychologist who happens to be his niece

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/mary-trump-on-the-end-of-uncle-donald-all-he-has-now-is-breaking-things?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other



Isnt she the niece who fell out with him ... Can one of our health experts confirm if Jeremy has dementia or not ??? He seems to be forgetting stuff very easy these days ... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

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An extremist ... https://twitter.com/B_Rich33NO/status/1347338691132403717 ... Where as George floyd a career criminal and pregnant woman beater is a hero ... Chuckle, what a "funny" world
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Only one person is responsible for her death . Trump

And what about the police officer who was killed in the attack on the Capital. You know the violent attack she was participating in.

Meanwhile the crowd partied https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1347250902785093639?s=20

Edited by CurtainRaiser 2021-01-08 11:15 AM
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It seems pretty obvious that Trump made a critical error in encouraging his supporters gathered in Washington to storm the Capitol (in order to disrupt the count of votes to finalise the Presidential Election) but American politics has been so brutally partisan for so long, each side thinking of the other only as evil crooks capable of anything, that in the wake of Trump's fatal error, it's just the Democrats who are calling noisily for blood while the Republicans are in disarray.

A few, a small few, Republicans carried on loyally supporting Trump by objecting in the Senate to the Electoral College vote count but deserters are also spilling out of office from the White House in disgust at Trump's actions. Trump's son claimed that the republican Party is now simply the Donad Trump Party and that almost seems to be the case. Otherwise there is as yet no concerted Republcan response seeking to distance themselves from Trump and join the demands for him to leave immediately, as you would think might now be in their interests if they want their Party to survive.

There is a video clip circlating which shows Trump and his closest watching TV screens and dancing and celebrating as the invasion of the Capitol is developing. Sorry I lack the skills to link to it but it looked pretty damning to me.
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Only one person is responsible for her death . Trump

And what about the police officer who was killed in the attack on the Capital. You know the violent attack she was participating in.

Meanwhile the crowd partied https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1347250902785093639?s=20


I agree, Trump (and his lickspittles) incited the mob.
As tragic as that womans death was, she wasn't struck by some stray bullet whilst she was out on the lawn protesting peacefully was she?..No, she was deep inside the Capitol building, as she was a part of the mob who had stormed it!...

I haven't heard much about how the police officer had died?

If that footage of Trump and his followers laughing it up in his hospitality marque IS actually as the storming of the Capitol building is taking place(and not them just looking at the rally that led up to it) then it is even more sickening..

Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..

(To Stuart- CurtainRaiser has linked that video above)
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Pence has not got the balls to invoke the 25th amendment always been a yes man to Trump.
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.

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Oh the irony...

Metro.co.uk: US rioters face 10 years in prison due to Trump’s law targeting BLM protesters.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/08/us-capitol-rioters-face-10-years-in-prison-due-to-donald-trumps-law-13869643/
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What an idiot...

Metro.co.uk: Trump rioter sacked after storming US Capitol wearing his work badge.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/08/capitol-riots-trump-rioter-sacked-after-seen-wearing-his-work-badge-13870022/
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Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!

Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness

But then I'm, not, nor pretending to be. I just found a magazine article that explains the characteristics. I did wonder if it was a bit complicated, but if you persevere you should get there.

Me? I just use the duck test. You know, if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Of course, I accept in full that were I really a psycho-analyst of some sort, your response would be that all psycho-analysis is quackery - see what I did there; quack, quack! Amazing thing the human brain, in the right (metaphorical) hands, isn't it?
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-08 11:06 AM

Only one person is responsible for her death . Trump

And what about the police officer who was killed in the attack on the Capital. You know the violent attack she was participating in.

Meanwhile the crowd partied https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1347250902785093639?s=20


I agree, Trump (and his lickspittles) incited the mob.
As tragic as that womans death was, she wasn't struck by some stray bullet whilst she was out on the lawn protesting peacefully was she?..No, she was deep inside the Capitol building, as she was a part of the mob who had stormed it!...

I haven't heard much about how the police officer had died?

He was attacked by one of Trumps thugs who hit him over the head with a fire extinguisher, rushed to hospital where he was put on life support but died later.

https://tinyurl.com/yytkjczy

If that footage of Trump and his followers laughing it up in his hospitality marque IS actually as the storming of the Capitol building is taking place(and not them just looking at the rally that led up to it) then it is even more sickening..

Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..

It is, it was mentioned on news reports late last night. It shows how sick and twisted these people are just as all his fawning unhinged mental retards are too.
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.


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Pence has not got the balls to invoke the 25th amendment always been a yes man to Trump.

Few ever have stood up to him and those that have he gets rid of. Other gutless wonders walk away rather than confront him. He's a spoilt brat, bully and thug used to getting all his own way hence the childish temper tantrums when he doesn't.
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.




They'll probably storm the White House.
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.



I doubt anyone will take him seriously either Malc as it's come far too late in the day for damage limitation.. He incited the rioting and has done irreparable damage to the country and office of Presidency. He's just wriggling and squirming now he realises he's up a corner.
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It ain’t over until the fat lady sings and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump carries on kicking unless and until he either ends up in jail or pops his clogs. His latest video is no more than a tactical retreat because he is confronted by a serious obstacle but the last thing he can be called is a quitter so stand by for more fireworks and more legal challenges and Ed apology.
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Then, chuckle, see here https://tinyurl.com/y4hqprje and then tell me where I'm wrong. Go on, I dare you!

Chuckle, I cant read it ... A qualified psychiatrist would most prolly be struck off for making a public diagnosis of anyones mental health without meeting them, you as an amateur enthusiast with I presume no qualifications in this field feel the need to carry on with your silliness ... Own ya silliness

But then I'm, not, nor pretending to be. I just found a magazine article that explains the characteristics. I did wonder if it was a bit complicated, but if you persevere you should get there.

Me? I just use the duck test. You know, if it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Of course, I accept in full that were I really a psycho-analyst of some sort, your response would be that all psycho-analysis is quackery - see what I did there; quack, quack! Amazing thing the human brain, in the right (metaphorical) hands, isn't it?


You aint "pretending to be" some sort of head shrinker ??? ... Chuckle ... You just diagnose mental health issues on individuals you aint ever met on a public chat room thats all and then you start banging on about ducks ... I might use ya duck test ... You're Quackers ... Ducks ducks everywhere, its all in ya head
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One thing that surprised me is that no one ever mentions the archaic (I would say medieval) electoral system in force in the States.

- To vote you must register. Here, until a few years ago, voting was compulsory.
Now it is optional but you can just show up at your polling station with the voting card (given to each citizen) and an identity document.
Without any other formality. I guess it is so everywhere or almost.
- Two full months between elections and settlement.
First the elections, then the electors by state, then the college of electors, then the whole Congress (Representatives plus Senators), then the pledge, finally the move to the White House.
With the risk that a president who no longer has the trust of the population could commit abuses.
I think it's a unique case.
- Electors x Census. Done on a ten-year basis it certainly creates inconvenience.
Who guarantees that the population of any state has not changed significantly in the last ten years ?

It all made sense in the days of the Far West, Wells Fargo coaches and the first railroads.
Not in the 21st century when it only takes a few hours fly from San Diego to Vermont. And in the age of computers and the internet.

Not to mention consolidated lobbying. Here it is considered a concept very close to that of corruption.
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Pot, kettle, can I say black??? ... https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/trump-is-a-narcissistic-reckless-demagogue-says-ex-speaker-bercow/ ... Gotta laugh at bully boy Bercow
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.



I doubt anyone will take him seriously either Malc as it's come far too late in the day for damage limitation.. He incited the rioting and has done irreparable damage to the country and office of Presidency. He's just wriggling and squirming now he realises he's up a corner.


Typical Trump. Probably trying to save his own arse after inciting what can only be described now as a terrorist incident. The world will be a better and safer place without him and with any luck Biden will see to it that all those involved do a very long stretch including Trump.

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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.
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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.


"pardons Trump for all his crimes" ... What would those be ???
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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.


"pardons Trump for all his crimes" ... What would those be ???


Well let's start with rape and sexual assault. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html

And then move onto sedition. https://news.sky.com/story/us-capitol-nancy-pelosi-calls-for-donald-trumps-immediate-removal-after-seditious-act-12181923

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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.


"pardons Trump for all his crimes" ... What would those be ???


Well let's start with rape and sexual assault. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html

And then move onto sedition. https://news.sky.com/story/us-capitol-nancy-pelosi-calls-for-donald-trumps-immediate-removal-after-seditious-act-12181923


Chuckle ... Hes been found guilty of all those things ???
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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.


"pardons Trump for all his crimes" ... What would those be ???


Well let's start with rape and sexual assault. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html

And then move onto sedition. https://news.sky.com/story/us-capitol-nancy-pelosi-calls-for-donald-trumps-immediate-removal-after-seditious-act-12181923


Chuckle ... Hes been found guilty of all those things ???


No, because whilst in office he could not be charged. Although it is somewhat ironic that in his fight to stay in office he has provided a heap of additional evidence and encouraged the element of the GOP that doesn't want the party to be taken over by fascists to finally prosecute him.
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So all Trump has to do is resign, hand over to Vice Pence who as President pardons Trump for all his crime's.


"pardons Trump for all his crimes" ... What would those be ???


Well let's start with rape and sexual assault. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html

And then move onto sedition. https://news.sky.com/story/us-capitol-nancy-pelosi-calls-for-donald-trumps-immediate-removal-after-seditious-act-12181923


Chuckle ... Hes been found guilty of all those things ???


No, because whilst in office he could not be charged. Although it is somewhat ironic that in his fight to stay in office he has provided a heap of additional evidence and encouraged the element of the GOP that doesn't want the party to be taken over by fascists to finally prosecute him.


The "No" was suffice ... The rest is just .... Guff
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.



I doubt anyone will take him seriously either Malc as it's come far too late in the day for damage limitation.. He incited the rioting and has done irreparable damage to the country and office of Presidency. He's just wriggling and squirming now he realises he's up a corner.


Typical Trump. Probably trying to save his own arse after inciting what can only be described now as a terrorist incident. The world will be a better and safer place without him and with any luck Biden will see to it that all those involved do a very long stretch including Trump.


I thought you "didn't give a toss about America" ???
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One thing that surprised me is that no one ever mentions the archaic (I would say medieval) electoral system in force in the States.

I find the length of time a President-elect has to go before taking office even more obscure. Here in UK once a new PM has been voted in, the sitting PM is unceremoniously turfed out the following day! A pity the US doesn't adopt the same method as Trump would have been slung out of the WH over two months ago and of course none of this nonsense would have happened as he wouldn't have time.
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The "No" was suffice ... The rest is just .... Guff


You think so? Watch this space.

Mind you have a track record on this don't you. Seems it wasn't only Boris saying Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize, good judge of character obviously

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Kim-Jong-Un/48895/

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Got-My-Ticket/52181/
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Also I thought he, being the big man that he is, was spouting about how he was going to march with them?..... not hid in a tent and watch on TV?..



Well, being a 'draft dodger ' he was hardly likely to lead from the front.




Well it now seems he has done a complete u-turn and is condenming the mob for attacking the Capitol building.

Seems he wants 'em all locked up.

I wonder how his followers will react to him turning against them.



I doubt anyone will take him seriously either Malc as it's come far too late in the day for damage limitation.. He incited the rioting and has done irreparable damage to the country and office of Presidency. He's just wriggling and squirming now he realises he's up a corner.


Typical Trump. Probably trying to save his own arse after inciting what can only be described now as a terrorist incident. The world will be a better and safer place without him and with any luck Biden will see to it that all those involved do a very long stretch including Trump.

His plea is shallow meaningless empty words. Lets not forget he referred to the rioters as "special people" and "patriots" telling them "we love you". What is it with grown adult men and women prostrating themselves before him in servile worship, blowing kisses and fawning all over him like a child with a teacher crush? They are as mentally retarded as he is.

Unfortunately he's likely to be dead before he sees a jail cell but certainly there are a lot lawsuits waiting to start the minute his office is officially terminated and thats what he's been in mortal fear of.
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Trump has announced that he will not be attending the Inauguration on January 20th. It is now also known that he intends to leave the White House the day before. Presumably he will therefore fly to Florida (or elsewhere, perhaps out of US jurisdiction) in Air Force One while can still call the shots, aiming to show his continuing contempt and perhaps also to help encourage his followers to demonstrate their objections and contempt too.

It’s possible of course that Trump’s period of office could end prematurely.

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The "No" was suffice ... The rest is just .... Guff


You think so? Watch this space.

Mind you have a track record on this don't you. Seems it wasn't only Boris saying Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize, good judge of character obviously

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Kim-Jong-Un/48895/

https://forums.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/General-Chat/Chatterbox/Got-My-Ticket/52181/


Its still a NO princess ... Wrap it up in as many silly links or words that you want its still a NO ... More hate not hope
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Trump has announced that he will not be attending the Inauguration on January 20th. It is now also known that he intends to leave the White House the day before. Presumably he will therefore fly to Florida (or elsewhere, perhaps out of US jurisdiction) in Air Force One while can still call the shots, aiming to show his continuing contempt and perhaps also to help encourage his followers to demonstrate their objections and contempt too.

It’s possible of course that Trump’s period of office could end prematurely.

It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. This article is an interesting read and also the clip. I dread to think of Trumps legacy as I fear there is much more yet to come, as if what's already happened isn't bad enough.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-richard-nixon-spent-day-white-house/story?id=47914193
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What worries me is that Trump’s actions and populist rhetoric have made it unlikely that this bloodletting is over. I don’t envy Mike Pence, he’s in a bit of a fix deciding what is the least worst option.
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What worries me is that Trump’s actions and populist rhetoric have made it unlikely that this bloodletting is over. I don’t envy Mike Pence, he’s in a bit of a fix deciding what is the least worst option.


I'm sure he will pray...thats what he normally does when he doesn't know what to do.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.

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What worries me is that Trump’s actions and populist rhetoric have made it unlikely that this bloodletting is over. I don’t envy Mike Pence, he’s in a bit of a fix deciding what is the least worst option.

Pence is weak and meek minded so Trump quickly threw him under the bus on the 6th at 7.24pm tweeting,

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"

Pence could have invoked the 25th Amendment but was too scared despite other Reps pushing him to do so and to accuse him of not protecting a Constitution he (Trump) swore under oath to protect, but had no intention of protecting himself shows the manchilds hypocrisy and utter contempt.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.



Its not the American people that need protecting....its us...the rest of the world.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.

It's imperative they keep him well away from anything with a button......I wouldn't trust him with a bag of chocolate buttons. They need to stop pussy footing about, invoke the 25th, then have him sectioned and carted off to the nearest secure mental hospital. The world will be a much safer place without him.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.



Its not the American people that need protecting....its us...the rest of the world.

He's the primer though....the firing pin. Remove that and everything else is safe.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.



Its not the American people that need protecting....its us...the rest of the world.

He's the primer though....the firing pin. Remove that and everything else is safe.


I don’t trust any of them, they all seem to have a peculiar idea of what a Patriot is and a weird idea of the importance of god.
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-08 5:29 PM It's worth looking back at how Nixon spent his last few hours in the White House after his criminality had been exposed via Watergate. ...


It's been reported today that in the run up to Nixon's resignation the Defence Secretary issued an order within the pentagon that if Nixon initiated any military action they were to check with him before implimenting it. I don't suppose there was any legal basis for this decision to insert a safety check. A President continues to be Commander in Chief while he still holds presidential office.

Nancy Pelosi said, after speaking with the Chief of the Defence Staff:

"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi wrote. "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy."

She hasn't said that her request for a safety check was accepted.



Its not the American people that need protecting....its us...the rest of the world.

He's the primer though....the firing pin. Remove that and everything else is safe.


I don’t trust any of them, they all seem to have a peculiar idea of what a Patriot is and a weird idea of the importance of god.

They've always been flag waving nationalists who like chanting silly slogans.....it's an American thing.

By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality. George Orwell.
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The experts on all things American speak ... Chuckle
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A quote used from a speech about a Democrat President ... Chuckle
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Col.Lee (later Confederate Gereral) when asked to take command of the US Federal Army to put down the rebellion of the states when it started , declined stating as a patriot his allegiance was to his country which was Virginia not to the Federal Government.
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Did it lead to five people dead?

https://youtu.be/PfiS8MsfSF4

Warning includes shooting at 35mins

They looked, and sounded like escapees from the local asylum. People break into a government building and run riot, then someone gets shot. What did they expect.....a guided tour with afternoon tea?

(Ignore the link Braindead posted....it's over two years old and totally irrelevant to the thread. He's just trying very hard to take the heat off his love flame Trump). *-)

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Here are some of Trumps past tweets
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/trump-twitter-ban-social-media-reaction
Who else do we know who calls people "haters and losers" but can't explain what it is they hate or have lost
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Did it lead to five people dead?

https://youtu.be/PfiS8MsfSF4

Warning includes shooting at 35mins


So you condemning riots and those trying to enter Americas most sacred places depends on the number of folk who die ... Nice
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


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How do the haters work out this was inciting anything other than what it says ... https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1347672225017692163 ... Strange lot
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Did you fall in love with Kim too?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/sep/30/he-wrote-me-beautiful-letters-and-we-fell-in-love-donald-trump-on-kim-jong-un-video
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/


Chuckle ... Its a real shame you dont dedicate so much time to posting on here about anti-Semitism in your Labour Party as you do with some hooligan ... You sure is a strange one aint ya
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/


Chuckle ... Its a real shame you dont dedicate so much time to posting on here about anti-Semitism in your Labour Party as you do with some hooligan ... You sure is a strange one aint ya


Haha ...not that old one still.....blimey......more fake news.
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While President-Elect Biden is keeping out of any attempts to unseat Trump before January 20th he's not holding back on criticism, calling him the worst-ever President and expressing pleasure that he won't be at the Inauguration. Nancy Pelosi is clearly on the warpath however and since the Democrats will only need support for less than half of Republican Senators to find Trump guilty, it now seems quite possible that Trump will get pushed unless he decides to jump by resigning. Trump probably does still have options to rock the boat again but there seems to be no purpose of value to him in doing so (especially if he does want to run again in four years) so it might be the time for him to bide his time and then maybe raise the rabble again with some juicy social media posts for his supporters about election fraud from Florida on Inauguration Day, assuming of course he can find a way around the blocking of his Tweet Account. Perhaps he'll settle for trashing the furniture and fittings in the White House to make it difficult for Biden to move in.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-08 9:17 PM

Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered.




I've not seen that bit of film before.

Looks to me as if the police are absolutely terrified.

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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/


Chuckle ... Its a real shame you dont dedicate so much time to posting on here about anti-Semitism in your Labour Party as you do with some hooligan ... You sure is a strange one aint ya


Haha ...not that old one still.....blimey......more fake news.


I dont think a fella like yaself is best placed to talk about anti-Semitsm given your hate inciting "all Israelis are fair game" boast
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/


Chuckle ... Its a real shame you dont dedicate so much time to posting on here about anti-Semitism in your Labour Party as you do with some hooligan ... You sure is a strange one aint ya


Haha ...not that old one still.....blimey......more fake news.


I dont think a fella like yaself is best placed to talk about anti-Semitsm given your hate inciting "all Israelis are fair game" boast


Exactly ....you don’t think.....we’ve already established that.
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I'm surprised that given Birdbrains rightly denouncing any antisemitism that he's failed to mention the Proud Boys stance on the matter


Im surprised you fall for edited photos


Getting desperate now aren't you - there's someone else who always cries out fake news.

But just in case you have any doubt

https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/proud-boys-leader-makes-his-white-supremacism-and-anti-semitism-explicit/


Chuckle ... Its a real shame you dont dedicate so much time to posting on here about anti-Semitism in your Labour Party as you do with some hooligan ... You sure is a strange one aint ya


Haha ...not that old one still.....blimey......more fake news.


I dont think a fella like yaself is best placed to talk about anti-Semitsm given your hate inciting "all Israelis are fair game" boast


Exactly ....you don’t think.....we’ve already established that.


If thinking produces the hate inciting garbage you post I am pretty glad I "dont think" ... Try again
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway

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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway


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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway


Absolutely I am! He is mistaken as you are. For the other members Mr Birdbrain yesterday accused me of supporting a youth last year setting fire to the union flag but after many attempts of asking him to produce the evidence he could not. There was another incident around the same time last year where a child (who just happened to be Asian looking of course) climbed onto the cenotaph between the flags which was actually the incident I said was no big deal.

As you have now brought this accusation to yet another forum I sugest as I did there you produce the evidence here also. Perhaps you could get a grown up member of the forum to help you. If you fail I expect a public apology on both forums.

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While President-Elect Biden is keeping out of any attempts to unseat Trump before January 20th he's not holding back on criticism, calling him the worst-ever President and expressing pleasure that he won't be at the Inauguration. Nancy Pelosi is clearly on the warpath however and since the Democrats will only need support for less than half of Republican Senators to find Trump guilty, it now seems quite possible that Trump will get pushed unless he decides to jump by resigning. Trump probably does still have options to rock the boat again but there seems to be no purpose of value to him in doing so (especially if he does want to run again in four years) so it might be the time for him to bide his time and then maybe raise the rabble again with some juicy social media posts for his supporters about election fraud from Florida on Inauguration Day, assuming of course he can find a way around the blocking of his Tweet Account. Perhaps he'll settle for trashing the furniture and fittings in the White House to make it difficult for Biden to move in.

Twitter briefly lifted the suspension last night as there were new posts on his account but typically he couldn't moderate his inflammatory rhetoric, false allegations about voter fraud and the election being "stolen", so they just shut him down altogether ‘due to the risk of further incitement of violence’. He will no doubt attempt to make his own sm platform. For a 74 year old man his behaviour is more akin to a petulant little child.

https://tinyurl.com/y3c3d6m9

https://tinyurl.com/y5zztszg

I think they've left it too late in the day for impeachment or invoking the 25th given how notoriously slow the legal machinery works over there within politics. They should have removed him long ago and his actions have plunged democracy and the US to an all time low. Between now and Bidens inauguration the authorities and secret service will have to keep a very close eye on him though I imagine the inauguration will be heavily secured.




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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered.


I've not seen that bit of film before.

Looks to me as if the police are absolutely terrified.


Malc......that was people protesting Kavanaugh's appointment to the US Supreme Court. It was over two years ago and the only connection being that Trump appointed him. Well he would wouldn't he. Like Trump, Kavanaugh has a disgusting history of alleged sexual assaults including attempted rape.

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She's spot on as normal ... https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1347911670484652032


You dont half have some strange Twitter accounts that you follow? It seems that you are consumed with hatred of all things muslim and coloured.

Please show us on the doll where the big brown boys hurt you.

And then you better head off to Parler. Oh hang on you might be too late.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/technology/parler-apple-google.html






Edited by CurtainRaiser 2021-01-09 3:41 PM
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She's spot on as normal ... https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1347911670484652032


You dont half have some strange Twitter accounts that you follow? It seems that you are consumed with hatred of all things muslim and coloured.

Please show us on the doll where the big brown boys hurt you.

And then you better head off to Parler. Oh hang on you might be too late.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/technology/parler-apple-google.html






It seems you are "consumed" with what you think I hate ... Get another obsession
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway


Absolutely I am! He is mistaken as you are. For the other members Mr Birdbrain yesterday accused me of supporting a youth last year setting fire to the union flag but after many attempts of asking him to produce the evidence he could not. There was another incident around the same time last year where a child (who just happened to be Asian looking of course) climbed onto the cenotaph between the flags which was actually the incident I said was no big deal.

As you have now brought this accusation to yet another forum I sugest as I did there you produce the evidence here also. Perhaps you could get a grown up member of the forum to help you. If you fail I expect a public apology on both forums.


Chuckle ... Princess to make your point valid it might be better to try to stick to facts, its difficult for you I know but try ... I never said what your claiming it simply isnt true ... You say I said you were "condoning" the burning of the flag, you now say I said you were "supporting" the flag burner both of which simply aren't true, I said you excused the flag burner, totally different to your claims ... You said also the flag burner is a Muslim on the other channel in some silly attempt to play the silly race card I presume but I have no idea if hes a Muslim and would love to know how you know that ... Dont get all snotty about it, remember you find violence, thuggery and assaults on folk "funny" ... You have form and if anyone owes anyone an apology its you to the victims of crime you find "funny" ... By the way is it just those crimes that are funny or do you chuckle away at others ???
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway


Absolutely I am! He is mistaken as you are. For the other members Mr Birdbrain yesterday accused me of supporting a youth last year setting fire to the union flag but after many attempts of asking him to produce the evidence he could not. There was another incident around the same time last year where a child (who just happened to be Asian looking of course) climbed onto the cenotaph between the flags which was actually the incident I said was no big deal.

As you have now brought this accusation to yet another forum I sugest as I did there you produce the evidence here also. Perhaps you could get a grown up member of the forum to help you. If you fail I expect a public apology on both forums.


Chuckle ... Princess to make your point valid it might be better to try to stick to facts, its difficult for you I know but try ... I never said what your claiming it simply isnt true ... You say I said you were "condoning" the burning of the flag, you now say I said you were "supporting" the flag burner both of which simply aren't true, I said you excused the flag burner, totally different to your claims ... You said also the flag burner is a Muslim on the other channel in some silly attempt to play the silly race card I presume but I have no idea if hes a Muslim and would love to know how you know that ... Dont get all snotty about it, remember you find violence, thuggery and assaults on folk "funny" ... You have form and if anyone owes anyone an apology its you to the victims of crime you find "funny" ... By the way is it just those crimes that are funny or do you chuckle away at others ???


Condone, support, excused, whatever. It means the same thing. You tried on two forums to tell people that I "Excused" a protester burning our flag. I told you it was incorrect, you failed to prove it because you cant as it never happened so I suggested you either proved it or apologised for lying or perhaps getting confused. Either way, I dont care. Anyone who knows me on here or the other forum or in real life would know i would never condone such a thing.

I reckon you have gone off your meds or summat these past few days. Either that or watching your Populist revolution spectacularly starting to crash has been too much for you. Trump in disgrace and on his way out and hopefully to Jail, totally lame Brexit. Must be tough. Soon be spring!
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While President-Elect Biden is keeping out of any attempts to unseat Trump before January 20th he's not holding back on criticism, calling him the worst-ever President and expressing pleasure that he won't be at the Inauguration. Nancy Pelosi is clearly on the warpath however and since the Democrats will only need support for less than half of Republican Senators to find Trump guilty, it now seems quite possible that Trump will get pushed unless he decides to jump by resigning. Trump probably does still have options to rock the boat again but there seems to be no purpose of value to him in doing so (especially if he does want to run again in four years) so it might be the time for him to bide his time and then maybe raise the rabble again with some juicy social media posts for his supporters about election fraud from Florida on Inauguration Day, assuming of course he can find a way around the blocking of his Tweet Account. Perhaps he'll settle for trashing the furniture and fittings in the White House to make it difficult for Biden to move in.

Twitter briefly lifted the suspension last night as there were new posts on his account but typically he couldn't moderate his inflammatory rhetoric, false allegations about voter fraud and the election being "stolen", so they just shut him down altogether ‘due to the risk of further incitement of violence’. He will no doubt attempt to make his own sm platform. For a 74 year old man his behaviour is more akin to a petulant little child.

https://tinyurl.com/y3c3d6m9

https://tinyurl.com/y5zztszg

I think they've left it too late in the day for impeachment or invoking the 25th given how notoriously slow the legal machinery works over there within politics. They should have removed him long ago and his actions have plunged democracy and the US to an all time low. Between now and Bidens inauguration the authorities and secret service will have to keep a very close eye on him though I imagine the inauguration will be heavily secured.






Its sweet seeing him fall from grace so spectacularly and having his favourite rant platform removed. Also scary that a man not deemed fit to be allowed access to Twitter has control of the Nuclear button. It was alarming today on the news listening to a journalist from the USA who said there is pretty much nothing that can stop Trump launching an attack if he feels like it. Nothing at all. Thats what the system was designed for. Scary stuff. If it came to that though hopefully someone on the staff would be prepared to put a bullet in his skull.
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-09 5:15 PM

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StuartO - 2021-01-09 9:52 AM

While President-Elect Biden is keeping out of any attempts to unseat Trump before January 20th he's not holding back on criticism, calling him the worst-ever President and expressing pleasure that he won't be at the Inauguration. Nancy Pelosi is clearly on the warpath however and since the Democrats will only need support for less than half of Republican Senators to find Trump guilty, it now seems quite possible that Trump will get pushed unless he decides to jump by resigning. Trump probably does still have options to rock the boat again but there seems to be no purpose of value to him in doing so (especially if he does want to run again in four years) so it might be the time for him to bide his time and then maybe raise the rabble again with some juicy social media posts for his supporters about election fraud from Florida on Inauguration Day, assuming of course he can find a way around the blocking of his Tweet Account. Perhaps he'll settle for trashing the furniture and fittings in the White House to make it difficult for Biden to move in.

Twitter briefly lifted the suspension last night as there were new posts on his account but typically he couldn't moderate his inflammatory rhetoric, false allegations about voter fraud and the election being "stolen", so they just shut him down altogether ‘due to the risk of further incitement of violence’. He will no doubt attempt to make his own sm platform. For a 74 year old man his behaviour is more akin to a petulant little child.

https://tinyurl.com/y3c3d6m9

https://tinyurl.com/y5zztszg

I think they've left it too late in the day for impeachment or invoking the 25th given how notoriously slow the legal machinery works over there within politics. They should have removed him long ago and his actions have plunged democracy and the US to an all time low. Between now and Bidens inauguration the authorities and secret service will have to keep a very close eye on him though I imagine the inauguration will be heavily secured.


Its sweet seeing him fall from grace so spectacularly and having his favourite rant platform removed. Also scary that a man not deemed fit to be allowed access to Twitter has control of the Nuclear button. It was alarming today on the news listening to a journalist from the USA who said there is pretty much nothing that can stop Trump launching an attack if he feels like it. Nothing at all. Thats what the system was designed for. Scary stuff. If it came to that though hopefully someone on the staff would be prepared to put a bullet in his skull.

This string here shows there was plenty of warnings of what could occur at the Capitol.....note the date stamps.

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1341016471795843080

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1340323730883538946
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Trump junior crying about his Daddy being kicked off Twitter.........until this brilliant Tweet slapped him back in his box!

https://twitter.com/LesleyAnnBrandt/status/1347701196216098819
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Rioters banging at the doors of The Supreme Court trying to get in ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg ... Hang on, they aint Trump supporters but those lefty Democrat types ... Chuckle ... Did POTUS Trump insight them n'all ??? ... Chuckle


Rioters! Yeah they look really scary! Couple of coppers stood there in front of them not looking bothered. The "Rioters" laughing and smiling and taking pictures. Looks like a remainers sunday afternoon outing in Hyde Park. Glad you posted it though. Now go and compare it to the footage and photos of the armed Terrorists that stormed the Capitol building two days ago.


Given you excuse Cenotaph Union Flag burners and find BLM violence and thuggery "funny" me thinks we can disregard your opinion on supposed "Terrorists" ... If I remember correctly you also found the assault on Mr Farage funny n'all ... Says a lot about the twisted fella you have turned into


So even still despite me asking you yesterday several times to produce evidence on another forum you are going to carry on spreading fake news about me condoning the burning of a UK Flag which is simply not true. Someone chucked milkshake at Farage, it was indeed very very funny but not terrorism unlike your loopy far right mates in Washington the other day.


Your saying also the other valuable member on another forum who remembered you doing what I claim is a peddler of "fake news" n'all then ??? Another member who posted the picture of the Cenotaph flag burner is a peddler of "fake news" n'all also ??? ... Listen you find violence and assault "funny" so dont go all high and mighty condemning others ... I thought you didn't "give a toss about America" anyway


Absolutely I am! He is mistaken as you are. For the other members Mr Birdbrain yesterday accused me of supporting a youth last year setting fire to the union flag but after many attempts of asking him to produce the evidence he could not. There was another incident around the same time last year where a child (who just happened to be Asian looking of course) climbed onto the cenotaph between the flags which was actually the incident I said was no big deal.

As you have now brought this accusation to yet another forum I sugest as I did there you produce the evidence here also. Perhaps you could get a grown up member of the forum to help you. If you fail I expect a public apology on both forums.


Chuckle ... Princess to make your point valid it might be better to try to stick to facts, its difficult for you I know but try ... I never said what your claiming it simply isnt true ... You say I said you were "condoning" the burning of the flag, you now say I said you were "supporting" the flag burner both of which simply aren't true, I said you excused the flag burner, totally different to your claims ... You said also the flag burner is a Muslim on the other channel in some silly attempt to play the silly race card I presume but I have no idea if hes a Muslim and would love to know how you know that ... Dont get all snotty about it, remember you find violence, thuggery and assaults on folk "funny" ... You have form and if anyone owes anyone an apology its you to the victims of crime you find "funny" ... By the way is it just those crimes that are funny or do you chuckle away at others ???


Condone, support, excused, whatever. It means the same thing. You tried on two forums to tell people that I "Excused" a protester burning our flag. I told you it was incorrect, you failed to prove it because you cant as it never happened so I suggested you either proved it or apologised for lying or perhaps getting confused. Either way, I dont care. Anyone who knows me on here or the other forum or in real life would know i would never condone such a thing.

I reckon you have gone off your meds or summat these past few days. Either that or watching your Populist revolution spectacularly starting to crash has been too much for you. Trump in disgrace and on his way out and hopefully to Jail, totally lame Brexit. Must be tough. Soon be spring!


I know you have supposedly been off the booze that plays such a big part in your daily life these last few days ... I'll put your stupidity down to the shakes
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Trump junior crying about his Daddy being kicked off Twitter.........until this brilliant Tweet slapped him back in his box!

https://twitter.com/LesleyAnnBrandt/status/1347701196216098819






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Trump junior crying about his Daddy being kicked off Twitter.........until this brilliant Tweet slapped him back in his box!

https://twitter.com/LesleyAnnBrandt/status/1347701196216098819




Rumour has it thats what you did to worm ya way back on here after you were thrown off ... Hope ya brushed ya teeth
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Trump junior crying about his Daddy being kicked off Twitter.........until this brilliant Tweet slapped him back in his box!

https://twitter.com/LesleyAnnBrandt/status/1347701196216098819


LOL! Brilliant!

There are a lot of comparisons when you think about it between Trump and "The Clown"

Trump and Johnson

The same press and shady backers
The same lunatic fringe
Both surrounded by their arse licker supporters in power
Both liars
Both over promise but under deliver
Same morals
Both relied on indulgent fathers
Both control freak narcissists.
Both racist
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001
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HuffPost: Rifle-Toting Militia Men Rail At Mitch McConnell In Kentucky, Hail D.C. Rioters.
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.

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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy.
Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.

There are lessons to be learned from this for those in this country who've been supporting populism here and in Europe.......this is the insanity it leads to.

There are many seriously deranged and unhinged people in the US and reports coming out are increasingly disturbing. This letter was written by the chairman of NYE County Central Committee for Republicans two days after the Capitol building insurrection by Trumps public incitement (my highlighting).....from accusing Pence of treason to claiming Trump 'protected' his MAGA people from Antifa, just about every batsh1t crazy CT/QAnon is mentioned, but remember, these nutjobs actually believe all this crap;

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

One of Trumps thugs, Roger Stone, posted the comment below. Stone is a Republican extremist and criminal who served time but had his sentence commuted by Trump. Birds of a feather.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election



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Even Amazon drivers getting death threats FGS.

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Posted: 10 January 2021 3:55 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy.
Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.

There are lessons to be learned from this for those in this country who've been supporting populism here and in Europe.......this is the insanity it leads to.

There are many seriously deranged and unhinged people in the US and reports coming out are increasingly disturbing. This letter was written by the chairman of NYE County Central Committee for Republicans two days after the Capitol building insurrection by Trumps public incitement (my highlighting).....from accusing Pence of treason to claiming Trump 'protected' his MAGA people from Antifa, just about every batsh1t crazy CT/QAnon is mentioned, but remember, these nutjobs actually believe all this crap;

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

One of Trumps thugs, Roger Stone, posted the comment below. Stone is a Republican extremist and criminal who served time but had his sentence commuted by Trump. Birds of a feather.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election


Heres Maxine ... Unlike Roger who isnt a serving politician Maxine is ... Maxine is a Democrat ... Here she is inciting folk to not be too nice to Republicans ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw ... Maxine is a nice lady
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Posted: 10 January 2021 4:32 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy.
Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.

There are lessons to be learned from this for those in this country who've been supporting populism here and in Europe.......this is the insanity it leads to.

There are many seriously deranged and unhinged people in the US and reports coming out are increasingly disturbing. This letter was written by the chairman of NYE County Central Committee for Republicans two days after the Capitol building insurrection by Trumps public incitement (my highlighting).....from accusing Pence of treason to claiming Trump 'protected' his MAGA people from Antifa, just about every batsh1t crazy CT/QAnon is mentioned, but remember, these nutjobs actually believe all this crap;

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

One of Trumps thugs, Roger Stone, posted the comment below. Stone is a Republican extremist and criminal who served time but had his sentence commuted by Trump. Birds of a feather.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election


Heres Maxine ... Unlike Roger who isnt a serving politician Maxine is ... Maxine is a Democrat ... Here she is inciting folk to not be too nice to Republicans ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw ... Maxine is a nice lady

Nice try but there's no incitement there.

We all know your love flame for Trump still burns bright. You support a crook whose trashed his own countries constitution he swore on oath to preserve, protect and defend, yet chose to incite insurrection directly resulting in the deaths of five people.
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Posted: 10 January 2021 4:42 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.
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Posted: 10 January 2021 4:46 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy.
Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.

There are lessons to be learned from this for those in this country who've been supporting populism here and in Europe.......this is the insanity it leads to.

There are many seriously deranged and unhinged people in the US and reports coming out are increasingly disturbing. This letter was written by the chairman of NYE County Central Committee for Republicans two days after the Capitol building insurrection by Trumps public incitement (my highlighting).....from accusing Pence of treason to claiming Trump 'protected' his MAGA people from Antifa, just about every batsh1t crazy CT/QAnon is mentioned, but remember, these nutjobs actually believe all this crap;

https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

One of Trumps thugs, Roger Stone, posted the comment below. Stone is a Republican extremist and criminal who served time but had his sentence commuted by Trump. Birds of a feather.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election


Heres Maxine ... Unlike Roger who isnt a serving politician Maxine is ... Maxine is a Democrat ... Here she is inciting folk to not be too nice to Republicans ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCDe7vdFfw ... Maxine is a nice lady

Nice try but there's no incitement there.

We all know your love flame for Trump still burns bright. You support a crook whose trashed his own countries constitution he swore on oath to preserve, protect and defend, yet chose to incite insurrection directly resulting in the deaths of five people.


What a surprise ... You defend
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Posted: 10 January 2021 4:53 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite
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Posted: 10 January 2021 5:22 PM
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The Guardian: Insurrection Day: when white supremacist terror came to the US Capitol.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/09/us-capitol-insurrection-white-supremacist-terror

Chuckle...
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Posted: 10 January 2021 5:26 PM
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And....

The Guardian: Condemnation – and support: Trump's midwest base split by Capitol attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/trump-midwest-base-split-capitol-attack-condemnation-support

Chuckle...
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Posted: 10 January 2021 5:43 PM
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite


Well we know it wasnt a democratic referendum. It was proved in court but thats not the debate here.

"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. As for the coup well I guess it depends on whether that long statement from the the NYE County Chairman is true or not. Sounds like a Coup to me.

Depths of depression? Im ferkin loving this! Its fantastic watching his downfall. Cant wait for Johnsons next. Off the booze? WTF you on about? Everything in moderation. I had a lovely glass of Scotch last night.
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-10 5:43 PM............................................"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. ......................................

What Antony means is "did he use those actual words?" To him, unless he did, nothing of the sort was said.

It doesn't matter that it was clearly implied, it doesn't matter that he spent the preceding hour or so winding them up, it doesn't matter that he said he'd walk with them, it doesn't matter that he instead departed for the White House, it doesn't matter that he merely lit the fuse and departed before the explosion, oh no: he has to have used those actual words. Nothing else counts.

Old Trumpy may be a bit slow on some things, but he's fully up to speed on incitement, on how to press the right buttons, and then fading away quickly, and finally blaming his followers for doing what he incited them to do. "Who Sir, Me Sir, I didn't do anything!" Make it up, you really couldn't!

And yet, some seem believe it all, even from 3,000 miles away!

Recklessness, total innocence, stupidity, cupidity, or incitement? It has to be one (or all) of those, doesn't it? From the man with control over what is probably the world's largest nuclear arsenal? A fitting person?

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Brian Kirby - 2021-01-10 6:27 PM.
What Antony means is "did he use those actual words?" To him, unless he did, nothing of the sort was said.

It doesn't matter that it was clearly implied, it doesn't matter that he spent the preceding hour or so winding them up, it doesn't matter that he said he'd walk with them, it doesn't matter that he instead departed for the White House, it doesn't matter that he merely lit the fuse and departed before the explosion, oh no: he has to have used those actual words. Nothing else counts.

Old Trumpy may be a bit slow on some things, but he's fully up to speed on incitement, on how to press the right buttons, and then fading away quickly, and finally blaming his followers for doing what he incited them to do. "Who Sir, Me Sir, I didn't do anything!" Make it up, you really couldn't!

And yet, some seem believe it all, even from 3,000 miles away!

Recklessness, total innocence, stupidity, cupidity, or incitement? It has to be one (or all) of those, doesn't it? From the man with control over what is probably the world's largest nuclear arsenal? A fitting person?


Implication counts for purposes of defamation, so why shouldn’t it carry weight as evidence in a criminal case?
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite


Well we know it wasnt a democratic referendum. It was proved in court but thats not the debate here.

"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. As for the coup well I guess it depends on whether that long statement from the the NYE County Chairman is true or not. Sounds like a Coup to me.

Depths of depression? Im ferkin loving this! Its fantastic watching his downfall. Cant wait for Johnsons next. Off the booze? WTF you on about? Everything in moderation. I had a lovely glass of Scotch last night.


So show what he said hater ... Looks like others are trying to help you but yet you dont show what he said ??? ... See you are ignoring your hypocrisy over your "I dont give a toss about America" boast n'all ... So your not off the booze ??? How long did your latest 'off the booze' stint last ??? 36-48 hours max maybe ??? Booze on hypocrite
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-10 7:35 PM

So show what he said hater ...

People have posted numerous reports, news bulletins and clips on this thread but you neither read or listen to any of them as you're in denial of what your Messiah has done. You also do yourself no favours making posts of garbled gobbledygook.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-10 7:35 PM

So show what he said hater ...

People have posted numerous reports, news bulletins and clips on this thread but you neither read or listen to any of them as you're in denial of what your Messiah has done. You also do yourself no favours making posts of garbled gobbledygook.


Barrys Grindr talks ... Not much sense though ... He offers nothing of what I asked ... Chuckle
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Wherever anything batsh1t crazy is going down you can be sure the parasitic leech Jones is somewhere in the mix. Pumping out far right CT rubbish to the gullible has made him a multi millionaire and all those wacko wingnuts, including some here, see Trump as their Messiah.


Alex Jones says he paid $500,000 for rally that led to Capitol riot

Infamous conspiracy theorist Alex Jones said his media company paid for the rally in Washington DC on 6 January that preceded the ill-fated insurrection at the US Capitol.

Mr Jones explained his involvement in a video he posted from Washington DC on the day of the riots.

"When I tell you this, it's not to brag about my connection to this embattled president," he said. "No one would book the Ellipse, no one would book the other areas. No one would pay for it. We went and paid for it."

Mr Jones said that 80 per cent of the money used in the bookings was provided by a donor.

"It cost close to half a million dollars," he said.

He then claims the White House asked him to lead the march to the Capitol. In his words, the Secret Service was supposed to pull him out of the front row of Donald Trump's speech about a half hour before it ended and move him to the march starting point.

However, due to the large numbers of people who were still arriving even as Mr Trump spoke, Mr Jones ended up stuck between the group of people watching the president's speech and a second group that was already marching on the Capitol building.

He then claimed - erroneously - that an army of “antifa” was there, and blamed the rioting at the Capitol on them.

“And so, by the time I got out there 20 minutes, 30 minutes before Trump finished his speech there were already hundreds of thousands of people ahead of me marching. And before Trump ever took the stage, antifa, dressed up - over a hundred of them - as patriots, was there,” he said.

Mr Jones was reportedly seen later in the day, standing on top of a car near the Capitol building and shouting into a bullhorn.

The conspiracy theorist has also publicly peddled QAnon conspiracies. Ashili Babbit, the woman who was shot and killed while breaking into the Capitol, was a QAnon adherent.

"We will never back down to the Satanic paedophile, globalist New World Order and their walking-dead reanimated corpse Joe Biden, and we will never recognize him," Mr Jones said during the Million MAGA March.

The belief in a global cabal of demonic pedophiles that only Mr Trump is working to stop is a central tenant of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/alex-jones-paid-rally-capitol-riot-b1784603.html
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite


Well we know it wasnt a democratic referendum. It was proved in court but thats not the debate here.

"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. As for the coup well I guess it depends on whether that long statement from the the NYE County Chairman is true or not. Sounds like a Coup to me.

Depths of depression? Im ferkin loving this! Its fantastic watching his downfall. Cant wait for Johnsons next. Off the booze? WTF you on about? Everything in moderation. I had a lovely glass of Scotch last night.


So show what he said hater ... Looks like others are trying to help you but yet you dont show what he said ??? ... See you are ignoring your hypocrisy over your "I dont give a toss about America" boast n'all ... So your not off the booze ??? How long did your latest 'off the booze' stint last ??? 36-48 hours max maybe ??? Booze on hypocrite


Here you go Chuckles, some of the finest legal minds have worked over the weekend to satisfy your needs

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/08/us/draft-articles-of-impeachment.html
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1347665098253463552?s=19




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The 65 days that led to chaos at the Capitol

Well worth reading through this timeline including the embedded links and clips.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55592332
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A pretty powerful speech from someone I least expected.

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240
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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite


Well we know it wasnt a democratic referendum. It was proved in court but thats not the debate here.

"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. As for the coup well I guess it depends on whether that long statement from the the NYE County Chairman is true or not. Sounds like a Coup to me.

Depths of depression? Im ferkin loving this! Its fantastic watching his downfall. Cant wait for Johnsons next. Off the booze? WTF you on about? Everything in moderation. I had a lovely glass of Scotch last night.


So show what he said hater ... Looks like others are trying to help you but yet you dont show what he said ??? ... See you are ignoring your hypocrisy over your "I dont give a toss about America" boast n'all ... So your not off the booze ??? How long did your latest 'off the booze' stint last ??? 36-48 hours max maybe ??? Booze on hypocrite


You would have to have been in a cave for the past few days not to have seen it. Go find it yourself.

I told you, I am enjoying watching his spectacular downfall. Thanks for your concern over my drinking habits by the way. I assume this is in regard to some thread on another forum where I said I was going on a diet. I am on a diet and doing well thanks. If you are really interested and concerned I get weighed on Wednesday so will keep you posted. I never said I was quitting drinking though, just cutting down which is what I have done. Thanks again.
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Jesus.


Trump more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks

As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday, Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared “low-class”.

Trump had called on the audience, which had gathered in DC from across America, to march to the Capitol building as Congress convened to certify the results of his electoral defeat to President-elect Joe Biden.

What followed was a violent and historic scene: QAnon conspiracy theorists dressed in furs, domestic terrorists waving confederate flags, and hundreds of men and women in Trump campaign gear ransacking lawmakers’ offices. Some took the Senate dais and echoed the president’s false claims of voter fraud.

Trump was apparently turned off by the chaotic scene, although not due to the assault on the US government but according to New York Magazine, because his supporters looked “low-class”.

“He doesn’t like low class things,” an anonymous White House source told the magazine.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-mob-capitol-riots-poor-low-class-b1785099.html

That explains why he identifies with them!

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One of Trumps Capitol domestic terrorists just found out at an airport he's on a "no fly" list so goes off in a hissy crying!

Awww......poor baby.

https://twitter.com/Tucker5law/status/1348394043382910981
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Ha ha ha!!! it just gets better and better!

Did they arrest the Terrorist at the airport? Hope so.

As for Trump and the low class thing! Thats even funnier. Has he not seen his supporters over the past five years? Does Trump actually think he has class? If it wasnt for him being gifted Daddy's money he would have been the lowest of the low trailer trash without doubt. Perhaps he thinks money buys you class. Which from what I can gather he hasnt much of that now either. in Fact doesnt he have a 100 million in personal debt or something ridiculous?
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Ha ha ha!!! it just gets better and better!

Did they arrest the Terrorist at the airport? Hope so.

As for Trump and the low class thing! Thats even funnier. Has he not seen his supporters over the past five years? Does Trump actually think he has class? If it wasnt for him being gifted Daddy's money he would have been the lowest of the low trailer trash without doubt. Perhaps he thinks money buys you class. Which from what I can gather he hasnt much of that now either. in Fact doesnt he have a 100 million in personal debt or something ridiculous?

Oh there's more. Lots of MAGA 'men' whilst spouting about 'haters' and 'paedos' still live with their mum.

https://tinyurl.com/y4slyjha

https://tinyurl.com/y6cjqfac
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13 min report here from the BBC worth a look. Anyone that thinks Trump is not responsible for this is deluded. He organised it for a kick off and there is no doubt what was meant in his speech either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000rlwl/america-storming-the-capitol

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HuffPost: Former Federal Prosecutor Fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5ffa923fc5b63642b6fc839d?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001


Which is probably why the FBI have only charged them with minor misdemeanors so far, Trump can only pardon them for offences they have been charged and admitted to. Trump pardons them for the minor stuff, two weeks later they hit them with the full charges.


Its crucial they get him though, he has to go to Jail.

This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy. Trump needs to do time not only for this but for all the other heinous crimes of which there is a long list that once no longer under the presidential protection I hope at least one of them sticks. If not he or God for bid someone worse but not as stupid will be back to try again.


"This is a prime example of just how much Populists and the far right respect or care for Democracy" ... Posted by a fella who fought for years to overturn a democratic referendum vote that he didn't like the result of by any means ... You couldn't make it up, well Septic could


Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would post that.

Have you read some of the stuff in BG's links? Do you think there is remotely a comparison? Also some of these people making the threats of a coup and inciting terrorism are elected officials! Right up to Trump himself!! The fact that you think thats ok and is a comparison to millions of people in the UK peacefully "Campaigning" for a confirmatory vote on the final outcome of a process in the United kingdom is not only totally bonkers but says a lot about you.

It wasnt a democratic referendum of course anyway.

They kind of remind me of the pro Brexit mob that protested here. All of the same ilk just without the automatic weapons and bombs in the UK. Whenever there was violence or trouble and sadly even death it was at the hands of these Morons 99% of the time.


"It wasn't a democratic referendum" ... Chuckle ...Can you show where POTUS Trump has incited terrorism or threatened a coup like you claim because otherwise its just words, more pointless, bitter words by a fella who supposedly doesnt "give a toss about America"???... Im informed you have supposedly been off the booze for a few days, the scotch or whisky that you so love ... Can I suggest you start drinking again because if you werent in the depths of depression before you sure is now ... Hatey hypocrite


Well we know it wasnt a democratic referendum. It was proved in court but thats not the debate here.

"Can I show where Trump has incited Terrorism or threatened a coup"? Did you not listen to him on national Television inciting the terrorism that followed? Everyone else saw it, you must have missed it. As for the coup well I guess it depends on whether that long statement from the the NYE County Chairman is true or not. Sounds like a Coup to me.

Depths of depression? Im ferkin loving this! Its fantastic watching his downfall. Cant wait for Johnsons next. Off the booze? WTF you on about? Everything in moderation. I had a lovely glass of Scotch last night.


So show what he said hater ... Looks like others are trying to help you but yet you dont show what he said ??? ... See you are ignoring your hypocrisy over your "I dont give a toss about America" boast n'all ... So your not off the booze ??? How long did your latest 'off the booze' stint last ??? 36-48 hours max maybe ??? Booze on hypocrite


You would have to have been in a cave for the past few days not to have seen it. Go find it yourself.

I told you, I am enjoying watching his spectacular downfall. Thanks for your concern over my drinking habits by the way. I assume this is in regard to some thread on another forum where I said I was going on a diet. I am on a diet and doing well thanks. If you are really interested and concerned I get weighed on Wednesday so will keep you posted. I never said I was quitting drinking though, just cutting down which is what I have done. Thanks again.


I'll translate ... You cant put up a god damn thing can ya, utter hot air ... Yes you did say you were stopping drinking ... Many, many times actually ... Keep on not "giving a toss about America" while posting here, there and everywhere about it wont ya ... Pretty much like you not giving "a toss about Brexit" either which you do the same ... I sure would hate to see how much stuff you'd post on sumat ya do give a toss about ... Hypocrisy lives strong in this one
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HuffPost UK: PGA Strips Trump's Bedminster Golf Club Of 2022 Championship Event.
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Nancy Pelosi has given Mike Pence 24 hours to invoke the 25th Amendment against Trump or they will impeach.

I hope they invoke the 25th as that strips him of all monetary benefits including travel expenses ($1 million pa), Presidential pension ($220,000 pa), Secret Service protection and office staff. If impeached he would still be entitled to receive those benefits and I think it would be insulting to decent law abiding American citizens able to understand the treasonous action Trump committed.

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I would be very surprised if any of the moves to remove Trump "early "came to anything....

However I did read somewhere that proceeding with the impeachment process was as much about stopping him from holding office in the future, as it was about removing his now?
I don't pretend to know how much truth in that there is.
(and with his followers throwing money into his "fighting fund", I doubt he'd be too bothered about losing a pension and some travel allowance ).
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I would be very surprised if any of the moves to remove Trump "early "came to anything....

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Dead right.

There's been a lot of huffing and puffing from the democrats over the last few years.

Almost always ineffective.

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Financial Times: Angela Merkel attacks Twitter over Trump ban.
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I would be very surprised if any of the moves to remove Trump "early "came to anything....

However I did read somewhere that proceeding with the impeachment process was as much about stopping him from holding office in the future, as it was about removing his now?
I don't pretend to know how much truth in that there is.
(and with his followers throwing money into his "fighting fund", I doubt he'd be too bothered about losing a pension and some travel allowance ).

That's true and it covers any political office plus of course, he wouldn't be able to run in the 2024 election. The fund he set up is a scam and he siphons off a percentage for his own use. In short it's his personal slush fund his fanatics are daft enough to send money to.
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Oh dear....the far right extremists really are having a bad time. First their favoured sm platform Parler went offline after Google and Apple removed it's app, now some left wing IT experts have 'captured' (love that!) 70tb of data from Parler servers.

https://tinyurl.com/y3jce6r

https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348484125825658887
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Edited by Brian Kirby 2021-01-11 6:13 PM
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Oh dear....the far right extremists really are having a bad time. First their favoured sm platform Parler went offline after Google and Apple removed it's app, now some left wing IT experts have 'captured' (love that!) 70tb of data from Parler servers.

https://tinyurl.com/y3jce6r

https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348484125825658887


First one not working, second one. Oooof!!! That could be interesting.
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!


I read that earlier today...what a rambling speech. Can't believe how many times he said ..fight..
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!


Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!


Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???


Fight...fight... fight...fight....fight....fight...
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Oh dear....the far right extremists really are having a bad time. First their favoured sm platform Parler went offline after Google and Apple removed it's app, now some left wing IT experts have 'captured' (love that!) 70tb of data from Parler servers.

https://tinyurl.com/y3jce6r

https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348484125825658887


First one not working, second one. Oooof!!! That could be interesting.


Try this; https://tinyurl.com/y3jce6rj

Yeah Parler been hacked apparently so all those that been posting nasty stuff on there are in deep doo doo.
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Patriots and Proud Boys stand by - after reading the weather forecast your Dear Leader will declare Full Global Martial Law from Airforce One.

Never mind White House.....it's time men in white coats were sent out to collect Trump.

https://twitter.com/CopingMAGA/status/1348645847626608641
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!


Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???


Fight...fight... fight...fight....fight....fight...


Still nothing ???
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???

As I said, chuckle, not worth the effort, chuckle. You wanted the evidence, you now have it. Chuckle. Just do your own reading for once, chuckle. Too hard, chuckle? Tough!
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???

As I said, chuckle, not worth the effort, chuckle. You wanted the evidence, you now have it. Chuckle. Just do your own reading for once, chuckle. Too hard, chuckle? Tough!


Chuckle ... So you cant point to the bit where POTUS Trump incites whatever it is you haters claim ... Chuckle ... What a surprise
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???

As I said, chuckle, not worth the effort, chuckle. You wanted the evidence, you now have it. Chuckle. Just do your own reading for once, chuckle. Too hard, chuckle? Tough!

Chuckle ... So you cant point to the bit where POTUS Trump incites whatever it is you haters claim ... Chuckle ... What a surprise

He does this throughout the speech, not in one place. I've read it, and it rambles about everywhere. You seem to worship the bloke, so I assume you don't think he's a big enough fool to say to his followers, in public, on live TV, "hey guys, lets march off down the road a trash the Capitol". It's subtle, it builds on the "stop the steal" lie, it understands its audience and how to wind them up, following which he disappears to leave them to it, and then pop up after the event with faux indignation that anyone should have done any such thing. But if you won't see it, you won't, so I'll waste no more time on you.
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Trump refuses to take responsibility for Capitol riots saying, "many people have read my speech, it’s been analysed, and people thought that what I said was totally appropriate.”

Yeah you only incited insurrection directly resulting in the deaths of five people including a police officer who was beaten and kicked to death.

Still gaslighting too;

"The impeachment is a continuation of the greatest witch-hunt in the history of politics....it's ridiculous, it's absolutely ridiculous. This impeachment is causing tremendous anger and you're doing it...it's a really terrible thing they're doing. For Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to continue on this path, I think it's causing tremendous danger to our country and it's causing tremendous anger. I want no violence."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-capitol-riots-latest-today-b1786099.html
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Extremists move to secret online channels to plan for Inauguration Day in D.C.

Right-wing extremists are using channels on the encrypted communication app Telegram to call for violence against government officials on Jan. 20, the day President-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated, with some extremists sharing knowledge of how to make, conceal and use homemade guns and bombs.

The messages are being posted in Telegram chatrooms where white supremacist content has been freely shared for months, but chatter on these channels has increased since extremists have been forced off other platforms in the wake of the Jan. 6 siege of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump rioters.

In the days since the Capitol attack, for example, a U.S. Army field manual and exhortations to "shoot politicians" and "encourage armed struggle" have been posted in a Telegram channel that uses "fascist" in its name.

Chris Sampson, chief of research at the defense research institute Terror Asymmetrics Project on Strategy, Tactics and Radical Ideologies, said his group is focused on and concerned about users of the channel and has alerted the FBI about it. (TAPSTRI is run by Malcolm Nance, an NBC News terrorism analyst.)

“When they start calling for assassinations, when they start calling for action versus sharing information, we flag them a little higher," said Sampson. "Some channels merely swap information, but then they accelerated into conversations of where to be.”

A post explaining how to radicalize Trump supporters to neo-Nazism has also circulated on the channel as well as other far right extremist channels.


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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???

As I said, chuckle, not worth the effort, chuckle. You wanted the evidence, you now have it. Chuckle. Just do your own reading for once, chuckle. Too hard, chuckle? Tough!

Chuckle ... So you cant point to the bit where POTUS Trump incites whatever it is you haters claim ... Chuckle ... What a surprise

He does this throughout the speech, not in one place. I've read it, and it rambles about everywhere. You seem to worship the bloke, so I assume you don't think he's a big enough fool to say to his followers, in public, on live TV, "hey guys, lets march off down the road a trash the Capitol". It's subtle, it builds on the "stop the steal" lie, it understands its audience and how to wind them up, following which he disappears to leave them to it, and then pop up after the event with faux indignation that anyone should have done any such thing. But if you won't see it, you won't, so I'll waste no more time on you.


Chuckle ... Honestly I dont understand what you are on about ... I am a simple country boy so would love an educated fella like yaself to point out the moments in the speech that incite violence ... Cant be difficult to show someone like me the light surely ??? ... Most `admit given your response you do look a little lost and the sisters dont seem to be helping out either ... Cant wait for your reply
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Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ0aGuiqllg&ab_channel=CNN
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You've had it...go figure...

Chuckle ... Another of the sisters ... Providing ... Nowt ... Chuckle

Here you go, a full transcript of the speech: https://tinyurl.com/y5l39qoc
Mind, it is rather long for your tastes, he was speaking for 75 minutes. First read it, then your opinions can be discussed as between reasonably rational beings. Otherwise, you're just uninformed bluff and bluster, as usual, and not worth the effort. Nearly forgot: chuckle!

Point to the bit where POTUS Trumps incites whatever it is you bitch sisters are claiming ???

As I said, chuckle, not worth the effort, chuckle. You wanted the evidence, you now have it. Chuckle. Just do your own reading for once, chuckle. Too hard, chuckle? Tough!

Chuckle ... So you cant point to the bit where POTUS Trump incites whatever it is you haters claim ... Chuckle ... What a surprise

He does this throughout the speech, not in one place. I've read it, and it rambles about everywhere. You seem to worship the bloke, so I assume you don't think he's a big enough fool to say to his followers, in public, on live TV, "hey guys, lets march off down the road a trash the Capitol". It's subtle, it builds on the "stop the steal" lie, it understands its audience and how to wind them up, following which he disappears to leave them to it, and then pop up after the event with faux indignation that anyone should have done any such thing. But if you won't see it, you won't, so I'll waste no more time on you.


Chuckle ... Honestly I dont understand what you are on about ... I am a simple country boy so would love an educated fella like yaself to point out the moments in the speech that incite violence ... Cant be difficult to show someone like me the light surely ??? ... Most `admit given your response you do look a little lost and the sisters dont seem to be helping out either ... Cant wait for your reply


If you want to see the light...first open your eyes.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TOJOoMuBW4l6VbMXlY_K0X4VbuIHlAzE/view?usp=drivesdk

Haha...never a truer word...just watch this video.
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Apparently circulating on Parler.



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Klepper at the Capitol last week;

“Is the sedition over here?”

“You can tell these people really care about America, by all the weapons they brought to hurt other Americans.”


He has a knack of showing the base stupidity of the not so bright.....and doesn't have to try hard either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDJqipoohc&ab_channel=TheDailyShowwithTrevorNoah
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Typical Trump fanboy.

https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1349106070753595393
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Mary Trump.

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Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle
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Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


You poor blind thing .
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Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


Well now the Republicans are joining in on the impeachment, it looks like you'll have all the proof that your lack of critical thinking currently prevents you seeing when you read his speech.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 6:10 AM

Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


I took Trump's words at the meeting near the White House immediately before the riotus invasion of the Capital to be an incitment to go down there and cause trouble, even if he avoided directly and specifically inciting violence he was certainly indicating that the whole crowd should go down there with him and cheer the Legislators who are supporting his efforts to overturn the election result and do the opposite to those who aren't - by implication he was at the very least was encouraging considerable trouble-making. He spoke for a hour or so, as the President of the United States, who had already taken a well established position of sustained attacks on the validity of the US Election, the result of which he was determined to overturn in his favour. Having wound them up and set them off he ducked back into the White House to watch it on TV, happy to see the way it developed and careless of the safety of his own Vice President as well as all the Legislators, making phone calls to encourage more individual Senators to formally object to the acceptance of the Electoral College count in order to turn over the Election result - and he is also said to have refused a request to authorise the turnout of the National Guard to reinforce the overwhelmed Capital Police, so the Vice President had to do it instead. (And Trump subsequently lied that he had done so.)

I'm afraid that it was a step far too far that morning, even in the eyes of many of his Republcan supporters in Congress. In one stroke Trump seems to have cooked his own goose good and proper and the dam of contempt for his behaviour as a serving President broke. If you can't see that, especially if you are seeing it differently because you are keeping your blinkers on as a continuing supporter of Trumpism at any price, then perhaps you are as bad as he is.

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Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


I took Trump's words at the meeting near the White House immediately before the riotus invasion of the Capital to be an incitment to go down there and cause trouble, even if he avoided directly and specifically inciting violence he was certainly indicating that the whole crowd should go down there with him and cheer the Legislators who are supporting his efforts to overturn the election result and do the opposite to those who aren't - by implication he was at the very least was encouraging considerable trouble-making. He spoke for a hour or so, as the President of the United States, who had already taken a well established position of sustained attacks on the validity of the US Election, the result of which he was determined to overturn in his favour. Having wound them up and set them off he ducked back into the White House to watch it on TV, happy to see the way it developed and careless of the safety of his own Vice President as well as all the Legislators, making phone calls to encourage more individual Senators to formally object to the acceptance of the Electoral College count in order to turn over the Election result - and he is also said to have refused a request to authorise the turnout of the National Guard to reinforce the overwhelmed Capital Police, so the Vice President had to do it instead. (And Trump subsequently lied that he had done so.)

I'm afraid that it was a step far too far that morning, even in the eyes of many of his Republcan supporters in Congress. In one stroke Trump seems to have cooked his own goose good and proper and the dam of contempt for his behaviour as a serving President broke. If you can't see that, especially if you are seeing it differently because you are keeping your blinkers on as a continuing supporter of Trumpism at any price, then perhaps you are as bad as he is.


Nice try Stuart ... Think you'll find I have said many times on here POTUS Trump is yesterdays man, if thats me and my continuing support of Trumpism at any price then you need help ... You have watched the speech, read the tweets but provide nothing in words from that speech to show anything at all that you could say incites violence ??? ... Not providing evidence of claims is a speciality of hypocrites on here, break the mold and show a simple country boy like me what everybody else can see ??? ... If I accused a person of making a speech inciting hatred I would certainly be willing to back that claim up with some of the words from that speech, do the decent thing and post up some of the best bits just for me ... Just to add many of those that are calling POTUS Trump now are the same ones who claimed he incited racism and Chinese hatred for saying "China Virus", they now stay quiet when Mrs Merkel says "British Virus" ??? ... Go figure

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 10:12 AM Nice try Stuart ... Think you'll find I have said many times on here POTUS Trump is yesterdays man, if thats me and my continuing support of Trumpism at any price then you need help ... You have watched the speech, read the tweets but provide nothing in words from that speech to show anything at all that you could say incites violence ??? ... Not providing evidence of claims is a speciality of hypocrites on here, break the mold and show a simple country boy like me what everybody else can see ??? ... If I accused a person of making a speech inciting hatred I would certainly be willing to back that claim up with some of the words from that speech, do the decent thing and post up some of the best bits just for me ... Just to add many of those that are calling POTUS Trump now are the same ones who claimed he incited racism and Chinese hatred for saying "China Virus", they now stay quiet when Mrs Merkel says "British Virus" ??? ... Go figure


You seem to be arguing, in a barrack room lawyerish sort of way, that Trump could try to argue his way out of responsibility for his actions, which of course he is likely to try to do. And given the polarised nature of US politics and the need for a 2/3 majority in the Senate to impose impeachment on him he might well even achieve.

But that isn't a good moral argument and you're not really an amoral barrack room lawyer, are you?

Please don't rely on me reading all the stuff that's posted on Chatterbox and remembering the positions you have adopted in thepast; I'm afraid it's all I can stomach to dip into threads and respond occasionally, when there seems to be an opportunity to make a worthwhile comment or suggestion. On this occasion I saw that you were taking a blinkered and unhelpful approach so I though I'd try to help.

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 10:12 AM Nice try Stuart ... Think you'll find I have said many times on here POTUS Trump is yesterdays man, if thats me and my continuing support of Trumpism at any price then you need help ... You have watched the speech, read the tweets but provide nothing in words from that speech to show anything at all that you could say incites violence ??? ... Not providing evidence of claims is a speciality of hypocrites on here, break the mold and show a simple country boy like me what everybody else can see ??? ... If I accused a person of making a speech inciting hatred I would certainly be willing to back that claim up with some of the words from that speech, do the decent thing and post up some of the best bits just for me ... Just to add many of those that are calling POTUS Trump now are the same ones who claimed he incited racism and Chinese hatred for saying "China Virus", they now stay quiet when Mrs Merkel says "British Virus" ??? ... Go figure


You seem to be arguing, in a barrack room lawyerish sort of way, that Trump could try to argue his way out of responsibility for his actions, which of course he is likely to try to do. And given the polarised nature of US politics and the need for a 2/3 majority in the Senate to impose impeachment on him he might well even achieve.

But that isn't a good moral argument and you're not really an amoral barrack room lawyer, are you?

Please don't rely on me reading all the stuff that's posted on Chatterbox and remembering the positions you have adopted in thepast; I'm afraid it's all I can stomach to dip into threads and respond occasionally, when there seems to be an opportunity to make a worthwhile comment or suggestion. On this occasion I saw that you were taking a blinkered and unhelpful approach so I though I'd try to help.


"You seem to be arguing" ... You seem to be wrong ... I simply ask for proof of what is being claimed ... Hated, liked, loathed or loved even POTUS Trump deserves the right to something better than a Chatterbox kangaroo court that offers up not one single bit of written evidence of what they claim ... Yet, once again I seem to be in the wrong ... Thankfully I might add
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"You seem to be arguing" ... You seem to be wrong ... I simply ask for proof of what is being claimed ... Hated, liked, loathed or loved even POTUS Trump deserves the right to something better than a Chatterbox kangaroo court that offers up not one single bit of written evidence of what they claim ... Yet, once again I seem to be in the wrong ... Thankfully I might add


If you were not arguing in support of Trump but merely exercising your legalistic muscles to no useful purpose other than arguing for arguing’s sake, was there any worthwhile purpose in posting?
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 11:04 AM

"You seem to be arguing" ... You seem to be wrong ... I simply ask for proof of what is being claimed ... Hated, liked, loathed or loved even POTUS Trump deserves the right to something better than a Chatterbox kangaroo court that offers up not one single bit of written evidence of what they claim ... Yet, once again I seem to be in the wrong ... Thankfully I might add


If you were not arguing in support of Trump but merely exercising your legalistic muscles to no useful purpose other than arguing for arguing’s sake, was there any worthwhile purpose in posting?


No your making things up or just pretending to be stupid ... I have told you I am not arguing and I aren't particularly trying to defend POTUS Trump either ... I am has been clearly explained looking for where exactly in POTUS Trumps speech he incited what followed after his speech, up to press not one single person here including you has shown anything to back up your claims, cant think why
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 1:08 PM..................... cant think why

And that, precisely, is the problem. You've invested so much personal kudos in your false God, you don't want to see.

You really need to sit down calmly, open your eyes, and read that transcript with an open mind - after you answer for yourself these questions.
How did all those people come to be in Washington at the same time? Divine intervention, or because someone got them there?
What was the issue that got them there?
Why did some brings weapons, including guns?
What was their expectation in travelling to Washington?
Look at the news interviews of the attendees. Were they in reflective mood, or angry and excited?
What were they angry about?

Then read the speech. It is a clear case of first assemble rent-a-mob on a false premise, then wind them up, then just fade away and leave them to it, and then feign innocence.

And you can't see it because Trump didn't actually say "now go down to the Capitol and trash it".

That is the thinnest and most transparently inadequate defence conceivable. The sort of defence a child might try when confronted with some misdemeanour that only they could possibly have committed. Only in this case it came from a President of the United States. Truly, there are none so blind as those who will not see!
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 1:08 PM..................... cant think why

And that, precisely, is the problem. You've invested so much personal kudos in your false God, you don't want to see.

You really need to sit down calmly, open your eyes, and read that transcript with an open mind - after you answer for yourself these questions.
How did all those people come to be in Washington at the same time? Divine intervention, or because someone got them there?
What was the issue that got them there?
Why did some brings weapons, including guns?
What was their expectation in travelling to Washington?
Look at the news interviews of the attendees. Were they in reflective mood, or angry and excited?
What were they angry about?

Then read the speech. It is a clear case of first assemble rent-a-mob on a false premise, then wind them up, then just fade away and leave them to it, and then feign innocence.

And you can't see it because Trump didn't actually say "now go down to the Capitol and trash it".

That is the thinnest and most transparently inadequate defence conceivable. The sort of defence a child might try when confronted with some misdemeanour that only they could possibly have committed. Only in this case it came from a President of the United States. Truly, there are none so blind as those who will not see!


Now I have done as you say and attempted to answer the questions you list ... Obviously I am a bit ditsy and blonde and cant for the life in me answer them or see the incitement ... We know your record on here regarding you being an expert on many topics including diagnosing certain mental health issues totally blind so could you put your expertise to good use on this matter and please, please, please post up where the incitement is in the speech ??? ... No need for insults and names either just what I ask for, surely you of all people on here can provide something, anything even if its just a teensy weensy bit of silliness ... Note I have said please
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 6:10 AM

Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


Did Trump say "Go forth and seize control of the Capitol Building and kill people"? No he did not. Did he incite the violence that followed and more importantly did he instruct his cronies to also do the same? Yes, absolutely he did.

I suspect you never watched any of BG's brilliant links but this one here which I have queued up for you just at the right place is all the evidence you will need. There is no doubt he is guilty as are his cronies of inciting what happened next. Your glorious leader is now a Terrorist leader.

https://youtu.be/YVDJqipoohc?t=212
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 1:08 PM..................... cant think why

And that, precisely, is the problem. You've invested so much personal kudos in your false God, you don't want to see.

You really need to sit down calmly, open your eyes, and read that transcript with an open mind - after you answer for yourself these questions.
How did all those people come to be in Washington at the same time? Divine intervention, or because someone got them there?
What was the issue that got them there?
Why did some brings weapons, including guns?
What was their expectation in travelling to Washington?
Look at the news interviews of the attendees. Were they in reflective mood, or angry and excited?
What were they angry about?

Then read the speech. It is a clear case of first assemble rent-a-mob on a false premise, then wind them up, then just fade away and leave them to it, and then feign innocence.

And you can't see it because Trump didn't actually say "now go down to the Capitol and trash it".

That is the thinnest and most transparently inadequate defence conceivable. The sort of defence a child might try when confronted with some misdemeanour that only they could possibly have committed. Only in this case it came from a President of the United States. Truly, there are none so blind as those who will not see!


Now I have done as you say and attempted to answer the questions you list ...

You haven't attempted to answer any at all.
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Still nothing ... Not a god damn thing to show where POTUS Trump incited violence ... Nothing from the sisters ... You would think they would gladly point out the hatey bits of his tweets or speech to shut me up ... Chuckle


Did Trump say "Go forth and seize control of the Capitol Building and kill people"? No he did not. Did he incite the violence that followed and more importantly did he instruct his cronies to also do the same? Yes, absolutely he did.

I suspect you never watched any of BG's brilliant links but this one here which I have queued up for you just at the right place is all the evidence you will need. There is no doubt he is guilty as are his cronies of inciting what happened next. Your glorious leader is now a Terrorist leader.

https://youtu.be/YVDJqipoohc?t=212

Klepper is brilliant and shows Trump supporters for what they are but they're so thick they can't even see themselves how daft they are. They've all been brainwashed by a snake oil salesman.....even non-Americans. I expect they will be off on more killing sprees before the 20th, waving their flags, chanting "USA", and singing the anthem between killing off more of their fellow Americans.
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There appears to be rare unanimity of opinion on here that you, Birdbrain, are showing your foolish side and embarrassing yourself. May I suggest that Dennis Healey’s Rule of Holes applies and so you should go away for a while and reflect on things.
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.....and disappear down one.......
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There appears to be rare unanimity of opinion on here that you, Birdbrain, are showing your foolish side and embarrassing yourself. May I suggest that Dennis Healey’s Rule of Holes applies and so you should go away for a while and reflect on things.


If asking for proof is embarrassing myself then I am totally at ease with that and I stopped caring long ago what the folk on here think of me ... Lets be honest and honesty is something you lot on here dont normally do, all you POTUS Trump haters obviously hate him regardless of what he says and whatever he says because of that blinkered hate you will twist and turn and alter it to suit your purpose ... Now I still have yet to see on here anything to back up all your whinging, screeching, Hollywood claims regarding this issue and calling me names and telling me to go away wont stop me asking and I thought you were better than that Stuart ... Surely one of you can show a Trump hating MSM clip somewhere that shows exactly what you lot find so difficult to put down in words
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.....read my lips......
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There appears to be rare unanimity of opinion on here that you, Birdbrain, are showing your foolish side and embarrassing yourself. May I suggest that Dennis Healey’s Rule of Holes applies and so you should go away for a while and reflect on things.


If asking for proof is embarrassing myself then I am totally at ease with that and I stopped caring long ago what the folk on here think of me ... Lets be honest and honesty is something you lot on here dont normally do, all you POTUS Trump haters obviously hate him regardless of what he says and whatever he says because of that blinkered hate you will twist and turn and alter it to suit your purpose ... Now I still have yet to see on here anything to back up all your whinging, screeching, Hollywood claims regarding this issue and calling me names and telling me to go away wont stop me asking and I thought you were better than that Stuart ... Surely one of you can show a Trump hating MSM clip somewhere that shows exactly what you lot find so difficult to put down in words


There is a point, when you are dealing with someone who displays a closed mind, that you give up tryng and think to yourself ..................
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ITV screened a documentary last night "Storming The Capitol: The Inside Story". I recorded it and watched this morning. The only TV news crew to get inside and escape relatively unscathed unlike an AP news crew had their camera equipment smashed up. Maybe Trumps terrorists decided the AP crew were Satanists and Paedos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJiSmVktty4&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=ITVNewsCatchup
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All that time and money trying to keep Muslims out and the Wall keeping god knows who out and its all home grown.
Lordy my bum.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 2:15 PM..................................
Now I have done as you say and attempted to answer the questions you list ... and cant for the life in me answer them or see the incitement ..............................so could you put your expertise to good use on this matter and please, please, please post up where the incitement is in the speech..

No Antony, I'm sorry to disappoint, but I have to admit defeat - because to me the answer lies in the field of psychiatry, and I am not a psychiatrist.

Two concepts I can sort of understand, which seem to offer some explanation, are "Confirmation bias" and "Cognitive dissonance".

Confirmation bias is defined as "the tendency of people to favour information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses". It "happens when a person gives more weight to evidence that confirms their beliefs, and undervalues evidence that could disprove it. People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs."

Cognitive dissonance arose from "an observation study of a cult which believed that the earth was going to be destroyed by a flood, and what happened to its members — particularly the really committed ones who had given up their homes and jobs to work for the cult — when the flood did not happen. While fringe members were more inclined to recognize that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience," committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

The only response I can give to your question is that the answers seem to me to lie somewhere within these realms. That is all I can say, because that is the only explanation which appears to explain why you cannot see what I, and it seems several others, see as starkly, staringly, obvious.
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Trump Jr now under investigation in DC

https://www.pix11.com/news/national-news/donald-trump-jr-under-investigation-in-dc-hakeem-jeffries-says
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Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess
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Twitter has now locked Rep. Lauren Boeberts account. Boebert, a QAnon freak had live tweeted Nancy Pelosi's location in the Capitol building during the invasion.

https://www.rawstory.com/lauren-boebert-twitter-locked/

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1349433155720196096
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Impeached......for the SECOND time. So he goes with that on his record as the only US President in history to be impeached twice. Ten Reps voted to impeach.....obviously there are some with a conscience.

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-impeachment-live-house-of-representatives-hearing-second-case-against-outgoing-president-12186819
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 8:02 PM

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Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.

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Ten Reps voted to impeach.....obviously there are some with a conscience.





If I were a Republican and my career - and possibly even my life - was at stake- I'm not sure how I would have voted.


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Bulletguy - 2021-01-13 9:38 PM

Ten Reps voted to impeach.....obviously there are some with a conscience.





If I were a Republican and my career - and possibly even my life - was at stake- I'm not sure how I would have voted.



It's a very volatile and dangerous situation which has been ignited by Trump with Giuliani and Trump Jr acting as his little echoes. That Trump showed zero remorse over the insurrection but instead went on to gaslight the gullible and blame shift to Pelosi and Schumer, infuriated many Reps.

Security fencing and barrier has gone up all round Mike Pences house and troops are already inside the Capitol building. As someone pointed out, the country isn't under threat of attack from a foreign force but it's own citizens.

https://twitter.com/ReedReports/status/1349326874573463555

https://twitter.com/KateBennett_DC/status/1349328779534082050
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Ten Reps voted to impeach.....obviously there are some with a conscience.





If I were a Republican and my career - and possibly even my life - was at stake- I'm not sure how I would have voted.



It's a very volatile and dangerous situation which has been ignited by Trump with Giuliani and Trump Jr acting as his little echoes. That Trump showed zero remorse over the insurrection but instead went on to gaslight the gullible and blame shift to Pelosi and Schumer, infuriated many Reps.

Security fencing and barrier has gone up all round Mike Pences house and troops are already inside the Capitol building. As someone pointed out, the country isn't under threat of attack from a foreign force but it's own citizens.

https://twitter.com/ReedReports/status/1349326874573463555

https://twitter.com/KateBennett_DC/status/1349328779534082050


I watched the half hour ITV report you posted earlier just now. Storming the Capitol. Its insane. Trump has a lot to answer for. This is radicalisation in its most dangerous form. Trump has become no better than those Terrorist leaders around the world that the west declared war on. Its simply shocking that it has come to this but not surprising. He has ensured with this radicalisation and his ridiculous fraud campaign that his legacy will tear the country apart. This is what you get when you elect extremists. I do not envy Biden and Harris trying to put their country back together.
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Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry

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Given the sisters on here are all mainly rabid Corbynites and to be fair we do have some anti-Semites n'all do the girls believe like many do that the sharp increase in anti-Semitism and the rise of attacks on Jews in the UK while Jeremy Corbyn was leader of a fairly open anti-Semitic party was partly or all down to him ??? ... I think I know the answer already but many others do blame him and if him and his party is to blame then surely they incited hatred and incited violence, something Jeremy acknowledged through his disgraceful response to the report and something Sure Queer Stammer acknowledges with his speech about not wanting the likes of Barry in the party anymore ???
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 7:02 AM

Given the sisters on here are all mainly rabid Corbynites and to be fair we do have some anti-Semites n'all do the girls believe like many do that the sharp increase in anti-Semitism and the rise of attacks on Jews in the UK while Jeremy Corbyn was leader of a fairly open anti-Semitic party was partly or all down to him ??? ... I think I know the answer already but many others do blame him and if him and his party is to blame then surely they incited hatred and incited violence, something Jeremy acknowledged through his disgraceful response to the report and something Sure Queer Stammer acknowledges with his speech about not wanting the likes of Barry in the party anymore ???


It was all just an illusion to smear Labour and Corbyn which i have to say I'm surprised you can even see given your (note) history. There are no attacks, there is no violence, it's just a needy group wanting attention.
Now on to a much more important subject.The Uk is one of the worlds biggest importers of Chinese Honey which is basically completely sugar syrup. Don't buy it.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 7:02 AM

Given the sisters on here are all mainly rabid Corbynites and to be fair we do have some anti-Semites n'all do the girls believe like many do that the sharp increase in anti-Semitism and the rise of attacks on Jews in the UK while Jeremy Corbyn was leader of a fairly open anti-Semitic party was partly or all down to him ??? ... I think I know the answer already but many others do blame him and if him and his party is to blame then surely they incited hatred and incited violence, something Jeremy acknowledged through his disgraceful response to the report and something Sure Queer Stammer acknowledges with his speech about not wanting the likes of Barry in the party anymore ???


Here you go again trying to weaponise antisemitism.

Earlier in this thread you said this image was photoshopped, care to admit that you have been mistakenly shouting "fake news " ?

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1349363525509111808?s=19

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Queer Stammer


I have listened to Keir Starmer for hours and never heard him stammer. He wouldn't have done so well as a barrister if he did.
Wheras BoJo stammers all the time.
So how do you expect people to know who you are talking about?
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What a surprise ... The sisters see it differently ... Chuckle
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4 years of violence, thuggery and death in the US not condemned by MSM, many Democrat politicians, BLM or our very own sisters ... https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1347302588434284544 ... Only now they screech their disapproval ... Lordy ... Hypocrites
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What a surprise ... The sisters see it differently ... Chuckle


What sisters?
And just to be clear
who is 'Queer Stammer'?
Is it someone who actually stammers?
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I'm in.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


"Gentleman of Chatterbox" ... You do know we have women on Chatterbox or do you just prefer if it were a gentlemen club ??? ... As for your other stuff ... How very childish and how very brave of you to want to shut someone down rather than debate ... As for your new found dislike of supposed insults its pretty much like your new found dislike of violence in the US as in I dont see you taking issue with others who supposedly use "insults" ... Of course you and others could shut me up very, very easily by giving the proof of what you preach but you cant ...By the way If you asked me to post up where in speeches delivered by Hitler he incited hatred towards Jews I could do that easily and lets be fair we have a member on here who has likened POTUS Trump to Hitler more than once ... Try growing some Stuart rather than running ... I will say though I appreciate you have said this publicly rather than sending PMs privately to members like you have to me in the past ... Regards
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Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?
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Perhaps the thing that will really hang Trump is his refusal to agree to the National Guard being deployed, aided and abetted by the stooges he appointed to the Pentagon after the November election.

"On the day of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the first National Guard members arrived to assist at about 5:40 p.m. By then, most of the violence had subsided.

In the critical minutes before rioters had breached the Capitol building around 2 p.m., the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police force and the mayor of Washington, D.C., put out urgent requests for guard backup. But it took more than an hour to get formal approval for their deployment, and then nearly three more hours for the first guard reinforcements to arrive.

The D.C. National Guard reports to the president.

In a recorded video the following day, President Donald Trump claimed that he “immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders.” But Trump’s claim that he acted quickly is contradicted by news reports citing unnamed sources who say the president initially resisted efforts to bring in the National Guard at the outset of the Capitol riot.

The New York Times, citing unnamed Defense Department officials, said it was Vice President Mike Pence, not Trump, who approved deployment of the D.C. National Guard that afternoon. The Times also cited a “person with knowledge of the events” who said Trump “initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard “and that the “mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials.”

CNN also reported that Trump “initially resisted” deploying the guard, according to an unnamed “source familiar” with the decision to call in the National Guard. Neither report says how long Trump may have resisted the call — minutes, hours? — whether that led to any appreciable delay in activating the guard, or whether an earlier deployment could have averted the worst of the violence.

Defense Department officials stress that Capitol Police did not request National Guard troops for the Capitol prior to the event — despite repeated offers from the military. The guard is “not designed to be an emergency response force,” one defense official told the Wall Street Journal.

So why weren’t National Guard troops included in the plans leading up to the rally to guard the Capitol that day? Why did it take so long for the guard to arrive that afternoon? And what was Trump’s role? The answers to those questions are likely to emerge as investigations about the response unfold.

Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy National Guard troops. We’ll supplement this report as we learn more.

The Planning
Dec. 31: Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, the D.C. director of homeland security and emergency management agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard support of the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department for the rally, according to a Pentagon timeline issued Jan. 8. In her letter, Bowser says, “No DCNG personnel shall be armed during this mission, and at no time, will DCNG personnel or assets be engaged in domestic surveillance, searches, or seizures of US persons.”

That same day, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters has an hourlong phone conversation with Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund to express her “grave concerns” about proposed security for the rally, given that several right-wing extremist groups were expected to be in attendance. Waters says Sund — who did not request National Guard backup prior to the day of the riot — assured her the Capitol plaza would be “absolutely secured” and that rally attendees “would not be able to get inside or on top of the Capitol building.”

The Capitol Police has jurisdiction over the federal Capitol building and grounds, while the D.C. police force has jurisdiction over city streets and property.

Jan. 3: The Department of Defense confirms with Capitol Police that there is no request for DoD support, according to the Pentagon.

Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller meets with “select Cabinet Members to discuss DoD support to law enforcement agencies and potential requirements for DoD support,” the Pentagon says.

Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meet with Trump, according to the Department of Defense. Trump agrees to activate the D.C. National Guard to support D.C. police (not Capitol Police) with crowd and traffic control. The Pentagon later tells Pro Publica, “The President had no role in tactical matters as the capabilities deployed and location were dictated solely by the request from D.C. government.”

D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee says 340 guardsmen will assist with crowd management and traffic control to free up the city police officers to respond to potential acts of violence and other security issues, according to CNN.

Jan. 4: Capitol Police again confirms there is no need for DoD support in a phone call with Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, according to the Pentagon. Miller, in consultation with Milley, McCarthy and DoD general counsel, “reviews the Department’s plan to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.” The support is mostly for traffic control, crowd control at subway stations and logistics support. Miller also authorizes McCarthy to deploy a “Quick Reaction Force” of 40 National Guard members staged at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland “if additional support is requested by civil authorities.”

Capitol Police Chief Sund asks the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms about the possibility of placing the D.C. National Guard on standby, in case the Capitol Police needed quick backup. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says they were hesitant to agree. According to the article, “House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he wasn’t comfortable with the ‘optics’ of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration, Sund said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that Sund should informally seek out his Guard contacts, asking them to ‘lean forward’ and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.” All three officials — Sund, Irving and Stenger — have since resigned.

Jan. 5: According to the Pentagon, Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the U.S. acting attorney general, Miller and McCarthy confirming that there are no additional support requests from the D.C. National Guard. Bowser later says that she already had the support she requested from the National Guard and that any decision to request guard forces to protect the Capitol is not hers. “The Capitol Police and the leadership at the Capitol, they did not make the decision to call in guard support,” Bowser later says in a press conference on Jan. 7. “I cannot order the Army, the National Guard, to the United States Capitol grounds. I can, in the district, with the approval of the secretary of the Army.”

According to an internal document reviewed by the Washington Post, an FBI office in Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to commit violence in Washington on Jan. 6. According to the bulletin — which Steven D’Antuono, head of the FBI’s Washington field office, said was shared “with all our law enforcement partners” through the joint terrorism task force — “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” Sund told the Post he never received nor was made aware of the FBI’s field bulletin.

The Day of the Rally
12:40 p.m.: The first protesters arrive at the Capitol, where Congress is meeting in joint session to certify Joe Biden’s election.

1.p.m.: Trump begins to wrap up his speech at the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse, a park near the White House. He tells rallygoers the presidential election was “stolen” by Democrats and the “fake news media,” and says that he’s going to walk with the crowd to the Capitol “to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones … the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” But Trump does not accompany the rally attendees to the Capitol.

Sund says he already realizes “things aren’t going well,” that the protesters came with riot helmets, gas masks, pepper spray, fireworks, metal pipes and baseball bats. Sund calls Metropolitan Police Chief Contee, who sends 100 officers to the Capitol, with the first ones arriving within 10 minutes, according to Sund’s interview with the Washington Post.

1:09 p.m.: Sund tells Irving and Stenger by phone that the National Guard is needed. Sund says both men told him they would “run it up the chain.”

1:26 p.m.: Capitol Police order the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

1:34 p.m.: In a phone call with Secretary of the Army McCarthy, Bowser requests an “unspecified number of additional forces,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

1:49 p.m.: Sund, in a phone call with the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, requests immediate assistance, and tells him to prepare to bring in the guard.

About 2 p.m.: Rioters breach the Capitol. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says, “If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive.”

2:10 p.m.: Sund says Irving calls him back with formal approval to send in the guard. But as the Washington Post noted, “Sund finally had approval to call the National Guard. But that would prove to be just the beginning of a bureaucratic nightmare to get soldiers on the scene.”

2:22 p.m.: The secretary of the Army, Bowser, D.C. police leadership and others “discuss the current situation and to request additional DCNG support,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:26 p.m.: Sund says he joins the conference call to plead for additional backup. “I am making urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund recalls saying. According to Sund and others on the call, the Washington Post reports, Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army staff, says he could not recommend that to his boss, McCarthy, because, “I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background.”

However, Piatt disputed that, saying in a statement: “I did not make the statement or any comments similar to what was attributed to me by Chief Sund in the Washington Post article — but would note that even in his telling he makes it clear that neither I, nor anyone else from [the Department of Defense], denied the deployment of requested personnel.”

2:30 p.m.: Miller, Milley and McCarthy meet to discuss the requests from Capitol Police and Bowser.

3 p.m.: Miller “determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD [Metropolitan Police Department] and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex,” according to the Pentagon timeline. Simultaneously, the D.C. National Guard prepares to move 150 personnel to support Capitol Police, pending Miller’s approval.

3:04 p.m.: Miller “provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG (1100 total) in support of the MPD,” according to the Pentagon. In response, McCarthy immediately directs the D.C. National Guard “to initiate movement and full mobilization.” That means the D.C. guard members helping with traffic and crowd control are redeployed to support the Metropolitan Police Department at the Capitol, and the entire D.C. guard begins full mobilization.

3:19 p.m.: McCarthy explains in a phone call to Sen. Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Miller has already approved full DCNG mobilization. Miller later releases a statement saying, “Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C. National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to peacefully address the situation.” No mention is made of Trump’s involvement.

3:36 p.m.: White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweets: “At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services.”

4:17 p.m.: Trump releases a video on social media in which he states, in part, “We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. … We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

5:02 p.m.: 154 members of the D.C. National Guard leave the D.C. Armory.

5:40 p.m.: The first National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol. By then, most of the violence had ended.

6 p.m.: A citywide curfew goes into effect.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

6:14 p.m.: Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police and the D.C. National Guard “successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol,” the Pentagon timeline states.

8 p.m.: Capitol Police declare the Capitol building secure.

8:06 p.m.: Vice President Mike Pence reopens the Senate. “The Capitol is secured and the people’s work continues,” Pence says. “To those who wreaked havoc in our Capitol today, you did not win. Violence never wins. Freedom wins, and this is still the people’s house.” Pelosi brings the House back into session less than an hour later.

Early the next morning, Pence officially affirmed the election results and that Joe Biden won the presidency.

In total, five people died as a result of the riot, including Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who was “injured while physically engaging with protesters” and died as a result of those injuries the day after the riot, according to Capitol Police.

Two Senate committees have announced a joint investigation into security failures related to the Jan. 6 riot.

“I think that there’s going to be a lot of time for us to figure out what happened,” D.C. Mayor Bowser said on Jan. 7. “Obviously it was a failure or you would not have had police lines breached and people enter the Capitol building by breaking windows and terrorizing the people, the members of Congress who were doing a very sacred constitutional requirement of their jobs. So clearly there was a failure there.”"
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.



The vast majority of forum members already do ignore his posts.

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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 10:16 AM

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Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?


"Trumps entire steal campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment" ... Are you mad ... What on earth would he gain by whipping up "the mob" to violently break into one of the US most sacred buildings causing death along the way ??? ... If as you more than suggest that was the intention what was the long term plan ??? ... Were the terrorists going to take over with POTUS Trump at the helm ??? ... For 2 months POTUS Trump has alleged the election was stolen and you seem more than annoyed by that but yet you dont mind that The Democrats have done the same for the last 4 years over Trumps election win and you might want to educate on what Pelosi has previously said regarding that election being stolen ... Dont know why you are posting about the US anyway ... Remember you "dont give a toss about America" ... Hypocrite and you'll upset new self appointed moderator Stuart by replying to me so check with him first and his new Nazi like rules on here
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-14 11:04 AM

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Barryd999 - 2021-01-13 9:41 PM

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jumpstart - 2021-01-13 7:57 PM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-13 7:46 PM

Page 8 of this thread and not one of the sisters has shown anything other than their pure hatred to back up their claims ... Wow


What a hooooot....got your eyes open yet ?


My eyes are open thanks ... Still looking and waiting after 8 pages for one single bit of evidence ??? ... No point getting you all dizzy and asking to provide it though ... Given your intelligence levels ya prolly dont know who Trump is ... Go back to sleep princess


Did you not watch the link I cued up for you? Trump, Giuliani and Trump Jr all inciting the crowd to violence. Everyone around the world has seen it and it would appear that the vast majority agree, it was incitement. What happens next I guess will depend on the judicial process in America. With any luck they will all get thrown in jail. Either way if you cannot see whats been put in front of you as clear evidence of incitement that led to a Terrorist attack on the heart of democracy then you are in denial.


Yes ... What part exactly of the link are you on about ??? ... Your hypocrisy is unbelievable ... "I dont give a toss about America" when its blatantly obvious you do, well you give a toss about one American ... You condemn others for supposedly inciting violence without showing any proof to back up the claim while finding UK thuggery, violence and criminality "funny" and Union Flag burning is a "photo opportunity" ... Keep on "not giving a toss" Barry


Watch it again. All three of them inciting violence to an already angry mob. Listen to the first three statements and tell me if you really think that such statements to an angry armed mob was not inciting violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=212&v=YVDJqipoohc&feature=youtu.be

It is absolutely clear to all who can open their eyes what the intention was. Trumps entire "Steal" campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment. He has whipped up these morons into such a frenzy over the voter fraud conspiracy that they are now truly radicalised and they truly believe they are right and righteous in their actions. Its exactly what happens with Terrorism which you of all people seeing as its one of your pet subjects should understand. There is the proof right there! The proof is his entire fake campaign from the past two months. The whole world can see it, why cant you?


"Trumps entire steal campaign over the past two months has been engineered to lead to this moment" ... Are you mad ... What on earth would he gain by whipping up "the mob" to violently break into one of the US most sacred buildings causing death along the way ??? ... If as you more than suggest that was the intention what was the long term plan ??? ... Were the terrorists going to take over with POTUS Trump at the helm ??? ... For 2 months POTUS Trump has alleged the election was stolen and you seem more than annoyed by that but yet you dont mind that The Democrats have done the same for the last 4 years over Trumps election win and you might want to educate on what Pelosi has previously said regarding that election being stolen ... Dont know why you are posting about the US anyway ... Remember you "dont give a toss about America" ... Hypocrite and you'll upset new self appointed moderator Stuart by replying to me so check with him first and his new Nazi like rules on here


Because he is a moron intent on leaving as big a mess as possible and leaving a trail of disruption, doubt and anger in his wake. The objective being to disrupt and hinder as much as possible Biden and Harris over the next four years. He has succeeded in convincing millions of people that they were robbed despite the humongous amount of evidence to the contrary and the lack of any evidence supporting his claim. Some of his supporters are now so radicalised they just refuse to see it. Comparing that to anything the Democrats have claimed is laughable.

I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 11:56 AM .... I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".


I have merely suggested to everyone that we take this opportunity, after a particularly blinkered, offensive and insulting set of postings from Birdbrain, that we ignore his posts for a while. I think your suggestion to him (that he reflects on what has been throwing at us all, quite pointlessly as I see it) makes excellent sense. His is of course perfectly entitled to express his own opinions and to defend Trump if he genuinely feels that way but I didn't get the impression he was doing that - but instead was arguing for arguing's sake and demanding his own barrack-room lawyerish nit picking standards of proof to back up other people's accusations about Trump inciting the rabble - and being gratuitously offensive and insulting to everyone else on here in the process.

And by the way I don't think wholesale insulting of other contributors is within the Forum Rules since you've brought them into it.

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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 11:56 AM .... I dont agree with Stuart. You have a right to say what you like as have the rest of us providing its within the forum rules. You should do yourself a favour on this one and just admit you backed the wrong horse and that Trump was indeed a "Wrongun".


I have merely suggested to everyone that we take this opportunity, after a particularly blinkered, offensive and insulting set of postings from Birdbrain, that we ignore his posts for a while. I think your suggestion to him (that he reflects on what has been throwing at us all, quite pointlessly as I see it) makes excellent sense. His is of course perfectly entitled to express his own opinions and to defend Trump if he genuinely feels that way but I didn't get the impression he was doing that - but instead was arguing for arguing's sake and demanding his own barrack-room lawyerish nit picking standards of proof to back up other people's accusations about Trump inciting the rabble - and being gratuitously offensive and insulting to everyone else on here in the process.

And by the way I don't think wholesale insulting of other contributors is within the Forum Rules since you've brought them into it.


Yes but I keep hoping that one day he might see the light. I feel its my duty as a moderate to try and convince Mr Birdbrain of the errors of his ways in supporting the likes of Trump. I can take the insults. Its hurtful at times especially when he calls me "Fatso" etc but I am willing to take it on the chin for the greater good.
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Back on topic......

Trump seems to have wound his neck in, restricting himself to a concise "let's not have any violence" clip without addressing it particularly to his supporters but at least he seems to have worked out that encouraging the riotus invasion of the Capital seriously backfired. One of his sons is reported to have sucked back on the attempts to get Trump a replacement voice on another social media platform as well. Ten Republicans in the House voted for his impeachment and the majority leader of the Senate (a powerful Republican) is saying he will decide on the day, so it's by no means impossible that Trump will be found guilty by the Senate, and then banned from holding any future public office.

I suppose it will boil down to whether enough Republican Senators vote to get rid of Trump; they need 17 in order to achieve the 2/3 majority.
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-14 12:38 PM ....Yes but I keep hoping that one day he might see the light. I feel its my duty as a moderate to try and convince Mr Birdbrain of the errors of his ways in supporting the likes of Trump. I can take the insults. Its hurtful at times especially when he calls me "Fatso" etc but I am willing to take it on the chin for the greater good.


Then just ignore the fool for a while, that should get the message across.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


I'm not trying to run Birdbrain off the forum altogether and this has nothing to do with whether he supports Trump or not. I've already explained that I am not trying to censor Birdbrain's opinions,merely encouraging everyone to ignore his posts for a period (say a couple of weeks) to get him to realise that arguing aggressively for arguing's sake while also dishing out gratuitous insults to all and sundry (because they were not immediately dancing to his tune) is such poor behaviour that even on Chatterbox it needs bringing to heel. Birdbrain is above all an attention-seeker, which is why he goes OTT like this from time to time. Let's agree to ignore his posts (completely) for a couple of weeks to encourage him to behave a bit less like an exhibitionist idiot, eh?

Chatterbox is not moderated but we, the users, can nevertheless effectively chastise a contributor who goes so completely OTT if we wish, as I believe Birdbrain was persisting in doing, by simply ignoring him for a period. If we deny him the attention he craves for a while he should get the message.

Edited by StuartO 2021-01-14 2:21 PM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.

Edited by StuartO 2021-01-14 2:23 PM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM

StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.

Edited by jumpstart 2021-01-14 2:30 PM
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM

StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


I'm not trying to run Birdbrain off the forum altogether and this has nothing to do with whether he supports Trump or not. I've already explained that I am not trying to censor Birdbrain's opinions,merely encouraging everyone to ignore his posts for a period (say a couple of weeks) to get him to realise that arguing aggressively for arguing's sake while also dishing out gratuitous insults to all and sundry (because they were not immediately dancing to his tune) is such poor behaviour that even on Chatterbox it needs bringing to heel. Birdbrain is above all an attention-seeker, which is why he goes OTT like this from time to time. Let's agree to ignore his posts (completely) for a couple of weeks to encourage him to behave a bit less like an exhibitionist idiot, eh?

Chatterbox is not moderated but we, the users, can nevertheless effectively chastise a contributor who goes so completely OTT if we wish, as I believe Birdbrain was persisting in doing, by simply ignoring him for a period. If we deny him the attention he craves for a while he should get the message.


Dear oh dear ... Hypocrisy lives ... You ignore the arguing by others on this thread yet I am the troll and attention seeker because I supposedly argue and dare ask for proof ... You ignore the insults towards me on this thread and when I supposedly insult others I am the troll and attention seeker ... Others on threads all over Chatterbox have poor behaviour as I supposedly do yet I am the troll and attention seeker ... I disagree with most of the left leaning opinions on here and get called anything and everything for doing so yet I have never called for others to ignore those I disagree with, unlike you have yet I am the troll and attention seeker ... Chuckle
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 2:21 PM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.


Will you be doing this every time I post
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 2:24 PM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage him to reflect.


Will you be doing this every time I post
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM .... [Birdbrain] has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.


You are the lawyer of course but I suggest that the Senate Trial's decison will have relatively little to do with the law or logic or even the US Constitution and more to do with partisan politics, as of course did the "not guilty" verdict last time Trump was impeached. It will all hang on whether enough Republican Senators are willing to vote for impeachment because a 2/3 majority is needed, which means that 17 Republicans will need to be brave enough to cross the floor on this "trial" vote. Whether enough of them do this might not even have much to do with whether they think Trump engaged in high misdemeanours (or whatever it is that he's supposed to have done) so much as whether the GOP realises that enough is enough and they now need to put Trump firmly behind them so the the Republican party can move on without Trump as a threat to their future by insisting on running in the 2024 Presidential Election.

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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towrds others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty.
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jumpstart - 2021-01-14 2:29 PM

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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.


Exactly! Not only him but the messages from Trump Jr and that odious perv Giuliani were absolutely clear. Well they were to me. Surprised at Veronicas post.

I guess its for the Judicial system and the impeachment trial to decide now. I suspect it will fail but maybe only just. Either way, I think the entire episode just showed Trump and his fanatical supporters up for what they are. Undemocratic Fascists. Perhaps with any luck its made moderate Trump supporters finally realise what they signed up to. I was hoping that perhaps Mr Birdbrain might have thought that also.
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So when Jeremy Corbyn said he will "fight capitalists" "fight the government" "fight for the freedom of press" he actually quite literally meant fight as in fisticuffs ??? ... Who knew that ??? ... Stuart ???
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM

StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th

You won't because by then the damage had been done so his incitement was a success. In the few public speeches he's given since, whilst not openly supporting the insurrection he hasn't exactly shown contrition. It was this which angered Senators within his own party who had had enough of his belligerent arrogance.
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Ooops....

The Guardian: Trump 'refusing to pay' Rudy Giuliani's legal fees after falling out.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

It was only a few days ago Trump was telling us all how great Rudy was.

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Ooops....

The Guardian: Trump 'refusing to pay' Rudy Giuliani's legal fees after falling out.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

It was only a few days ago Trump was telling us all how great Rudy was.

Because he hasn't managed to prove Trumps lies about voter fraud and Trump thinks $20k a day should get him a better liar and overturn the election.

Last week Trump was cooing; "Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican party. He’s got guts, he fights. He fights."
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The delusional manchild still claiming he's won the election.

https://tinyurl.com/y6sa2amm

Apparently he's scheduled to address the world and his fellow wingnuts via the Space Force Global Satellite system. Turn on and tune in....it's going to be wild!



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Thought provoking though as the poster says, 'his supporters won't see it'. So true.

"Idolatry on a national scale....."

https://twitter.com/SallyDeal4/status/1349625356571930625
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jumpstart - 2021-01-14 3:35 PM

Ooops....

The Guardian: Trump 'refusing to pay' Rudy Giuliani's legal fees after falling out.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

It was only a few days ago Trump was telling us all how great Rudy was.


Ha Ha! Thats funny. I cant decide who is the most vile out of the two to be honest. Giuliani, not so smart eh? Always ask a Moron for money up front when you are sure he is throwing it down the toilet.
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StuartO - 2021-01-14 9:27 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.


Exactly! Not only him but the messages from Trump Jr and that odious perv Giuliani were absolutely clear. Well they were to me. Surprised at Veronicas post.

I guess its for the Judicial system and the impeachment trial to decide now. I suspect it will fail but maybe only just. Either way, I think the entire episode just showed Trump and his fanatical supporters up for what they are. Undemocratic Fascists. Perhaps with any luck its made moderate Trump supporters finally realise what they signed up to. I was hoping that perhaps Mr Birdbrain might have thought that also.


Whilst Trump is an immoral, lying and self-seeking megalomaniac who I detest I was intending to add to the debate by questioning one of the allegations in the draft impeachment. I do not profess to have the answer to that question because I am not an expert in either the US constitution or the criminal law that derives from it. It is not unreasonable in my view to question whether it can be proved that he incited his followers to commit unlawful acts by using any of the words he spoke when telling them that they should march on the Capitol. What Trump's son or that madman Giuliani said doesn't tell us what Trump's intentions were. Stuart has made the point that the answer is likely to be dictated by political considerations rather that an unbiased application of the law and I agree with him.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.


Exactly! Not only him but the messages from Trump Jr and that odious perv Giuliani were absolutely clear. Well they were to me. Surprised at Veronicas post.

I guess its for the Judicial system and the impeachment trial to decide now. I suspect it will fail but maybe only just. Either way, I think the entire episode just showed Trump and his fanatical supporters up for what they are. Undemocratic Fascists. Perhaps with any luck its made moderate Trump supporters finally realise what they signed up to. I was hoping that perhaps Mr Birdbrain might have thought that also.


Whilst Trump is an immoral, lying and self-seeking megalomaniac who I detest I was intending to add to the debate by questioning one of the allegations in the draft impeachment. I do not profess to have the answer to that question because I am not an expert in either the US constitution or the criminal law that derives from it. It is not unreasonable in my view to question whether it can be proved that he incited his followers to commit unlawful acts by using any of the words he spoke when telling them that they should march on the Capitol. What Trump's son or that madman Giuliani said doesn't tell us what Trump's intentions were. Stuart has made the point that the answer is likely to be dictated by political considerations rather that an unbiased application of the law and I agree with him.


Perhaps but whether it can be proved or not in a court I dont know, you might be right. It seemed very much like incitement to me from all of them, not just Trump but I guess we will have to wait and see. My personal feeling is that it was planned, he knew what was going to happen and it probably explains why there was just a token gesture of law enforcement in place to prevent it. That of course is just my opinion and can probably not be proved.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.


Exactly! Not only him but the messages from Trump Jr and that odious perv Giuliani were absolutely clear. Well they were to me. Surprised at Veronicas post.

I guess its for the Judicial system and the impeachment trial to decide now. I suspect it will fail but maybe only just. Either way, I think the entire episode just showed Trump and his fanatical supporters up for what they are. Undemocratic Fascists. Perhaps with any luck its made moderate Trump supporters finally realise what they signed up to. I was hoping that perhaps Mr Birdbrain might have thought that also.


Whilst Trump is an immoral, lying and self-seeking megalomaniac who I detest I was intending to add to the debate by questioning one of the allegations in the draft impeachment. I do not profess to have the answer to that question because I am not an expert in either the US constitution or the criminal law that derives from it. It is not unreasonable in my view to question whether it can be proved that he incited his followers to commit unlawful acts by using any of the words he spoke when telling them that they should march on the Capitol. What Trump's son or that madman Giuliani said doesn't tell us what Trump's intentions were. Stuart has made the point that the answer is likely to be dictated by political considerations rather that an unbiased application of the law and I agree with him.


But Trump's actions in refusing to let the National Guard attend once it had all kicked off, an action that has to be sanctioned by him or his Secretary of Defense, that will be his final undoing.
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain is resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether from now on.


I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.



He must have said ..i want you to " fight" about 30 times.
Fight is what they did.


Exactly! Not only him but the messages from Trump Jr and that odious perv Giuliani were absolutely clear. Well they were to me. Surprised at Veronicas post.

I guess its for the Judicial system and the impeachment trial to decide now. I suspect it will fail but maybe only just. Either way, I think the entire episode just showed Trump and his fanatical supporters up for what they are. Undemocratic Fascists. Perhaps with any luck its made moderate Trump supporters finally realise what they signed up to. I was hoping that perhaps Mr Birdbrain might have thought that also.


It is not unreasonable in my view to question whether it can be proved that he incited his followers to commit unlawful acts by using any of the words he spoke when telling them that they should march on the Capitol.

It's subtle Veronica. As Brian commented his 'speech' veers pretty much all over the place as is Trumps stock in trade when public speaking so lots of it is the usual waffling, lashings of self-praise, and droning on and on about election 'fraud'. Lots of talk about "them" and "they".......but never states exactly who 'them' and 'they' are supposed to be though it's obvious enough to his flock;

"We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen." That was enough for the crowd to start chanting "Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!"

There's lots of talk about 'fighting' but it's subtle. "Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican party. He’s got guts, he fights. He fights, and I’ll tell you." A week later and Rudy is out of favour and Trump refuses to pay him. Nothing new there then!

"Many of you have traveled from all across the nation to be here, and I want to thank you for the extraordinary love. That’s what it is. There’s never been a movement like this ever, ever for the extraordinary love for this amazing country and this amazing movement."

Crowd is now well geared up....."We love Trump! We love Trump! We love Trump!"

Back to fighting; "Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight."

"Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

His followers walked........but where was their Dear Leader who had said "I’ll be there with you"? Nowhere to be seen......he'd run off to let them get on with it!

"Looking out at all the amazing patriots here today, I have never been more confident in our nation’s future.....

And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."


So if you don't fight you are not a "patriot" in Trump world. The crowd was already fired up and came prepared for war. Guns, God, pitchforks and pipe bombs. They even brought a full size set of gallows ready for a spot of lynching. Trump was the primer who lit the fuse.....and then ran off.
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Violet1956 - 2021-01-14 1:49 PM..................................
I think I may have urged forum members to ignore Antony in the past, On reflection I believe that would be a bad move. I disagree with him most of the time and am often irritated by his " whataboutery". He has alienated members of the forum by trotting out personal putdowns. Nevertheless, if you take out all of that c**p he has raised what I consider to be a valid point regarding Trump's behaviour. I have scoured all the news reports of Trump's exhortations to his followers. Nowhere can I find evidence of his support of the violence we all saw on the 6th January. I note that the draft impeachment refers to what was foreseeable rather than what Trump intended. If the test under US law is subjective i.e.what Trump could foresee as opposed to what "the reasonable man" would foresee then Trump cannot be held responsible for the egregious acts of his followers because he is an idiot.

Hello Veronica. I think what he did falls into the category of smoking next to a powder keg. If it goes bang, don't be surprised!

But then, who assembled the powder keg, handed round the cigarettes, failed to point out the risk, and then went home - only to later express surprise at the resulting explosion! Idiot? Can an idiot really become President of the USA? Would 70 million really vote for an idiot? Besides, is ascribing his actions (and inactions) to mental insufficiency (yes, I know!) really enough to excuse the actions of a 75 year old adult?

So if not an idiot, what? Desperate, reckless, and lacking foresight? I'm sure he didn't intend the actual outcome of his incitement, but given the highly charged temperament of the mob (who he'd been winding up for weeks), it is difficult to imagine that he couldn't foresee some risk that it could all get out of hand.

There is also the matter of why he decided to go home, instead of going with them (as he implied he would) to try to restrain the hotheads. One could have more faith in the claims that he didn't foresee the violence if he'd actively tried to restrain it once it began. Hardly the mark of a competent Commander in Chief, though?

But does that amount to an adequate ground for impeachment? We'll see. His best defence seems to be that he was elected, and as the electorate can hardly claim they didn't know what they were voting for, in the end it was all their fault, not his!
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Chuckle ... The forums high and mighty dont act so high and mighty with Veronica ... Chuckle ... You there Stuart ???
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Rep. Mikie Sherrill talks with Rachel Maddow about the investigation she and thirty other members of Congress have requested into an unusual number of tour groups being shown around the Capitol the day before Donald Trump supporters would rampage through the building, some with an apparently uncanny familiarity with the layout.

Growing concerns that there was definitely help from the inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRYVQlfjbI&ab_channel=MSNBC
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Trumps followers are as deranged, unhinged and batsh1t crazy as he is!

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1349781522614804480
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.
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StuartO - 2021-01-15 8:19 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.


I have security at my home by the way ... I installed it after another member on here gave out details of my home address so if you bully boys are thinking of coming here and stepping it up a gear you'll be very sorry
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Chuckle ... The forums high and mighty dont act so high and mighty with Veronica ... Chuckle ... You there Stuart ???

Now, why might that be? Tricky, innit?
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-15 9:06 AM.........................I have security at my home by the way ... I installed it after another member on here gave out details of my home address so if you bully boys are thinking of coming here and stepping it up a gear you'll be very sorry

Which he gained because you linked your business details, which included your address and phone number, to your profile, as I pointed out to you when you complained. So anyone could have done that and, given your needlessly abrasive posting style, probably did - if only to see if such a person actually existed, and if so, where. You can hardly blame the persecuted for wanting to know more about their persecutor, can you? Now you think you need security. Why? Lots of enemies? Why? Own goals!
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-15 9:06 AM

StuartO - 2021-01-15 8:19 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.


I have security at my home by the way ... I installed it after another member on here gave out details of my home address so if you bully boys are thinking of coming here and stepping it up a gear you'll be very sorry


If you are worried that armed and dangerous Chatterbollox members are going to storm Birdbrain Towers I have Dave Pelmets email address, You could always go and stay in his Brexit Caravan until it all blows over.
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Chuckle ... The forums high and mighty dont act so high and mighty with Veronica ... Chuckle ... You there Stuart ???

Now, why might that be? Tricky, innit?


Not tricky at all ... The simple truth is that most of the time Veronicas view fits in with most others views on here ... Mine doesnt ... Nothing tricky ... You seem to have broken the very grown up Stuart ban
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-15 9:06 AM.........................I have security at my home by the way ... I installed it after another member on here gave out details of my home address so if you bully boys are thinking of coming here and stepping it up a gear you'll be very sorry

Which he gained because you linked your business details, which included your address and phone number, to your profile, as I pointed out to you when you complained. So anyone could have done that and, given your needlessly abrasive posting style, probably did - if only to see if such a person actually existed, and if so, where. You can hardly blame the persecuted for wanting to know more about their persecutor, can you? Now you think you need security. Why? Lots of enemies? Why? Own goals!


You seem to be excusing that another member on here, one I havent ever met or have any intention of meeting tracked down my home address and published details about it on here and because you claim I have an abrasive posting style ... Wow
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty.
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An anti-tax group funded primarily by billionaires has emerged as one of the biggest backers of the Republican lawmakers who sought to overturn the US election results, according to an analysis by the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/15/trump-republicans-election-defeat-club-for-growth?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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StuartO - 2021-01-15 2:51 PM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty.


The forums new SS leader speaks
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Sobering ......

The Guardian: Police officer recalls moment Capitol mob yelled: 'Kill him with his own gun!'.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/15/police-officer-capitol-mob-kill-him-with-his-own-gun
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Chuckle ... The forums high and mighty dont act so high and mighty with Veronica ... Chuckle ... You there Stuart ???

Now, why might that be? Tricky, innit?

Not tricky at all ... The simple truth is that most of the time Veronicas view fits in with most others views on here ... Mine doesnt ... Nothing tricky ... You seem to have broken the very grown up Stuart ban

No, that is not the case at all. When Veronica disagrees she does so politely, intelligently, without insult put-down or innuendo, and usually also says why she disagrees, even in the face of some of your belittling replies. That is the difference, and no "fights" then break out. QED?
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Brian Kirby - 2021-01-15 7:12 PM

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Chuckle ... The forums high and mighty dont act so high and mighty with Veronica ... Chuckle ... You there Stuart ???

Now, why might that be? Tricky, innit?

Not tricky at all ... The simple truth is that most of the time Veronicas view fits in with most others views on here ... Mine doesnt ... Nothing tricky ... You seem to have broken the very grown up Stuart ban

No, that is not the case at all. When Veronica disagrees she does so politely, intelligently, without insult put-down or innuendo, and usually also says why she disagrees, even in the face of some of your belittling replies. That is the difference, and no "fights" then break out. QED?


"belittling replies" like when you called the fella you now back Stuart a "racist" you mean simply because you disagreed with him ??? ... The righteous of the forum make me wanna honk
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Just how bad Trumpism gets when school pupils are being radicalised and indoctrinated by their school teacher.

A Burlington teacher, Jeff Taff, who went to D.C. and shared voter fraud conspiracies with students. He told students he would travel to Washington, D.C., to stand up for "election integrity" and shared voter fraud conspiracy theories in class.

Burlington parent Jon Phetteplace whose son was in Taff's class said, "I couldn't believe it. It's completely inappropriate," said Phetteplace. "You're there to teach. You're not there to indoctrinate, especially with something that is not fact."

Phetteplace asked his son if his teacher made other comments that made him uncomfortable and his son told him that Taff believed the coronavirus was "a hoax."

“That made him uncomfortable because his mom, my wife, is an ER nurse,” Phetteplace said.

His son also mentioned Taff made comments suggesting Jewish people created lies that led to "allowing themselves to be killed" in the Holocaust. “That’s something that stood out because my wife, she is Jewish,” Phetteplace said. “My son, after hearing the comments on the Holocaust, was physically shaken from it.”

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/07/burlington-history-teacher-went-trump-d-c-protest-leave/6587821002/
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And another teacher telling her class the Capitol riots were Antifa and Trump supporters tried to stop them breaking in! A student who asked her "what about the Proud Boys" was ignored.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kwwyui/teacher_lies_to_her_students_about_the_dc_riots/
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Just how bad Trumpism gets when school pupils are being radicalised and indoctrinated by their school teacher.

A Burlington teacher, Jeff Taff, who went to D.C. and shared voter fraud conspiracies with students. He told students he would travel to Washington, D.C., to stand up for "election integrity" and shared voter fraud conspiracy theories in class.

Burlington parent Jon Phetteplace whose son was in Taff's class said, "I couldn't believe it. It's completely inappropriate," said Phetteplace. "You're there to teach. You're not there to indoctrinate, especially with something that is not fact."

Phetteplace asked his son if his teacher made other comments that made him uncomfortable and his son told him that Taff believed the coronavirus was "a hoax."

“That made him uncomfortable because his mom, my wife, is an ER nurse,” Phetteplace said.

His son also mentioned Taff made comments suggesting Jewish people created lies that led to "allowing themselves to be killed" in the Holocaust. “That’s something that stood out because my wife, she is Jewish,” Phetteplace said. “My son, after hearing the comments on the Holocaust, was physically shaken from it.”

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/07/burlington-history-teacher-went-trump-d-c-protest-leave/6587821002/


Lack of proper education.
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Ivanka and Jared now panicking over their future. Apparently the NY social set have shunned them......oh dear.

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1350068410261123073

But when you ban your bodyguards from using the toilet at home despite having six toilets in the house forcing them to drive a to Pences residence, she deserves no sympathy.

https://tinyurl.com/yyqvl5zu
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Ivanka and Jared now panicking over their future. Apparently the NY social set have shunned them......oh dear.

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1350068410261123073

But when you ban your bodyguards from using the toilet at home despite having six toilets in the house forcing them to drive a to Pences residence, she deserves no sympathy.

https://tinyurl.com/yyqvl5zu


Chip off the old block that one. Vile. Technically pretty but what a cold fish, there is just nothing to like. The only one that has any warmth is possibly Melania if she can ever break free from the entire family of horrors. Perhaps she might now.
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Looks like the plan was documented, wait for it all to kick off and then use the Insurgency Act to keep Trump in power.

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1350195958265557000?s=19
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Ivanka and Jared now panicking over their future. Apparently the NY social set have shunned them......oh dear.

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1350068410261123073

But when you ban your bodyguards from using the toilet at home despite having six toilets in the house forcing them to drive a to Pences residence, she deserves no sympathy.

https://tinyurl.com/yyqvl5zu


Chip off the old block that one. Vile. Technically pretty but what a cold fish, there is just nothing to like.

Worse still, her appearance with "Daddy" on a Howard Stern show. Something very odd in that family.
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Nebraska Senator Bill Sasse released this statement:

“Every American needs to understand what the Department of Justice has just made public: Investigators have strong evidence to suggest that some of the rioters who stormed the United States Capitol planned to kidnap and possibly assassinate the Vice President.”

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1350161732426223618
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Ivanka and Jared now panicking over their future. Apparently the NY social set have shunned them......oh dear.

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1350068410261123073

But when you ban your bodyguards from using the toilet at home despite having six toilets in the house forcing them to drive a to Pences residence, she deserves no sympathy.

https://tinyurl.com/yyqvl5zu


Chip off the old block that one. Vile. Technically pretty but what a cold fish, there is just nothing to like. The only one that has any warmth is possibly Melania if she can ever break free from the entire family of horrors. Perhaps she might now.


More "not giving a toss about America" ... Chuckle
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BLM and left wing activist arrested ... https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-activist-john-sullivan-arrested-for-involvement-in-capitol-riots ... "funny" lot these POTUS Trump supporters
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts, to deny him the attention he clearly wants to attract.


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StuartO - 2021-01-16 7:55 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts, to deny him the attention he clearly wants to attract.




More inciting hatred on thread after thread by Stuart ... Shameful
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Posted: 16 January 2021 8:43 AM
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Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. It is notewworthy however that everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of agressive posts and offensive insulting of people is awful and I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways.
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Posted: 16 January 2021 8:58 AM
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StuartO - 2021-01-16 8:43 AM

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. It is notewworthy however that everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of agressive posts and offensive insulting of people is awful and I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways.


Disgraceful bullying and trolling
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Posted: 16 January 2021 9:24 AM
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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. It is notewworthy however that everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of agressive posts and offensive insulting of people is awful and I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways.
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Posted: 16 January 2021 9:26 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-16 7:46 AM

BLM and left wing activist arrested ... https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-activist-john-sullivan-arrested-for-involvement-in-capitol-riots ... "funny" lot these POTUS Trump supporters


He says though that his presence there was to document and prove that the riots were the sole work off Trump Supporters. Lets face it, they were. The white faces, military clobber, pro Trump flags and banners were probably a bit of a clue. Dont make yourself look stupid by following the mental conspracy theories that this was somehow the work of the "lefties".

From your link

"In the social media video, Sullivan added that his videos proved that the riots were comprised of Trump supporters and not antifa members."
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Posted: 16 January 2021 9:47 AM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-16 9:26 AM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-16 7:46 AM

BLM and left wing activist arrested ... https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-activist-john-sullivan-arrested-for-involvement-in-capitol-riots ... "funny" lot these POTUS Trump supporters


He says though that his presence there was to document and prove that the riots were the sole work off Trump Supporters. Lets face it, they were. The white faces, military clobber, pro Trump flags and banners were probably a bit of a clue. Dont make yourself look stupid by following the mental conspracy theories that this was somehow the work of the "lefties".

From your link

"In the social media video, Sullivan added that his videos proved that the riots were comprised of Trump supporters and not antifa members."


Seems a bit of a confused individual.

"His true motives have already been called into question by leftist activist groups online, including Rebellion Baby, which tweeted an extensive takedown accusing him of being an “infiltrator/agent provocateur.”

“John has been kicked from the #SaltLakeCity and #Portland protest scenes due to alarming behaviors including grifting/profiteering, self-promotion/clout chasing, sabotage of community actions, threats of violence, and — maybe most disturbingly — ties to the far-right,” the group tweeted on Nov. 26.

Sullivan is facing riot and criminal mischief charges for his participation in a Black Lives Matter protest in Utah in June, according to Rolling Stone.

But Rebellion Baby also pointed to Sullivan’s brother, James Sullivan, a Trump diehard who founded the conservative political organization Civilized Awakening. The group, they alleged, has “strong ties to Proud Poys — even having spoken at a Proud Boy rally.”"

More here https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/who-is-john-sullivan-accused-provocateur-charged-in-capitol-riot/
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Posted: 16 January 2021 10:10 AM
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Al Jazeera English: US says Capitol mob meant to ‘capture and assassinate’ officials.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/us-says-capitol-mob-meant-to-capture-and-assassinate-officials

They were absolutely not just Trump supporters there were a number of right wing groups involved.
Republican staff even gave tours a day or do before hamd apparently to give people the lie of the land .
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Posted: 16 January 2021 11:59 AM
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https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/

One of the guys who was definitely going to take prisoners.
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Posted: 16 January 2021 1:02 PM
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StuartO - 2021-01-16 9:24 AM

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. He has toned his insults down a little since I started posting these notices, so they are having a useful effect.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and this has shown us that he, Birdbrain, is pretty much unrepentant and is still responding in his same old ways, including with spurious, indeed rather silly counter-accusations. It is notewworthy however that everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of agressive posts and offensive insulting of people is awful and I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways.


Horrendous ... Hes now added a further header warning ... Shame on those who are actually allowing this regardless of anyones opinion on me ... You dont get change by bullying and making threats
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Posted: 16 January 2021 2:58 PM
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The FBI are hunting Trumps thugs down.....over 140,000 tip offs identifying them.

Capitol police speak out over Trump mob’s ‘brutal, medieval-style combat’


Capitol police officers have described how they thought they would die after being subjected to ‘brutal, medieval style combat’ by pro-Trump rioters.

Speaking for the first time since the ugly scenes that left five people, including a policeman, dead, officer Daniel Hodges told Sky News: ‘They were calling us traitors, shouting at us, telling us to remember our oath, and eventually, they attacked us.’

A video from the scene shows Mr Hodges trapped by a metal door, covered in blood and screaming for help. He said there were several occasions where he feared he wouldn’t survive.

At one point a rioter managed to get his thumb in the officer’s eye and was trying to gauge it out.

https://tinyurl.com/y5s9exok
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Posted: 16 January 2021 3:56 PM
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“"I thought I was following my president. I thought I was following what we were called to do. He asked us to fly there. So I was doing was he asked us to do.”
-- Jenna Ryan, Texas realtor and Trump supporter, who was arrested yesterday by the FBI for her part in the January 6th failed overthrow of the US government.

It doesn't matter if YOU believe Donald Trump was attempting to incite sedition.

TRUMP'S OWN FOLLOWERS BELIEVED THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

Every single one of those arrested for the Jan 6th insurrection said the same thing: they stormed the Capitol Building specifically because Donald Trump TOLD THEM TO, because he told them the election was stolen, and because he told them to "fight like hell" to overturn the election. They came waving not the flag of America, but TRUMP flags alongside those of Nazis and Confederates -- the banners of hate, of racists and fascists, and the very enemies of freedom and democracy the world over. They came with weapons and ropes and malice aforethought, and they fully intended to kidnap and execute members of congress -- and the Vice President -- solely in order install Donald Trump as president.

That's sedition.

That's insurrection.

That's an attempted coup.

By his own actions, by his own words, and as described by his own followers, Donald Trump is the man who led it.

Trump not only needs to be impeached by Congress, he needs to be formally charged for his criminal actions against the United States of America. And likewise those in Congress and state governments who aided and abetted this treason."
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Posted: 16 January 2021 5:09 PM
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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. If you would like to see what he has been posting browse pages 6 and earlier of the Trump's Last Throw of the Dice thread. Birdbrain has eased off on his insults since them but he's replaced with outraged complaining on a completely spurious basis. As you can see from reading this notice all I'm doing is asking him to tell us he's not going to be so nasty from now on.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and that's a pity because I think they are likely to be giving Birdbrain encouragement but he is pretty much unrepentant so far and is sticking to his ourage about being persecuted, which of course is nonesense. Everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of aggressive posts and offensive, gratuitous insulting of people has been awful.

I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways. If we all do this for a while he's bound to get the message eventually.
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Posted: 16 January 2021 6:11 PM
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-16 3:56 PM

“"I thought I was following my president. I thought I was following what we were called to do. He asked us to fly there. So I was doing was he asked us to do.”
-- Jenna Ryan, Texas realtor and Trump supporter, who was arrested yesterday by the FBI for her part in the January 6th failed overthrow of the US government.

It doesn't matter if YOU believe Donald Trump was attempting to incite sedition.

TRUMP'S OWN FOLLOWERS BELIEVED THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

Every single one of those arrested for the Jan 6th insurrection said the same thing: they stormed the Capitol Building specifically because Donald Trump TOLD THEM TO, because he told them the election was stolen, and because he told them to "fight like hell" to overturn the election. They came waving not the flag of America, but TRUMP flags alongside those of Nazis and Confederates -- the banners of hate, of racists and fascists, and the very enemies of freedom and democracy the world over. They came with weapons and ropes and malice aforethought, and they fully intended to kidnap and execute members of congress -- and the Vice President -- solely in order install Donald Trump as president.

That's sedition.

That's insurrection.

That's an attempted coup.

By his own actions, by his own words, and as described by his own followers, Donald Trump is the man who led it.

Trump not only needs to be impeached by Congress, he needs to be formally charged for his criminal actions against the United States of America. And likewise those in Congress and state governments who aided and abetted this treason."


Yes, you have to consider what led to this Terrorist coup attempt. It was not only the call to fight on the day by Trump and his cohorts but two months of convincing his supporters that they had been robbed and the election was stolen. Its all led to this, not just on that one day on the 6th of January. Its been a carefully engineered uprising.

You just have to listen to them. Totally radicalised and brainwashed. They really believe despite the monumental evidence to the contrary that they won the election and that is down to Trump.
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Posted: 16 January 2021 7:33 PM
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-16 6:11 PM

CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-16 3:56 PM

“"I thought I was following my president. I thought I was following what we were called to do. He asked us to fly there. So I was doing was he asked us to do.”
-- Jenna Ryan, Texas realtor and Trump supporter, who was arrested yesterday by the FBI for her part in the January 6th failed overthrow of the US government.

It doesn't matter if YOU believe Donald Trump was attempting to incite sedition.

TRUMP'S OWN FOLLOWERS BELIEVED THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

Every single one of those arrested for the Jan 6th insurrection said the same thing: they stormed the Capitol Building specifically because Donald Trump TOLD THEM TO, because he told them the election was stolen, and because he told them to "fight like hell" to overturn the election. They came waving not the flag of America, but TRUMP flags alongside those of Nazis and Confederates -- the banners of hate, of racists and fascists, and the very enemies of freedom and democracy the world over. They came with weapons and ropes and malice aforethought, and they fully intended to kidnap and execute members of congress -- and the Vice President -- solely in order install Donald Trump as president.

That's sedition.

That's insurrection.

That's an attempted coup.

By his own actions, by his own words, and as described by his own followers, Donald Trump is the man who led it.

Trump not only needs to be impeached by Congress, he needs to be formally charged for his criminal actions against the United States of America. And likewise those in Congress and state governments who aided and abetted this treason."


Yes, you have to consider what led to this Terrorist coup attempt. It was not only the call to fight on the day by Trump and his cohorts but two months of convincing his supporters that they had been robbed and the election was stolen. Its all led to this, not just on that one day on the 6th of January. Its been a carefully engineered uprising.

You just have to listen to them. Totally radicalised and brainwashed. They really believe despite the monumental evidence to the contrary that they won the election and that is down to Trump.

So radicalised and brainwashed they believe he's the second coming of Christ, For them he's this Messianic figure whose going to lead them all to salvation. That's why QAnon nutters push this wacko sh1t about Dems being Satinists and Paedophiles etc. I've seen all this fawning adherence before from fundamentalist nutjobs.

Here is another Klepper clip which illustrates this weird servility.....and shows their deranged minds but they're so far gone themselves, they can't see it.

https://tinyurl.com/y5a6bplm
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Posted: 16 January 2021 7:49 PM
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StuartO - 2021-01-16 5:09 PM

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

Gentlemen of Chatterbox, Birdbrain has been resorting to side-tracking and provocative posts and throwing insults left right and centre to keep himself active on this (and other) threads, ignoring the widespread criticism he has faced, as if he was our own pestilent Donald Trump, careless of anyone's views other than his own and determined to bluster his way through. It makes no sense to respond to him any way.

I'm not trying to censor him, simply to discourage him from going OTT and behaving so badly towards others. I suggest everyone simply ignores his posts altogether for a couple of weeks to encourage the penny to drop that he should not be so habitually nasty. If you would like to see what he has been posting browse pages 6 and earlier of the Trump's Last Throw of the Dice thread. Birdbrain has eased off on his insults since them but he's replaced with outraged complaining on a completely spurious basis. As you can see from reading this notice all I'm doing is asking him to tell us he's not going to be so nasty from now on.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and that's a pity because I think they are likely to be giving Birdbrain encouragement but he is pretty much unrepentant so far and is sticking to his ourage about being persecuted, which of course is nonesense. Everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of aggressive posts and offensive, gratuitous insulting of people has been awful.

I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts until he shows us that he will mend his ways. If we all do this for a while he's bound to get the message eventually.


You are an embarrassment
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Posted: 16 January 2021 8:33 PM
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Trump on Biden, God and Guns.

Trump promised "to protect Christianity" and for many supporters his campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" could have been synonymous with "Make America Christian Again".

At a rally in Ohio last year he warned a Biden presidency would mean "no religion, no anything".

"Hurt the Bible, hurt God. He's against God, he's against guns," he claimed.


Now i'm no theologian but anyone with a basic understanding of Christianity knows God doesn't advocate guns. The American mindset is certainly screwed up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55578096
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Posted: 16 January 2021 8:52 PM
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One has to wonder if the sisters on here believe those arrested the other day are representative of all POTUS Trump supporters ???
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Posted: 17 January 2021 8:27 AM
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Well this one certainly believes that Trump told her to invade the Capitol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2021/jan/16/i-feel-wronged-us-capitol-rioter-asks-donald-trump-for-pardon-video?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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Posted: 17 January 2021 9:12 AM
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If you look at my two previous posts above you will see that there were several other groups involved. Whether the are actually Trump supporters or not....who knows. If you wear a MAGA cap and are in a like minded group one can assume they are.
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Posted: 17 January 2021 9:34 AM
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jumpstart - 2021-01-17 9:12 AM

If you look at my two previous posts above you will see that there were several other groups involved. Whether the are actually Trump supporters or not....who knows. If you wear a MAGA cap and are in a like minded group one can assume they are.


This one most definitely is not a POTUS Trump supporter ... Sullivan is a BLM thug ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13749423/black-lives-matter-activist-john-sullivan-charged/ ... One can only assume that like others there he was egging on Trump supporters which even if true is no defence of those involved in the riot ... Stuart ???

Edited by Birdbrain 2021-01-17 9:34 AM
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CurtainRaiser - 2021-01-17 8:27 AM

Well this one certainly believes that Trump told her to invade the Capitol

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2021/jan/16/i-feel-wronged-us-capitol-rioter-asks-donald-trump-for-pardon-video?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


Have to say that its a little rich of one like yaself to take the moral high ground over others when only yesterday you seemed to be inciting others on here to blow me up in a terrorist attack ... Stuart ???
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Posted: 17 January 2021 9:38 AM
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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

I'm sorry to have to persist with these notices but they are having a useful effect so please stick with me in this. Birdbrain is at least holding back on his insults to others on here (except that he's made me his new target of course, with silly, spurious personal challenges) so please be patient. Chatterbox is not moderated so if we ever want to discourage someone like Birdbrain from behaving like Mr Nasty, this is probably the only way to do it.

Birdbrain likes be outrageous - nothing necessarily wrong with that but he also does it with completely unnecessary nastiness by habitually showering others with personalised insults. Here's an example of how one contributor has described Birdbrain's methods: "The derogatory effeminate insults he uses as 'put downs' against any fm's not on his mates list, 'princess', 'sweet cheeks', 'the sisters', 'haters' etc are very juvenile. His personal snipes against me ("microwave meal for one again") refer to my living alone which appears to amuse him. Quite why he does this i've no idea as plenty of people live alone, but what on earth his peculiar obsession with my grandchildren is all about God alone knows and bringing an fm's grandchildren into forum discussions for no valid reason absolutely crosses the line." Another another example: " Its not nice to call people Fatty, Hater and Loser though Mr Birdbrain. I have to say thats very naughty." Everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of aggressive posts and offensive, gratuitous insulting of people has been really awful.

So that's why I started posting these suggestions that we simply cut off any responses to Birdbrain until he show's us that he is going to behave better. I'm not trying to censor him or discourage his outspokenness, simply to discourage him from behaving so nastily towards others. Since I started this campaign Birdbrain has actually stopped his habitual insults to anyone who argues with him more or less completely - although of course he has started making me his new target instead and he's trying to maintain an impression that he's not going to change. But he is clearly showing that he's rattled and frustrated, so this campaign of not responding to him and me posting these notices repetitively is working.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and that's a pity because I think they are likely to be giving Birdbrain the oxygen of attention which he craves. Chatterbox contributors are perhaps not natural team players but in this sort of case I suggest that we should stick together and stay with it. I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts, as I have done, until he shows us that he will mend his ways. If we all do this for a while he's bound to get the message eventually. It shouldn't take all that long.
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Posted: 17 January 2021 9:47 AM
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Birdbrain - 2021-01-16 8:52 PM

One has to wonder if the sisters on here believe those arrested the other day are representative of all POTUS Trump supporters ???


No but its still a fact that Trumps actions have convinced the majority of Republican voters that the election was stolen and that along with his rhetoric is what led to the storming of the Capitol. I suspect he knew there was little chance of overturning the election result but he clearly set out to damage Biden's presidency and ultimately his own country by fabricating a raft of lies and nonsense that has now torn the USA apart. It truly is criminal what he has done.
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Posted: 17 January 2021 5:19 PM
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PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO BIRDBRAIN'S POSTS

I'm sorry to have to persist with these notices but they are having a useful effect so please stick with me in this. Birdbrain is at least holding back on his insults to others on here (except that he's made me his new target of course, with silly, spurious personal challenges) so please be patient. Chatterbox is not moderated so if we ever want to discourage someone like Birdbrain from behaving like Mr Nasty, this is probably the only way to do it.

Birdbrain likes be outrageous - nothing necessarily wrong with that but he also does it with completely unnecessary nastiness by habitually showering others with personalised insults. Here's an example of how one contributor has described Birdbrain's methods: "The derogatory effeminate insults he uses as 'put downs' against any fm's not on his mates list, 'princess', 'sweet cheeks', 'the sisters', 'haters' etc are very juvenile. His personal snipes against me ("microwave meal for one again") refer to my living alone which appears to amuse him. Quite why he does this i've no idea as plenty of people live alone, but what on earth his peculiar obsession with my grandchildren is all about God alone knows and bringing an fm's grandchildren into forum discussions for no valid reason absolutely crosses the line." Another another example: " Its not nice to call people Fatty, Hater and Loser though Mr Birdbrain. I have to say thats very naughty." Everyone seems to agree that Birdbrain's habit of aggressive posts and offensive, gratuitous insulting of people has been really awful.

So that's why I started posting these suggestions that we simply cut off any responses to Birdbrain until he show's us that he is going to behave better. I'm not trying to censor him or discourage his outspokenness, simply to discourage him from behaving so nastily towards others. Since I started this campaign Birdbrain has actually stopped his habitual insults to anyone who argues with him more or less completely - although of course he has started making me his new target instead and he's trying to maintain an impression that he's not going to change. But he is clearly showing that he's rattled and frustrated, so this campaign of not responding to him and me posting these notices repetitively is working.

A few regular contributors have chosen to continue responding to Birdbrain and that's a pity because I think they are likely to be giving Birdbrain the oxygen of attention which he craves. Chatterbox contributors are perhaps not natural team players but in this sort of case I suggest that we should stick together and stay with it. I would therefore ask everyone to consider simply ignoring Birdbrain's posts, as I have done, until he shows us that he will mend his ways. If we all do this for a while he's bound to get the message eventually. It shouldn't take all that long.
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Barryd999 - 2021-01-17 9:47 AM

Birdbrain - 2021-01-16 8:52 PM

One has to wonder if the sisters on here believe those arrested the other day are representative of all POTUS Trump supporters ???


No but its still a fact that Trumps actions have convinced the majority of Republican voters that the election was stolen and that along with his rhetoric is what led to the storming of the Capitol. I suspect he knew there was little chance of overturning the election result but he clearly set out to damage Biden's presidency and ultimately his own country by fabricating a raft of lies and nonsense that has now torn the USA apart. It truly is criminal what he has done.


"that has now torn the USA apart" ... Chuckle ... In typical Bray style he ignores the vandalism, violence, theft, robbery, rape, murder , cop killing etc etc thats taken place this year because of those he finds funny
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Posted: 17 January 2021 7:22 PM
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Blimey.

There will be more US troops in DC for Biden's inauguration than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, a stark reminder of the danger of homegrown extremism

The US military will have a larger footprint in the nation's capital by this weekend than the total number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

There will be up to 25,000 National Guard troops in Washington, DC, for President-elect Joe Biden's January 20 inauguration. Comparatively, as of January 15 there were roughly 2,500 US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq respectively (about 5,000 total).

https://tinyurl.com/y4u74mej
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Posted: 17 January 2021 7:31 PM
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Bulletguy - 2021-01-17 7:22 PM


Blimey.

There will be more US troops in DC for Biden's inauguration than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, a stark reminder of the danger of homegrown extremism

The US military will have a larger footprint in the nation's capital by this weekend than the total number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

There will be up to 25,000 National Guard troops in Washington, DC, for President-elect Joe Biden's January 20 inauguration. Comparatively, as of January 15 there were roughly 2,500 US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq respectively (about 5,000 total).

https://tinyurl.com/y4u74mej


They need to build a Wall around DC.
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Posted: 17 January 2021 7:42 PM
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jumpstart - 2021-01-17 7:31 PM

Bulletguy - 2021-01-17 7:22 PM


Blimey.

There will be more US troops in DC for Biden's inauguration than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, a stark reminder of the danger of homegrown extremism

The US military will have a larger footprint in the nation's capital by this weekend than the total number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

There will be up to 25,000 National Guard troops in Washington, DC, for President-elect Joe Biden's January 20 inauguration. Comparatively, as of January 15 there were roughly 2,500 US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq respectively (about 5,000 total).

https://tinyurl.com/y4u74mej


They need to build a Wall around DC.

All roads and metro stations within a radius of the WH are being shut down.



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Posted: 17 January 2021 7:57 PM
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... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDryrRYxpeY ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGUCq5fpMGo ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJS64GsbSSs ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G74kGE0iWgI ... Acceptable 4 years ago ... Hypocrisy lives ... Stu ???
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Posted: 17 January 2021 8:17 PM
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Didn't see anyone there in bullet proof vests,helmets and carrying weapons.
There should have been a bigger police presence at the capital.
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