Guest Tracker Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Are we the only ones who find the idea of 'compulsory' fixed wristbands at Warner's shows not only uncomfortable but insulting, demeaning and displaying a meanness of spirit that simply does not become the spirit of the show or of the show organisers? We do not get this treatment at Stone Leisure shows, and as a means of preventing fraudulent entry it simply does not work. It is just as easy to give someone else the wristband - should one be so inclined - as it is any other type of 'pass'. There are always 'unguarded' points of entry at every show and we saw a few at Pickering that the determined interloper could have easily used, but I have to ask in all reality just how many 'unauthorised' entrants are there likely to be and how much revenue is lost by this method of entry when compared to the cost of staffing and checking each entrance point? Add in the cost of producing the bands and I have to say that in my view the money could have been better spent on other aspects - or not even spent at all - thus increasing profits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatterdog Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I dont put mine on now - i carry it with me instead. found the things uncomfortable and irritating to wear, especially when washing be it dishes or self It was nice meeting you and Dot on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Not been to any of these 'ere shows - I thought wristbands were only used at festivals etc, where the admission charge was the only source of revenue. I've always felt that having to pay a hefty entrance fee to get into shows like this is a rip-off. After all, in effect it's a big shopping centre, whose only purpose is getting you to spend money - so why do customers have to pay for that privilege? You don't pay to get into Lakeside, Trafford Centre, Metro Centre or Bluewater! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 They used them at the Land Rover Show at Billing that I go to in 2007, I found them no bother but they did not use them this year. They used an ink stamp that lasted about an hour! As for paying to get into these shows - it puts me off most certainly. Especially as the days of the "show specials" have long gone. Now you can better deals on the net by going direct and have the stuff delivered to your door. Certainly a lot of the stands at the Land Rover show have pulled out because it costs them an arm and a leg to have a pitch, they have to pay their staff overtime when they could stay at home and still trade via the www. Many I spoke to said the shows just are not worth it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I concur. Speaking to the gentleman at 'Autoglym', he told me that a 6m pitch was now costing him almost £1000 and would most probably not be attending these shows again. Bit of a shame this as the smaller exhibitors and stalls are as of much interest as the dealers showing their vans, and their loss will surely affect attendances in the future. As for wristbands, well I could'nt care less either way, and at least it helps the organisers identify those who have paid and those who might take advantage of 'unguarded points of entry'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tony Jones - 2008-09-22 5:15 PM Not been to any of these 'ere shows - I thought wristbands were only used at festivals etc, where the admission charge was the only source of revenue. I've always felt that having to pay a hefty entrance fee to get into shows like this is a rip-off. After all, in effect it's a big shopping centre, whose only purpose is getting you to spend money - so why do customers have to pay for that privilege? You don't pay to get into Lakeside, Trafford Centre, Metro Centre or Bluewater! My sentment entireley why should we have to pay exorbarant entry prices to Just have a look around what entertainment value is there ?? you expect to pay to see a motor race or an air show but NOT to go shopping its bad enough to have to trapes around looking at these traders selling nothing to do with motorhoming and having to pay for the privilage to do so.. I can think of better things to spend my money on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 As a day visitor I can see no point in them apart from leaving and reentering when a stamp surffices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tony Jones - 2008-09-22 5:15 PM Not been to any of these 'ere shows - I thought wristbands were only used at festivals etc, where the admission charge was the only source of revenue. I've always felt that having to pay a hefty entrance fee to get into shows like this is a rip-off. After all, in effect it's a big shopping centre, whose only purpose is getting you to spend money - so why do customers have to pay for that privilege? You don't pay to get into Lakeside, Trafford Centre, Metro Centre or Bluewater! But to be fair to the organisers of the shows Tony, can you think of any permanent " shopping mall" where all the exhibitors / shops are motorhome related ? ( I can't ) I assume that if the organisers charged all the exhibitors so much that they didn't need to charge an entrance fee ( to recover their costs) no exhibitors would turn up. As for the level of the entrance fee .... well that's debatable. ...and wristbands ? I'm not really bothered,( but my wifes hates them !) :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggyd Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 No I agree with Tony :-D it is a rip off! the exhibiters should have to pay as any stallholder does! but to pay to get in to spend money is not on and Im afraid Im not that desperate to buy things that are probably cheaper elswhere anyway, they would probably get more people turning up and getting interested in M.H. if they dropped the entrance charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 My daughters boyfriends uncle ............is the biggest leather maker of the flying jackets and racing car rally drivers in fact anything leather they make . He often goes to all the shows Goodwood Ducksford Airfield 1500 a shot now I know these things cost money but bloody hell that really expensive to sell your wears . Bet Simple Simons glad he dead :D Keep your rist bands they only upset Rosie she cant work out why its there and rips it off thats after getting upset over it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Your daughters boyfriends uncle. Does he make leather ristbands as well. :-> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usinmyknaus Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Steady on Howie, if you keep linking the words "Michele" and "leather" in your thoughts you might set off your palpitations again. :-) As for wristbands, I agree they are an irritant. I stick them in a pocket and produce them only on demand. I would not go to a motorhome show unless I was in the market for a replacement van and then I would try to obtain a complimentary ticket (worked a treat last time.) My innate sense of Northern thrift baulks at the concept of paying to shop. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Tracker - 2008-09-22 2:27 PM Are we the only ones who find the idea of 'compulsory' fixed wristbands at Warner's shows not only uncomfortable but insulting, demeaning and displaying a meanness of spirit that simply does not become the spirit of the show or of the show organisers? We do not get this treatment at Stone Leisure shows, and as a means of preventing fraudulent entry it simply does not work. It is just as easy to give someone else the wristband - should one be so inclined - as it is any other type of 'pass'. There are always 'unguarded' points of entry at every show and we saw a few at Pickering that the determined interloper could have easily used, but I have to ask in all reality just how many 'unauthorised' entrants are there likely to be and how much revenue is lost by this method of entry when compared to the cost of staffing and checking each entrance point? Add in the cost of producing the bands and I have to say that in my view the money could have been better spent on other aspects - or not even spent at all - thus increasing profits? Completely agree with you Tracker, I complained to Warners about the adoption of them for Peterboro show last year (2007) and the year before (2006) after an exchange of words with a door jobsworth who refused to allow us in as we were not wearing the wristbands and only holding them, but I was told that I was the only one 'moaning' their words not mine so they would not be altering their policy. Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryowlgirl Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I prefer wrist bands to being stamped on the hand (branded like cattle), I pop mine on loose and push it part way up my arm when out in the arena. When I come out of the arena or venue I take it off. Whatever organisers do you will always find those who are determined to get in without paying will find a way to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinou Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I agree about the wristbands at shows BUT our worst experience of these awful things was on holiday - the last site we stayed on in Tuscany - 1 mile from the Med. and 11 miles from Pisa - insisted all of their guests were "labelled" with a bright yellow, decorated with little blue stars, wristband on first entrance and at all times whilst their "guests". Apparently it was to stop people booking in and paying for 2 people and "hiding" more in their vans 8-) Also, to stop people not entitled to using their very small swimming pool etc. We realised how ludicrous it was whilst eating lunch in Lucca in a very smart restaurant and seeing we were still "labelled" >:-( As the same site charged for use of the pool at weekends, only had one temperature for all their water, be it for showers, washing up or washing, and also charged for very short showers, not to mention covering the camping ground with sand - with the usual ants etc. - and being the only site we have ever stayed at that charged for the towed car ($5 per night) we won't be going back there. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstrel Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 What's the name of the camp site in Tuscany Name and Shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymer C 9. Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 maryowlgirl - 2008-09-23 11:34 AM I prefer wrist bands to being stamped on the hand (branded like cattle), I pop mine on loose and push it part way up my arm when out in the arena. When I come out of the arena or venue I take it off. Whatever organisers do you will always find those who are determined to get in without paying will find a way to do so. Mary I do exactly the same as you just use it like a bracelet take it off when I come out of the show so no problem. Carol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 When we went we didnt get the option he put it tight on our rist ! I blame you Rich you started all thsi confusion its all your fault 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 michele - 2008-09-23 9:25 PM When we went we didnt get the option he put it tight on our rist ! I blame you Rich you started all thsi confusion its all your fault 8-) This is true Michele - everything else is my fault too I suppose - oh well such is life - we all have our cross to bear - even poor Dot has me to contend with - and she never hurt anyone - there's no justice is there? If anyone tried to put a wristband on me they would get a very short two word reply suggesting they combine sex and travel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Tracker - 2008-09-23 9:47 PM If anyone tried to put a wristband on me they would get a very short two word reply suggesting they combine sex and travel!! You don't mean 'go and make love elsewhere' do you? :-D :-D :-D Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tracker Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Basil - 2008-09-23 9:58 PM Tracker - 2008-09-23 9:47 PM If anyone tried to put a wristband on me they would get a very short two word reply suggesting they combine sex and travel!! You don't mean 'go and make love elsewhere' do you? :-D :-D :-D Bas Yes Basil - or similar words to that effect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJH Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Just to pick up on the point of entrance charges to any temporary selling event (show or fair, call it what you will). We have been to car boot sales, craft fairs, motorhome shows, computer fairs, antique fairs, book fairs, family history fairs - and exhibit at the latter. The promoters have to pay to hire the venue, staff & other items and recoup their costs (and make a profit) by charging fees to exhibitors and those who visit to look around/buy. It is a balancing act between charging each enough to do so and not charging so much that they discourage either exhibitors or customers. From the exhibitor point of view, we have stopped going to some family history fairs because we don't make enough to justify the cost/labour. Organisers tell us that they have to charge so much to traders because of the venue costs. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Wristbands - they were put on as soon as we went int othe show by a young chap who looked very fed up and we were only about 30th in line ... goodness knows what mood he was in when he'd got through the whole queue! They are a bit of a nuisance but at least they are not easy to loose and don't wash off like stamps can (or mark clothing). I think they are 'sponsored' by Lowdhams so Warners don't pay for them but obviously they pay for the staff etc to put them on .... must be a better way of doing it especially since the official ceremony of 'putting on the wristband' caused delays at the entrance. As for paying for going in ... I agree the cost is getting a bit high if you pay the full price, but we use the discount vouchers you get in the mags (the Caravan Club one got us both in for £10), however, the cost of hiring venues now is high, not to mention the staffing etc, having to meet health & safety regs, insurance, etc, etc. We often go to car boots and even at these you often pay between 20p and £1 to get in, if it's not a bad one, we don't mind paying, if it's not good we simply don't go again. We're in two minds whether to go to the NEC show, with the cost of the tickets each at £14 on the door for one day (£12 in advance I think, plus a 2 day one at £16), add this to the cost of fuel of around £65 (270 mile round trip for us) and stopping somewhere overnight (assuming you don't go 'wild' - no way would I stay on the site at £25 a night!!!!), it gets quite pricey, especially if that's all you're going there for and just go in for one day. £65 fuel + £28 tickets = £83 is a lot to pay for a quick one day visit ... and that's before you've actually paid for your meals or camping or ... heaven forbid ... bought anything at the show itself! 8-) (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omidknight Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I have always found them more comfortable than handcuffs, :$ but not as enjoyable ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Our favourite site in Italy "Fornella" introduced them this year......they are having real problems with non paying guests from nearby less well equipped campsites using the facilities. A necessary evil in some cases I’m afraid. But for shows no way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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