locovan Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Have you seen this Have you seen the new propsals for Road tax VED coming into force Jan 2009 Showroom Tax of £950.00 and Up to £450.00 Road Tax so when a vehicle is new that's what you are going to pay £1400 road tax and then when you buy Secondhand this is a retrospective charge to all vehicles registered on or after 2001 Vehicles registered prior to 2001 will remain on the old VED tax rate Cant they just leave us alone. >:-) >:-) >:-) :$ >:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Heavens above, where did you see these details? My van was registered Feb 2001 so I need to see if I will be affected. If so, France here I come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Madge Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Patricia - 2008-10-20 10:44 AM Heavens above, where did you see these details? My van was registered Feb 2001 so I need to see if I will be affected. If so, France here I come! Patrica, Don't panic have a look at http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/motorhome-road-tax.shtml I wish people would post chapter and verse when they post these things. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyatketton Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Thanks for the link Don. I earlier this morning read the same posting on another site, which caused me some panic. Cheers Sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Thanks very much for the link Don - that makes me feel much happier. Patricia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Sorry was I being alarmist but we were looking at this http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=231720 This is the new band of tax but we found the other article talking about a Showroom Tax (like a Purchase tax ) that is coming in Jan 2009 I know it is a one of Payment at purchase but every time you buy a Secondhand vehicle you will pay this Tax. The backbenchers are supposed to be in revolt against it There is another write up here as well http://www.inloughborough.com/news/2008/06/11213_nicky.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randonneur Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 locovan - 2008-10-20 6:23 PM Sorry was I being alarmist but we were looking at this http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=231720 This is the new band of tax but we found the other article talking about a Showroom Tax (like a Purchase tax ) that is coming in Jan 2009 I know it is a one of Payment at purchase but every time you buy a Secondhand vehicle you will pay this Tax. The backbenchers are supposed to be in revolt against it There is another write up here as well http://www.inloughborough.com/news/2008/06/11213_nicky.php If you read it properly it states that it is: Introducing a new first-year rate of £950 for new, high CO2-emitting cars New vehicles only not secondhand vehciles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 None of this applies to motorhomes. Virtually all motorhomes are placed in the PLG taxation class ( or PHGV if over 3500kg MAM) so the amount of VED payable is not dependent on the CO2 emissions. Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Thanks for putting me right only they talked about Vehicles so I thought it was all new vehicles. To be honest there is so much going on with rules for this and tax's for that I cant keep track of it all They seem to think we have a bottomless pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klyne Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Now I appreciate my view won't get many supporters here but it does seem rather silly that cars and what are essentially vans (which form the base vehicles for most motorhomes) are taxed differently when they can produce the same amount of polution/emissions. I am not suggesting motorhome tax should be put up to equal that of cars but all vehicles, including light vans should be taxed the same regardless of the use they are put to. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hi, sorry to be a kill joy but there are going to big tax changes within the EU re cars and motorhomes etc. In germany they are having a new green tax depending on weigh of motorhome, this is on top of their road tax which is 15 euros per 100cc engine size. In france they are bring back road tax, on all motors producing over 250g imissions. and there is talk off this going to be across the whole car/motorhome bands in the coming years. At present there is no road tax in france. In Italy they are bring in on the spot finds for any cars etc older then 1997 of 800 euros if found to be producing over the stated CO2 readings. I don,t no about the UK, but lets get real if they can make more and bigger taxes they will for sure. After all its not them its the eu AND its green so must be good. michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 This is getting out of hand!!!! If they are so adament that cars should be off the road why dont they stop importing and close all showrooms and ban the sale of all vehicles until they produce Electric ones. NO!!! because Its your money they are after. Money like oil will run out soon. 8-) *-) :-o :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 terry1956 - 2008-10-21 5:08 PM In germany they are having a new green tax depending on weigh of motorhome In france they are bring back road tax, on all motors producing over 250g imissions. and there is talk off this going to be across the whole car/motorhome bands in the coming years. In Italy they are bring in on the spot finds for any cars etc older then 1997 of 800 euros if found to be producing over the stated CO2 readings. Do you have references for these statements? Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi in answer to the above, yes. I have a house in france and my hymer is on france plates, and so is my 4x4. so it was with interest that I read the report of the latest action being taken in france re road tax. If you go into any French car/motorhome sale room, more so with cars they will all point out what car is going to be taxed and which are not. As I stated this is at the moment based on the CO2being at or higher then 250g, But the french MOT made a big mistake with paying for a discount on smaller cars and the take up was to high so they are looking at a further tax at a lower CO2 band to cover the cost of the discounts. I read a newpaper in Italy when there, and the full details of on the spot finds etc was in the paper. If you wish to know more, maybe google up new road fines etc, there was also a bit on this on the Italian motorhomes forum.camperonline.it The german taxes I found out about from a german motorhome mag, which should be about, anyway I am sure details fo this will be on any germany motorhome forum. michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I would prefer to see the official announcements - does anyone have sources? In the UK the majority of motorhomes are classified in the PLG or PHGV categories, and no account is taken of CO2 emissions. As far as I know there are no plans to change this, even for Type Approved motorhomes where the CO2 figures are recorded on the V5C. Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Andy C: The present position is that any UK-registered vehicle described on its registration certificate as being a "Motorcaravan" should fall (without exception) either into the PLG or PHGV class for VED purposes. This will continue to be the case until at least 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 re the France and Italian taxes, just google for the details. easy. I have also seen that on my UK V5 the details of 3 gases are given, of what interest would be to the normal car driver I don,t know. Whats in the pipe line that these fools in power have signed up to I also don,t know. But I bet it will cost us all deal for sure michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 Is this the same thing http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/motorhome-road-tax.shtml It is becoming a minefield trying to find what applies or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Derek Uzzell - 2008-10-22 7:04 PM Andy C: The present position is that any UK-registered vehicle described on its registration certificate as being a "Motorcaravan" should fall (without exception) either into the PLG or PHGV class for VED purposes. This will continue to be the case until at least 2012. Not quite 'without exception' I think. In the case of a type approved N1 or M1 vehicle which was converted into a motor caravan after being registered, the taxation class will be Light goods vehicle (TC39) or Diesel Car (TC49)/Petrol Car (TC48) respectively. This classification will not be altered after conversion. Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 N1 is how the Base unit is registered and when it has been converted to a Motor Home it should then be reregistered to M1 as a leisure vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 We are getting a bit bogged down here :) N1 is the Type Approval category for light goods vehicles, so if, say, a new Ducato van is placed on the market it will be declared as Category N1 and registered in the light goods vehicle taxation class. If, however, a motorhome manufacturer buys a new Ducato van before it is placed on the market, then converts it to a motorhome and places it on the market, it will be declared as M1 (Special Purpose), with the body type recorded as 'Motor Caravan' and registered in the PLG taxation class. What confuses things is when, say, a small volume converter buys a new van that has already been registered, and then converts it. In that case there will be no change to the Type Approval category or the taxation class. At least that's my understanding of how it works. Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Andy C: Unsurprisingly - as money is involved - motorhome VED classification has received plenty of forum attention in the past. Rather than repeatedly go over old ground, I suggest you read through the following earlier thread that, I believe, addresses many of the points made here. http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=12699&posts=29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_C Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Derek, yes I suspected that it would have been discussed before, thanks for pointing me to the thread. Thanks also for the link to my website and kindly describing my page on motorhome road tax as 'very concisely describing the position' :) Andy_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locovan Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Thanks for the Links they make interesting reading. Sorry I hadnt seen the previous thread it all explains the situation very well. *-) mavis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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