maggyd Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What Id like to know is How do these idiots get the jobs in the first place?and how can anyone justify paying someone 6 million pounds for sitting on there backsides making stupid remarks about innocent people that cant answer back!! Well the public have answered for them this time and I hope the trend continues. Have you noticed how there is a certain set of people that manage to get these jobs and it spreads through their family its nepotism gone mad especially in the beeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 BGD - 2008-10-30 10:44 PM 3. Jonathan Ross. Listening to the FULL programme, and reading the FULL transcript it seems clear to me that Ross actually realised quickly that things had gone way too far, and then sought several times to stop Brand going further (unsuccesfully). In partial mitigation, Ross had at least, days BEFORE the press furore broke, already telephoned Sachs to make a full personal apology; then also visited Sachs alone in person, took flowers, and apologised in person, and via letter handed by him persoanlly to Sachs. In my judgement, 3 months unpaid suspension AND a Final Written Warning that any other breach of contractual obligations to adhere to BBC standards of decency will lead to instant dismissal, is an appropriate punishment. Had he been the main perpetrator in the programme, and had he not have quickly done all the atonement actions that he could, of his own volition, even before the media storm broke, I would have supported his dismissal. BDG - You have obviously gained further insight into this affair than I have and if as you say Ross made some attempts to apologise personally before the media storm then that goes some way in his favour. However, surely there was quite a time gap between the programme being aired and the delivery of the apology? One further comment: I was very surprised to learn that David Attenborough was due to go on JR's show tonight. I would have thought he was much too decent to entertain appearing with such a crude "presenter". I have only ever inadvertently heard brief snatches of his show and invariably overheard unpleasant language or worse. If he is portrayed as "the star presenter" of the BBC (as has been reported frequently this week) and deserving of such a high salary then there are vast numbers of under-paid performers who could outshine him any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Hymer C 9. - 2008-10-30 6:31 PM Just heard the news that Jonathan Ross has been suspended without pay for the next 12 weeks and Russell Brand has resigned do you think this is the right decision. Carol. Couldn't have happened to two nicer people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Not bothered what happens to them either way. Know nothing of Brand, and Ross passed his sell by date a long time ago, but previous comments re. the present 'credit crunch' could well be the reason there's been such a backlash at their crude and offensive treatment of Andrew Sachs and family. At a time when most are tightening their belts, we have this pair being paid vast amounts of public money with very limited talent value in return, and rather than the BBC once again pleading for further increases in funding they should follow the example of the independent broadcasters who have started to refuse such financial rewards for these so called 'celebrities'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 peter - 2008-10-30 9:11 PM davenewell@home - 2008-10-30 8:46 PM colin - 2008-10-30 8:11 PM The story has been blown out of all proportion, they should not have done what they did AS apparently would have been happy to get an apology and was told that segment wouldn't be broadcast, they should have had proboly some writen warning. Now papers etc have taken the little publisised segment and rammed it down everyones throat further humiliating AS, it's been main news headline for too long now, the 'good' thing about it was we didn't get expected news headline of a little snow bringing country to a halt, and further gloom and doom about the economy Except for the fact that AS had said he did NOT want it airing but the good old BBC went ahead anyway and aired it! JR and RB are a pair of overpaid morons IMHO and it won't really hurt them one iota if they have to find alternative employment. Whether or not it was aired doesn't alter the fact that it was extremely offensive to the parties concerned. No I didn't hear it broadcast, I found more humour in my haemorrhoids than I ever have done in RB and JR isn't far behind him in the lack of talent stakes, but I have heard the details of what they left on his answering machine and I find their behaviour deplorable. D. As for the Beeb being left wing, well I'd say read Johnnie Walker's autobiography for an alternative view point! D.Sorry to learn you've got Haemorrhoids Dave my biddy. I hopes they clears up soon. I hears a good old Vindaloo is the best remedy. Keeps you regular without all the straining my biddy. (lol) Should have known you'd pick up on that Pete, mind you it does show someone reads my posts ;-) . anyway I don't have them anymore, I had 'em chopped off several years back but thanks for your concern :D . D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymer C 9. Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Sorry to go off thread, but has anyone else noticed that Gordon Ramsey and even Jamie Oliver are loosing ratings, perhaps at last its showing that the public don't wish to have bad language foisted on them in the name of entertainment. One good thing that could come out of the JR RB saga is more genuine humor and less smut for the sake of it on our TVs. Carol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkmoy Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Comedy evolves by pushing boundaries and an awful lot of dross is created in this process but usually something worthwhile evolves. Ross and co are part of this process, albeit the dross phase IMO. The younger generation may have a different viewpoint and it is pointless trying to impose our standards on them. Each generation pushes the boundaries of those that preceeded it, usually to the disgust of the earlier one. Look at how many unmarried couples now live together and have children when not that long ago pregnancy outside marriage was a shameful sin and condemned by society at large. I do not in any way condone what they did although I was more outraged about the slur on Andrew Sach's grandaughter until I read a little of her history. However I think Peter has hit the nail on the head. This was a recorded programme. What editor in their right mind decided it was suitable for broadcast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza454 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Interesting slant on the saga -http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23580594-details/The+thing+about+Ross+is+-+he's+just+very+funny/article.do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohgrandma Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Jonathan Ross, Has now stepped down from presenting the ITV Comedy Awards, Great it will be more enjoyable, Ria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohgrandma Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Sorry All. That should read British Comedy Awards for ITV Ria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Some people on the BBC " Have your Say " website ( Ross and Brand supporters) have been complaining that with the financial situation as it is, we should have better things to do than complain about these two. So I put forward the following solution to the BBC where everbody wins: 1) Ross is allowed back after his suspension. 2) The licence fee is frozen until the end of Ross's contract - or 3 years MINIMUM. This would mean that the BBC and the fans would get their idol back and the hard pressed public could get some tax relief. In addition, the BBC would think more carefully in future about how they spend our money. So, everybody wins. :-| :-| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick H. Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Havn't heard the program so dont know what it is.Do know that it seems they got very offensive,which isn't acceptable and should have been dealt with more harshly in this case. But have to put my hand up and say that I find a lot of the time Jonathan Ross to be very funny.Have to be honest though never heard of the other guy. Mick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J9withdogs Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I find JR very tedious. On his chat show he asks his guests a question, but doesn't give them time to answer. He seems to like the sound of his own voice too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Interesting all of this. My take on this is: Russell Brand - untalented - gets away with it because people think he's 'funny' ... yes he is, not funny ha-ha, funny peculiar! There are odd occasions when I've seen him on the telly and though the odd verbal contribution was funny, but on the whole he's just insulting and boring. Jonathan Ross - talented - he comes up with some really funny stuff and as has already been mentioned, much of this seems to be 'ad-libbed', however, he can be very crude and go way over the top. He seems to get too embroiled in what he's saying rather than what his guests might have to say, this is especially apparent when I've seen him on odd occasions doing his evening show and heard him doing the Saturday morning Radio 2 show which can, at times, get extremely boring! Even on Film 200..... he sometimes gets too full of his own importance, in that he tries to outshine the films he's commenting on. On the whole, I like Jonathan Ross's style, however, some of his so-called funny comments are way too over the top and crude. As for the subsequent actions of the pair and the BBC, Brand basically hasn't lost anything, just got aload of free advertising so I don't think he's going to be bothered at all. Ross, however, has been hit where it really hurts, and hurt it will, he's got used to a lifestyle which costs money and not having the pay-cheque from the BBC for 3 months will hurt as he'll have to fund his lifestyle from other means. With the final warning he's been given he has obvioulsy been on warnings before and not heeded them, now he might realise that there are some things you just cannot do and expect to get away with. I hope after all this he comes back and carries on with more of the 'funny' stuff and less of the crude stuff. The comments were bad enough but targeting specific people like they did was totally abhorent - I wonder how Ross would have felt if the comments were aimed and him and his family instead of Andrew Sachs and his grand-daughter. What I don't understand, though, is if Jonathan Ross knew it had gone too far when the recording was done, why didn't he do something to alert the BBC to the fact and ensure that the programme didn't go out?????? There was time to do this so was he just hoping that it wouldn't get that much of an airing??? Whatever, he was very foolish indeed and obviously is paying the price, literally, for it. Now ... be honest ... who likes Billy Connolly????? With all his 'f*ing' swearing ... yes he does it a lot, but to me he's not smutty or crude, he just tells it as it is without unneccessary embellishment and without offending specific people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I love Billy Connolly, one of my all time favourite comedians and no, his swearing doesn't bother me in the slightest. JR and RB being crude and using bad language didn't bother me (not that I've ever watched or listened to RB for more than 60 seconds). Bad language doesn't bother me especially unless its in an obviously wrong situation Billy Connolly doing his stand up routine on CBEEBIES for example would be very wrong). I listen to Radio 2 and JR on Saturday mornings had become boring as he was too full of his own self importance, I always preferred the Saturdays when he was away and Mark Lamar and Jo Brand sat in for him, now they are entertaining! The good news is that Richard Allinson is sitting in for JR tomorrow, we don't hear enough of him on R2. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The reason I stopped watching Ross was several years ago when he took over the film review programme. To listen to him crawling all over film directors and stars was just too much to take. O.K, so I stopped watching, but I am still required to contribute to his absurd salary, which I am sure could be better spent. :-( :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Definately a weak management decision by the BBC, IMHO. These overpaid arrogant pompous p**ts, think they are above everything & rules are only there to be broken. The only decent thing to come out of this is Brand resigning. Ross should have done the honourable thing & gone, (although with his arrogance, I could never see that happening) It would save Licence payers (you & me) a lot of money. He does not have the decency to apologise to his boss, who has taken the can for his behaviour. It's is not OK for the BBC to say,that he command such a high salary because he attracts the younger listener. Very few of them are actual Licence payers. IMO the only reason he hasn't resigned is because he knows he is on a monetory winner and there is little chance another Channel paying anything like his £18m for 3 years in the current economic climate. Especially with advertising revenues declining for commercial channels. I note the posting regarding he has pulled out of an ITV show, should thse so called entertainers be allowed to host shows on other channels when they are contracted to the BBC. His arrogant attitude has been displayed even further tonight with the continuation of the Halloween party. No more than sticking two fingers up at the licence payers. If he (Ross) don't like my comments, he can whistle. (or try to) As a licence payer, who by definition helps to pay his salary, I demand I have the right to my twopeneth. I don't think we have seen the last of this, hopefully the 12 week suspension is only a stay of job execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicka Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Definately a weak management decision by the BBC, IMHO. These overpaid arrogant pompous p**ts, think they are above everything & rules are only there to be broken. The only decent thing to come out of this is Brand resigning. Ross should have done the honourable thing & gone, (although with his arrogance, I could never see that happening) It would save Licence payers (you & me) a lot of money. He does not have the decency to apologise to his boss, who has taken the can for his behaviour. It's is not OK for the BBC to say,that he command such a high salary because he attracts the younger listener. Very few of them are actual Licence payers. IMO the only reason he hasn't resigned is because he knows he is on a monetory winner and there is little chance another Channel paying anything like his £18m for 3 years in the current economic climate. Especially with advertising revenues declining for commercial channels. I note the posting regarding he has pulled out of an ITV show, should thse so called entertainers be allowed to host shows on other channels when they are contracted to the BBC. His arrogant attitude has been displayed even further tonight with the continuation of the Halloween party. No more than sticking two fingers up at the licence payers. If he (Ross) don't like my comments, he can whistle. (or try to) As a licence payer, who by definition helps to pay his salary, I demand I have the right to my twopeneth. I don't think we have seen the last of this, hopefully the 12 week suspension is only a stay of job execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malc d Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Do you think this will delay his inevitable knighthood ? :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliveH Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Comedy can offend - but usually more by accident or insensitivity. A relevant example here would be Fawlty Towers that offended Spain because Manuel's behaviour was explained by Mrs Fawlty by the words:- "He comes from Barcelona" Funny to us because that comment is so rude and ludicrous - BUT the Spanish thought we were serious. What Ross and Brand did was no accident or simple insensitivity. It was crude. Worse than schoolboy talk. They should both resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 malc d - 2008-11-01 9:29 AM Do you think this will delay his inevitable knighthood ? :-( Loved this comment Malc - made me laugh on a horrible, dull day. How true it could be though, the "inevitable" bit not the "delay". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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