Rocles Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Along with one or two others 8-) our Boxer-based Compass Avantgarde 120 has had the Water Ingress in the engine bay problem. So far, it has had all Recalls done (YLH, and today, YNH). Before talaking it in today, I contacted both Peugeot and the local Dealer regarding my concerns that it was still leaking, and the amount of rust on the Injectors. After some, ahem, assertive conversation with the Dealer, they agreed to look at the Rust and rectify it. This they have done, see pic. They also said "there's a fix that WILL cure it, but you have to pay for it" This turns out to be the wonderfully named Evacuation Pipe. Here's a pic of it in place - http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/9/1064058/DSC00127a.jpg With MUCH protest, I paid for this (36 pounds inc), and to their credit, they fitted it without a Labour charge, and sold it at Trade price. Peugeot themselves, on the other hand, have not got back to me yet. I have been assured that a Customer Relations Manager will contact me by tomorrow afternoon, after I basically said THEY should provide this part Free (as do Fiat) to correct THEIR design fault! I await their response with interest.... Here's a pic of our nice clean Injectors - http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/5/9/1064058/DSC00129a.jpg Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocles Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 Reply to my own post....just had some stern dialogue with a Peugeot Customer Services Manager. I reiterated that I should not have to pay for a design fault...they said "its not a fault, its a characteristic" !!!!!!!!!! :Rofl1: Oh how I laughed. I expressed my displeasure, and told him this alone will stop me buying another Peugeot car (which I have been considering). He then tried to blame the Dealer for charging for the item. What a joke. We shall see if the Pipe works...I have his assurance (!) that it will, and that should it not, they will fit the Engine Cover free of charge. Unbelievable that we all have to go through this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 When my Peugeot was in for the VOSA recall work this water mod was included in the recall work and all work done under warrenty without me having to ask for it to be done and without charge , so there seems to be a bit of a mix up for you somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord lucan Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 HI THERE ALSO HAVE THE SAME PROBELEMS WITH THE WATER LEAKS EVEN AFTER THE MOD SHOWN PS NOT CHARGED, BUT WAS TOLD THAT IF I WANTED A COVER FIITED LIKE THE FAIT MODS I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A FAIT DEALER AND PAY FOR IT MYSELF NOT VERY HAPPY WITH PEUGEOT SERVICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaviation Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 My water catcher has worked like a charm since I had it fitted several months ago (for free) So much so I took the gaffer tape off the central join and let the water run through the gap so the scuttle now drains properly - I have had an engine cover waiting for me to go and buy for a while now but I really no longer feel the need to fit it. Explorer group will send you a strip of graphics tape which has been laser cut to shape and sticks perfectly along the bottom of the windscreen and over the rubber 'seal' - it not only looks very good but it works.... You will need to fit some thick white draught excluder to the under sides of the bonnet to finish the job off, this stops any water getting onto the engine from around the headlight area. A quick squirt of WD40 every few weeks also helps keep everything rust free. All the above works for me and my engine has been dry for months. PS: I can see from that picture that there has been a modification to the steel pipe and fixings that run along the top of the engine, yours show a flexible pipe and much improved supports - Off to the dealer again for me then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocles Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 Thanks for the further info, folks. It would seem you may get EITHER a free Catcher, or a free water cover, but whichever is free, they charge for the other. Ridiculous...I will monitor the situation and see if it leaks now, but still intend to complain further in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 dwaviation - 2008-11-04 8:49 PM My water catcher has worked like a charm since I had it fitted several months ago (for free) So much so I took the gaffer tape off the central join and let the water run through the gap so the scuttle now drains properly - I have had an engine cover waiting for me to go and buy for a while now but I really no longer feel the need to fit it. Explorer group will send you a strip of graphics tape which has been laser cut to shape and sticks perfectly along the bottom of the windscreen and over the rubber 'seal' - it not only looks very good but it works.... You will need to fit some thick white draught excluder to the under sides of the bonnet to finish the job off, this stops any water getting onto the engine from around the headlight area. A quick squirt of WD40 every few weeks also helps keep everything rust free. All the above works for me and my engine has been dry for months. PS: I can see from that picture that there has been a modification to the steel pipe and fixings that run along the top of the engine, yours show a flexible pipe and much improved supports - Off to the dealer again for me then... I have seen the graphics tape you mention fitted to a new Motorhome and looks ok is this supplied by Explora as aftersales or as part of warranty backup and was there a charge or was it free I am currently waiting Explora to give the go ahead on some warranty issue with the gas regulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy mccord Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I have the same problem, Can someone tell me, do i need to contact fiat first or just turn up at a dealer to have this problem fixrd Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanracer Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Rocles - 2008-11-04 11:28 PM Thanks for the further info, folks. It would seem you may get EITHER a free Catcher, or a free water cover, but whichever is free, they charge for the other. Ridiculous...I will monitor the situation and see if it leaks now, but still intend to complain further in writing. I had both items authorised by Peugeot for their dealer to fit FOC. Peugeot customer services told me at the time about 9 months ago that they would be fitting these items for all that ask but Fiat customers would have to pay. The centre water catcher is operation 6 waste drainage pipe dealers have a Peugeot technical bulletin for all the re-calls and up-dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocles Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 andy mccord - 2008-11-05 12:16 PM I have the same problem, Can someone tell me, do i need to contact fiat first or just turn up at a dealer to have this problem fixrd Regards Andy Andy, mine's Peugeot, no experience with Fiat, but in the first instance, I would make your local Fiat dealer aware of the issue. They will probably ask to inspect the vehicle...don't be fobbed off, insist that they do all required recalls, AND remove the rust that will be already on the injectors. Also ensure they order the "Evacuation Pipe", as Peugeot list it, and, if needed, the full engine cover. This is apparently known to dealers as the mysteriously named "Operation 6" , Water Collector / catcher / drip tray etc. Some would argue that your Contract is with the Motorhome Dealer you bought it from, but in my experience, faster and more direct to go straight to the Base Vehicle dealer. Expect an argument 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaviation Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Quite right - The motorhome dealers are very poor when it comes to the base vehicle (not much better with their end) go straight to Fiat/Peugeot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 andy mccord - 2008-11-05 12:16 PM I have the same problem, Can someone tell me, do i need to contact fiat first or just turn up at a dealer to have this problem fixrd Regards Andy Not sure but feel the fix is differant for Fiat. I have the engine cover but not the water trap shown in pictures. Not sure what was done but have never had any water ingress. The only time I get any water in engine compartment is if it has been raining and I lift the bonnet a little drains out of air intake. I guess even this could be cured simply but it does not bother me and will do no harm. You will always get some water in an engine bay, it is by no means a sealed unit. You should at least get the cover fitted, this should be foc. I insisted my m/h dealer sorted it out before I collected the van and always take it to them, I refuse to run around to differant people to get items fixed, your contract is with them, insist they get things fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinfrier Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I have the Fiat version and don't think the centre catcher is the complete answer.When yoy park on a camber the water runs to the low end and overflows into the engine bay.I have fitted drain tubes at both ends of my scuttle and one in the freash air intake,also sealed around headlamps and removeable panel then fitted closed cell foam to the sides of the bonnet. I have no covers and the compartment stays 100% dry. Colin Frier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cole Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I carried out the same mods as colin frier but added and extra drain to the scuttle making an extra 4 as well as extending the edges of the headlight panels to provide a better seal for the bonnet seal Fitting what is effectively a bucket to collect the water under the bonnet is not the answer, surley if parked nose down it will overflow onto the engine. make sure that the channel at the edges of the windscreen where the scuttle meets is sealed as water will run down here over the components mounted beneath the scuttle. My engine bay like colins is 100% dry. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshague Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 geoff what did you use in the scuttle to connect up to the black pipethanks dsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I don't have an X250, but you could use a skin fitting as used on boats to connect up pipework that goes through the hull. Or a tank connector as used on domestic water tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinfrier Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 When I did mine I used a plastic pipe metal insert which has a small metal flange to it I then stuck into the larger hole I made with silicon then stuck the conveluted pipe to the insert again with silicon. Colin Frier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cole Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Hi, I used 20mm stainless steel plastic pipe inserts available from your local freindly plumbers merchant I fitted a washer on the back for support and glued them in place with Arraldite rapid glue works very well no leaks. Unless the scuttle is properly drained at both ends then water will enter the right hand wiper bearing and will eventually seize up I re-lubricated mine when carrying out the fix. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshague Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 thank you all .my van had all the water ingress jobs done when new in march ,guess what its leaking badly.contacted fiat customer service they said to take it back to fitting dealer,they have stopped trading .taken it to a new fiat dealer .were a new ingress work will be carried out.when this is done i will do all the other jobs .then let you no if they work.thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 All that Fiat / Peugeot seem to have done looks a bodge. They should have designed the scuttle properly in the first place - just like reverse gear etc. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSHORT Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Perhaps there is sufficient market for someone to produce a scuttle that works and outsource it through one of M/Home accessory suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanracer Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 With the engine cover fitted and the waste pipe and of course the scuttle fitted as it should the problem is solved of course you can add extra drains each side. What we need need now is the reverse problem sorted and when people post can the word Peugeot be added to Fiat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cole Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 The fixes offered by Fiat, Peugot Citreon are not the answer they have now gone from holding an umbrella up under a leaky roof to putting a buckey with a hole in it under the leak. The scuttle is a piece of appalling design in more ways than one. I have carried out a thorough investigation on the problem using my own vehicle, this has involved removing the scuttle completely in order to investigate why it is not hugging the windscreen tightly enough to prevent the water entering between it and the windscreen and testing the performance of the scuttle in various positions to establish the way in which the drainage works. I have modified mine and refitted it with other modifications in order to provide a 100% dry engine bay, this I have achieved. I did contact Fiat about my concerns regarding the future damage that will be done to components under the bonnet, as well as corrosion to the bulkhead and possible stress to the windscreen causing cracking. All Sevel based vehicles have this problem ;In offering my solution which I believe would be a very cost effective way of solving the problem they have so far not replied. I am working on the design of a new scuttle to replace the present one to be produced as a kit available for DIY or dealer fit. I have already invested a considerable amount of time to finding a complete solution to this problem and If I can get the kit produced at a reasonable cost for all x250 owners then then I will have achieved my goal. Unfortunately it is going to take time to get these kits developed and produced. Regards Geoff Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanracer Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/urbanracer/100_1008.jpg With these fitted and a drain at each side my engine is nice and dry and I have read of other people with their own fixes reporting dry engines and new vans come with the fixes in place. So I cannot see a big market in another solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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