hymer1942 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Good Morning all, bought myself a Honda Innova 125, now need a carrier all information would help. We are near Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopesy Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Glad you gave up on the honda 50 i think you'll find you made a wise choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 We had our towbar fitted at Towtal near Stoke. I believe they make racks as well. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I to have a Honda 125. We have a small van but it carries it fine with no overload on the rear axle. I decided on a carrier made by Watling Towbars which works well and is fairly light. You can find them at watling-towbars.co.uk. If you give them a call they may be able to give you a local, to you, towbar fitter who also supplies there racks. They did this for me and the company, Coastel Towbars at Rhyl did a good and fast job. They made up the tow bar and fitted rack in about five hours. I looked at various racks and did favour one that you could lower to the ground with a hydraulic pump but it stuck out the back to far and was very heavy. If you need any information please pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel B Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 As well as the rear axle weight of your 'van, make sure you check the loading on the towbar before you add any bike rack, some have a maximum weight limit that might be too low for your bike and rack. Just a thought .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecal Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hi Barrie, Good choice, 125 great little bike. You should get years of fun. there are a good few guys making racks. have a look in the back of the MMM but check the overhang and loading etc'first Regards, Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Very good point on rear overhang. Maximum permissible rear overhang is 60% of wheelbase, our Aouttrail with just a towbar is absolutely on this limit! Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Keithl - 2008-11-22 5:28 PM Very good point on rear overhang. Maximum permissible rear overhang is 60% of wheelbase, our Aouttrail with just a towbar is absolutely on this limit! Keith. I wonder if this is correct. The law states 'in a four wheel rigid the distance from centre of rear axle to rear of vehicle must not exceed 60% of wheelbase'. Does a rack on the rear count as the new rear of the vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 If that is the case, what is the maths for a two axled six wheels like my 650 S class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I've just been Googling this and not come up with any definitive answer so if anyone else can help then please reply. As I believe the rear overhang includes any towbar or fixed projection (such as a motorcycle rack). For a twin rear axled vehicle the best I have found is that the wheelbase is measured to and the rear overhang is measured from the mid point of the two rear axles. Can anyone else give a better answer please? Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 I think we are getting confused my Van is only 2 axles, but 6 wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithl Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Sorry Hymer, when you said 6 wheels I assumed you meant twin rear axle. In your case with twin rear wheels on one axle it's the same as for a single rear wheeled vehicle, ie the centre of the rear wheel. Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 Right Kieth, So you are saying I am allowed 60% of my wheelbase from the centre of my rear axle, thank you clear as a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert123 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Keithl - 2008-11-22 6:53 PM I've just been Googling this and not come up with any definitive answer so if anyone else can help then please reply. As I believe the rear overhang includes any towbar or fixed projection (such as a motorcycle rack). For a twin rear axled vehicle the best I have found is that the wheelbase is measured to and the rear overhang is measured from the mid point of the two rear axles. Can anyone else give a better answer please? Keith. This Keith is what I am not sure about. I to could not find any reference about an extension you may add. Loads of people carry these large fixed storage boxes on the back, lots carry four bikes and others like me scooters. To the rear of my scooter is certainly more than 60% but to the rear of the main vehicle it is not. I was aware of this from the start but choose to ignore it, I did ask a local traffic policeman I know and he did not have a clue, he just stressed do not overload the rear axle. I will telephone the DVLA next week but suspect they will not know either. It would be nice to know but I will still ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 This is an edited version what was published on P 230 Feb 2006 MMM. The wonderfully simple 60 per cent of wheelbase rule that used to cover vehicle overhang, under pressure of EC harmonisation has become rather, shall we say, elastic. Some years ago the UK Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 were amended to permit heavy motorcars (ULW exceeding 2540KG) that complied with Para 7.6.2 of Annex 1 of Community Directive 97/27 covering turning circle requirements to exceed the 60 per cent rule. ( This involves driving the vehicle around a 12.5 M diameter circle and monitoring what the tail does but can be proved by the makers by calculation.) The bit of string used to draw the circrle must of course be of an approved standard and a non smoker and have attended an awareness course). There is provision for the vehicle manufacturer to show compliance by calculation or scale drawing but goodness knows if an owner would be allowed to present such information. It is possible to legally build a vehicle with a rear overhang that is significantly longer than allowed under the old rule. As far as I am aware there have been no prosecutions in the UK Courts to establish precedent. Being practical, if the old rule is exceeded by a minimal amount the chances of anyone in authority taking an interest in your vehicle are very low. Even if they did, quoting the relevant regulations off the top of your head would most likely convince them not to get involved in researching a subject unlikely to result in a prosecution. In terms of vehicle dynamic behaviour overhang is 'a bad thing'. The nearer the corners the wheels are the more control they have over the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Here is one of the diagrams in the EU directive on overhang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 ITS REMARKABLE WHERE A SIMPLE THREAD VAN TAKE US. WELL I PICKED UP THE INNOVA TODAY, WELL PLEASED WITH IT, NOW JUST NEED TO GET A RACK, IM AFRAID ALL THIS DEBATE HAS GONE OVER MY HEAD NOW. THANKS ANYWAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymer1942 Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 After much serching and looking have had rack fitted and made by PARKINSON at Freckleton, not cheap at £550, but AM I impressed with it, not only does it look great in Galvanised steel and alloy but it is simple and yet solid, but the best bit is take out 2 pins and you just slide it off. Comes complete with number plate, lights, and 4 straps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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