sooty10 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Just filled up my gaslow in Burnley and was charged 41 pence a litre. I was told that this is the price for domestic use. I did not know of this and thought we all had to pay the price they charge in the garages. sooty10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Vat is charged at a different rate 15% at garages and those that understand i think the same as domestic gas etc 5%(When i say i think meening the rate of domestic, take a look at a domestid gas or lecy bill) Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandyAndy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi, we pay around 46p in our local domestic place , they sell gas in bottles and LPG , along with logs and coal and other fuels. In Morrisons it cost us just over 50p a couple of weeks ago. Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Madge Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 For those who live in the west country Countrywide LPG could save them money. A few friends who live in that direction use the system. http://www.countrywidefarmers.co.uk/pws/Content.ice?page=EnergyAutogas&pgForward=businesscontentbasic# Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Pump prices for Autogas still include an amount for Fuel Duty. It is perfectly legal to fill your cooking gas tank with non duty paid gas. The problem is finding an outlet. Those with domestic LPG powered heating systems and a big tank pay closer to 35P per litre when they are re-filled. Its cheaper than heating oil. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 A couple of weeks ago I joined the Countrywide Farmers Autogas scheme Don mentions. The LPG price per litre (EX-VAT) quoted on the acceptance letter sent to me was 41.8p. However, as I've yet to use the system I don't know what VAT-rate will be applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 That's pretty good Derek, I fitted a Gaslow system for a customer the other day and took him to my local gas supplier to fill it, 40 litres cost £18 which I make out to be 45p per litre. Gas supplier was Budget gas who are pretty much midlands based. This was at the domestic rate of 5% VAT. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbobwild Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi, The price of LPG makes the refillable systems very attractive. I have been building up and installing a Gaslow twin bottle system with changeover valve for a few weeks. Today, I went to buy the last item I needed - the filler hose kit. Before Xmas these were available at £ 58.00. There are now £ 75.00. In addition the 6Kg bottles have gone from around £ 90 to £ 120 and the 11Kg from aound £100 to £135! These repesent price hikes of between 25 to 35%. What's going on? Don't Gaslow know about this recession or does an almost monopoly situation mean that they can take the Michael out of their loyal customers? Bob Wild P.S. Anyone got a second hand filler kit they want to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Clive - 2009-01-31 6:01 PM Pump prices for Autogas still include an amount for Fuel Duty. It is perfectly legal to fill your cooking gas tank with non duty paid gas. The problem is finding an outlet. Those with domestic LPG powered heating systems and a big tank pay closer to 35P per litre when they are re-filled. Its cheaper than heating oil. C. Our heating oil was 31p/l last week, must remember to organise a fuel protest, it's much to cheap :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 zbobwild - 2009-01-31 8:29 PM Hi, The price of LPG makes the refillable systems very attractive. I have been building up and installing a Gaslow twin bottle system with changeover valve for a few weeks. Today, I went to buy the last item I needed - the filler hose kit. Before Xmas these were available at £ 58.00. There are now £ 75.00. In addition the 6Kg bottles have gone from around £ 90 to £ 120 and the 11Kg from aound £100 to £135! These repesent price hikes of between 25 to 35%. What's going on? Don't Gaslow know about this recession or does an almost monopoly situation mean that they can take the Michael out of their loyal customers? Bob Wild P.S. Anyone got a second hand filler kit they want to sell? Hi Bob, no Gaslow aren't taking the proverbial, well no more than any other equipment supplier. The reason for the price increases is simple, the pound is doing rather badly at the moment against almost every other currency going which makes importing goods costly (and almost everything you might want for your motorhome is imported). Many of our prices are about to go up because of this. We've done our best to limit price increases by cutting profit margins but there is a limit to how much businesses can absorb and stay liquid. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbobwild Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 davenewell@home - 2009-01-31 8:56 PM Hi Bob, no Gaslow aren't taking the proverbial, well no more than any other equipment supplier. The reason for the price increases is simple, the pound is doing rather badly at the moment against almost every other currency going which makes importing goods costly (and almost everything you might want for your motorhome is imported). Many of our prices are about to go up because of this. We've done our best to limit price increases by cutting profit margins but there is a limit to how much businesses can absorb and stay liquid. D. Hi Dave, Thanks for the reply a I take your point but??? Where does Gaslow stuff come from? No doubt we can't make stuff like this anymore. Are you a Gaslow dealer yourself? No problem with dealers making a reasonable profit. All the dealers seem to just apply the Gaslow RRP - no competition there. I still suggest that it is Gaslow being greedy. Is there any alternative to Gaslow for bottles, fittings etc. I do recall seeing another company at last years NEC show but I can't remember the name. Any ideas? Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Just fitted a 100 litre gas tank to our new MH. Its made by Stako in Poland. Quite a few outlets in the UK and also across Europe but pretty well all the tanks are made by Stako. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 zbobwild - 2009-01-31 10:16 PM davenewell@home - 2009-01-31 8:56 PM Hi Bob, no Gaslow aren't taking the proverbial, well no more than any other equipment supplier. The reason for the price increases is simple, the pound is doing rather badly at the moment against almost every other currency going which makes importing goods costly (and almost everything you might want for your motorhome is imported). Many of our prices are about to go up because of this. We've done our best to limit price increases by cutting profit margins but there is a limit to how much businesses can absorb and stay liquid. D. Hi Dave, Thanks for the reply a I take your point but??? Where does Gaslow stuff come from? No doubt we can't make stuff like this anymore. Are you a Gaslow dealer yourself? No problem with dealers making a reasonable profit. All the dealers seem to just apply the Gaslow RRP - no competition there. I still suggest that it is Gaslow being greedy. Is there any alternative to Gaslow for bottles, fittings etc. I do recall seeing another company at last years NEC show but I can't remember the name. Any ideas? Thanks Bob I'm guessing that was MTH who I believe have gone bust, as clive says there are alternatives, i.e. fitting fixed tank or staying with calor, so yes they do have competition with gas storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 zbobwild - 2009-01-31 10:16 PM davenewell@home - 2009-01-31 8:56 PM Hi Bob, no Gaslow aren't taking the proverbial, well no more than any other equipment supplier. The reason for the price increases is simple, the pound is doing rather badly at the moment against almost every other currency going which makes importing goods costly (and almost everything you might want for your motorhome is imported). Many of our prices are about to go up because of this. We've done our best to limit price increases by cutting profit margins but there is a limit to how much businesses can absorb and stay liquid. D. Hi Dave, Thanks for the reply a I take your point but??? Where does Gaslow stuff come from? No doubt we can't make stuff like this anymore. Are you a Gaslow dealer yourself? No problem with dealers making a reasonable profit. All the dealers seem to just apply the Gaslow RRP - no competition there. I still suggest that it is Gaslow being greedy. Is there any alternative to Gaslow for bottles, fittings etc. I do recall seeing another company at last years NEC show but I can't remember the name. Any ideas? Thanks Bob Hi Bob, yes we are now Gaslow dealers but there is a very tight profit margin on the kits for us. I used to fit the Stako made steel cylinders from MTH (also available from Autogas 2000 in Thirsk) but its become increasingly difficult to find them in the UK as most dealers have switched over to the Alugas cylinders. Underfloor bulk tanks from Stako are still readily available. The Alugas are lightweight but don't have a float gauge which was one of the advantages of the Stako cylinders. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Uzzell Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The Gaslow filler-kit is advertised for £60 on http://www.waudbys.co.uk/products/refillable_cylinders.html Richard Cecil (of MTH Autogas fame) once told me that Gaslow refillable cylinders were manufactured in Portugal. Don't know a) if that was correct or b) even if it was then, that it is now. It is possible to measure the gas-level accurately in Alugas cylinders - though not cheaply. See: http://www.vanmeenen.com/LPG-autogas-Vlaanderen/lpg-camper-motorhomes/alu/gas-level-indicators.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Derek Uzzell - 2009-02-01 9:10 AM The Gaslow filler-kit is advertised for £60 on http://www.waudbys.co.uk/products/refillable_cylinders.html Richard Cecil (of MTH Autogas fame) once told me that Gaslow refillable cylinders were manufactured in Portugal. Don't know a) if that was correct or b) even if it was then, that it is now. It is possible to measure the gas-level accurately in Alugas cylinders - though not cheaply. See: http://www.vanmeenen.com/LPG-autogas-Vlaanderen/lpg-camper-motorhomes/alu/gas-level-indicators.pdf Except that being held in place magnetically is difficult with aluminium cylinders :-S I suppose you can just hold the device in place. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenewellhome Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 "All the dealers seem to just apply the Gaslow RRP - no competition there." That is often the case with many products and the reason is simple, most suppliers who also sell direct to the public don't want to be undercut by people they are supplying so often ask their dealers to not undersell them. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbobwild Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Thanks for the comments Dave and others, It does explain a little about the cost of bits a pieces from dealers. I guess there isn't the commercial "free for all" we have got used to with domestic appliances. Still looks like we could do with a bit more competition out there from the suppliers and manufacturers. Also thanks, Derek, for pointing me in the direction of Audbies. Looking forward to using cheap LPG. (35-45p per l.) Have been paying around £16 for a small 6 Kgm. bottle of propane (Calor) lately,which seems to last only a week or two. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Derek Uzzell - 2009-01-31 6:31 PM A couple of weeks ago I joined the Countrywide Farmers Autogas scheme Don mentions. The LPG price per litre (EX-VAT) quoted on the acceptance letter sent to me was 41.8p. However, as I've yet to use the system I don't know what VAT-rate will be applied. As long as you told Countrywide it is for motorhome use in cooking and heating it will be 5% If you did not tell them they will assume it is for engine use and charge the same as supermarkets at 15%. Check your first bill and if it is incorrect, tell them and they will issue a credit and adjust your account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Have a look at www.go-autogas.com prices on there seem to be 37-39p. Porky well fed and happy with my gaslow system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred grant Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 davenewell@home - 2009-02-01 9:30 AM "All the dealers seem to just apply the Gaslow RRP - no competition there." That is often the case with many products and the reason is simple, most suppliers who also sell direct to the public don't want to be undercut by people they are supplying so often ask their dealers to not undersell them. D. thats called price fixing D me ansum, and is illegal. fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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