Guest peter Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Copper slip is an anti seize compound. It's quite thick as it contains a high level of pure Copper in a grease base. It's mostly used in areas of high temperature and fitters use it on the rear of brake pads to stop them squealing. Duck oil is similar to WD40 and is a moisture repellent and is not meant to be used as a lubricant. If you want lubrication you would be better off using 3in1 oil in an aerosole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROON Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 As a temporary measure until you get whatever extra bolts you decide on fitted, I use a bungee from the habitation door handle round to a kitchen door handle. Also two bungees linked together from one cab door to the other cab door for when I am in bed. They don't obviously stop the doors being opened but make them jolt back and hopefully will either make enough noise to wake me up or make the sods think twice and go elsewhere. (As point of interest, I also use a bungee to hold the bathroom door open - it is at the rear of my vehicle - when I am driving, as this means I can use my internal mirror to look out of the back window.) Joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROON Posted March 8, 2009 Share Posted March 8, 2009 As a temporary measure until you get whatever extra bolts you decide on fitted, I use a bungee from the habitation door handle round to a kitchen door handle. Also two bungees linked together from one cab door to the other cab door for when I am in bed. They don't obviously stop the doors being opened but make them jolt back and hopefully will either make enough noise to wake me up or make the sods think twice and go elsewhere. (As point of interest, I also use a bungee to hold the bathroom door open - it is at the rear of my vehicle - when I am driving, as this means I can use my internal mirror to look out of the back window.) Joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaleg Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I had a problem with my fiammia lock (bar type) from new, spayed it liberaly with silicon spray nearly two years ago, and it still works fine. (probbaly won't tomorow) Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losos Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Patricia - 2009-03-06 4:01 PM what is "copper slip" (thanks for replying Mondo)? Is Duck oil the same? One thing to note about 'CopperSlip' grease is that it's a hell of a job to get it off clothes so if you use it Patricia put some old jeans on 'cos you won't want to go out in anything with 'CopperSlip' on it lolAlso, on the subject of 'duck oil' be aware that over time it dries to a very hard browny colour 'gunge' which subsequently is very hard to remove. Personally I only use it on garden tools (Spades etc.) over winter never on anything mechanical, 3 in 1 or WD40 are far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikyenfo Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I do like the Fiamma lock but the drawback is the leverage that can be applied to break the lock or the ticky-tacky side of the MH.The solution is to fit the door mounted lock/clamp to further secure the handle . This makes it an entirely different animal altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry1956 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 copper slip is tops for this type of work, a little tube lasts for year. I still have a tub that I got when I was 17 years old and even after using on countless classic motorbike and car rebuilds its still remains 1/3 full. do the job once and do it well. michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daiboy Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Hi all my first post on this forum but thought I may help someone out. I have a 6 year old Motorhome that had a Milenco security handrail habitation door lock fitted when I bought it a year ago. I assume it must therefore be a few years old. A few times it seemed to judder and stick for a second or two when opening or closing it. However when touring Scotland last week it stuck well and truly in the closed/locked position, it wouldn't have been too much of a problem except I'd also fitted dead locks to my cab front doors. I was stumped but managed to get into the van through the roof light without too much damage. After removing the handrail from the inside by removing the 8 screws I noticed that water had been getting inside the handle and this had caused the springs to rust and eventually break. Hence the problem. I've contacted Milenco through their website so I'll let you know the outcome. The unit is very simple so that's a good thing and easy to replace the internal workings and lock barrels. (as mentioned in an earlier post) I would recommend that if your starts to stick, remove the 8 screws from the inside and liberally oil or spray the internal workings with white spray grease. It's any easy job and will only take 30 minutes all told. If you want photos let me know and I'll take some and attempt to post them . It could save you a lot of trouble at a later date. Ps make sure you close the estucheon (key cover I think that's how you spell it) to prevent water getting in in the first place. Daiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Bob Elswood - 2009-03-02 6:31 PM I've got no habitation security whatsoever. Just a Dobermann who accompanies us whenever we are on our travels !!! Still doesn't come cheap though !!! Never had a problem yet !! Best Wishes , Bob I agree, we have two Labrador bitches, one snores louder than we do, but the other wakes at the slightest noise and 'sounds' vicious but is in fact is a pussycat. We have 2 Fiamma cab dead locks (set low down and unreachable from the windows), a Fiamma 46 lockable assist handle, only for use when the van is empty. 2 Fiamma outside locks over the garage locks/doors. That just leaves the windows......but they are plastic and no lock would stop anyone still just jemmying them open. So, the Dogs are the best deterrent, especially when WE are in the van too. A water pistol filled with chlorine bleach would make a good 'non lethal' 'squirt them in the eyes' deterrent. As firearms are only reserved for the crooks in this country. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 milenco window alarms...work a treat http://www.milenco.com/products/sleep-safe-alarms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbtaylor Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Gas Alarm? Any recommendations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 crbtaylor - 2013-07-12 5:44 PM Gas Alarm? Any recommendations Alarm for what gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Brian Kirby - 2013-07-12 6:07 PM crbtaylor - 2013-07-12 5:44 PM Gas Alarm? Any recommendations Alarm for what gas? OMG GAS!!!! We are all going to be MURDERED in our beds!!!! (not) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbtaylor Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The type of gas that would be t leafs use to put you to sleep, think there called Narcotic Gases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 crbtaylor - 2013-07-12 7:17 PM The type of gas that would be t leafs use to put you to sleep, think there called Narcotic Gases But they don't ever actually use gas, because they can't. It isn't available outside of very specialist suppliers. The amounts they'd have to use to fill a volume the size of a motorhome would take big tanks of it; they'd have to use big noisy pumps, pipes, gas masks. We're talking many thousands of pounds worth of highly specialised equipment. Any such dosage, if the victims were left breathing it in a motorhome pumped full of enough of it to knock them out in the first place, would be fatal. No thieves have ever, I repeat ever, been caught with any such type of massive and specialist scientific equipment in their possession...nor gas masks..........not in their cars, not in house searches. I think what people might need is Myth-gas protection. It's a form of security easily obtained, simply obtained by reading up on the science involved, rather than believing Fred's mothers cousin who heard about it in a pub from the guy down the road who once read about it somewhere in 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave225 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I think there should be some clarification as to the reasons such security is felt desirable. For example are we talking about being pitched on a secure campsite, or an aire which may be open to public access. Are we talking wild camping here? Now theft can occur virtually anywhere, even when parked on your home driveway but I would suggest that it is less likely if parked on a secure campsite. As for being gassed in your beds I would like to actually see the hard and fast evidence to support these claims, frankly it all seems a lot of scare mongering. Now if you do buy an expensive motorhome and decide to park up away from other campers on a remote beach for example then you are possibly putting yourself at greater risk then using a campsite. You, to my mind will be a potentially attractive target for anyone up to no good, even on an offchance situation. Now it is possible people are discussing the motorhome being broken into while they are not at home, and that is more likely, even in supermarket carparks. But as for being gassed in your sleep, I am very sceptical. Bluntly if anyone wishes to break into a motorhome then it is not too difficult. Yes the cab door may have deadlocks but the habitation windows do not and a thief will even put a kid onto the roof to open the large skylight. All I am suggesting is get real. If you feel the CC and C&CC sites are a risk to your safety then possibly motorhoming is not for you. As for overseas in 40 years I have yet to see anything really worrying. if your idea is wild camping, then there are risks regardless and that is what you have to consider. As someone could say save a penny, lose a pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 crbtaylor - 2013-07-12 6:17 PM The type of gas that would be t leafs use to put you to sleep, think there called Narcotic Gases Broadly, I agree with Bruce. I don't think there are, in truth, any instances where narcotic gases have been used to anaesthetise unsuspecting motorhomers and rob them. There are what appear to be a lot of stories but, when investigated, many seem to be no more than re-workings of a handful of original stories, and of the originals I have seen, none were convincing. My personal view is that "some kind of gas" has been used as an excuse for carelessness (failure to secure their doors/windows), drunkeness, or simply as cover for folk who had stopped in silly places. Have a look at the first post on this 2006 string on the subject: http://tinyurl.com/pfrb9qv Depending on your use of your van, a carbon monoxide alarm may be a worthwhile addition, and any normal domestic CO alarm would do. Otherwise, I don't think the risk justifies the outlay, even if they sold for 5p each! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daiboy Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Daiboy - 2013-07-09 3:56 PM Hi all my first post on this forum but thought I may help someone out. I have a 6 year old Motorhome that had a Milenco security handrail habitation door lock fitted when I bought it a year ago. I assume it must therefore be a few years old. A few times it seemed to judder and stick for a second or two when opening or closing it. However when touring Scotland last week it stuck well and truly in the closed/locked position, it wouldn't have been too much of a problem except I'd also fitted dead locks to my cab front doors. I was stumped but managed to get into the van through the roof light without too much damage. After removing the handrail from the inside by removing the 8 screws I noticed that water had been getting inside the handle and this had caused the springs to rust and eventually break. Hence the problem. I've contacted Milenco through their website so I'll let you know the outcome. The unit is very simple so that's a good thing and easy to replace the internal workings and lock barrels. (as mentioned in an earlier post) I would recommend that if your starts to stick, remove the 8 screws from the inside and liberally oil or spray the internal workings with white spray grease. It's any easy job and will only take 30 minutes all told. If you want photos let me know and I'll take some and attempt to post them . It could save you a lot of trouble at a later date. Ps make sure you close the estucheon (key cover I think that's how you spell it) to prevent water getting in in the first place. Daiboy This thread seems to have wandered to the reasons for security in the first place and the alleged use of anaesthetic gas to rob us in our sleep. I posted hoping to save someone getting locked out of their Motorhome if their Security Handrail seized. I promised you an update in my original post so here goes; Milenco sent me by return of post (first class) a pair of springs to repair my handrail, even though I explained in my email the handrail was probably about 6 years old. Excellent service. The handrail was fitted when I bought my vehicle and I believe that visible security deters the opportunist thief and with a little luck they'll move on to easier targets. I agree if someone wants to get in they will, but at least if they get in through the roof or windows of my van they'll have to get out the same way. If you don't have any visible security best not park next to mine. LOL Daiboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JudgeMental Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Surely you have learnt that all these type of locks do is advertise that the van is unoccupied!lol plus the reliability as you have discovered and chance of being locked out significant.....all a thief will think is...hello hello hello, no one in, and just pop a window and climb in for heavens sake. If they climb into my van they will find no valuables as all locked away in safe, if they force a window, alarm sounds, and with vehicle alarm blaring unlikely they will have the time to defeat that....so enough security i suspect to defeat amateurs ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Can only agree with Eddie, external locks may act as a visula deterrent, but also have the disadvantage of saying no one home, but I do have to ask where exactly do all you folk stop, the Bronx. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pelmetman Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 We have a carbon monoxide alarm which seems sensible with a gas fire and geyser type water heater ;-).................... On isolated aires we use a strap between the two front doors.............and when the van is left alone, homemade pedal clamps with hefty padlocks B-).....................plus being an old camper they'd probably think we're to poor to rob anyway :D..................we hope :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1footinthegrave Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 My guess is the scrap value would be far more than a modern van. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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