Shaun Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Stewart, I've taken another look and there are definitely the requisite 3 bolts on that offside mount. Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshague Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 any one got fiat customer relations email address please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsgofar Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Email address as follows (customerrelations@fiat.com) Hope this helps Regards Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshague Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 thank you for email address Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Someone was talking to a wench instead of torqing witha wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Collings Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Someone was talking to a wench instead of torqing witha wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Or walking with a stench. Or stalking with a wench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thanks George,Thanks George ! Tonto, he think Fiat torque with forked tongue.(can't have been a socket !) Looking on the bright side there seems to more Converters building on Chassis's other than Sevel one's, Whoopee ! some choice at last. :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted August 6, 2009 Author Share Posted August 6, 2009 Just got back from our epic trip right round Britains coastline (not quite finished but the footie season kicks off on Saturday) and put another 5000 miles on the van since the modifications have been done. There are still some issues with the gearbox (whining in second gear under load) and we weren't really put in any desperate gearbox/clutch wrecking reversing sitituations, but in normal use the reversing is much improved. But it still isn't perfect, and I'm stil not covinced the at the clutch damper device is there for any good reason except to cover for a change in clutch lining material which will not have a long life. But w ejust don't know as I presume Fiat haven't released any good hard technical information in the last couple of months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 I have just received a letter from Fiat stating that Fiat has completed testing on the 3litre model and engine and the testing found no fault. This is in response to my letter asking them to do the same modifications as they did to Mr John Denton's vehicle as stated in the MMM August issue. Has anyone else had a problem with the 3litre model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSHORT Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dean - 2009-08-07 7:20 PM I have just received a letter from Fiat stating that Fiat has completed testing on the 3litre model and engine and the testing found no fault. This is in response to my letter asking them to do the same modifications as they did to Mr John Denton's vehicle as stated in the MMM August issue. Has anyone else had a problem with the 3litre model? Sure have, Fiat knew mine is a 3litre but told the local garage it was a 2.3litre. This only came to light when I was arranging dates with the garage. Fiat subsequently told me on the phone yes mine was registered with them as a 3lite and it was their mistake. However, it was now the end of the line for my complaint as they do not acknowledge any problem with the 3litre. Therefore no fix is forthcoming. I have not had this in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayjsj Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 PSHORT - 2009-08-09 9:29 AM Dean - 2009-08-07 7:20 PM I have just received a letter from Fiat stating that Fiat has completed testing on the 3litre model and engine and the testing found no fault. This is in response to my letter asking them to do the same modifications as they did to Mr John Denton's vehicle as stated in the MMM August issue. Has anyone else had a problem with the 3litre model? Sure have, Fiat knew mine is a 3litre but told the local garage it was a 2.3litre. This only came to light when I was arranging dates with the garage. Fiat subsequently told me on the phone yes mine was registered with them as a 3lite and it was their mistake. However, it was now the end of the line for my complaint as they do not acknowledge any problem with the 3litre. Therefore no fix is forthcoming. I have not had this in writing. Paul, Does your 3litre judder in reverse Though ? and why does Fiat think there are no problems ? do they think that the higher torque of the 3litre will 'calm the judder down' ?? probably, but at the expense of the clutch and flywheel asm. Why don't they just fit a lower reverse ratio (lower than first gear)? And why doesn't it affect the robotised 'auto' box ?? Sounds simple, doesn't it ? I suspect that it isn't though. A technical designer somewhere in the depth's of Fiat made a BIG boo-boo. *-) *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyStothert Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 Obviously (because we have been travelling mostly) I haven't really been digging for information about this Fiat cock-up (on behalf of both themselves and Peugeot) but the last couple of days have brought some conflicting information. Firstly Fiat have started writing to the owners of 2.2 litre 5 speed models and informing them not to worry about the transmission as (like the 3 litre versions) there is absolutey nothing wrong with them and the complaining owners are just a bunch of eejits. Like the 2.3 litre owners were - until they admitted that perhaps things weren't quite right and started fitting a lower ratio reverse gear. After all that aggro and deceipt of course. However Peugeot have told owners of the 5 speed model that yes they acknowledge that it has a a too-high reverse gear ratio and are still working on a proper solution. The Fiat and Peugeot vans are exactly the same, so who is telling porkies? On the same subject (the 2.2 litre 5 speed vans) an owner of a Peugeot had the clutch fail whilst reversing up a hill in Italy last month and Peugeot have insisted that the owner pays the repair costs, because at 17,000 miles this could have been just normal wear and tear. It took nearly three weeks for them to find a replacement clutch, and the owners had to fly home, then return to Italy when it was fixed. Expense and a load of hassle thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSHORT Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 In reply to Rayjsj's question; yes it does judder when reversing on the flat, never had the courage to try a steep hill as I have had badly smoking clutch doing a , to be fair, a tight 3 point turn on 2 occasions. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Videomaster Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I have the 3 litre engine and while on holiday in France 2 weeks ago, we were face with 3 hill reverses!! I dreaded it....but not a hint of a judder. Also, to ensure my van was registered with Fiat, in case there was a judder, I did complain of a judder. They rang me up to say there was no issue with the 3 litre....so not having experienced the problem I was cool. Now though, they have sent my local garage new engine mountings....so it is booked in to have them replaced soon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSHORT Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 VIDEOMASTER I wonder if Fiat think you too have a 2.3 and not a 3litre as they did with me. Might be worth checking with the garage as in my case I had a call from the garage saying my bits and pieces were in but of course for a 2.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I was talking to my friendly Fiat main agent last week and he volunteered the info' that the 3 Ltr models have a problem with the final drive (diff') and were fixing loads on recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Does anybody have the part numbers for the replacement engine mounts for the 2.3 please. I've got a sneaking suspicion that mine haven't been changed, as the part numbers on them don't look new. Plus the job was quoted at 2 Hrs and from looking at the location of them, that timing just doesn't look possible. Is the whole mount changed or just the Aluminium part that's attached to the engine?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itexuk Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 New engine mount No's left as you look at engine F1A 1363376080 and right F1A 1363378080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 peter - 2009-08-09 9:57 PM Does anybody have the part numbers for the replacement engine mounts for the 2.3 please. I've got a sneaking suspicion that mine haven't been changed, as the part numbers on them don't look new. Plus the job was quoted at 2 Hrs and from looking at the location of them, that timing just doesn't look possible. Is the whole mount changed or just the Aluminium part that's attached to the engine?. Peter, Have a look also at the photos I posted on the 2nd and 3rd of August. If you can ignore the missing bolts, you can see what they look like and the number on the offside one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Videomaster Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 P Short Looks like you were right, the garage cancelled.....seems they were looking at my van as a 2.3L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSHORT Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 VIDEOMASTER Sorry to hear that, my cancellation was followed with a telephone call to Fiat where I was told 3litre has no problems and thus I could not expect any recall action at all P.SHORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Thanks for the part numbers guys. But I'm still not convinced that my mountings have been changed even tho' my numbers correspond with the"New" Pt Nos. Because before the alleged change I noticed that one of them had a mark on it where it had gotten wet at some time and it's still there MMmmmm!. Could someone who hasn't had the mounts changed yet let me have the numbers off their mountings please, so I can confirm or dispell my suspicions. As I still cannot see how all 3 mountings can be changed in 2 Hrs. I hope I'm wrong, but I am begining to sense a nasty smell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinC Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hi Peter Although I have had the mountings changed I still have the old ones in a box in the garage! Just been to have a look. Referring to the pictures posted by Stewart : Engine Mount 1 is A236 053 8F Engine Mount 2 is F1A 1343241080 There is a third mount which has no number! Hope that helps. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Thanks for that Colin. It would appear that my fears were unfounded. But I still cannot see how they can be changed in 2 Hrs as one is buried under loads of stuff in the engine bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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